<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi,<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>No objection to the end of that mailing list.</div><div><br></div><div> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Here, though, are some reminders / background for any who might be interested in getting notification of PayPal transactions, or generating _automatic_ responses to certain kinds of Paypal transactions.</div><div><br></div><div> I have Paypal send me IPN (Instant Payment Notification) messages whenever UCIMC Paypal transactions take place -- Paypal contacts our server, which runs a script to generate appropriate emails. You can get some or all of these emails too, if you want. There is no spam, but a good number of events (payments, but also cancellations, pay attempt failures, etc.), order of 100 - 200 per month, half that if you don't count debug messages. I set this system up years back since, as Mike mentions, the Paypal email notifications have in the past worked unreliably, or simply not worked at all for stretches of many months (with this acknowledged by PayPal tech support at the time). In addition to the always-reliable IPN notifications, the standard Paypal email notifications for <a href="mailto:thebikeproject@gmail.com">thebikeproject@gmail.com</a> on the UCIMC Paypal account have actually been working pretty reliably the last year or two; the Bike Project payment notifications are sent to <a href="mailto:thebikeproject@gmail.com">thebikeproject@gmail.com</a>, which forwards to our nine-person steering committee.</div><div><br></div><div> IPN mail details, for those interested: I auto-screen out a few classes of IPN events for closer attention. Most relevant here, "Completed" transactions (i.e. actual payments), separated further into Bike Project and non-Bike Project. All the IPN mails have a leading "[IPN]" for easy sorting out of one's Inbox.</div><div><br></div><div> Even more detail: I'm using a prefix to "Item Number" to identify Bike Project items</div><div>This prefix is "2000-'. Over last four years, no other other UCIMC groups have used the Item Number field (i.e. are leaving it blank). If anyone wants to start using "Item Number", just choose another 4-digit integer + hypen for prefix, and let me, IMC-Tech, and Joy know. </div><div> For those reading this mail in future to diagnose tech problems: the IPN notification is effectively one-way, it never stops Paypal transactions from happening due to problems with notification processing; notifications are sent from Paypal after a transaction/event takes place. There's a confirmation step, but only can effect the notification, not the originating transaction.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>On generating automatic responses with IPN and Item Numbers:</div><div> I use the IPN messages, Item Numbers, and Paypal transaction-type codes to send out the automatic "Welcome to The Bike Project" and "How to stop your auto-renewing subscription" emails when someone signs up for a Bike Project Paypal membership subscription. Other groups could do the same, or similar, with new signups, end-of-subscription notifications or other types of messages.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Barry</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Mike Lehman wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div> Chris,<br>Thank you, thank you, thank you!<br>Mike<br>[who didn't want to sort through 7000+ or whatever many were uselessly in that cubbyhole]<br><br>On 9/17/2010 6:32 PM, Chris Ritzo wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Finally got around to removing the IMC-Paypal list. I did make a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">backup in case you want it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chris<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Mike Lehman<rebelmike@.net> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Since it's been nothing but a nuisance, I'd say it's easier just to pull<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the plug.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mike Lehman<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 9/10/2010 1:41 PM, Chris Ritzo wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So it was intended to really only receive email from one address- the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">official paypal notification? and then of course send to a list of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">folks who might login to check.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If that's still useful, perhaps we could reconfigure the list to only<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">take messages from that specific address.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">OF course if you want to just drop the list, I'll go ahead with that.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-Chris<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Mike Lehman<<a href="mailto:rebelmike@earthlink.net">rebelmike@earthlink.net</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Who? Just me, AFAIK, at this point, but I've turned off getting notices<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">myself. It originally was simply a means to notify Finance and fiscally<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">sponsored groups when Paypal funds arrived. Over the years, whatever hack<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">applied to send the email notifications became obsolete and we gradually<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">got<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to the point where most Paypal funds did not generate a proper notice<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">when<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">submitted.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The info on it, even when it worked, was all duplicated inside our Paypal<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">account, so it is no actual consequence to Finance. And our fiscally<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">sponsored groups haven't used it in some time.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What's happened is the any email with "paypal" as part of the address<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">attracts lazy scammers, who think that they're finally going to find a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">sap<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">at the other end of the line, despite ten of thousands of previous<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">attempts<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">at exactly the same thing having failed. There no way that it's worth<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">moderating the 1,000s of spams to find the one or two legitimate<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">notifications that are valid.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It needs to have the archive preserved, but to quit accepting any new<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mail.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mike Lehman<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 9/10/2010 6:26 AM, Chris Ritzo wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">who is on it and what was it's original intent?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Mike Lehman<<a href="mailto:rebelmike@earthlink.net">rebelmike@earthlink.net</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> We discussed shutting down the IMC-Paypal list, but that never got any<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">further. We're up to 5,000+ messages held in there and the error<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">messages<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">this generates everyday to IMC-Info are up to 800kb.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Just saying,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mike Lehman<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">IMC-Tech mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-tech">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-tech</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Imc-bookkeeper mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Imc-bookkeeper@lists.chambana.net">Imc-bookkeeper@lists.chambana.net</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-bookkeeper">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-bookkeeper</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Imc-bookkeeper mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Imc-bookkeeper@lists.chambana.net">Imc-bookkeeper@lists.chambana.net</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-bookkeeper">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-bookkeeper</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>IMC-Tech mailing list<br><a href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a><br>http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-tech<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; 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