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    Leon,<br>
    The answer is that yes, Tech is its own entity. That's the meaning
    of autonomy. Tech sets its policies based on the resources available
    to it, the time available and the priorities it needs to set to
    accomplish the mission-critical parts of its work.<br>
    <br>
    True, we need to be better about communicating this to each other.
    Brian probably should've noted that the old CRT monitor (I think
    that's what we're talking about, right?)&nbsp; should go to the recycling
    pile. Not a big deal, so we shouldn't make a big deal of it. I think
    we have an understanding of the concerns now and have a proposed
    solution. Recycling is one more thing that Tech shouldn't be
    burdened with. Agreed that an opportunity was missed to come up with
    a solution, but we have it now.<br>
    <br>
    If we need an example to understand, here's one. We all know about
    the endless stream of requests Finance gets. A lot of this ends up
    being someone supposing Finance should do things we don't. For
    instance, fundraising or knowing info the working group knows but
    doesn't bother communicating to Finance. Finance doesn't do
    fundraising, per se, but does support fundraising. <br>
    <br>
    Finance also can't read the minds of people. People wonder why we
    don't have what they think we should, like complete record of
    donations and transactions. We have the funds and can account for
    them to the best of our ability, but we often don't have the other
    info UNLESS working groups take the necessary action of following
    their funds and transactions regularly and crosschecking the monthly
    reports. Heck, it goes on for years and then people wonder why
    Finance doesn't have every cent broken down the way they want it
    when they finally get around to checking on this?<br>
    <br>
    Like everything else at the IMC, Finance and Tech rely on a
    cooperative effort with other elements of the IMC and with each
    other to make things work. If that cooperation and coordination
    doesn't happen we can't really force people to do what someone
    believes they should have done first, although we usually figure it
    out. <br>
    <br>
    Please everyone, be patient with each other and don't assume what
    the other is supposed to be doing is what you think they should be
    doing. Talk with each other and we'll figure this out.<br>
    Mike Lehman<br>
    <br>
    On 4/15/2011 12:19 PM, leon mcgee wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:BANLkTikaP=2i7GqZt_Eidk2ZYM9qj4mc9A@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Sorry I was just following what someone told me to do.
      And I did. I told Brian where they came from and he said nothing.
      So what am I suppose to do? And I am confused, are you with the
      IMC or your own entity? Is it working groups and IMC or is it the
      working groups are the IMC? Meaning if working groups are there
      own entity, then they should be treated like that.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Never the less this to me is the most out of ordered place. I
      don't understand. If the IMC (like most building should), has its
      own tech crew from the beginning then why is there a problem? And
      if working groups ie tech is not technically IMC tech support then
      we need to hire are own. Cause when something needs fixing,
      sometimes wait for tech is not OK.<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Chris
        Ritzo <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:chris.ritzo@gmail.com">chris.ritzo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
        wrote:<br>
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          Mike: <br>
          My mistake about saying "finance"- I agree that this was
          confusing. Brian noticed that the monitor had been replaced,
          which isn't the same thing. <br>
          <br>
          Leon:<br>
          I agree, it was placed by "Tech" and is IMC property. That
          doesn't mean you can just move it somewhere without asking
          first, and/or communicating about it. <br>
          <br>
          A more general inter-group solution is ideal. There will
          always be stuff that breaks and need to be recycled or
          trashed. <br>
          <br>
          Tech donations have always been a staple of the IMC- using
          stuff that's free or fixing what's broken. Tech just doesn't
          have the capacity to do this for every working group anymore.
