Mike, <br>While setting these passwords, I thought of a way we can share these passwords between admins until some other solution is put into place. Documenting on the IMC wiki.<br><br>I've made a page on the Finance wiki section as an example: <a href="http://wiki.ucimc.org/bin/view/Finance/ListeservInformation">http://wiki.ucimc.org/bin/view/Finance/ListeservInformation</a><br>
<br>Wiki topics can be restricted to be only viewable by folks in the group, and the login and password to acecss the wiki is provided by our central account service at <a href="http://accounts.chambana.net">http://accounts.chambana.net</a><br>
<br>So in theory, as long as current list admins maintain access to their central <a href="http://chambana.net">chambana.net</a> account, and the group documents the shared admin and/or moderator passwords on the group's wiki pages, multiple admins can share the responsibility of admining the lists.<br>
<br>This is a proposed solution of course, & groups should do what works best for them.<br><br>Chris<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Chris Ritzo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris.ritzo@gmail.com">chris.ritzo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Another part of the issue here is that we all could do a better job of passing admin information along as people change within working groups. Tech has thankfully done a much better job of that recently so we actually have had knowledge/info transfer when folks move into new roles.<br>
<br>We can certainly look into more robust listserv software, or modifying/upgrading what we have to support the needs of the collective. That being said, Mike, your comments in this thread about things not working are the first tech has really heard about lists not working or barriers to shared administration for new people. We can help by providing new people with information on how the current setup works and mentor them as new moderators/admins. We need to spend the FTF time necessary for these core issues. <br>
<br>I'll reset the admin password for the lists you mentioned. You and the other listed admins will receive an email with the new password. For the forseeable future though, admins will need to share a common list password per list. <br>
<br>I think that keeping the master password private to IMC Tech folks is paramount at this point. If it facilitates more communication between members who are actively administering/moderating lists, I think that's a good thing. I'm sure that sharing the master list password was done out of convenience, but it's clearly been shared too widely. I recognize the need for individualized password and will work on that but for security purposes we just can't be sharing the master list password for regular list administering anymore.<br>
<br>Maybe we need to have a Mailman list admin/moderator training? Mike would you be willing to help with that? While it's tough to get people in a room together sometimes, it would facilitate current list admins communicating how to properly admin lists and how often.<br>
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<br>Chris</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Mike Lehman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rebelmike@earthlink.net" target="_blank">rebelmike@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Chris,<br>
No problem, except I'm going to need PWs for the following lists:<br>
IMC-Bookkeeper<br>
IMC-Production<br>
IMC-Fundraising<br>
<br>
There are probably more, but I'll note those as needed.<br>
<br>
How we found ourselves here is instructive. I ended up with the
uber-PW -- I suspect -- is because of the multiple admin requests
that needed to be made to the person who gave it to me (note that I
did not ask for it.) Now, part of this is due to the list
proliferation of the early years -- a list for everything and
everything in its place. <br>
<br>
But the main reason this happened is because current list software
doesn't accommodate multiple admins/mods who each have personalized
PWs that are useful across multiple lists. Instead, each list is
stuck with sharing a specific list PW, which has to be coordinated
among whoever is associated with each list.<br>
<br>
I know at one time there was some discussion about an update to the
list software that could accommodate indvidualized admin/mod PW
across multiple lists. Not sure about the status of that now.<br>
<br>
I do know that dealing with multiple PWs that need to be managed and
disseminated across diverse groups of people associated with each
list is a PITA, even when one has plenty of time on one's hands. I
share your concern about limiting access to the site code and agree
that this needed tightening up. Don't mind not having it, as it's
easier to direct people to the Tech list than to actually assist
them.<br>
<br>
But I fear we've left the same situation in place that led to me
ending up with that code in the first place. Eventually, a
different, better solution is needed to the way PWs are handled. I'm
sure we'll muddle along until then, but some sort of better solution
needs to be made. We simply don't sit F2F enough anymore to make
sharing one PW really viable in most cases, which is going to lead
