From bedwelro at cmi.k12.il.us  Tue Oct  1 11:47:04 2002
From: bedwelro at cmi.k12.il.us (Robin Bedwell)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:07 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] availability for October 18
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001114516.009e88a0@mail.cmi.k12.il.us>

Uni High School and Parkland College are jointly conducting a leadership 
institute AT Parkland on Friday, October 18, 2002 from 9-3.  We would like 
to do some small group, informal videotaping and am inquiring as to your 
availability on that day.  Are you available at least some of the 
day?  Please respond at your earliest convenience.  Thank you.  Robin Bedwell


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From sascha at ucimc.org  Wed Oct  2 11:42:33 2002
From: sascha at ucimc.org (Sascha Meinrath)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:07 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] INDYMEDIA IRC MEETING -- OCT 6, 16:00 GMT
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210021137240.1272-100000@imsahp>

Pardon the cross-posting, but this is important.  The UCIMC and its
role in the IMC Network will probably be directly discussed and it would
be good to have UCIMC folks available to answer questions.

Hope to see you tomorrow at the Membership meeting,

--Sascha

***

SUMMARY: INVITATION TO THE OCTOBER 6 BI-MONTHLY NETWORK-WIDE IRC MEETING.

(IF YOU INTEND TO COME AND DID NOT INTRODUCE YOURSELF AT THE AUGUST 4
MEETING, PLEASE SEND AN INTRODUCTION TO "imc-commwork@indymedia.org". We
will post the information to
http://docs.indymedia.org/twiki/bin/view/Global/MeetingIntroductions.)

*** WHAT: A meeting on Indymedia's IRC server (irc is like a chat room,
allowing people to have real-time text-based discussions), of at least one
liaison from every local imc and network-wide working group, and
invidusals throughout the network, to update each other on what each of us
is doing, and to discuss issues that are essential to indymedia.

WHEN: October 6, Sunday, 16:00 GMT
(check"http://www.greenwichmeantime.com" to find the time in your place)

WHERE: http://irc.indymedia.org, #meeting

WHO: YOU!!! Each local IMC and global working group (like imc-video,
imc-radio, imc-print) should ask one of its members to participate in the
meeting, with the purpose of relaying information from the local
imc/working group to everyone else at the meeting, and, afterward, making
sure people in the local IMC/working group know what happened in the
meeting. Individuals may also attend the main room of the meeting.

WHY: The indymedia network is growing every day and as we get bigger and
more global we realize how important it is for us to hear from each other.
In IRC meetings, many people have the chance to connect with the network,
in real time, in a dynamic and productive way.

HOW: http://process.indymedia.org/howtoattend.php3 The meeting will start
in a "main room," which will be the place to introduce the discussion
rooms. Please e-mail your introduction, and a summary of what is happening
at your local IMC, to "imc-commwork@indymedia.org" as soon as possible.
After enough people gather in the main room, we will break out into
issue-based chat rooms, which will send a summary back to the main room.
PLEASE SEND SUGGSTIONS FOR ISSUES TO DISCUSS TO IMC-COMMWORK.

There will be translation to/from Spanish and Portuguese, and any other
language people feel able to translate. Bilingual people are encouraged to
volunteer to translate for an specific room beforehand, so if that`s your
case please e-mail imc-commomwork@indymedia.org and let us know how you
can help.

AND THEN: This initiative comes from the imc-commwork@indymedia.org
working group, which is composed of a handful of people from various IMCs
who believe in the power of effective network-wide communication. The
imc-commwork@indymedia.org working group proposes we have these meetings
every other month, the first Sunday of every other month, to provide a
time for report-backs, discussion and focus. To help this happen,
imc-commwork needs to have more volunteers than it does now, from all over
the network. Please join the list (through http://lists.indymedia.org) and
help make this happen. Thank you!


From sascha at ucimc.org  Wed Oct  2 12:55:38 2002
From: sascha at ucimc.org (Sascha Meinrath)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:07 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Re: [Imc-booking] 0 2 7 4 indie film
In-Reply-To: <200210020824.g928OF400620@a-night-at-the-opera.cu.groogroo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210021254190.1272-100000@imsahp>

$2-5 sounds good to me.  i would also add a "suggested donation" amount.
i thought the imc already had a screen?  anyone...  anyone???

--sascha

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Arun Bhalla wrote:

> The indie film _zero.two.seven.four_ will be coming to the IMC on the 21st.
> The director/producer is touring with it.  He says all he needs is a
> screeen and some sort of speakers.  I think the PA will serve us well for
> speakers, so a screen is all we need.  Does the IMC have a screen?  If not,
> does anyone have any leads?
>
> I'm thinking of charging $2-5 (sliding) for it.  I don't know what's reasonable
> and fair, so if anyone has better ideas of what's fair for a touring indie film
> presented by the director, hey, let me know.
>
> thanks,
> Arun
>


From sascha at ucimc.org  Wed Oct  2 18:21:42 2002
From: sascha at ucimc.org (Sascha Meinrath)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:07 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Meeting Minutes (10/02/02):
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210021807210.12955-100000@imsahp>

Meeting Minutes (10/02/02):

Present:  Mike, Paul (Facilitating), Brian (sort of), Sascha (Notes)

1. Discussed recent network/website problems.

2. Made minor changes to website.

3. Clint & Danielle will redesign our website and are empowered to do so.

Respectfully submitted,

--Sascha


From jay at tao.ca  Thu Oct  3 01:28:00 2002
From: jay at tao.ca (Jay)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:07 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Re: break the blackout feature?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209281103010.12773-100000@imsahp>
References: <5.1.1.6.1.20020928085110.02f7ab50@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20021003022618.03767b78@localhost>

Sascha and all,

At 9/28/2002, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
>Having stories on poverty and local anti-poverty initiatives that coincide
>with the Break the Blackout conference sounds like a great idea.  Our
>tech-collective has been handling our website and I'm hopeful that someone
>can do a quick story on poverty in the area.  We also have a very active
>Living Wage movement locally, so there are some natural tie-ins already.
>I've cc-ed both groups so that folks who are interested can join the
>action.
>
>So would anyone be willing to create a feature for the UCIMC website for
>the weekend of October 4-6 -- the more features we have the better, so
>spread the word.  The only thing I ask is to please send both me and Jay
>an e-mail so I know that I can stop searching for someone and Jay knows
>that the UCIMC is on board.
>
>Let us know,
>
>--Sascha

Thanks for passing this along.  Definitely drop me an e-mail and let me 
know if you get a feature together this weekend.  If not, by the next time 
you do a feature on an anti-poverty organizing issue, perhaps 
"http://www.phillyimc.org/blackout" will be an active place for posting 
that kind of news.

Be in touch,

Jay

>On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Jay wrote:
>
> > Hi Sascha,
> >
> > I know I owe you a couple messages.  I just read your recent e-mails and
> > want to respond when I have a moment later today.
> >
> > In the meantime, something else.  I've been involved in organizing for a
> > conference that's coming up next weekend in Philadelphia, the Break the
> > Blackout media conference.  <http://www.kwru.org/conference>  The
> > conference will bring together grassroots anti-poverty organizers from
> > around the U.S. with independent media makers and media-democracy
> > activists.  I think it's going to be a great event.
> >
> > As part of using Indymedia's resources to support the conference and the
> > anti-poverty movement in general, I've been trying to inspire local IMCs
> > around the world to do features next weekend (October 4-6) about local
> > anti-povery efforts, or about anything relating to the struggle against
> > poverty, especially where it converges with independent media.  Do you
> > think the UC-IMC maybe be able to pull something along those lines together
> > for next weekend?  I'm just thinking about something small, but with IMCs
> > all over the world posting small features, things grow pretty
> > quickly.  I've already had some positive response from India, Argentina and
> > Uruguay about the idea . . . so join in! :)))
> >
> > If you aren't doing features nowadays, could you pass this message along to
> > someone who is?   Be sure to let me know if there's a feature up so I can
> > let everyone at the conference know.
> >
> > Thanks!  I like the idea of multiple IMCs focusing on the same issue at a
> > coordinated time, but each in its own way . . . ,
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> >



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From sascha at ucimc.org  Fri Oct  4 17:23:49 2002
From: sascha at ucimc.org (Sascha Meinrath)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:07 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Re: break the blackout feature?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.1.20021003022618.03767b78@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210041722070.30487-100000@imsahp>

Hi Jay (et al.),

I've posted Belden's story from the Public i up on the UCIMC's website.
Let me know if anything else is needed.  I hope the conference goes great!

