[Bookstoprisoners] Re: BooksToPrisoners Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4
Jay Schubert
jay.schubert at gmail.com
Mon Jun 4 15:40:34 CDT 2007
I'm with April on this. My thoughts exactly.
- Jay
On 6/4/07, adiaz25 at uiuc.edu <adiaz25 at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> Well, I'm concerned about who from the current key staff would get access
> to the new keys. I know that I, for one, rather enjoy coming in to work in
> the midde of the night, and I'm a little worried that if only very few
> people got the new keys that I wouldn't be able to make it in nearly so
> much. I think that's my only concern, but regardless of that, I personally
> don't see a point to changing the locks.
>
> April
>
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> > 1. Key policy feedback for Thursday's Steering Meeting?
> > (wmullins at insightbb.com)
> > 2. Repost of 5-29-07 Steering notes (wmullins at insightbb.com)
> > 3. Re: Key policy feedback for Thursday's Steering Meeting?
> > (Niloofar Shambayati)
> > 4. Re: Key policy feedback for Thursday'sSteering Meeting?
> > (Sand and Sea Sells Used Books Etc.)
> >
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:13:24 -0500
> >From: wmullins at insightbb.com
> >Subject: [Bookstoprisoners] Key policy feedback for Thursday's
> > Steering Meeting?
> >To: bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net
> >Message-ID: <f5e0f36b3be87.466320e4 at insightbb.com>
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> >Hello all,
> >
> >Do we have a consensus about how Books To Prisoners feels about the new
> key policy being proposed by the IMC Steering Committee? Are we fine with
> the plan to rekey both basement doors and the stairwell doors, and find some
> mechanism to make sure our volunteers get into the basement with minimal
> hassle during our work sessions?
> >
> >I've heard some skepticism from a few keystaff volunteers, but nobody
> except Sandra has given a definite yay or nay to the proposal. Is anybody
> else showing up Thursday night to discuss their concerns? Does anybody have
> a particular concern or objection or counter-proposal that they want me to
> add to the discussion at the upcoming Steering meeting?
> >
> >The meeting is 8pm this Thursday on the main floor and should be lively.
> >
> >As the B2P list was broken or something last week and I could only post
> to the keystaff list, I'll repost my last Steering notes here.
> >
> >Bill
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> >Message: 2
> >Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:17:41 -0500
> >From: wmullins at insightbb.com
> >Subject: [Bookstoprisoners] Repost of 5-29-07 Steering notes
> >To: BooksToPrisoners <BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net>
> >Message-ID: <f622a6283ae58.466321e5 at insightbb.com>
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> >----- Original Message -----
> >>From <wmullins at insightbb.com>
> >Date Tue, 29 May 2007 22:13:07 -0500
> >To btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
> >Subject Notes from Steering Meeting on Security Issues 5-29-07
> >
> >Hello all,
> >
> >An unscheduled Steering Meeting was called Tuesday night to address
> issues of security in the IMC building, especially the recurrence of
> unlocked basement doors (including overnight), people sleeping in the Family
> Room, and generally unsafe conditions--particularly in the
> basement--resulting from lax security related to the #4 key.
> >
> >A proposal has been made to re-key both the north and south basement
> entrances and both of the stairwells leading to the basement. The main IMC
> entrance and individual doors currently opened by the #4 key (e.g., the
> B2P room) will remain as they are. Access to the basement, however, will
> require a new key. Additionally, the new basement locks would be such that
> they lock themselves upon closing and cannot be left unlocked.
> >
> >Under the proposal, possession of keys to the new locks will be more
> strictly monitored than the #4 key has been, and new keys will be issued
> only to a limited number of designated working group members. The specifics
> of how many new keys for each working group and how we decide who will get
> them is still under discussion.
> >
> > It was proposed that Mike Lehman be in charge of distributing new keys,
> possibly delegating additional key distribution responsibilies to Chris
> Evans.