to a lot of frustration and people avoiding helping with admin/mod
tasks that see them unwilling to take on the burden of managing
multiple PWs like we do now. Then there's just a few of us to handle
everything, which is where we're stuck at now. <br>
<br>
In my own case, I'm doing my best to slip this work to others, but
that's not been happening as fast as I'd like it to. The marginal PW
management capabilities of the current software will only slow that
further because it discourages people from getting involved and
complicates the admin/mod experience when anyone has more than one
list to manage.<br><font color="#888888">
Mike</font><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
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On 9/23/2011 8:10 PM, Chris Ritzo wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Mike, Andrew,<br>
<br>
I did update the master site mailman password recently which I
don't plan to disseminate outside IMC-tech members who are
actively needed to have blanket access across all lists. <br>
<br>
I'm happy however to set the list admin password for any that's
needed. Mike is correct that there is one admin password per list
that is to be shared among list admins. Here's a list of the
existing lists for RFU:<br>
<br>
<table width="100%" border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/rfu" target="_blank"><b>RFU</b></a></td>
<td>Radio Free Urbana mail list</td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="#dddddd">
<td><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/rfu-automation" target="_blank"><b>rfu-automation</b></a></td>
<td>rfu automation, traffic, and music</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/rfu-finance" target="_blank"><b>Rfu-finance</b></a></td>
<td>WRFU Budget/Fundraising Working Group</td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="#dddddd">
<td><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/rfu-membership" target="_blank"><b>rfu-membership</b></a></td>
<td>RFU Membership and Training</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/rfu-outreach" target="_blank"><b>Rfu-outreach</b></a></td>
<td>Fundraising and Outreach effort</td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="#dddddd">
<td><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/rfu-schedule" target="_blank"><b>Rfu-schedule</b></a></td>
<td>Administrative list for WRFU schedule working group</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/rfu-station" target="_blank"><b>Rfu-station</b></a></td>
<td>RFU Official Station Communications</td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="#dddddd">
<td><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/rfu-tech" target="_blank"><b>rfu-tech</b></a></td>
<td>RFU Technical</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<br>
I'll change the RFU list admin password and any others you need.
When the password is changed, the current list admins will be
emailed the password automatically by mailman.<br>
<br>
Regarding deactivation of inactive lists, we generally don't do
anything unless the list admins let us know to do so. <br>
If there's anything else needed just let us know.<br>
<br>
-Chris<br>
<br>
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Mike Lehman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rebelmike@earthlink.net" target="_blank">rebelmike@earthlink.net</a>></span>
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Hi Andrew,<br>
Yes, Chris updated the site-wide PW recently. I actually don't
have one myself, although have requested the new one, as I
have roughly half-a-dozen lists I admin and regularly have
people (You!:-) ) come to me to fix things for them. I know
that they have been updating list-specific PWs on request, but
I've been laying low and so far watching for critical stuff
hasn't yielded the need to do that for the multiple lists I
deal with, which could get complicated.<br>
<br>
Chris,<br>
Can you advise what you want to do to help Andrew out. I know
we're probably wisely constraining the renewed site-wide PW,
but Andrew at least needs access to RFU.<br>
<br>
Also, don't know if it's relevant, but I think we're still
stuck with a single specific PW per list, right? If that's the
case, then we'll have to coordinate its dissemination with
RFU, which can be dicey -- or maybe Andrew can get it and
notify those who also need to know it about the change?<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
On 9/23/2011 4:43 PM, Dr Andrew Ó Baoill wrote:<br>
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Mike,<br>
<br>
Not sure who to contact about this, and hoping you can throw
it onward to someone who can deal with it.<br>
<br>
In the past week or two I've been unable to access the RFU
mailing list to administer it. It seems the master password,
which I'd been using to access mailing list administration,
has been changed (probably not a bad thing). However, I'm
not sure of the list-specific password I can use to log in
and moderate posts.<br>
<br>
Thanks for your help.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
Dr. Andrew Ó Baoill<br>
<a href="mailto:andrew@funferal.org" target="_blank">andrew@funferal.org</a><br>
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