Dan, I'm going to attempt to restate the technical details- you're proposing:<br><br>- <a href="mailto:imc@lists.chambana.net">imc@lists.chambana.net</a> be reinstated as a public list, archives open, membership open to anyone<br>
-- posts to <a href="mailto:imc@lists.chambana.net">imc@lists.chambana.net</a> get forwarded to both imc-spokes@ and imc-members@<br><br>- <a href="mailto:imc-spokes@lists.chambana.net">imc-spokes@lists.chambana.net</a> gets created and used for spokes discussion. <br>
<br>You didn't mention this list, but I'm assuming--- <br>- imc-events@ which was created in october for local events posting would remain in place and is a public list anyone can join to receive updates on concerts, art exhibits, etc. happening at the IMC.<br>
<br>-CR<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:02 PM, dan blah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:blah@chambana.net">blah@chambana.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey all,<br>
<br>
Over the past few months various members have contacted me to discuss<br>
our organizations history. Very often the conversation will move<br>
towards concerns of the U-C IMC moving further and further from its<br>
original flat member empowered and controlled adhocracy to more of a<br>
centrally controlled by a few bureaucracy. Not being the active<br>
member I was, I often quickly ask for a cite of assertions on the IMC<br>
General list (<a href="mailto:imc@lists.chambana.net">imc@lists.chambana.net</a>) where the IMC's Steering Group<br>
and other working groups had been posting their minutes. This mailing<br>
list had for a decade served as the organizations most reliable<br>
historical record. Supporting that role, I tell them how important it<br>
was for me to go all the way to the beginning of that list's archive<br>
before even becoming a member. They almost always state their<br>
intentions to do the same after being told it contains the public<br>
notes on how the U-C IMC got its name, who's basement the first<br>
meetings were in, and all the other eclectic blocks that built up to<br>
the building we all enjoy now.<br>
<br>
For me and others who were not part of those early chapters of the U-C<br>
IMC, having the history there to read, review, and build onto formed<br>
the core of how we developed our sense of ownership of the U-C IMC.<br>
In this current time at the U-C IMC where many of the founding members<br>
and past active members have moved on, access to this history takes on<br>
an even greater importance. Unfortunately, that history is no longer<br>
available to the public or even most members. Currently, it is only<br>
available to 35 U-C IMC members.<br>
<br>
Thanks to the IMC-Tech folks catching me up, I understand why the list<br>
is currently private and I am partly at fault for failing to focus on<br>
the discussion when it took place last year. All that aside, current<br>
active local U-C IMC members are still asking me questions about our<br>
history and now I have no way to cite my knowledge and they have no<br>
way to learn as much as they want and should be able to about the U-C<br>
IMC. To maintain one of the core tenants of being an Indymedia<br>
Independent Media Center that embodies so much more than just being a<br>
community center, those archives and future notes and discussions that<br>
define our organization must be available to all members and the<br>
public. I propose that we re-open up the archives that were public<br>
for nearly a decade and continue to ensure Steering and all other<br>
working group minutes continue to be public (as they also were for the<br>
same decade) while respecting and ensuring those needs that lead to<br>
its privatization remain met.<br>
<br>
The technical problems around this make the practical implementation<br>
of this a bit tricky. I apologize, the rest of this is a little<br>
geeky. As Bob proposed in October, instead of re-purposing the imc@<br>
mailing list to be the private spokes and core member only list it is<br>
now, an imc-spokes@ mailing list should have been created and used for<br>
this purpose. My assumption is that there was concern about the imc@<br>
being the most common way people contact the U-C IMC and because of<br>
this it was easiest to just restrict the imc@ list associated with<br>
that alias. What I would have proposed is that the imc@ address via<br>
aliasing be forwarded to an imc-spokes@ mailing list and the old<br>
public imc@ mailing list be accessible by emailing imc-members@. This<br>
would've preserved the highly search indexed public imc@ mailing list<br>
archives, allowed a public list for recording as in the past, and<br>
allowed a restricted private list for more internal functions. I<br>
propose that we do this now. The main issue to this at this point is<br>
moving those private messages currently on the imc@ mailing list to<br>
the new imc-spokes@ mailing list and combining the imc-members@<br>
mailing list with the older busier imc@ mailing list.<br>
<br>
All members, lets discuss! IMC-Tech Group members, please lets<br>
discuss what holes exist in my tech proposal on the IMC-Tech Group<br>
list.<br>
<br>
In solidarity,<br>
--<br>
Dan Blah<br>
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