> >
> >As I understand the proposal, [Chris please correct or clarify this if I
> have it wrong], the general idea on the table is that Books To Prisoners and
> other groups housed in the basement would designate a new group of keystaff
> people to have the new keys, and that these members would be the only ones
> able to access the basement (or to let others in). To get a key, there will
> be some as-yet-unspecified process to make sure that key recipients are
> authorized by the working group to have a key, that they understand the need
> to maintain locked doors, security protocol et cetera, and in general can be
> accountable for not leaving the building open to hangers-on wandering in and
> out.
> >
> >This proposal possibly means that fewer B2P keystaff will have keys, and
> it possibly means that those who do have keys would need to commit to being
> around to run the B2P space more regularly. (Again, the number of keys
> handed out and the guidelines for who gets them is still open to
> discussion.)
> >
> >We need to discuss how this affects us. Under this proposal, we'd need
> to do a better job of designating keystaff for each of our working sessions,
> particularly Saturdays, and we would need to figure out who else would have
> a key and perhaps be "on call" to let others into the basement outside of
> our scheduled working session hours, e.g., to drop off book donations. We
> would also probably have to communicate with volunteers that they come to
> the south entrance and ring the doorbell to be let into the basement, or
> come at a particular time to get in, as the entrance on Elm Street and the
> stairwell will be permanently locked.
> >
> >As this might change the way Books To Prisoners works--especially for
> those of us who like to come in at times other than regularly scheduled work
> sessions--I think we should have a discussion of it before our June 9th
> meeting, and that anybody who has a strong opinion on this should consider
> attending the June 7th Steering Meeting, 8pm, where I expect the new key
> proposal to be the main item on the agenda. I will be there June 7th, but I
> do not feel qualified to speak for the whole group on this. Anybody who
> wants to offer a counter-proposal or who wants to be involved in setting up
> the details of a new IMC key policy should attend if possible.
> >
> >Bill Mullins
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> >Message: 3
> >Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:40:29 -0500
> >From: "Niloofar Shambayati" <Nilu at insightbb.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Bookstoprisoners] Key policy feedback for Thursday's
> > Steering Meeting?
> >To: <bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net>
> >Message-ID: <001d01c7a65a$18f33d10$6701a8c0 at SalehiFamily>
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> >
> >1.Changing the locks and giving out new keys is not a major issue, except
> that it might prove to be
> > both costly and ineffective.
> > 2.My concern is about not to have access to enough keys for our current
> and future key staff.
> > 3. Automatic locks impede our work since we would have to rush to the
> door each time a volunteer rings
> > the bell.
> > 4. Limiting access to the basement through only one entrance might
> confuse/discourage
> > new volunteers.
> > 5. IMC can keep a list of all key-holders and have us all take an oath.
> >
> >It would be good to hear from everyone to be able to speak with one
> voice. Jane, Bob, April, Jamie, Noah et al.?
> >
> >Niloofar
> >----- Original Message -----
> > From: wmullins at insightbb.com
> > To: bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:13 PM
> > Subject: [Bookstoprisoners] Key policy feedback for Thursday's Steering
> Meeting?
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Do we have a consensus about how Books To Prisoners feels about the new
> key policy being proposed by the IMC Steering Committee? Are we fine with
> the plan to rekey both basement doors and the stairwell doors, and find some
> mechanism to make sure our volunteers get into the basement with minimal
> hassle during our work sessions?
> >
> > I've heard some skepticism from a few keystaff volunteers, but nobody
> except Sandra has given a definite yay or nay to the proposal. Is anybody
> else showing up Thursday night to discuss their concerns? Does anybody have
> a particular concern or objection or counter-proposal that they want me to
> add to the discussion at the upcoming Steering meeting?
> >
> > The meeting is 8pm this Thursday on the main floor and should be
> lively.