--Sascha

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Jay wrote:

> Sascha and all,
>
> At 9/28/2002, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
> >Having stories on poverty and local anti-poverty initiatives that coincide
> >with the Break the Blackout conference sounds like a great idea.  Our
> >tech-collective has been handling our website and I'm hopeful that someone
> >can do a quick story on poverty in the area.  We also have a very active
> >Living Wage movement locally, so there are some natural tie-ins already.
> >I've cc-ed both groups so that folks who are interested can join the
> >action.
> >
> >So would anyone be willing to create a feature for the UCIMC website for
> >the weekend of October 4-6 -- the more features we have the better, so
> >spread the word.  The only thing I ask is to please send both me and Jay
> >an e-mail so I know that I can stop searching for someone and Jay knows
> >that the UCIMC is on board.
> >
> >Let us know,
> >
> >--Sascha
>
> Thanks for passing this along.  Definitely drop me an e-mail and let me
> know if you get a feature together this weekend.  If not, by the next time
> you do a feature on an anti-poverty organizing issue, perhaps
> "http://www.phillyimc.org/blackout" will be an active place for posting
> that kind of news.
>
> Be in touch,
>
> Jay
>
> >On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Jay wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Sascha,
> > >
> > > I know I owe you a couple messages.  I just read your recent e-mails and
> > > want to respond when I have a moment later today.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, something else.  I've been involved in organizing for a
> > > conference that's coming up next weekend in Philadelphia, the Break the
> > > Blackout media conference.  <http://www.kwru.org/conference>  The
> > > conference will bring together grassroots anti-poverty organizers from
> > > around the U.S. with independent media makers and media-democracy
> > > activists.  I think it's going to be a great event.
> > >
> > > As part of using Indymedia's resources to support the conference and the
> > > anti-poverty movement in general, I've been trying to inspire local IMCs
> > > around the world to do features next weekend (October 4-6) about local
> > > anti-povery efforts, or about anything relating to the struggle against
> > > poverty, especially where it converges with independent media.  Do you
> > > think the UC-IMC maybe be able to pull something along those lines together
> > > for next weekend?  I'm just thinking about something small, but with IMCs
> > > all over the world posting small features, things grow pretty
> > > quickly.  I've already had some positive response from India, Argentina and
> > > Uruguay about the idea . . . so join in! :)))
> > >
> > > If you aren't doing features nowadays, could you pass this message along to
> > > someone who is?   Be sure to let me know if there's a feature up so I can
> > > let everyone at the conference know.
> > >
> > > Thanks!  I like the idea of multiple IMCs focusing on the same issue at a
> > > coordinated time, but each in its own way . . . ,
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>


From wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com  Mon Oct  7 01:45:14 2002
From: wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com (Zachary C. Miller)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:07 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] cool networking stuff
Message-ID: <20021007064514.512A117409@imsahp>

I'm playing with some really cool networking stuff on the groogroo
server. I've now got two different ISPs connected via two different
ethernet cards and I'm coordinating them both through the iproute2
Advanced Linux Router stuff which just lets you do about anything you
can possibly imagine.

Right now access to the UCIMC website is exactly as it has always been
(strictly over the soltec DSL) but during the next week I will be
experimenting with load balancing these two connections. This should
bring a major increase in the server's available bandwidth.

I am also going to play with some Quality of Service bandwidth shaping
stuff that should make it so that even when all teh bandwidth is in
use from big downloads, interactive ssh sessions will still be
responsive.

Anyway, if anyone wants to learn about this cool advanced router stuff
let me know. It has been a slow process to learn but I'm loving it.

-- 
Zachary C. Miller - @= - http://wolfgang.groogroo.com/
IMSA 1995 - UIUC 2000 - Just Another Leftist Muppet - Ya Basta!
 Social Justice, Community, Nonviolence, Decentralization, Feminism,
 Sustainability, Responsibility, Diversity, Democracy, Ecology

From wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com  Sat Oct  5 15:05:21 2002
From: wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com (Zachary C. Miller)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] General Membership Meeting Minutes 10/3/2002
Message-ID: <20021005200521.EAB8517507@imsahp>

IMC General Membership Meeting
10/3/2002
7:05pm

Paul Riismandel Facilitating
Zach Miller taking Minutes.

Summary of Proposals Adopted (massive details to follow):

1) The general membership agreed to moving forward with buying a
building and empowered the finance and steering groups to move forward
with starting a capital campaign. A specially called General
Membership Meeting will be called to give final OK on a specific plan
to buy a specific building. Steering will decide when the membership
meeting will be and the steering group can authorize earnest money be
put up before this at a well publicized steering meeting. Finance and
Steering will publicly announce via email, website, and bulliten board
all meetings on this topic where major decisions will be
made. Concerns can and should be addressed at any of these open
meetings.

2) At next regularly scheduled membership meeting we will consense
upon language defining membership and incorporating it into
structure. Paul R. will draft some language on his own if no other
caucus or group has drafted any by then.

Intro

The IMC is accountable to the larger community and this is how we make
good on that.

We aren't under a time pressure, there are other meetings where we can
pursue these things.

Attending: Paul R, Clint, Sascha, Kate, Charlotte, Zach, Mike, Ron,
Emily, Danielle, Will, Nancy, Jason, Sara, Alex, Darrin, Sandra, Jay,
Russ, Paul M, Cope, possibly some others showed up late and didn't get
added to this list.

Next General Meeting: Saturday April 5, 2003

Old business

Concerns about anti-discrimination. Caucus was formed. The Caucus
published some minutes after a single meeting. Those minutes were read
by Zach. The people with concerns didn't actually show up to the first
meeting. We have a conflict resolution system now. Training women in
audio production has happened. 

Need a volunteer to coordinate consensus procedures formalization. 

Anti-discrimination language was delegated to the steering group. The
steering group passed something. Clint will find the language from the
notes and help communicate it to everyone. 

Zach found and read the non discrimination statement.
  "The IMC is committed to creating and maintaining an open and fair
   community.  Meetings are open to all without regard to age, gender, 
   race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, citizenship, or
   any other applicable basis proscribed by law.  Every participant
   will be treated fairly and equitably."  

The structure document lives until April. 

A brief overview of customary consensus procedures was given by Paul R. 

Financial report

We are now formal fiscal sponsors for a lot of organizations. We
manage their money. Foundations will only deal with non-profits so we
can function as a conduit for these kind of organizations. Foundations
are using us as a conduit for dispersing grant funds. 

We've been applying for grants. We got $7000 from Robeson
Foundation. This is the first big grant that we've gotten for our
specific kind of work.

We've been running a deficit, we are now breaking even. Our operations
were not affected but this was a warning. The financial health of the
organization is currently good. We have a $4000 endowment. We have
enough money in our accounts to cover our expenses. We have no
co-mingling of funds so we know when we're broke vs. borrowing from
other organizations that we fund. 

"It is really wonderful that we've got this set up the way we do. Are
the people who signed the 501c3 sheet legally responsible? Should we
get bonded?" As far as Sascha knows the responsible people if someone
else got sued would be _that_ organization. The contract was written
by a collective of progressive lawyers. If the IMC gets sued the
people who are liable are the board of directors. The Board's assets
are at risk. We should visit getting board of directors
insurance. Zach says this thing about board liability may not be true,
talk to WEFT BOD (Paul M was there).

Most groups cost money. Rent is our major expense. The shows group is
keeping us alive.

Why are we breaking even? Re-upped memberships and shows. 

We've made about $2500 on fiscal sponsorship fees. Sascha has donated
his entire cut back to the IMC. Sascha negotiates this after finance
agrees to sponsorship. Steering does not interact with this process
because steering empowered us. 

Sascha supplies an annual financial report which gets posted on the
bulliten board. 

Send questions to finance@ucimc.org or come to the finance meeting. 

Paul R talks about membership. Membership should become/remain a major
portion of our budget. We must be able to say we have a community that
supports us. Paul is putting in work to make sure the membership
records are up to date and good. Paul needs someone to take over the
membership management and more people to think about expanding
membership. We need to keep in touch with our membership. 

Danielle says: We should have official membership signup things at all
our events. People should come Tuesday at noon at University Y to help
danielle sign people up.

New Business

Discussion on buying the building. 

Rationale - 2/3s of the money we raise goes into rent. That money
disappears. That is huge. What WEFT did was very smart, they own their
building now. This building will be sold starting next spring. If we
can put a down payment down they will sell for us first. Current price
is $300k. We need to raise $60k for down plus $40k for incidentals if
something goes wrong we could fix it. We need to raise $100k. Sascha
has run the numbers about cost to operate the building, with laser's
edge and apartments rented we would pay less per month than we are
paying now. Overhead of overseeing the property, paying a manager,
giving space or reduced rent for being a manager. Post office is only
asking $250k we should compare cost. One thing this building has that
postoffice doesn't is that this provides income, the postoffice does
not provide income, there are no apartments there. Paul M wonders what
we'll do with that $40k, keep it as cash or pay down the mortgage and
then take equity? Mike L says we may have to work on accessibility
issues. We may have to get some insurance. Bringing the building up to
code. So we wouldn't just bank all the money, we'd spend it. The
details we'll work out in other groups.

