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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hey,<br>
<br>
Would any of the tools here: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tech-knowledge.tumblr.com/post/91474742241/digital-first-aid-kit-where-to-turn-when-youre-dosed">http://tech-knowledge.tumblr.com/post/91474742241/digital-first-aid-kit-where-to-turn-when-youre-dosed</a><br>
Help in repairing Chambana.net's reputation, if it was hijacked by
a spambot?<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://digitaldefenders.org/digitalfirstaid/">https://digitaldefenders.org/digitalfirstaid/</a><br>
<br>
-Stewart<br>
<br>
On 7/26/14 10:22 AM, Jay Schubert wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for your concern, Stewart.
<div><br>
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<div>I certainly appreciate that Chambana has been our email
list home for many years and for the reasons you've mentioned,
we've tolerated issues with list performance, outages /
delayed message delivery and user self service challenges
(opt-in/ out / manage prefs).</div>
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<div>The fact that IMC servers have recently been blacklisted as
spammers by hotmail and that we're having some apparently
unrelated delivery issues with yahoo accounts, has rendered
our lists un-usable as many of our members simply can't
receive our messages and continually get deactivated due to
excessive bounces. I realize that we've done what we can to
appeal the blacklisting and that we're an all volunteer
organization that does what we can to make things work, but we
rely on our lists too heavily to wait-out issues like this,
which happen periodically and are perhaps all in the game of
administering email lists.
<div>
<br>
<div>At this point, we just need simplicity and reliability,
and unfortunately our chambana mailman lists have become
too much of a challenge for me to administer.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>thanks,</div>
<div>- Jay</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:43 AM,
Stewart Dickson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mathartspd@gmail.com" target="_blank">mathartspd@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>Just a comment from a lurker on the list.<br>
Not that the content on BTP is any great concern, but<br>
The NSA is all up in Google's back-end.<br>
What do you want to go to a monolithic, centralized
media monopoly for?<br>
When Chambana.net is all local, decentralized and
independent?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
-Stewart
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On 7/26/14 9:31 AM, Jay Schubert wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Chris,
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<div>I just finished the last of the migration of
the general list and we don't use the zine list
any more, so we are good to go with shutting
down all four lists.</div>
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<div>thanks,</div>
<div>Jay</div>
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<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at
9:13 AM, Chris Ritzo <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net"
target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Jay,<br>
Just wanted to confirm that you're ready for
me to archive these lists:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-jail-libraries@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">btp-jail-libraries@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<br>
And waiting to hear from you on archiving:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bookstoprisoners@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">bookstoprisoners@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<br>
Also, you have this list:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-zine@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">btp-zine@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<br>
Just send me a confirmation and I'll get the
first two archived and the<br>
status of the other two.<br>
<br>
-Chris<br>
<div><br>
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<br>
On 07/24/2014 03:54 PM, Jay Schubert wrote:<br>
> thanks. No rush. This weekend is
fine. By then we can do keystaff and<br>
> jail librarians. I'll let you know if
the migration of our general list<br>
> is complete by then too.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Chris
Ritzo <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net"
target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a><br>
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<div>> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net"
target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Jay,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for clarifying. I can
definitely help with the decommisioning of<br>
> lists. Archives can remain
online, which is the technical default. It<br>
> makes sense for my schedule to
make some changes for you over the<br>
> weekend. If you need the chambana
keystaff list decommissioned this<br>
> evening, I can do that tonight.<br>
><br>
> Just let me know.<br>
><br>
> Chris<br>
><br>
> On Thu 24 Jul 2014 01:26:37 PM
EDT, Jay Schubert wrote:<br>
> > Chris,<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks. Google is only
allowing me to add 100 users every 24
hours,<br>
> > but our big list is just 300
people so this isn't a big deal. I<br>
> > experimented with
invitations and found that direct add
eliminates<br>
> > most of the confusion
(invites ask people to visit the web
archive<br>
> > then gives them hell if
they're not a gmail user or especially if<br>
> > they're using an email
address that's ever been associated with a<br>
> > google account). So far
direct add has worked just fine tough, by<br>
> > adding them in batches of
10, ten times in a row each day.<br>
> ><br>
> > The help I need is simply to
decommission the lists on<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://chambana.net"
target="_blank">chambana.net</a> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://chambana.net"
target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>><br>
> > <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://chambana.net"
target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>>.
