<div dir="ltr">thanks. So until that time, do you recommend <b>Mung From</b> or <b>Wrap Message</b> setting for<i> from_is_list</i>?<div><br></div><div>- Jay</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Josh King <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jking@chambana.net" target="_blank">jking@chambana.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I upgraded mailman late last night, apologies for needing time to do a<br>
little additional research.<br>
<br>
The options are now permitted under General Options in list<br>
administration. I figure I'll leave it up to you guys to experiment with<br>
the settings you want for from_is_list, unless you want me to do it,<br>
which is fine too. Mailman seems to recommend that we set up DKIM<br>
signing for domains for which we enable munging. I had been planning on<br>
setting this up at some point anyway, but I likely won't get to it until<br>
at least this weekend.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On 05/06/2014 11:58 AM, Stuart Levy wrote:<br>
> Yes, thank you, having that 2.1.16 from_is_list workaround, even though<br>
> imperfect, would be a great relief!<br>
><br>
> And, thanks, too, for pursuing hotmail. Blast them.<br>
><br>
> On 5/6/14 9:28 AM, Josh King wrote:<br>
>> Actually, it looks like there is a (not as good) DMARC workaround in<br>
>> 2.1.16. I'm going to try updating to that in order to try it out, and<br>
>> see if that will allow us to get around Yahoo until 2.1.18 ends up in<br>
>> the repositories officially.<br>
>><br>
>> On 05/06/2014 10:25 AM, Josh King wrote:<br>
>>> Thanks for tracking down this issue. Unfortunately the newest version<br>
>>> of Mailman available for Debian (even unstable) is 2.1.16. We do have<br>
>>> our own apt repository, though. I'll see if I can roll an updated dpkg,<br>
>>> though it'll be a little risky. It's pretty ridiculous of Yahoo to do<br>
>>> this.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Btw, I've applied for hotmail delisting twice, but gotten just<br>
>>> automated messages repeating the nonsense about namespace mining that<br>
>>> shows up in the logs anyway. I'm currently looking at whether I can<br>
>>> switch just the mailinglists to a different IP in our allocation to<br>
>>> work around it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue 06 May 2014 07:25:18 AM EDT, Jay Schubert wrote:<br>
>>>> I can't do the mailman upgraded, but I will mention that BTP really<br>
>>>> needs this fixed. We're dead in the water with our three lists until<br>
>>>> this is resolved.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Stuart Levy <<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Dear IMC Tech people,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'm sorry to bother you again, but am wondering if you can help<br>
>>>> with this, or if I can, or both.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Having read last month that Yahoo's DMARC mail trust settings were<br>
>>>> breaking mailing lists including the IETF's own -<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html" target="_blank">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html</a><br>
>>>> ... I wondered why it wasn't happening here. Well, it is.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The effect is that, when a Yahoo user writes to an IMC mailing<br>
>>>> list which has other Yahoo users as non-digest recipients, all of<br>
>>>> them - sender and receivers - get bounce messages. The receivers<br>
>>>> get fatal bounces which immediately suspend them from the list.<br>
>>>> This is happening now.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There are workarounds for this in the latest version of Mailman,<br>
>>>> 2.1.18, released just this last weekend --<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> release notes here:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-May/076787.html" target="_blank">https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-May/076787.html</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> including this:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> [...] a new Privacy options -> Sender filters -> dmarc_moderation_action<br>
>>>> feature which applies to list messages where the From: address is in a<br>
>>>> domain which publishes a DMARC policy of reject or possibly quarantine.<br>
>>>> This is a list setting with values of Accept, Wrap Message, Munge From, Reject or Discard.<br>
>>>> There is a new DEFAULT_DMARC_MODERATION_ACTION configuration setting to set the<br>
>>>> default for this, and the list admin UI is not able to set an action<br>
>>>> which is 'less' than the default.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> What would it take to get Mailman 2.1.18 on the <a href="http://chambana.net" target="_blank">chambana.net</a><br>
>>>> <<a href="http://chambana.net" target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>> mailing list server?<br>
>>>><br>
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