Jason, one reason to keep this space involves PR. We'd have to restart
our PR from zero if we moved. Since our major income is shows we'd
lose that for a while if we moved. Sandra says Kevin is amazed at the
high price of this building. The buildings on the street by WEFT are
only $150k. Mike L says those buildings have major problems. As we
explore we shouldn't be married to staying in Urbana. When talking
about a 30 year investment you don't go by what you've done for the
last year.

Mortgage on a monthly basis would be about $2700 to $3000 in
total. Laser's Edge is thinking of signing a 5 year lease. We aren't
just buying the building but buying the infrastructure and
history. This is for a 30 year mortgage. But this is all guestimates,
we may be able to get a 15 year mortgage. 

Alex - is it reasonable to think we can raise $100k in less than a year. 

Sascha's proposal - This meeting should be about deciding whether we
want to try to buy a building. We can't wait until the next membership
meeting to decide this. 

Proposal - Empowering the finance group to make a decision which will
be finally approved by steering.

Concerns - 

Sandra believes that this should come back to the full group. Danielle
says there should be a special meeting. The meeting should be
announced the way we announce a general membership meeting. 

Danielle wants a special membership meeting be called by steering. 

Sascha accepts Danielle's recomendation.  

Dan wants people who can't make the meeting to be able to proxy. 

Others think this won't work with consensus. 

Dan is concerned because we are not a majority of membership. 

Paul R shares Dan's concern. One meeting can be missed. 

Jason P - what if someone gets a flat tire, do we reverse the decision?

Paul R. perhaps we could have 2 meetings. 

Clint - the logistics of having a meeting where everyone can attend is
hard. the meeting has to be had at some point. if we let a decision
not happen that is scary.

Mike - this is a process, not a single meeting. If someone makes it
clear that they have some strong issues with this they shouldn't wait
until the end of the process to block. There will be plenty of
opportunity for input. Trying to get consensus from the membership is
a lengthy process. 

Sascha - the proposal we have here is to have the meeting early next
year, between now and then we'll have biweekly open meetings of
finance, after that there'll be a steering group meeting to set up the
membership meeting, the final step is going back to the membership to
look for overarching concerns. But this meeting is the last component
of a very long process with dozens of meetings.

Paul M - The membership meeting should be the kick off of the capital
campaign rather than the end of the process. We can make that meeting
large.

Danielle - Both Paul's raise a good issue, a new proposal brewing. The
issue is how do we go about buying a building. How do we transform the
IMC by buying a building? Danielle supports having 2 meetings. 1 kick
off/celebration/press conference meeting and 1 final meeting to sign
off on all the details, buy in and sign off.

Clint - Agrees with kick-off. The initial response wasn't "if we can
buy it we should" but rather "the IMC shouldn't be landlords, it is a
contradiction".

Mike L - If this meeting authorizes going forward then it authorizes
going forward with fundraising. Don't call the kick off a meeting, we
should have a kick off though. The kick off is a party. 

Paul R. - convinced by Mike and following, view this as a process, we
must keep the process open. As long as there are a lot of other venues
rolling up to a big meeting this could be fine. 

Proposals - 

Empower finance and then steering to fundraise and authorize buying
the building. 

Danielle - Final meeting, and kick off party, send things out to the
entire IMC list any time you are going to have concrete proposals to
discuss. Final meeting is the only actual "meeting". 

Sascha - I can't fundraise unless he has permission for targetted
fundraising.

Clint - Do we need a unresolvable block resolution mechanism for the
final meeting? 

Zach - If we pass today's proposal are we guaranteed to buy a building
IF we raise the money and the final meeting will decide which building?

Synthesized proposal: The membership gives its ok to buy some
building, begin fundraising, authorize fundraising/finance group and
steering to negotiate and raise funds, final OK at membership
meeting. We will publicly announce via email, website, and bulliten
board all meetings on this topic where major decisions will be
made. Concerns can be addressed at any of these open meetings. Final
signoff on the plan will be at a specially called membership meeting. 

Danielle - are we making it impossible to buy this building. 
Sascha - as long as concerns are raised in time. 
Mike - define that last meeting
Zach - is the final meeting before we negotiate or before we close
Sandra - as long as it is completely publicized, wouldn't have a problem with the final meeting being a steering rather than meeting
Zach - Allow steering to decide when it is ok to have the final OK meeting. 
Paul - The steering group will call a meeting before we make a commitment of X dollars. 
Sascha - we have to trust that the process will be done well.
Zach and Danielle - Steering will decide when the membership meeting will be and the steering group can authorize earnest money be put up at a well publicized steering meeting.  - This was added to the whole proposal. 
 
yay consensus

Fix the structure document - Paul K's proposal submitted. 

Mike - right now we don't let money get in the way of people becoming
a member, finance has let people in who could not pay. Quantifying
like this makes money _more_ of an issue rather than less. The issue
of members being revoked is pretty weird, membership should be more
explicit. We've got policies to deal with conflicts and
anti-discrimination. Waiting 6 months to straighten out a membership
question is a little problematic. 

Jason - This document is so broad as to be almost completely
meaningless. 

Sandra - It takes getting used to the idea that to be a member you
have to pay but you do get used to it. The fact that we have a
hardship procedure already addresses this. 

What is the difference between being a member and a non-member. 

Paul - the only difference is who can be in the steering group. 
Sascha - non members get rental benefits and can borrow from the production room. 
Paul - I would like to see some definition in the document. Membership should be defined. 
Mike - We should put the current membership definition. 

Zach - withdraws proposal

Paul R - At next regularly scheduled membership meeting we will
consent upon language defining membership and encorporating it into
structure. Paul R. will draft some language if no one else has drafted
any by then. 

consensed.

-- 
Zachary C. Miller - @= - http://wolfgang.groogroo.com/
IMSA 1995 - UIUC 2000 - Just Another Leftist Muppet - Ya Basta!
 Social Justice, Community, Nonviolence, Decentralization, Feminism,
 Sustainability, Responsibility, Diversity, Democracy, Ecology

From p-riism at uiuc.edu  Mon Oct  7 11:00:36 2002
From: p-riism at uiuc.edu (Paul Riismandel)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] cool networking stuff
References: <20021007064514.512A117409@imsahp>
Message-ID: <3DA1AFA4.5090706@uiuc.edu>

Zach -- what's the other ISP, and what's the bandwidth?

The QoS bandwitdh shaping sounds cool and should really improve 
responsiveness I reckon.

--Paul

Zachary C. Miller wrote:

>I'm playing with some really cool networking stuff on the groogroo
>server. I've now got two different ISPs connected via two different
>ethernet cards and I'm coordinating them both through the iproute2
>Advanced Linux Router stuff which just lets you do about anything you
>can possibly imagine.
>
>Right now access to the UCIMC website is exactly as it has always been
>(strictly over the soltec DSL) but during the next week I will be
>experimenting with load balancing these two connections. This should
>bring a major increase in the server's available bandwidth.
>
>I am also going to play with some Quality of Service bandwidth shaping
>stuff that should make it so that even when all teh bandwidth is in
>use from big downloads, interactive ssh sessions will still be
>responsive.
>
>Anyway, if anyone wants to learn about this cool advanced router stuff
>let me know. It has been a slow process to learn but I'm loving it.
>
>  
>



From sascha at ucimc.org  Mon Oct  7 11:42:56 2002
From: sascha at ucimc.org (Sascha Meinrath)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] re: cool networking stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210071141510.15827-100000@imsahp>

there's been some interest in having "fallback" servers identified in case
of hacking or overload or the like. is this something that the UCIMC could
provide for other IMCs?

--sascha


From wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com  Mon Oct  7 11:58:28 2002
From: wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com (Zachary C. Miller)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] cool networking stuff
In-Reply-To: <3DA1AFA4.5090706@uiuc.edu> "from Paul Riismandel at Oct 7, 2002
 11:00:36 am"
Message-ID: <20021007165828.E3A7B17535@imsahp>

> Zach -- what's the other ISP, and what's the bandwidth?

I am a beta tester for a commercial wireless ISP called volo.net. It
is run by Peter Folk who works with the CU Wireless Group from time to
time.

I am currently getting 300kbps downlink and 80kbps downlink (compared
to 150 up and 30 down on my DSL) over this ISP. Peter tells me that in
the future this could go up 5-fold as he acquires more bandwidth and
changes the limits on his routers.

I am taking a very slow and cautious approach to moving IMC or other
hosted services over to this link because this company is brand new
and untested and I am a beta tester so the quality of my link could
change as software is changed.

If this pans out though this'll be a major boon for broadband
applications on IMC/groogroo.

