<div dir="ltr">Thanks for your concern, Stewart. <div><br></div><div>I certainly appreciate that Chambana has been our email list home for many years and for the reasons you've mentioned, we've tolerated issues with list performance, outages / delayed message delivery and user self service challenges (opt-in/ out / manage prefs).</div>
<div><br></div><div>The fact that IMC servers have recently been blacklisted as spammers by hotmail and that we're having some apparently unrelated delivery issues with yahoo accounts, has rendered our lists un-usable as many of our members simply can't receive our messages and continually get deactivated due to excessive bounces. I realize that we've done what we can to appeal the blacklisting and that we're an all volunteer organization that does what we can to make things work, but we rely on our lists too heavily to wait-out issues like this, which happen periodically and are perhaps all in the game of administering email lists.<div>
<br><div>At this point, we just need simplicity and reliability, and unfortunately our chambana mailman lists have become too much of a challenge for me to administer.<div><br></div><div>thanks,</div><div>- Jay</div></div>
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</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Stewart Dickson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mathartspd@gmail.com" target="_blank">mathartspd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Just a comment from a lurker on the
list.<br>
Not that the content on BTP is any great concern, but<br>
The NSA is all up in Google's back-end.<br>
What do you want to go to a monolithic, centralized media monopoly
for?<br>
When Chambana.net is all local, decentralized and independent?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
-Stewart<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 7/26/14 9:31 AM, Jay Schubert wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Chris,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I just finished the last of the migration of the general
list and we don't use the zine list any more, so we are good
to go with shutting down all four lists.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>thanks,</div>
<div>Jay</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Chris
Ritzo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net" target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jay,<br>
Just wanted to confirm that you're ready for me to archive
these lists:<br>
<a href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<a href="mailto:btp-jail-libraries@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">btp-jail-libraries@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<br>
And waiting to hear from you on archiving:<br>
<a href="mailto:bookstoprisoners@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">bookstoprisoners@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<br>
Also, you have this list:<br>
<a href="mailto:btp-zine@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">btp-zine@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<br>
Just send me a confirmation and I'll get the first two
archived and the<br>
status of the other two.<br>
<br>
-Chris<br>
<div><br>
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<br>
On 07/24/2014 03:54 PM, Jay Schubert wrote:<br>
> thanks. No rush. This weekend is fine. By then we
can do keystaff and<br>
> jail librarians. I'll let you know if the migration
of our general list<br>
> is complete by then too.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Chris Ritzo <<a href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net" target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a><br>
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<div>
<div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net" target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Jay,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for clarifying. I can definitely help
with the decommisioning of<br>
> lists. Archives can remain online, which is the
technical default. It<br>
> makes sense for my schedule to make some
changes for you over the<br>
> weekend. If you need the chambana keystaff list
decommissioned this<br>
> evening, I can do that tonight.<br>
><br>
> Just let me know.<br>
><br>
> Chris<br>
><br>
> On Thu 24 Jul 2014 01:26:37 PM EDT, Jay
Schubert wrote:<br>
> > Chris,<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks. Google is only allowing me to add
100 users every 24 hours,<br>
> > but our big list is just 300 people so
this isn't a big deal. I<br>
> > experimented with invitations and found
that direct add eliminates<br>
> > most of the confusion (invites ask people
to visit the web archive<br>
> > then gives them hell if they're not a
gmail user or especially if<br>
> > they're using an email address that's ever
been associated with a<br>
> > google account). So far direct add has
worked just fine tough, by<br>
> > adding them in batches of 10, ten times in
a row each day.<br>
> ><br>
> > The help I need is simply to decommission
the lists on<br>
> <a href="http://chambana.net" target="_blank">chambana.net</a>
<<a href="http://chambana.net" target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>><br>
> > <<a href="http://chambana.net" target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>>.
I don't know of any DNS change that would be<br>
> > required since today people use the
chambana list by<br>
> > emailing <a href="mailto:BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>
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> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net</a>>>
and after the change they<br>
> > will be sending mail to <a href="mailto:btp-announcements@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">btp-announcements@googlegroups.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:btp-announcements@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">btp-announcements@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
</div>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:btp-announcements@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">btp-announcements@googlegroups.com</a><br>
<div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:btp-announcements@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">btp-announcements@googlegroups.com</a>>>.
I just want to make<br>
> > sure that the old groups are no longer
sending mail once we pull the<br>
> > trigger and go live.<br>
> ><br>
> > I think we're ready to do this with<br>
> <a href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>
</div>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a>>>
today.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> > Jay<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Chris Ritzo
<<a href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net" target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net" target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>><br>
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<div>
<div>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net" target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net" target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>>>>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I know that if you're running google
apps for business/non-profit,<br>
> > then<br>
> > you can bulk subscribe people. Is this
what you guys are<br>
> doing, Jay?<br>
> > What specifically are you looking for
help with? Migrating users &<br>
> > archives? DNS redirect once the switch
has been made?<br>
> ><br>
> > -Chris<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed 23 Jul 2014 05:22:10 PM EDT,
Stuart Levy wrote:<br>
> > > Curious - Jay, do you have a good
way to load names into a<br>
> Google<br>
> > > Groups list?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > It used to allow uploading a
bunch of people and<br>
> auto-subscribing<br>
> > > them, and that may still be
possible, but their anti-spam<br>
> provisions<br>
> > > make it very difficult. You
upload a very small number of<br>
> > people at<br>
> > > a time, and if you load too many
- and they won't tell you<br>
> how many<br>
> > > that is - then you're locked out
and can upload no more for<br>
> another<br>
> > > day or so. I was able to load
a few tens at a time, up to<br>
> > most of<br>
> > > a hundred per day, when last
doing this a couple years ago.<br>
> So a<br>
> > > 500-person list took more than a
week to migrate, including<br>
> a few<br>
> > > lockouts. I don't know how this
compares with the BTP lists.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Uploading addresses for people
who then get Google<br>
> > > invitations-to-subscribe is less
restrictive. But unless you<br>
> > have a<br>
> > > good way of telling people what
to expect, most will just<br>
> miss the<br>
> > > subscription-invitation, or at
least won't respond to it.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Not sure whether the above is
helpful, but if you haven't<br>
> > already done<br>
> > > that migration, then maybe it'll
give you an easier time<br>
> than I had.<br>
> > > (I don't have access to do the
things you'd actually want<br>
> tech help<br>
> > > with, like getting the existing
lists to forward messages to<br>
> > your new<br>
> > > google groups.)<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On 7/23/14 3:34 PM, Jay Schubert
wrote:<br>
> > >> Techsters,<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Books to Prisoners has decide
to migrate our email lists<br>
> over to<br>
> > >> Google Groups for spam
control, reliability and user experience<br>
> > >> issues. We have three lists
total on <a href="http://chambana.net" target="_blank">chambana.net</a><br>
> <<a href="http://chambana.net" target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>><br>
> > <<a href="http://chambana.net" target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>><br>
> > >> <<a href="http://chambana.net" target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>>
and we will be ready to decommission<br>
> them in<br>
> > >> the coming days (not
immediately).<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> We will be starting with
*Keystaff*, then *Jail Library*,<br>
> then the<br>
> > >> *General *list.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Is anyone available to help
with this effort?<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> thanks,<br>
> > >> Jay<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >>
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