> >
> > As the B2P list was broken or something last week and I could only post
> to the keystaff list, I'll repost my last Steering notes here.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >Message: 4
> >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:11:31 -0500
> >From: "Sand and Sea Sells Used Books Etc." <sandncsells at ameritech.net>
> >Subject: Re: [Bookstoprisoners] Key policy feedback for
> > Thursday'sSteering Meeting?
> >To: "BTP Keystaff" <btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>,
> > <bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net>, "Niloofar Shambayati"
> > <Nilu at insightbb.com>
> >Message-ID: <002401c7a6b2$40ace290$cc02c74c at LAPTOP>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >See my additions in red to Niloofar's points.
> >Deb Sanderson
> >Owner/Buyer
> >Sand and Sea Sells Used Books Etc.
> >www.sandncsells.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Niloofar Shambayati
> > To: bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Bookstoprisoners] Key policy feedback for
> Thursday'sSteering Meeting?
> >
> >
> > 1.Changing the locks and giving out new keys is not a major issue,
> except that it might prove to be
> > both costly and ineffective. More door bells would also need to be
> installed at all doors other than the back basement door.
> > 2.My concern is about not to have access to enough keys for our
> current and future key staff and especially those keystaff that work the
> jails and need access to the basement and library during NON work session
> times. We also need all our current (and could use more) keystaff to keep
> flexibility for staffing work sessions. Less key access means more hours
> that will need to be worked by each keystaff. Rather than once or twice a
> month they will need to volunteer that on a weekly basis. This puts too
> much time demand on our dedicated volunteer keystaff.
> > 3. Automatic locks impede our work since we would have to rush to the
> door each time a volunteer rings
> > the bell. Unless a buzzer system is installed to "buzz" people in
> using an intercom system similar to those used in apartment
> buildings.These would have to be on EVERY door. This also would cover #4
> below.
> > 4. Limiting access to the basement through only one entrance might
> confuse/discourage
> > new volunteers.
> > 5. IMC can keep a list of all key-holders and have us all take an
> oath. We could also initiate a sign in process upstairs and down with
> sign-in/sign-out times and dates. This would help with accountability
> issues.
> >
> > It would be good to hear from everyone to be able to speak with one
> voice. Jane, Bob, April, Jamie, Noah et al.?
> >
> > PAY Chris or whoever a few more hours per week to make sure that the
> building is locked and empty (or at least tennants only) each night at a
> specified time...say 10:30pm with the flexability to change that time for
> special events, and unlocked at 8am and again checked for
> "sleepers"? Essentially the building would be CLOSED during that time and
> open for all during the day and evening hours.
> >
> > Security systems could also be installed in the building that use codes
> or magnetic keys for entrance that record name and time of entrance. Instead
> of keys, individual and/or group codes are set in the system.
> >
> > The back door (south) is still not closing tightly each time it is
> shut. Sometimes it sticks and doesn't latch when you let it automatically
> close rather than pushing/pulling it closed. This needs to be fixed again (I
> know Bob worked on it not too long ago and that worked for a while). I found
> it that way twice last week.
> >
> > Niloofar
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: wmullins at insightbb.com
> > To: bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:13 PM
> > Subject: [Bookstoprisoners] Key policy feedback for Thursday's
> Steering Meeting?
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Do we have a consensus about how Books To Prisoners feels about the
> new key policy being proposed by the IMC Steering Committee? Are we fine
> with the plan to rekey both basement doors and the stairwell doors, and find
> some mechanism to make sure our volunteers get into the basement with
> minimal hassle during our work sessions?
> >
> > I've heard some skepticism from a few keystaff volunteers, but nobody
> except Sandra has given a definite yay or nay to the proposal. Is anybody
> else showing up Thursday night to discuss their concerns? Does anybody have
> a particular concern or objection or counter-proposal that they want me to
> add to the discussion at the upcoming Steering meeting?
> >
> > The meeting is 8pm this Thursday on the main floor and should be
> lively.
> >
> > As the B2P list was broken or something last week and I could only
> post to the keystaff list, I'll repost my last Steering notes here.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
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