Right now I am stress testing the wireless link by running a P2P file
sharing client on it. This shouldn't affect the web hosting side of
things at all. If it does, let me know. 

Paul Riismandel wrote:

> 
> The QoS bandwitdh shaping sounds cool and should really improve 
> responsiveness I reckon.
> 
> --Paul
> 
> Zachary C. Miller wrote:
> 
> >I'm playing with some really cool networking stuff on the groogroo
> >server. I've now got two different ISPs connected via two different
> >ethernet cards and I'm coordinating them both through the iproute2
> >Advanced Linux Router stuff which just lets you do about anything you
> >can possibly imagine.
> >
> >Right now access to the UCIMC website is exactly as it has always been
> >(strictly over the soltec DSL) but during the next week I will be
> >experimenting with load balancing these two connections. This should
> >bring a major increase in the server's available bandwidth.
> >
> >I am also going to play with some Quality of Service bandwidth shaping
> >stuff that should make it so that even when all teh bandwidth is in
> >use from big downloads, interactive ssh sessions will still be
> >responsive.
> >
> >Anyway, if anyone wants to learn about this cool advanced router stuff
> >let me know. It has been a slow process to learn but I'm loving it.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 

-- 
Zachary C. Miller - @= - http://wolfgang.groogroo.com/
IMSA 1995 - UIUC 2000 - Just Another Leftist Muppet - Ya Basta!
 Social Justice, Community, Nonviolence, Decentralization, Feminism,
 Sustainability, Responsibility, Diversity, Democracy, Ecology

From sascha at ucimc.org  Mon Oct  7 12:29:12 2002
From: sascha at ucimc.org (Sascha Meinrath)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] $$$???
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210071228340.15827-100000@imsahp>

I thought this would be worth looking into -- can someone make a quick
phonecall:

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technical assistance funds are available from the Illinois Arts Council
for individuals working within Illinois arts organizations who have not
recently received program/ general support from the Council. Applications
are due 8-10 weeks prior to the event (which means right away if you plan
to attend the NAMAC conference in Seattle). For application procedures and
further information, contact Alan Leder, Director, Visual Arts, Media Arts
& Multi-Arts Programs, at 312-814-6753.
POSTED 08/08/02





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From: contact at belgix.com (Nanou)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Rencontrez vous en Belgique
Message-ID: <20021009004249.C17D1175D3@imsahp>

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From futrelle at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu Oct 10 16:56:41 2002
From: futrelle at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Futrelle)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] dead link
Message-ID: <p05111b05b9cba80b64f9@[141.142.21.21]>

http://www.ucimc.org/media/israel-palestine/display/932/index.php

-- 
Joe Futrelle            http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/futrelle
Digital Library Technologies, NCSA/UIUC       ph  (217) 265-0296
605 E. Springfield, Champaign IL 61820        fax (217) 244-1987


From rebelmike at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 12 13:32:38 2002
From: rebelmike at earthlink.net (Mike Lehman)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Website Issues
Message-ID: <3DA86AC6.B172FCD7@earthlink.net>

I have come across three concerns in the last week that I believe should
be addressed on IMC Web list list, with some overlap on the Tech list.

The first is probably something simple, but it is a little mystifying
and irritating. I posted a comment to this feature:
<http://www.ucimc.org/feature/display/7874/index.php>
I would like to edit my comment a little, but I can't find out how to do
so. Logged in as myself, the comment doesn't appear in the list of items
I've posted and can edit myself without editor privileges.

Logged in as an editor, I get an error message that says, "Unknown ID
Error Database failed to return a unique record for this query, or you
are not authorized to access that record." Maybe it's a matter of this
being a admin permissions issue, but I do think that editors should be
able to at least have the option to hide a comment posted to a Feature
that violates IMC editorial policy and I think that the author (myself,
in this case) should be able to edit their own comments in Features.

The next thing is the issue of what should be links in the feature
itself (the same feature at the link above), which I was the original
author of. For some reason, I could not get them to post as hyperlinks,
no matter how I tried, when I posted it. Maybe it's because there are so
many. It would have been a much better feature if people could've just
clicked on them, instead of having to cut-and-paste then into their
browser to be able to go to them. Anyone have an idea on why they aren't
hyperlinks? Can they be fixed? Is there another way to do this?

Finally, an issue that is part of what will be a larger problem as the
website gets more use and which holds the potential for contention
unless we adopt a policy on it. That is the posting of news and
announcements as features in general. I know that Danielle and others
are working on redoing the Community Calendar so that it is more usable
and this may help deal with some of the issues with announcements.

Right now, we seem to be getting into a pattern of posting a lot of
announcements to the Feature section. I am not necessarily opposed to
that and have, in fact, done some of this myself. I posted this
announcement of the upcoming Saturday peace demo on Thursday, two days
before it was scheduled to happen:
<http://www.ucimc.org/feature/display/7913/index.php>
This is an event that is very important because of the vote for war in
Congress this week and the fact that it has widespread interest in the
community.

The following is NOT meant as a criticism of Arun's announcement of the
upcoming film, posted as:
<http://www.ucimc.org/feature/display/7922/index.php>
But this event was posted as a Feature when it was ten days off. By the
time of the event, the announcement will be far down in the Feature
section and I really don't think we should move it back to the top when
its already had all that exposure. In my mind, it would have more
properly been posted on the Local Newswire, where it would have also
moved down over the course of the next week or so, and then it could
have been moved up to the Feature section a couple of days before the
event, where it would be at the top of the Feature section when it would
have done the most good at reminding people it was coming up.

I will be moving the following announcement to Features after I post
this to the list:
<http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/7924/index.php>
since it is now just two days before it occurs and, once again, it has
wide interest in the community. Failing to do so might be perceived to
be favoritism as long as we are running some announcements in Features.

I believe that we need to look at the options on this issue and come up
with some agreed upon guidelines, while perhaps giving Danielle some
input on how we ought to deal with announcements in general, so that we
can give equal consideration to all announcements, since I don't think
we really want the Features to become an announcement column. I think we
will also need to do this for what news gets posted as Features also,
since there can also be the same tendency to move a lot of Local
Newswire stuff to Features if we don't come up with guidelines for that
also.

Paul Riismandel did a great job with Features when we were on the old
software, but this was much more infrequent and laborious, which in
itself helped to prioritize what went into Features. Now that the new
software is up, there is a wider, but still small, group of people with
the ability to make Features. So far, this has been an uncoordinated
process with no agreed on procedures for what becomes a Feature,
bringing up some of the issues I have delineated above. This list can be
the beginning of a more organized approach to doing Features and I would
like the thoughts of others about how a more systematic approach to
Features can take place so that we can better and more fairly serve our
community.

Mike Lehman


From stopwaroniraq at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 12 17:45:28 2002
From: stopwaroniraq at yahoo.com (Martha McGuire)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] (no subject)
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From p-riism at uiuc.edu  Sat Oct 12 22:25:53 2002
From: p-riism at uiuc.edu (Paul Riismandel)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] stats?
Message-ID: <3DA8E7C1.3070609@uiuc.edu>

It looks like our website stats aren't working correctly 
(http://www.ucimc.org/stats).  These days it's reporting only about 100 
- 200 page views per day, which seems awfully low.  'specially since we 
were seeing 1000 - 2000 before the Dada upgrade.

Any guesses as to what's up?  I think it's kinda nice to know how many 
hits the site is getting.

--Paul



From lewart at uiuc.edu  Sat Oct 12 22:48:16 2002
From: lewart at uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] stats?
In-Reply-To: <3DA8E7C1.3070609@uiuc.edu>; from p-riism@uiuc.edu on Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 10:25:53PM -0500
References: <3DA8E7C1.3070609@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <20021012224816.A15806@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu>

Paul, et al,

> It looks like our website stats aren't working correctly
> (http://www.ucimc.org/stats).  These days it's reporting only about 100
> - 200 page views per day, which seems awfully low.  'specially since we
> were seeing 1000 - 2000 before the Dada upgrade.

> Any guesses as to what's up?  I think it's kinda nice to know how many
> hits the site is getting.

Yes--an impedance mismatch:

/etc/apache/httpd.conf has these lines:
	ServerName www.ucimc.org
	CustomLog /var/log/apache/dada-access.log imcfull

/var/lib/analog/conf/imc.conf has these lines:
	LOGFILE /var/log/apache/imc-access.log
	LOGFILE /var/log/apache/imc-access.log.0
	LOGFILE /var/log/apache/imc-access.*.gz

I'll leave this one for Zach or Clint.  Ideally, stats should be
generated retroactively too.

Cheers,
Dan


From wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com  Mon Oct 14 12:44:12 2002
From: wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com (Zachary C. Miller)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] stats?
In-Reply-To: <20021012224816.A15806@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> "from Daniel S. Lewart
 at Oct 12, 2002 10:48:16 pm"
Message-ID: <20021014174412.8F1B3177D2@imsahp>

Wow, I thought stats were broken in general. I didn't know someone had
fixed them.

