Hi Josh,<br><br>Thanks for your thoughts. This is a lot more complicated than I'd like it to be. <br><br>I definitely understand your desire for "structural correctness." It's actually the same desire that caused my desire to clarify the IMC/RFU relationship. Quick membership story: When I got to the IMC, RFU memberships were $25 and (required, but un-enforced) IMC memberships were $50. As a consequence of the separation, as well as the failure of RFU leadership to articulate the necessity of IMC memberships, many RFU members were paying the IMC $0 dollars, creating a kind of fundraising loophole for the RFU, where they could bring in the dough without having to shell out to its parent organization (i.e. the IMC). <br>
<br>So I combined the two, since RFU is still technically a working group of the IMC and thus IMC members. So now folks pay $75 for an RFU/IMC membership. This is helpful in certain ways, but obviously creates somewhat of a shitshow for those of us devoted to representing "structural correctness."<br>
<br>I'm not sure what to do next. Let me keep thinking. Any thoughts?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Austin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Josh King <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:josh@ucimc.org">josh@ucimc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Austin,<br>
<br>
The reason at the time for establishing two different memberships was,<br>
at the time, trying to cause the CiviCRM database as closely as possible<br>
reflect the organizational structure of the IMC and related<br>
organizations. My reasoning was that, since RFU requires its own<br>
membership payments, that it might make sense to have a different<br>
'container' for that, since they could change their membership fees,<br>
periods, and requirements independently of the rest of the IMC. Also, I<br>
wanted allow for the possibility that RFU could appoint someone to<br>
manage their own membership stuff, and that we might want to have a<br>
separate set of permissions and accounts for that.<br>
<br>
That said, this was mainly on the basis of what seemed like a good idea<br>
to me at the time. Most of the use cases I mentioned above have never<br>
come to pass, and CiviCRM is pretty flexible; you should be able to<br>
change how it's structured if you find it easier to work with. One<br>
person's perceived structural correctness is another person's<br>
complicated pain in the ass.<br>
<br>
As a recommendation though, you might have to add a lot of additional<br>
membership types to the IMC organization in CiviCRM if you want to do<br>
away with the RFU organization. For instance, I'm not sure how to handle<br>
when, say, someone has a lifetime membership to the IMC and a recurring<br>
RFU membership without having separate memberships. Maybe that's not a<br>
concern. But if it is, you might want to try and stick with or refine<br>
the existing structure rather than alter it significantly. Whatever's<br>
easiest for you.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On 01/12/2011 02:34 PM, Austin McCann wrote:<br>
> Hi folks,<br>
><br>
> Chris: in CiviCRM, we currently have two membership options, WRFU and<br>
> IMC. But really those are one and the same in a way. If you're an RFU<br>
> member, you /must /be an IMC member. And I've aided that process to the<br>
> extent that the new membership forms, which include IMC memberships w/<br>
> RFU memberships, are able to. But right now I'm having to create<br>
> different memberships for individuals, even though their payment comes<br>
> as one lump sum. Is there a way/reason to get rid of the WRFU membership<br>
> on CiviCRM and replace it with a group/tag of RFU (which I just created)?<br>
><br>
> --<br>
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