I don't know of any DNS change that would
be<br>
> > required since today people
use the chambana list by<br>
> > emailing <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>
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> > <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<div>> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">BooksToPrisoners@lists.chambana.net</a>>>
and after the change they<br>
> > will be sending mail to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-announcements@googlegroups.com"
target="_blank">btp-announcements@googlegroups.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-announcements@googlegroups.com"
target="_blank">btp-announcements@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
</div>
> > <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-announcements@googlegroups.com"
target="_blank">btp-announcements@googlegroups.com</a><br>
<div>> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-announcements@googlegroups.com"
target="_blank">btp-announcements@googlegroups.com</a>>>.
I just want to make<br>
> > sure that the old groups are
no longer sending mail once we pull the<br>
> > trigger and go live.<br>
> ><br>
> > I think we're ready to do this
with<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>
</div>
> > <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<div>> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">btp-keystaff@lists.chambana.net</a>>>
today.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> > Jay<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:02
PM, Chris Ritzo <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net"
target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net"
target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>> > <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net"
target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:critzo@chambana.net"
target="_blank">critzo@chambana.net</a>>>>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I know that if you're
running google apps for
business/non-profit,<br>
> > then<br>
> > you can bulk subscribe
people. Is this what you guys are<br>
> doing, Jay?<br>
> > What specifically are
you looking for help with? Migrating users
&<br>
> > archives? DNS redirect
once the switch has been made?<br>
> ><br>
> > -Chris<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed 23 Jul 2014
05:22:10 PM EDT, Stuart Levy wrote:<br>
> > > Curious - Jay, do
you have a good way to load names into a<br>
> Google<br>
> > > Groups list?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > It used to allow
uploading a bunch of people and<br>
> auto-subscribing<br>
> > > them, and that may
still be possible, but their anti-spam<br>
> provisions<br>
> > > make it very
difficult. You upload a very small
number of<br>
> > people at<br>
> > > a time, and if you
load too many - and they won't tell you<br>
> how many<br>
> > > that is - then
you're locked out and can upload no more
for<br>
> another<br>
> > > day or so. I
was able to load a few tens at a time, up
to<br>
> > most of<br>
> > > a hundred per day,
when last doing this a couple years ago.<br>
> So a<br>
> > > 500-person list
took more than a week to migrate,
including<br>
> a few<br>
> > > lockouts. I don't
know how this compares with the BTP lists.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Uploading addresses
for people who then get Google<br>
> > >
invitations-to-subscribe is less
restrictive. But unless you<br>
> > have a<br>
> > > good way of telling
people what to expect, most will just<br>
> miss the<br>
> > >
subscription-invitation, or at least won't
respond to it.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Not sure whether
the above is helpful, but if you haven't<br>
> > already done<br>
> > > that migration,
then maybe it'll give you an easier time<br>
> than I had.<br>
> > > (I don't have
access to do the things you'd actually
want<br>
> tech help<br>
> > > with, like getting
the existing lists to forward messages to<br>
> > your new<br>
> > > google groups.)<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On 7/23/14 3:34 PM,
Jay Schubert wrote:<br>
> > >> Techsters,<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Books to
Prisoners has decide to migrate our email
lists<br>
> over to<br>
> > >> Google Groups
for spam control, reliability and user
experience<br>
> > >> issues. We
have three lists total on <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://chambana.net"
target="_blank">chambana.net</a><br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://chambana.net"
target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>><br>
> > <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://chambana.net"
target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>><br>
> > >> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://chambana.net"
target="_blank">http://chambana.net</a>>
and we will be ready to decommission<br>
> them in<br>
> > >> the coming days
(not immediately).<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> We will be
starting with *Keystaff*, then *Jail
Library*,<br>
> then the<br>
> > >> *General *list.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Is anyone
available to help with this effort?<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> thanks,<br>
> > >> Jay<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >>
_______________________________________________<br>
> > >> IMC-Tech
mailing list<br>
> > >> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>
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> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
<div>> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a>>><br>
> > >> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-tech"
target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-tech</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > >
_______________________________________________<br>
> > > IMC-Tech mailing list<br>
> > > <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>
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> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">IMC-Tech@lists.chambana.net</a>>><br>
> > > <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-tech"
target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/imc-tech</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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