In any case for whoever works on this it should be noted that I
archived a ton of old apache files in
/extra2/old-apache-logs-021011/

So if you want to compute historical stats the stats generator should
include those files. I don't think this has anything to do with the
problems just reported but it'll impact retroactive stats
computations.

I will get to looking at stats sitewide later but not sooner. 

Daniel S. Lewart wrote:
> Paul, et al,
> 
> > It looks like our website stats aren't working correctly
> > (http://www.ucimc.org/stats).  These days it's reporting only about 100
> > - 200 page views per day, which seems awfully low.  'specially since we
> > were seeing 1000 - 2000 before the Dada upgrade.
> 
> > Any guesses as to what's up?  I think it's kinda nice to know how many
> > hits the site is getting.
> 
> Yes--an impedance mismatch:
> 
> /etc/apache/httpd.conf has these lines:
> 	ServerName www.ucimc.org
> 	CustomLog /var/log/apache/dada-access.log imcfull
> 
> /var/lib/analog/conf/imc.conf has these lines:
> 	LOGFILE /var/log/apache/imc-access.log
> 	LOGFILE /var/log/apache/imc-access.log.0
> 	LOGFILE /var/log/apache/imc-access.*.gz
> 
> I'll leave this one for Zach or Clint.  Ideally, stats should be
> generated retroactively too.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dan
> 

-- 
Zachary C. Miller - @= - http://wolfgang.groogroo.com/
IMSA 1995 - UIUC 2000 - Just Another Leftist Muppet - Ya Basta!
 Social Justice, Community, Nonviolence, Decentralization, Feminism,
 Sustainability, Responsibility, Diversity, Democracy, Ecology

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From bhagy at urbana.indymedia.org  Wed Oct 16 08:08:31 2002
From: bhagy at urbana.indymedia.org (Brian Hagy)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] network links
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210160806020.750-100000@imsahp>

i noticed that our links to the imc network are rather out of date (we
don't even have jakarta!).  anyone know why we're not updating (i thought
that it was automatic)?  can this happen (automatically) with the Dada
software?  if it does, does anyone (clint, zach, dan) know how to get it
set up?

thanks,
brian




From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Wed Oct 16 14:35:56 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] network links
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210160806020.750-100000@imsahp>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210160806020.750-100000@imsahp>
Message-ID: <20021016193556.GA55408@cpopetz.com>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 08:08:31AM -0500, Brian Hagy wrote:
> 
> i noticed that our links to the imc network are rather out of date (we
> don't even have jakarta!).  anyone know why we're not updating (i thought
> that it was automatic)?  can this happen (automatically) with the Dada
> software?  if it does, does anyone (clint, zach, dan) know how to get it
> set up?

Dada doesn't update automatically.  It's on dada's list.  I can
probably write a script to do it, at some point.

				-Clint


From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Wed Oct 16 15:49:11 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Paper for laserwriter
Message-ID: <20021016204911.GA71862@cpopetz.com>

dewey is out of paper, and although I originally brought several reams of
laserwriter paper to the IMC, I can't find it.  Perhaps we have gone
through it all.  Anyway, I need to go buy more paper.

I won't be at the tech meeting again today.  Can this purchase be
authorized by the tech meeting?  Last time I bought it out on north
prospect, but that was in my days of having a car.  I was thinking
maybe the Laser's Edge would sell us a few reams.

I don't have an estimate on the cost.

			-Clint


From wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com  Wed Oct 16 18:27:51 2002
From: wolfgang at wolfgang.groogroo.com (Zachary C. Miller)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] broken URLs in the dada world
Message-ID: <20021016232751.4F1CE178CE@imsahp>

We should really make sure our link on this page works by either
redirecting the old URL to a good new one or by asking them to update
their link or both.
 
http://www.radio4all.net/imcaudio.html

-- 
Zachary C. Miller - @= - http://wolfgang.groogroo.com/
IMSA 1995 - UIUC 2000 - Just Another Leftist Muppet - Ya Basta!
 Social Justice, Community, Nonviolence, Decentralization, Feminism,
 Sustainability, Responsibility, Diversity, Democracy, Ecology

From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Thu Oct 17 14:36:54 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] broken URLs in the dada world
In-Reply-To: <20021016232751.4F1CE178CE@imsahp>
References: <20021016232751.4F1CE178CE@imsahp>
Message-ID: <20021017193654.GC62867@cpopetz.com>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:27:51PM -0500, Zachary C. Miller wrote:
> We should really make sure our link on this page works by either
> redirecting the old URL to a good new one or by asking them to update
> their link or both.
>  
> http://www.radio4all.net/imcaudio.html

I have mailed them the change.

			-Clint


From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Fri Oct 18 13:29:22 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] network links
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210160806020.750-100000@imsahp>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210160806020.750-100000@imsahp>
Message-ID: <20021018182922.GB39550@cpopetz.com>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 08:08:31AM -0500, Brian Hagy wrote:
> 
> i noticed that our links to the imc network are rather out of date (we
> don't even have jakarta!).  anyone know why we're not updating (i thought
> that it was automatic)?  can this happen (automatically) with the Dada
> software?  if it does, does anyone (clint, zach, dan) know how to get it
> set up?

I wrote some code to update dada's media_centers table from the global
site, and I'm now running it nightly on our site, so we should stay up
to date.

			-Clint


From sessenouline at themail.com  Fri Oct 18 15:09:42 2002
From: sessenouline at themail.com (Dr. Henrique Sessenou)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Extremely Important
Message-ID: <20021018200808.63EDE17963@imsahp>

FROM: ESPACE CABINET MEDICAL
Telephone +228-9108779


Dear,

My name is Dr. Henrique Sessenou, a medical doctor and the sole
proprietor of the above specialist hospital. I understand that
through Internet is not the best way to link up with you because of
the confidentiality which the transaction demands. However, I have
already sent you this same letter by post one month ago, but I am not
sure if it did get to you since I have not heard from you, hence my
resending it again. I have a widow here in my hospital who is on a
political assylum in Lome - Togo refugee camp. She has been so ill
for some couple of months now.

This woman confided in me based on the free medical attention I have
been giving to her and her children. She had revealed to me of her
life history and about her late husband who was a top military
officer in one of the west African country (Sierra-Leone) before his
death during the civil war and the fortune she inherited from her
late husband. She has asked me to source a credible and trustworthy
partner abroad who will manage her funds for investment, the sum of
Twenty Eight Million US Dollars (US$28m) which her late husband
deposited in a safe fiduciary agent in Europe through a security
company based in Lome - Togo. I wish to chose you for this venture
and I believe you will be in the position to assist in managing this
large sum in a profitable ventures and also to help create a safe
haven for her and her children by making a residence arrangement for
them in your
country.

After she had disclosed this information to me, I saw the reason to
request from her all the documents relating to this deposit of which
she did, now I have the documents covering the deposit which I will
not hesitate to fax to you the copies as a proof for your
confirmation as soon as I receive your response via e-mail. I am
obliged to assist this lady knowing too well that she has a limited
knowledge in the business world and as such she cannot manage this
funds herself, and in order to avoid any trace of her by the
government, I will need from you a mutual understanding and then we
shall make plans on how the funds would be secured into an account in
your name; after which you will arrange and travel immediately to
meet with the security company's Agency in Europe for clearing.

This amount is contained in a sealed trunk box and it is registered
and declared as containing family treasures, so even as I am writing
you now the security company and it's agency are not aware that there
is cash money in the trunk. Let me assure you that this transaction
is 100 hitch and risk free; from my discussion with her, she has
agreed to give you a reasonable amount of percentage for your
involvement in this deal, and this has to be discussed upon the
receipt of your quick response.

Thanks and God bless you for your understanding.

Best regards,
Dr. H. Sessenou



From sessenouline at themail.com  Fri Oct 18 15:18:26 2002
From: sessenouline at themail.com (Dr. Henrique Sessenou)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Extremely Important
Message-ID: <20021018201653.719CD16FCE@imsahp>

FROM: ESPACE CABINET MEDICAL
Telephone +228-9108779


Dear,

My name is Dr. Henrique Sessenou, a medical doctor and the sole
proprietor of the above specialist hospital. I understand that
through Internet is not the best way to link up with you because of
the confidentiality which the transaction demands. However, I have
already sent you this same letter by post one month ago, but I am not
sure if it did get to you since I have not heard from you, hence my
resending it again. I have a widow here in my hospital who is on a
political assylum in Lome - Togo refugee camp. She has been so ill
for some couple of months now.

