<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Nicolas,<br><br></div><div>5GHz products with the firmware locks actually started appearing last year. It's been in the past few months where some 2.4GHz products now have locks. I.e. not just UBNT.<br></div><div><br></div>My guess about Ubiquiti M2 products is that the firmware locks possibly aren't there yet for all products sitting on distributors' shelves. I.e. purchase one unit from a particular supplier to try out, and then follow up with purchasing the remainder once tested successfully (while also ensuring the distributor ships you units from the same lot).<br><br></div>Nevetheless, do still try downgrading the version of AirOS on the Picostation you have, i.e. to v5.5.10. That would be the easiest to do right away. Also, when flashing OpenWRT or CW, be sure you are using the "bullet" image instead of "nano".<br><br></div>The UBNT Bullet M2 radios likely would have the same risk of uncooperative firmware as the Picostations. They actually share the same stock firmware.<br><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Nicolas North <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:star@nikksno.io" target="_blank">star@nikksno.io</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Hi Ben</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Thank you so much for your help</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">I understand. I’ve heard of this ridiculous news before but hadn’t imagined it was already being applied to actual products.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Another user was suggesting using ubnt bullets on 2.4GHz band which from your message I seem to understand are still possibly untouched by these new absurd regulations.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style="margin:0px"><font size="3">Has anyone had any recent experience with ubnt bullet </font>M2HP on cw firmware?<br style="font-size:13px"></div><div style="margin:0px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">If the first one worked do you think it would make sense to purchase all of them now to avoid the risk of them getting locked in-factory in future batches? I was planning on a gradual rollout but if this is the point we’ve gotten to I guess it would make sense to pay for everything upfront.</div><div style="margin:0px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">If anyone can give me confirmation I will start the project tomorrow. I absolutely want to start this and now feel like we’re running out of time.</div><div style="margin:0px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">Thank you all so much for your help!</div><div style="margin:0px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">Nicolas</div><div style="margin:0px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px"><br></div> <div></div> <div style="color:black"> <br>From: <span style="color:black">Ben West</span> <a href="mailto:ben@gowasabi.net" target="_blank"><ben@gowasabi.net></a><br>Reply: <span style="color:black">Ben West</span> <a href="mailto:ben@gowasabi.net" target="_blank"><ben@gowasabi.net>></a><br>Date: <span style="color:black">5 Apr 2016 at 18:35:07</span><br>To: <span style="color:black">Nicolas North</span> <a href="mailto:star@nikksno.io" target="_blank"><star@nikksno.io>></a><br>Cc: <span style="color:black">commotion-discuss</span> <a href="mailto:commotion-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank"><commotion-discuss@lists.chambana.net>></a><br>Subject: <span style="color:black"> Re: [Commotion-discuss] CW Firmware on a Ubiquiti Picostation M2HP <br></span></div><div><div class="h5"><br> <blockquote type="cite"><span><div><div></div><div>
<div dir="ltr">Please be aware Ubiquity is gradually rolling out
updates to their stock firmware that will block flashing 3rd party
firmware like Commotion Wireless (and by extension OpenWRT and
DD-WRT). Right now such locks are in place on new 5.8GHz gear
(e.g. Nanostation M5's), and possibly they will start appearing on
2.4GHz gear. The reasons for these locks are quite specious
(in my opinion), and they were spurred by recent FCC decisions,
about which you can read here: <a href="https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Save_WiFi/Individual_Comments" target="_blank">https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Save_WiFi/Individual_Comments</a><br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Current versions of OpenWRT and DD-WRT may
be to work around such locks, e.g. DD-WRT loading while OpenWRT
does not, but Commotion Wireless itself will lag behind the latest
version of OpenWRT by some margin.<br>
<br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">A common recommendation I've read to
work-around such locks is to first downgrade the stock AirOS
firmware to an older version, e.g. v5.5.10, and from there flash
Commotion Wireless.<br>
<br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Again, do please note underlying issue is
that the radio manufacturer themselves are beginning to lock out
anything but their own stock firmware. The extent to which
such locks have been implemented appears to vary from product to
product (e.g. certain things are locked on new Picostations which
aren't locked on Nanostations or Rockets), but downgrading the
stock firmware and then flashing to 3rd party is a common
recommendation I've read.<br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Long term outlook, unfortunately, is that
OpenWRT and DD-WRT eventually will be barred entirely from all wifi
products that operate on 5.8GHz band, along with some 2.4GHz
products too. Generally, this is applies only to the USA, but
many device manufacturers are implementing the locks universally,
regardless of country where the device is sold.<br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Nicolas
North <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:star@nikksno.io" target="_blank">star@nikksno.io</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
Hi there!</div>
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<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
Thank you so much for your reply.</div>
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<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
This is an important problem as the picostations are great in terms
of coverage / price ratio. I’m now looking at other ubiquiti
devices but the antennas for the ubnt rocket cost more than the
rockets themselves. I’m trying to figure out how much larger the
range would be with rockets + omni antennas.</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
Could I ask you which devices you’ve switched to or are planning to
switch to given the impossibility of using picostations with cw
firmwares at the moment?</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
Do other cw-supported devices have the same reliability, quality
and price as ubiquiti devices?</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
I have to cover all houses [meaning the inside of houses in
practically every room with decent signal] inside a living complex
120 meters wide and 100 meters long with lots of exterior spaces.
