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Leon,<br>
Yes, set the Dell aside for recycling in the janitor room.<br>
Mike Lehman<br>
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On 4/19/2011 12:11 PM, leon mcgee wrote:
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cite="mid:BANLkTin55dZseqNqcyT1sVT3t1c5=tzAvg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">The original message was thrown left field. Tech does
not want the printer, so is it a go to get rid of the dell
printer?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Mike
Lehman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rebelmike@earthlink.net">rebelmike@earthlink.net</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Leon,<br>
The answer is that yes, Tech is its own entity. That's the
meaning of autonomy. Tech sets its policies based on the
resources available to it, the time available and the
priorities it needs to set to accomplish the
mission-critical parts of its work.<br>
<br>
True, we need to be better about communicating this to each
other. Brian probably should've noted that the old CRT
monitor (I think that's what we're talking about, right?)
should go to the recycling pile. Not a big deal, so we
shouldn't make a big deal of it. I think we have an
understanding of the concerns now and have a proposed
solution. Recycling is one more thing that Tech shouldn't be
burdened with. Agreed that an opportunity was missed to come
up with a solution, but we have it now.<br>
<br>
If we need an example to understand, here's one. We all know
about the endless stream of requests Finance gets. A lot of
this ends up being someone supposing Finance should do
things we don't. For instance, fundraising or knowing info
the working group knows but doesn't bother communicating to
Finance. Finance doesn't do fundraising, per se, but does
support fundraising. <br>
<br>
Finance also can't read the minds of people. People wonder
why we don't have what they think we should, like complete
record of donations and transactions. We have the funds and
can account for them to the best of our ability, but we
often don't have the other info UNLESS working groups take
the necessary action of following their funds and
transactions regularly and crosschecking the monthly
reports. Heck, it goes on for years and then people wonder
why Finance doesn't have every cent broken down the way they
want it when they finally get around to checking on this?<br>
<br>
Like everything else at the IMC, Finance and Tech rely on a
cooperative effort with other elements of the IMC and with
each other to make things work. If that cooperation and
coordination doesn't happen we can't really force people to
do what someone believes they should have done first,
although we usually figure it out. <br>
<br>
Please everyone, be patient with each other and don't assume
what the other is supposed to be doing is what you think
they should be doing. Talk with each other and we'll figure
this out.<br>
<font color="#888888"> Mike Lehman</font>
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On 4/15/2011 12:19 PM, leon mcgee wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Sorry I was just following what
someone told me to do. And I did. I told Brian where
they came from and he said nothing. So what am I
suppose to do? And I am confused, are you with the IMC
or your own entity? Is it working groups and IMC or is
it the working groups are the IMC? Meaning if working
groups are there own entity, then they should be
treated like that.<br>
<br>
<br>
Never the less this to me is the most out of ordered
place. I don't understand. If the IMC (like most
building should), has its own tech crew from the
beginning then why is there a problem? And if working
groups ie tech is not technically IMC tech support
then we need to hire are own. Cause when something
needs fixing, sometimes wait for tech is not OK.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:23
AM, Chris Ritzo <span dir="ltr"><<a
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204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Mike: <br>
My mistake about saying "finance"- I agree that
this was confusing. Brian noticed that the monitor
had been replaced, which isn't the same thing. <br>
<br>
Leon:<br>
I agree, it was placed by "Tech" and is IMC
property. That doesn't mean you can just move it
somewhere without asking first, and/or
communicating about it. <br>
<br>
A more general inter-group solution is ideal.
There will always be stuff that breaks and need to
be recycled or trashed. <br>
<br>
Tech donations have always been a staple of the
IMC- using stuff that's free or fixing what's
broken. Tech just doesn't have the capacity to do
this for every working group anymore. We will
still maintain what we've put in place- the public
computer lab & machines people use. But groups
should really start thinking about building
technology costs into grant proposals and budgets.<br>
<br>
If there are any tech donations that people want
to make, please direct them to me or to Brian
before accepting anything. I realize that
sometimes people just "drop stuff off", and we
can't stop that. Honestly, I think we have an
established donation pipeline from Parkland, so we
really don't need to accept any tech donations
right now, outside of special needs- for instance
- a brand new, network laser printer might be
nice..<br>
<font color="#888888"> <br>
Chris</font>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 15, 2011
at 10:29 AM, Mike Lehman <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:rebelmike@earthlink.net"
target="_blank">rebelmike@earthlink.net</a>></span>
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Chris,<br>
I agree, absolutely not a Tech
responsibility, but it is a general IMC
need.<br>
<br>
A spot for IMC electronics recycling is
a great idea. I hesitate to use Room 26,
because it will tend to fill before
something's done about it.<br>
BT,DT <span><span> :-) </span></span><br>
<br>
Maybe it would be best to hold this sort
of stuff in either the boiler room or
the janitor room, as we already hold
bulbs for recycling there? That way it
won't be totally out of sight, out of
mine and will remind us that it needs to
go when a critical mass is reached and
an event is upcoming.<br>
<br>
Leon,<br>
I know this stuff will sort of be in the
way once there's very much accumulated,
but that's the point -- to remind us it
needs to leave then. Does this sound
like it can work? Maybe stack it under
the duct area at the north end of the
janitor room?<br>
<br>
Then the designated spot for electronic
recycling could be by the door to the
janitor room, which would also be less
in the way in the hall that at Room 26.
And since you're in there almost daily,
it could be moved into the janitor room
spot to await the next recycling run.<br>
Mike
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On 4/15/2011 10:17 AM, Chris Ritzo
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<div>Tech is not interested in the
printer. Also, Brian informed me
that Finance replaced the program
director's monitor and that the
old CRT was taken to the
Makerspace without informing us.
I've asked Brian to bring it back
upstairs.<br>
<br>
Tech will help other groups find
appropriate means of recycling
non-functioning, or upgraded
equipment. A prime example is when
Jay Schubert & I hauled all
the old crap out of room 26 when
there was a recycling event on
campus. <br>
<br>
What we won't do is be every
group's storage dumping ground for
equipment you feel isn't working
or needs replaced. Taking the
monitor to Makerspace without
telling anyone is a good example
of this. This type of thing can
easily take over Tech's time. Time
we could be spending working on
the really awesome stuff that is
getting mentioned by our board
members at a national level. We
are not the IMC's electronics
recycler.<br>
<br>
I'd like to suggest that the
finance sub-group which deals with
building space issues designate a
place for non-functioning computer
equipment that needs to be
recycled by all working groups and
issue communications about that so
that folks know what to do with
it. Maybe that's room 26. When a
recycling opportunity presents
itself, tech will pitch in to
help, but it should probably be
coordinated with the building
manager.<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri,
Apr 15, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mike
Lehman <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rebelmike@earthlink.net"
target="_blank">rebelmike@earthlink.net</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff"
text="#000000"> I kind of
think it's just good for a
boat anchor -- and the IMC
doesn't own a boat, yet.<br>
<br>
I'm cc-ing this to Tech in
case they have an interest
in it (or Makerspace maybe?)
for parts. etc.<br>
<br>
Otherwise, recycle it once
Tech has had a chance to
weigh in.<br>
Mike<br>
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On 4/15/2011 9:53 AM, leon
mcgee wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Kristina
had brought this up to me,
and I was wondering the
same thing, that if the
dell printer is no longer
staying with us, do we
recycle it, give to tech
to use for parts, have it
star in Office Space 2
Revenge of The Printer?<br>
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