This woman confided in me based on the free medical attention I have
been giving to her and her children. She had revealed to me of her
life history and about her late husband who was a top military
officer in one of the west African country (Sierra-Leone) before his
death during the civil war and the fortune she inherited from her
late husband. She has asked me to source a credible and trustworthy
partner abroad who will manage her funds for investment, the sum of
Twenty Eight Million US Dollars (US$28m) which her late husband
deposited in a safe fiduciary agent in Europe through a security
company based in Lome - Togo. I wish to chose you for this venture
and I believe you will be in the position to assist in managing this
large sum in a profitable ventures and also to help create a safe
haven for her and her children by making a residence arrangement for
them in your
country.

After she had disclosed this information to me, I saw the reason to
request from her all the documents relating to this deposit of which
she did, now I have the documents covering the deposit which I will
not hesitate to fax to you the copies as a proof for your
confirmation as soon as I receive your response via e-mail. I am
obliged to assist this lady knowing too well that she has a limited
knowledge in the business world and as such she cannot manage this
funds herself, and in order to avoid any trace of her by the
government, I will need from you a mutual understanding and then we
shall make plans on how the funds would be secured into an account in
your name; after which you will arrange and travel immediately to
meet with the security company's Agency in Europe for clearing.

This amount is contained in a sealed trunk box and it is registered
and declared as containing family treasures, so even as I am writing
you now the security company and it's agency are not aware that there
is cash money in the trunk. Let me assure you that this transaction
is 100 hitch and risk free; from my discussion with her, she has
agreed to give you a reasonable amount of percentage for your
involvement in this deal, and this has to be discussed upon the
receipt of your quick response.

Thanks and God bless you for your understanding.

Best regards,
Dr. H. Sessenou



From bhagy at urbana.indymedia.org  Fri Oct 18 15:59:16 2002
From: bhagy at urbana.indymedia.org (Brian Hagy)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] network links
In-Reply-To: <20021018182922.GB39550@cpopetz.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210181559020.25646-100000@imsahp>

Clint,

:)

Brian



On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Clint Popetz wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 08:08:31AM -0500, Brian Hagy wrote:
> >
> > i noticed that our links to the imc network are rather out of date (we
> > don't even have jakarta!).  anyone know why we're not updating (i thought
> > that it was automatic)?  can this happen (automatically) with the Dada
> > software?  if it does, does anyone (clint, zach, dan) know how to get it
> > set up?
>
> I wrote some code to update dada's media_centers table from the global
> site, and I'm now running it nightly on our site, so we should stay up
> to date.
>
> 			-Clint
>
> _______________________________________________
> Imc-tech mailing list
> Imc-tech@urbana.indymedia.org
> http://lists.cu.groogroo.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/imc-tech
>


From rebelmike at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 19 18:07:10 2002
From: rebelmike at earthlink.net (Mike Lehman)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] A Couple of Issues With Hidden Files
Message-ID: <3DB1E59E.FB3DD6DE@earthlink.net>

After Paul R. and I spoke about the current crop of DAN SPAM, I decided
I would unhide #8000 after reclassifying it from "Children & Education"
to "Israel/Palestine". The reclassification went fine, but I was not
able to unhide it. I guess this is another bug, but be careful what you
hide 'cause you can't take it back. Ironically, DAN posted another
similar story the next day (Thursday) that _was_ properly classified, so
maybe he did learn something from this.

I will try to have a light hand at the Hide button as long as he 1)
continues to move in a more acceptable direction and 2) doesn't start
filling up the Elsewhere Newswire with his more acceptable spam. How
does no more than two slots (you can tell I'm being very generous here,
as I would much rather it be one) on the Newswire as a limit for his
identifiable, but acceptable, stories so that he doesn't turn it into
something that looks a lot like IMCP?

The second concern is also DAN-related. I have the report I wrote
detailing how he was identified here, but none of the links are working,
since it was compiled under the old software. You can't even go by
inserting the article number in the URL using the new software. And the
Hidden Stories page only works for the current page and attempting to
access the earlier pages simply results in pulling up the first page
again. Is there anyway to convert the old article # to the new article #
so that I can access old stories?

Mike


From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Mon Oct 21 13:28:48 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] A Couple of Issues With Hidden Files
In-Reply-To: <3DB1E59E.FB3DD6DE@earthlink.net>
References: <3DB1E59E.FB3DD6DE@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20021021182848.GD86146@cpopetz.com>

On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 06:07:10PM -0500, Mike Lehman wrote:
> After Paul R. and I spoke about the current crop of DAN SPAM, I decided
> I would unhide #8000 after reclassifying it from "Children & Education"
> to "Israel/Palestine". The reclassification went fine, but I was not
> able to unhide it. I guess this is another bug, but be careful what you
> hide 'cause you can't take it back. 

I'm looking into this.

> The second concern is also DAN-related. I have the report I wrote
> detailing how he was identified here, but none of the links are working,
> since it was compiled under the old software. 

Try it again; I just fixed the page that should successfully redirect
old URLs to new ones.  For instance:

  http://www.ucimc.org/front.php3?article_id=7575&group=webcast

will become:

  http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/7540


				-Clint


From rebelmike at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 21 14:53:02 2002
From: rebelmike at earthlink.net (Mike Lehman)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:08 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Something Wacked With The Website?
Message-ID: <3DB45B1E.CC31887C@earthlink.net>

There are some strange things going on that I've noticed lately. For
instance,
I had trouble posting a comment to this article,
<http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/8026/index.php>
There ended up being three (or more) copies posted and when I tried to
hide the extras, they won't go away.

My rather long follow-up comment, posted today, shows up as TWO comments
on the editor screen, but one was before the last comment and one after,
although the position has changed several times after relaoding, so I
can't tell you what you may actually see when you go there. I tried
hiding today's extra copy also, but, again, it still is visible.

When I made this article
<http://www.ucimc.org/feature/display/8055/index.php>
a feature (two days before the event, as I had promised the author last
week) it showed up halfway down the feature column, even though it is
dated today. It had been on the Newswire until now, so maybe it is
putting the Features in date order, even though the displayed date is
incorrect if that is the case.  went back and did a little editing and
it ended up in the correct position at the top of the page. FYI, in case
this happens again.

Mike Lehman
(still trying to figure this out)


From rebelmike at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 21 14:52:37 2002
From: rebelmike at earthlink.net (Mike Lehman)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] A Couple of Issues With Hidden Files
References: <3DB1E59E.FB3DD6DE@earthlink.net> <20021021182848.GD86146@cpopetz.com>
Message-ID: <3DB45B05.98B26CBC@earthlink.net>

Thanks, Clint, for fixing the old database (or whatever). I now have the
(non)pleasure of looking at DAN's ugly face again.
Mike

Clint Popetz wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 06:07:10PM -0500, Mike Lehman wrote:
> > After Paul R. and I spoke about the current crop of DAN SPAM, I decided
> > I would unhide #8000 after reclassifying it from "Children & Education"
> > to "Israel/Palestine". The reclassification went fine, but I was not
> > able to unhide it. I guess this is another bug, but be careful what you
> > hide 'cause you can't take it back.
> 
> I'm looking into this.
> 
> > The second concern is also DAN-related. I have the report I wrote
> > detailing how he was identified here, but none of the links are working,
> > since it was compiled under the old software.
> 
> Try it again; I just fixed the page that should successfully redirect
> old URLs to new ones.  For instance:
> 
>   http://www.ucimc.org/front.php3?article_id=7575&group=webcast
> 
> will become:
> 
>   http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/7540
> 
>                                 -Clint


From betsy at zajko.org  Tue Oct 22 13:48:39 2002
From: betsy at zajko.org (Betsy Zajko)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] locked out
Message-ID: <004501c279fb$a35b0a40$726cdd0c@insightbb.com>

hello all.

this is a heads up and follow up to messages already sent to russ, brian and
mike.

i locked myself out of the production room and locked IN my production
materials this morning, tuesday, oct 22.

there are 4 dats near the dat machine (1 of them in the machine) that i MUST
keep for they contain irreplaceable material.  the rest of my stuff is in a
plastic bag on the chair near mojo.  the dat labels say (something like)
folk shift, harvey pekar/enco files, nightaire backup, and (?no idea).

i am an IMC member who has been using the production room during early
morning
hours.  this morning after i managed to lock myself out of the production
room the
correct combo (that i always use) was not working and i cannot get back in
to
retrieve my materials.

i had to leave at 12:30pm to take care of other business.  if you receive
this e-mail and happen to see this stuff in the prod room, please put my 4
dats in the plastic bag and have someone call my chicago/cell number.  i'll
pick up my stuff as soon as possible.