The APs would all be on rooftops no higher than two storeys above
the ground. I’m thinking of sticking with 2.4GHz for now as it
reaches better inside houses.</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
Thank you again and thanks to all who’d like to share some advice
for this project! :)</div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
Nicolas</div>
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From: <span style="color:black">d***@***.net</span><br>
Reply: d***@***.net <br>
Date: <span style="color:black">3 Apr 2016 at
19:59:34</span><br>
To: <span style="color:black">Nicolas North</span> <a href="mailto:star@nikksno.io" target="_blank"><star@nikksno.io></a><br>
Subject: <span style="color:black">RE: [Commotion-discuss] CW
Firmware on a Ubiquiti Picostation M2HP<br></span></div>
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<p style="margin:0;padding:0;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:'times new roman';font-size:12pt;word-wrap:break-word">
<span><font face="times new roman" size="3">We have a small mesh
project we're working on here in Vermont, U.S.A. We have
found that we are unable to install Commotion on recent models of
Ubiquiti Picostation. Commotion says others have found that
Picostation version v5.6.x and above is incompatible with
Commotion, but that probably it wouldn't load at all rather than
not being configuarable as in our case. Anyway, we aren't going to
buy anymore Picostaions. Maybe this relates to your
problem.</font></span></p>
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<span><font face="times new roman" size="3">-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: "Nicolas North" <<a href="mailto:star@nikksno.io" target="_blank">star@nikksno.io</a>><br>
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:41am<br>
To: <a href="mailto:commotion-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">commotion-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
Subject: [Commotion-discuss] CW Firmware on a Ubiquiti Picostation
M2HP<br>
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<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span><font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">Hi
everybody!</span></font></span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">I’m looking to start a mesh
network here in Milano [Italia] where I live and I need some help
:)</span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">I have a ubiquiti picosta
tion m2hp that I can’t get to work with the cw openwrt
firmware.</span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">I downloaded the factory
image from the website and followed the guide but after I
uploaded the new firmware from the airmax web interface and
after the pico rebooted it only had the power and network lights on
and seemed to create no network at all: it didn’t provide any dhcp
so I tried to connect to it manually by setting ip address and
netmask on my macbook and trying all kinds of stuff but I had no
success.</span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">I tried it the tftp
way then but it failed with a 512 "firmware check failed" error
code. So I tried flashing three different pure openwrt firmwares
onto it but it kept failing with the same code.</span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">I tried ddwrt out
of curiosity and it works perfectly.</span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></font></div>
<div style="margin:0px"><font face="times new roman" size="3"><span style="line-height:19.5px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">I was never able to get it
back to airmax thought: tftp doesn’t fail but after
it reboots it gets stuck in a 20 second bootloop and even
after power cycling it it keeps restarting and never becomes
reachable. Do you think I could try at least reverting it to airmax
from the ddwrt web interface?</span></span></font></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">I have tried
compiling openwrt from scratch specifically with the ath9k drivers
but after three hours of compilation it still fails via tftp with
the same error.</span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></div>
<div style="margin:0px"><span style="line-height:19.5px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">I’m using the bullet image
as instructed.</span></span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">The pico is
brand new so I don’t want to open it and void the
warranty.</span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">What can I do
to fix this?</span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">Thank
you very much in advance!</span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large"> </span></div>
<div style="color:#000000;line-height:19.5px;margin:0px">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:large">Nicolas</span></div>
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