          We will still maintain what we've put in place- the public
          computer lab &amp; machines people use. But groups should
          really start thinking about building technology costs into
          grant proposals and budgets.<br>
          <br>
          If there are any tech donations that people want to make,
          please direct them to me or to Brian before accepting
          anything. I realize that sometimes people just "drop stuff
          off", and we can't stop that. Honestly, I think we have an
          established donation pipeline from Parkland, so we really
          don't need to accept any tech donations right now, outside of
          special needs- for instance - a brand new, network laser
          printer might be nice..<br>
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            <br>
            Chris</font>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:29 AM,
                Mike Lehman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:rebelmike@earthlink.net"
                    target="_blank">rebelmike@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Chris,<br>
                    I agree, absolutely not a Tech responsibility, but
                    it is a general IMC need.<br>
                    <br>
                    A spot for IMC electronics recycling is a great
                    idea. I hesitate to use Room 26, because it will
                    tend to fill before something's done about it.<br>
                    BT,DT <span><span> :-) </span></span><br>
                    <br>
                    Maybe it would be best to hold this sort of stuff in
                    either the boiler room or the janitor room, as we
                    already hold bulbs for recycling there? That way it
                    won't be totally out of sight, out of mine and will
                    remind us that it needs to go when a critical mass
                    is reached and an event is upcoming.<br>
                    <br>
                    Leon,<br>
                    I know this stuff will sort of be in the way once
                    there's very much accumulated, but that's the point
                    -- to remind us it needs to leave then. Does this
                    sound like it can work? Maybe stack it under the
                    duct area at the north end of the janitor room?<br>
                    <br>
                    Then the designated spot for electronic recycling
                    could be by the door to the janitor room, which
                    would also be less in the way in the hall that at
                    Room 26. And since you're in there almost daily, it
                    could be moved into the janitor room spot to await
                    the next recycling run.<br>
                    Mike
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                      <div><br>
                        <br>
                        On 4/15/2011 10:17 AM, Chris Ritzo wrote: </div>
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                        <div>Tech is not interested in the printer.
                          Also, Brian informed me that Finance replaced
                          the program director's monitor and that the
                          old CRT was taken to the Makerspace without
                          informing us. I've asked Brian to bring it
                          back upstairs.<br>
                          <br>
                          Tech will help other groups find appropriate
                          means of recycling non-functioning, or
                          upgraded equipment. A prime example is when
                          Jay Schubert &amp; I hauled all the old crap
                          out of room 26 when there was a recycling
                          event on campus. <br>
                          <br>
                          What we won't do is be every group's storage
                          dumping ground for equipment you feel isn't
                          working or needs replaced. Taking the monitor
                          to Makerspace without telling anyone is a good
                          example of this. This type of thing can easily
                          take over Tech's time. Time we could be
                          spending working on the really awesome stuff
                          that is getting mentioned by our board members
                          at a national level. We are not the IMC's
                          electronics recycler.<br>
                          <br>
                          I'd like to suggest that the finance sub-group
                          which deals with building space issues
                          designate a place for non-functioning computer
                          equipment that needs to be recycled by all
                          working groups and issue communications about
                          that so that folks know what to do with it.
                          Maybe that's room 26. When a recycling
                          opportunity presents itself, tech will pitch
                          in to help, but it should probably be
                          coordinated with the building manager.<br>
                          <br>
                          Chris<br>
                          <br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 15, 2011
                            at 10:01 AM, Mike Lehman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:rebelmike@earthlink.net"
                                target="_blank">rebelmike@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span>
                            wrote:<br>
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                              <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> I
                                kind of think it's just good for a boat
                                anchor -- and the IMC doesn't own a
                                boat, yet.<br>
                                <br>
                                I'm cc-ing this to Tech in case they
                                have an interest in it (or Makerspace
                                maybe?) for parts. etc.<br>
                                <br>
                                Otherwise, recycle it once Tech has had
                                a chance to weigh in.<br>
                                Mike<br>
                                <br>
                                On 4/15/2011 9:53 AM, leon mcgee wrote:
                                <blockquote type="cite">Kristina had
                                  brought this up to me, and I was
                                  wondering the same thing, that if the
                                  dell printer is no longer staying with
                                  us, do we recycle it, give to tech to
                                  use for parts, have it star in Office
                                  Space 2 Revenge of The Printer?<br>
                                  -- <br>
                                  Building Coordinator<br>
                                  Leon McGee<br>
                                  202 S Broadway<br>
                                  Urbana, IL 61801<br>
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