Thank you,

Betsy

Betsy Zajko
312-342-4418 (chicago)



From bhagy at urbana.indymedia.org  Tue Oct 22 19:55:20 2002
From: bhagy at urbana.indymedia.org (Brian Hagy)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] hmmm
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210221952350.7492-100000@imsahp>

looks like "he" has returned to posting on the website.  of course, using
his usual style of aliases (lisa, in this case, and posting an article by
someone else, but at least using his name...or is that your addition ML?).
but then again, he's never really been gone, has he.

sigh

brian




From sascha at ojctech.com  Wed Oct 23 12:25:14 2002
From: sascha at ojctech.com (Sascha Meinrath)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Re: computer parts sale?
In-Reply-To: <20021023092829.A3881@clam.clamcenter.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0210231217330.7059-100000@che.onthejob.net>

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Brandon Bowersox wrote:

> Sascha,
>
> CLAM has tentatively decided to suspend teaching the free programming
> classes to the public because of declining enrollment and waning
> interest over the last 3 semesters.  Instead we will focus on
> on-site training, primarily for kids, at grade schools and community
> centers.  Because of this we are considering dis-assembling the lab
> located at OJC.  We have the following questions for the IMC:
>
> -We know the IMC has lots of extra computer hardware--does the IMC
> want to hold a joint garage sale fundraiser to sell extra hardware
> from the IMC and CLAM?

The IMC has been clearing out much of its extra stuff so there isn't too
much left to sell.  That said, I'm sure we'd be willing to join on with
whatever small things we still want to get rid of.

> -Is the IMC willing to be an outlet for teaching free technology
> classes to the public--in other words, if 6 months from now a willing
> teacher and an avid group of students wanted to hold a class could
> the IMC be able provide the lab classroom space for such an event?

Certainly we would be interested in being a venue for classes.  We would
either want to work out some sort of rental agreement.  But it's something
we could definitely talk more about.

> -Also, is the IMC interested in buying or using any of lab equipment
> at CLAM or relocating part of the CLAM lab to the IMC?

This was much more easy to do back before we opened up the Middle Room Art
Gallery.  Right now space is a bit at a premium.  However, we do have
projects (for example the wireless project) that might have use for
various equipment.  We should talk more about various options.  I've also
cc-ed the various groups of the IMC (tech, space, finance, and booking) so
that everyone is on the same page.

> We're checking for tentative interest and would like to hear back in a
> few days if you have any interest.  Thanks so much,

So I guess I would like to hear more about CLAM's ideas, we would then
want to bring a proposal to the IMC Steering Group once we concretize
things a bit more.  I very much like the idea of bring technology classes
to the IMC -- I know that it is something we first talked about almost 2
years ago and this sounds like a collaboration that would benefit both the
IMC and CLAM.

--Sascha


From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Wed Oct 23 14:46:55 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Tech meeting time
Message-ID: <20021023194655.GA39443@cpopetz.com>

It turns out that the committment that made me miss the last 3 tech
meetings is now an ongoing one.  So I'd like to propose that we switch
the tech meeting time.  If we want to keep it on Wednesdays, I could
either do it at 4:45-5:15 or 7:30-8:00.  Neither conflicts with an
existing meeting, but I expect the earlier time is not good for those
with jobs.  I'm also willing to have it on a different date.

Of course, the tech group is free to continue meeting without me too
:)

			-Clint


From lewart at uiuc.edu  Wed Oct 23 15:01:05 2002
From: lewart at uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Tech meeting time
In-Reply-To: <20021023194655.GA39443@cpopetz.com>; from cpopetz@cpopetz.com on Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 03:46:55PM -0400
References: <20021023194655.GA39443@cpopetz.com>
Message-ID: <20021023150104.A3477@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu>

Clint, et al,

> It turns out that the committment that made me miss the last 3 tech
> meetings is now an ongoing one.  So I'd like to propose that we switch
> the tech meeting time.  If we want to keep it on Wednesdays, I could
> either do it at 4:45-5:15 or 7:30-8:00.  Neither conflicts with an
> existing meeting, but I expect the earlier time is not good for those
> with jobs.  I'm also willing to have it on a different date.

> Of course, the tech group is free to continue meeting without me too
> :)

My situation is that I am a sub for a Wed night CPD volleyball team.
I've been subbing for one guy who sprained his ankle, and as far as I know,
he hasn't fully recovered yet.

Wed 4:45-5:15 would never be good for me.

Cheers,
Dan


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From rebelmike at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 24 00:05:48 2002
From: rebelmike at earthlink.net (Mike Lehman)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Fix My Feature
Message-ID: <3DB77FAC.6484B297@earthlink.net>

I posted a feature for the capital campaign kickoff to the website. I
decided to simply use the UC IMC logo for the graphic, sicne i couldn't
find the picture of the outside of the building that I thought was in
the files, right at the beginning of the website.  
Despite about five attempts to turn the logo graphic into a thumbnail so
that it would appear with the feature, for some reason this is not
working for me where it has before.  I am not stuck on using the UC IMC
logo and something else more appropriate is fine with me, but can anyone
fix us a graphic for this feature that will jazz up the eye-candy here?
Mike


From k.skvorak at verizon.net  Sun Oct 27 14:36:16 2002
From: k.skvorak at verizon.net (k.skvorak)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] ucimc  site & cookies?
Message-ID: <a05001901b9e1fe5bfdc6@[67.250.82.214]>

why are you guys using cookies at your site?

i realize many are benign, but what do you need cookies for?

just curious.

regards,
kevin s
NYC IMC


From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Sun Oct 27 14:49:32 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] ucimc  site & cookies?
In-Reply-To: <a05001901b9e1fe5bfdc6@[67.250.82.214]>
References: <a05001901b9e1fe5bfdc6@[67.250.82.214]>
Message-ID: <20021027204932.GA33546@cpopetz.com>

On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 03:36:16PM -0500, k.skvorak wrote:
> why are you guys using cookies at your site?

If one creates a user account on the site, they can optionally have
the site remember their login, so that they don't have to re-type
their personal info each time they post an article.  I had thought it
would be of dubious worth, but we have several regular posters using
it.

FWIW, we didn't write the code to do it.  It's part of dada,
http://www.dadaimc.org/.

			-Clint


From promo at viafacil.net.ar  Mon Oct 28 06:36:54 2002
From: promo at viafacil.net.ar (Santiago Corona)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] RE:Información
Message-ID: <20021029013737.5D21717A49@imsahp>

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From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Tue Oct 29 01:29:38 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] various things
Message-ID: <20021029072938.GA77606@cpopetz.com>

Techies and Radio News People,

	I took field bag #2 and field bag #3 out of commision.  The
MD in one will no longer function at all unless you put physical
pressure against the case, and the MD in the other will not write a
TOC, hence you can't save changes when turning off the unit.  Also the
mic (a behringer) in the second is full of snap-crackle-pop.  

	Can I take a moment to rail on minidiscs?  I have now missed
approximately one half of all my planned recording events to date due
to MD failure.  I missed another today.  I hear horror stories daily.
Dan Chambers' audio from Jello Biafra was mostly unusable, Mark
Enslin's MD of the Palestinian Truth Tour was missing a track, etc.
Add to this that most people coming into the news group can't figure
out how to work the things, and that they seem to have a field life of
about 6 months...

	I'd like to propose something semi-radical.  I'd like to ditch
MDs in favor of analog cassette recorders.  Reasons include:

1) Cheaper
2) Ability to find non-consumer "professional" units at reasonable prices
3) Familiarity and ease of use to almost anyone
4) Cheap media
5) Most people don't use the on-unit editing that MD's offer anyway
6) Less error prone, i.e. keep the heads clean and they last a long time.
7) Units with built in mics are available, eliminating the need to
manage a mic for recording events.  (Mics still have there place, of
course.)
8) Failure modes are predictable.

The _only_ drawback I see is analog hiss, and given the audio I hear
on WEFT even on syndicated programs like Democracy Now, this is not an
issue.  People are taking 64 kbps MP3s and unencoding them, editing
them, and re-encoding them.  The hiss isn't going to hurt us for FM
broadcast, or even web MP3s.  And SoundForge knows how to remove hiss.

Thoughts?  Personally, MD's have failed me for the last time.  I'm
going to get myself either an analog tape, DAT, Hard Disk, or Solid
State recorder and take really good care of it.  But I don't think the
IMC can afford to do any of those except tape due to cost.

I know Paul R. will have a lot to say on this topic, so fire away :)

Also, my new-and-improved tech meeting time (7:30) will be un-makeable
for me this week as I have to go to WEFT for the second airshifter
class.  (Despite 6 months on the Courier, I am only now becoming
official.  Shh.)

		-Clint


From p-riism at uiuc.edu  Tue Oct 29 09:37:32 2002
From: p-riism at uiuc.edu (Paul Riismandel)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] various things
References: <20021029072938.GA77606@cpopetz.com>
Message-ID: <3DBEAB3C.7080400@uiuc.edu>

Actually, Clint, I agree with you, from the standpoint of the IMC's 
equipment not being up to the task.  But I don't actually think going 
cassette, DAT or HD recorder necessarily solves the problem in the long 
term.

