<div dir="ltr">I agree 100% that there is a demonization of these efforts and it spans all emergent technologies that are posing challenges to centralized modes of governance and production. This is why I am working from the angle of emergency response- if we can get mesh networks out there that literally save lives when big telcos and governments fail, then it will serve as effective public diplomacy. This is why, among many reasons, I love the Red Hook project. <div>
<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Dan Staples <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danstaples@opentechinstitute.org" target="_blank">danstaples@opentechinstitute.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Maybe something like this?<br>
<a href="http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/a-diy-tor-wifi-access-point" target="_blank">http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/a-diy-tor-wifi-access-point</a><br>
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On 11/15/2013 06:03 PM, Anderson Walworth wrote:<br>
> And when Obama hits the internet switch.. "Drat..it won't work on<br>
> Commotion.... deploy the EMP drones!" jk<br>
><br>
> I second the VPN but it isn't usually easy to set up maybe there is an<br>
> alternative software.<br>
><br>
> We need a free open source 100% secure proxy/gateway we can set all of<br>
> the routers to that connect to the internet. Anyone have one?<br>
><br>
> Anderson<br>
><br>
><br>
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Ben West <<a href="mailto:ben@gowasabi.net">ben@gowasabi.net</a><br>
</div><div class="im">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ben@gowasabi.net">ben@gowasabi.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Here is the Mother Jones article being mentioned. First time I saw it.<br>
> <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/mesh-internet-privacy-nsa-isp" target="_blank">http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/mesh-internet-privacy-nsa-isp</a><br>
><br>
> An obvious weakness to this premise of using neighhorhood-wide mesh<br>
> networks to preserve privacy is that the underlying reliance on<br>
</div>> /wireless/ makes the task of eavesdropping just that much easier. I<br>
<div class="im">> believe this is what Julian Priest was explicitly warning about<br>
> during his surprise talk at the Berlin summit last month.<br>
><br>
> Plus, very few community meshes that provide Internet access are not<br>
> able to do much more than the "last mile," meaning they still rely<br>
> on conventional telcos in one form or another for their uplinks,<br>
> just at somewhat higher levels than individuals.<br>
><br>
> Better integration of VPN layers could indeed help reduce the<br>
> vulnerability to eavesdropping, although that would very likely<br>
> incur unappealing performance penalties. However, there is still<br>
> the fact you're actively broadcasting all your data, for any<br>
> adequately equipped parties (whether you want them to be or not) to<br>
> listen in. This isn't unique, we already do this compulsively with<br>
> mobile phones.<br>
><br>
> I would hope that this current trend of framing community mesh<br>
> networks as tools again surveillance doesn't eclipse the parallel<br>
> motivation of also building such meshes for economic reasons. And<br>
> likewise that it doesn't distract from the deployment of adhoc<br>
> meshes during emergencies.<br>
><br>
><br>
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Anthony Townsend <<a href="mailto:amt3@nyu.edu">amt3@nyu.edu</a><br>
</div><div class="im">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:amt3@nyu.edu">amt3@nyu.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> i agree - great this is being seen as a movement.<br>
><br>
> is anyone else disturbed by the trend towards painting this as a<br>
> potential threat to national security? you are all a bunch of<br>
> renegades trying to hide from the NSA?<br>
><br>
> whether that’s true or not, its an incredibly sensational angle<br>
> and creates the potential for serious backlash. when i read both<br>
> of these articles in my mind i immediately saw Verizon lobbyists<br>
> descending on Trenton with re-prints and legislation blocking<br>
> mesh networks attached.<br>
><br>
> maybe I’m paranoid but this reminds me very much of the days<br>
> when NYCwireless were being called “wireless pirates” even<br>
> though we weren’t doing anything illegal. then Philly, then all<br>
> the steakhouse bans on muni.<br>
><br>
> maybe this is not the place for it, but just wanted to raise a<br>
> counterpoint to all the high-5ing<br>
><br>
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