Believe it or not, when the IMC was first starting up, I frequently 
encouraged people to get started with cassette recorders rather than 
minidisc, specifically because they were easier to use and super cheap.

But do not mistake -- cassette and recorders are not less prone to 
breakage. They just break in different ways.  And if not 
catastrophically broken, the cassettes themselves can often be repaired 
for one last play.

DAT is actually pretty fragile, too, unless you get the high-end $1000+ 
recorders.  Read around on Grateful Dead tapers lists to hear about the 
horror stories.  Only that happens with $600 recorders (not $150 
recorders like with MD).

Our problem is less about minidisc than about wear-and-tear and abuse. 
 We're using consumer gear in a "professional" manner.  So, as long was 
we submit inexpensive consumer gear to this kind of wear and tear at 
multiple hands, we are going to have problems.

Instead, what I'd suggest is that we save up for pro gear.  Sony makes a 
swank pro minidisc recorder for about $400 that has built in mics and is 
much sturdier than the consumer stuff we use.  WEFT has had an older one 
for years that has sustained a shitload of abuse. MD recorders in the 
$1000 range have strong XLR mic connections (as do DAT ones in that range).

My guess is that if we were to have HD recorders we'd see the same 
incidence of failure, if not more catastrophic.  The weak points would 
again be things like the 1/8" input jacks--which suck, by the way--and 
the hard disk itself.

Our set of gear has gotten us through almost two years of reporting -- 
that's pretty good considering that most of it wasn't new and how many 
different people have used it.  Perhaps we need to be thinking very 
seriously of replacing much of it with better stuff.

--Paul

Clint Popetz wrote:

>Techies and Radio News People,
>
>	I took field bag #2 and field bag #3 out of commision.  The
>MD in one will no longer function at all unless you put physical
>pressure against the case, and the MD in the other will not write a
>TOC, hence you can't save changes when turning off the unit.  Also the
>mic (a behringer) in the second is full of snap-crackle-pop.  
>
>	Can I take a moment to rail on minidiscs?  I have now missed
>approximately one half of all my planned recording events to date due
>to MD failure.  I missed another today.  I hear horror stories daily.
>Dan Chambers' audio from Jello Biafra was mostly unusable, Mark
>Enslin's MD of the Palestinian Truth Tour was missing a track, etc.
>Add to this that most people coming into the news group can't figure
>out how to work the things, and that they seem to have a field life of
>about 6 months...
>
>	I'd like to propose something semi-radical.  I'd like to ditch
>MDs in favor of analog cassette recorders.  Reasons include:
>
>1) Cheaper
>2) Ability to find non-consumer "professional" units at reasonable prices
>3) Familiarity and ease of use to almost anyone
>4) Cheap media
>5) Most people don't use the on-unit editing that MD's offer anyway
>6) Less error prone, i.e. keep the heads clean and they last a long time.
>7) Units with built in mics are available, eliminating the need to
>manage a mic for recording events.  (Mics still have there place, of
>course.)
>8) Failure modes are predictable.
>
>The _only_ drawback I see is analog hiss, and given the audio I hear
>on WEFT even on syndicated programs like Democracy Now, this is not an
>issue.  People are taking 64 kbps MP3s and unencoding them, editing
>them, and re-encoding them.  The hiss isn't going to hurt us for FM
>broadcast, or even web MP3s.  And SoundForge knows how to remove hiss.
>
>Thoughts?  Personally, MD's have failed me for the last time.  I'm
>going to get myself either an analog tape, DAT, Hard Disk, or Solid
>State recorder and take really good care of it.  But I don't think the
>IMC can afford to do any of those except tape due to cost.
>
>I know Paul R. will have a lot to say on this topic, so fire away :)
>
>Also, my new-and-improved tech meeting time (7:30) will be un-makeable
>for me this week as I have to go to WEFT for the second airshifter
>class.  (Despite 6 months on the Courier, I am only now becoming
>official.  Shh.)
>
>		-Clint
>
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>  
>



From p-riism at uiuc.edu  Tue Oct 29 15:26:33 2002
From: p-riism at uiuc.edu (Paul Riismandel)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] tech mtg wed @ 7:30
Message-ID: <3DBEFD09.1050703@uiuc.edu>

The IMC Tech group has changed its meeting to Wed at 7:30 PM, weekly.  

Now that we have survived a prolonged attack on our website, we will 
probably move back to alternating our focus week-to-week -- one week 
computers, one week a/v.  This week we'll figure out that schedule, so 
we'll be doing everything.

On our agenda this week -- maintaining, repairing, and replacing our 
recording equipment.


From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Wed Oct 30 14:42:56 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Fix My Feature
In-Reply-To: <3DB77FAC.6484B297@earthlink.net>
References: <3DB77FAC.6484B297@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20021030204256.GA62681@cpopetz.com>

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 12:05:48AM -0500, Mike Lehman wrote:
> I posted a feature for the capital campaign kickoff to the website. I
> decided to simply use the UC IMC logo for the graphic, sicne i couldn't
> find the picture of the outside of the building that I thought was in
> the files, right at the beginning of the website.  
> Despite about five attempts to turn the logo graphic into a thumbnail so
> that it would appear with the feature, for some reason this is not
> working for me where it has before.  I am not stuck on using the UC IMC
> logo and something else more appropriate is fine with me, but can anyone
> fix us a graphic for this feature that will jazz up the eye-candy here?

For future reference: thumbnails can't be created for gif files,
because the graphics library that php uses (gd) dropped support for
gif due to the Unisys LWZ patent debacle.

If you want thumbnails, you have to use jpeg or png.

				-Clint


From rebelmike at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 30 16:10:26 2002
From: rebelmike at earthlink.net (Mike Lehman)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Fix My Feature
References: <3DB77FAC.6484B297@earthlink.net> <20021030204256.GA62681@cpopetz.com>
Message-ID: <3DC058D2.1D9954CE@earthlink.net>

It also looks like pjegs don't work either. At least they aren't for
Nick Berveiler's feature.

We may want to make a note of which formats are supported on the publish
pages so that people are not disappointed and we don't continue to get
notes about why "my thumbnail's broke" (ouch!)
Mike

Clint Popetz wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 12:05:48AM -0500, Mike Lehman wrote:
> > I posted a feature for the capital campaign kickoff to the website. I
> > decided to simply use the UC IMC logo for the graphic, sicne i couldn't
> > find the picture of the outside of the building that I thought was in
> > the files, right at the beginning of the website.
> > Despite about five attempts to turn the logo graphic into a thumbnail so
> > that it would appear with the feature, for some reason this is not
> > working for me where it has before.  I am not stuck on using the UC IMC
> > logo and something else more appropriate is fine with me, but can anyone
> > fix us a graphic for this feature that will jazz up the eye-candy here?
> 
> For future reference: thumbnails can't be created for gif files,
> because the graphics library that php uses (gd) dropped support for
> gif due to the Unisys LWZ patent debacle.
> 
> If you want thumbnails, you have to use jpeg or png.
> 
>                                 -Clint


From cpopetz at cpopetz.com  Wed Oct 30 17:06:59 2002
From: cpopetz at cpopetz.com (Clint Popetz)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] MD on Mojo
Message-ID: <20021030230659.GA83443@cpopetz.com>

The MD on Mojo seems to occasionally "drop out" on playback, i.e. you
get a split second to a full second of silence during playback.  Does
anyone recognize that as a symptom of something?  Do MD players have
"cleaning" discs?

				-Clint


From p-riism at ntx1.cso.uiuc.edu  Wed Oct 30 19:05:01 2002
From: p-riism at ntx1.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Riismandel)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] MD on Mojo
Message-ID: <8E4B17545453D51187D3001083FCFBC048CE4D@ntx1.cso.uiuc.edu>

 mmm, yep. clean.

I have a cleaning disc... somewhere.  Can find at Best Buy, or minidisco.com

--Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Popetz
To: tech@ucimc.org
Sent: 10/30/2002 5:06 PM
Subject: [Imc-tech] MD on Mojo

The MD on Mojo seems to occasionally "drop out" on playback, i.e. you
get a split second to a full second of silence during playback.  Does
anyone recognize that as a symptom of something?  Do MD players have
"cleaning" discs?

				-Clint

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From rebelmike at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 31 08:48:28 2002
From: rebelmike at earthlink.net (Mike Lehman)
Date: Sun Feb  8 03:43:09 2004
Subject: [Imc-tech] Check the Website
Message-ID: <3DC142BC.C978BBA6@earthlink.net>

I've been trying to move the ridiculous voxfux story off the Local
Newswire, but something seems to be hanging up on both my machines when
I do this. I don't know if it's just me or the website is somehow
whacked this morning.
Mike