[IMC-US] RE: [Imc-us-editorial] Re: PROPOSED - Kerry won - herearethe facts

Thu Nov 4 21:18:20 CST 2004

(applause, applause) this rocks! thanks josh. i've been waiting all day, 
while out & about, to hear this on the airwaves.

d.o.

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"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as 
necessary in the political world as storms in the physical world."

- Thomas Jefferson
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more rebellion here:
http://concertobi.blogspot.com/

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>From: Joshua Breitbart <breitbart at indymedia.org>
>Reply-To: "Working Group for IMC-US." <imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com>
>To: "Working Group for IMC-US." <imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com>,Tribal 
>Scribal <valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com>
>CC: imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com, 
>imc-us-editorial at ucimc.org,kaldari at monsterlabs.com
>Subject: Re: [IMC-US] RE: [Imc-us-editorial] Re: PROPOSED - Kerry won - 
>herearethe facts
>Date: Thu,  4 Nov 2004 22:10:11 -0500
>
>I've been using the link from TomPaine.com for the Palast article:
>http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
>
>I have no problem linking to other independent media, especially at a time 
>like
>this with a subject like this. Palast's piece is the best overview, but 
>there
>are lots of links regarding voter fraud. For starters:
>
>CNN screwing with it's exit polls:
>http://michiganimc.org/newswire/display/7632/index.php
>More on this is posted to 
>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/53438/6175
>
>Really shady stuff with poll challengers:
>http://www.boingboing.net/2004/11/03/michael_moore_protec.html
>which corresponds with this report
>http://michiganimc.org/newswire/display/7554/index.php
>
>And less trustworthy but worth noting:
>http://americablog.blogspot.com/archives/2004_10_31_americablog_archive.html#109946880458828314
>
>Beyond reporting/complaining, I see two actions that people can take on 
>this:
>For starters, we can support Bev Harris's historic FOIA action:
>http://www.blackboxvoting.org/#foia
>And we can put more of a spotlight on counting the provisional and 
>'spoiled'
>ballots in Ohio: http://indymedia.us/en/2004/11/1931.shtml
>I'm trying to find out what Ohio Democrats are doing, but it's not over,
>whatever Kerry or Bush says. Will any Senator join with a Representative 
>this
>time to file a report when the House certifies the election results?
>
>Of course, let's not forget that pre-election day suppression and the fact 
>that
>the polls in urban areas are simply not designed to handle this level of
>turnout were likely bigger factors than fraud. The excessive use of 
>(uncounted)
>provisional ballots, especially with young and urban poor voters, also 
>impacted
>the counts reported to the media.
>
>At the same time, we should not avoid analyzing the actual results of the
>election. No matter how you cut it, tens of millions of people turned out 
>to
>support Bush and what he represents, for a whole range of reasons. The 
>current
>"Who is the Other Half?" feature is awesome. This article in particular 
>will
>kill you: <http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/130459/index.php>. And
>this analysis from MI IMC "Power conceding nothing without demand, as 
>usual"
><http://michiganimc.org/feature/display/7637/index.php> should be featured 
>or
>included in a feature.
>
>These don't all have to be in one article. In fact, it might be better if 
>we
>just keep up a steady stream of reporting on this. We have the potential to
>drive this forward if we are honest and persistent.
>
>
>Josh
>
>
>
>Quoting Tribal Scribal <valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com>:
>
>  Given that every news org, mainstream, liberal, whatever, is ignoring
>  electronic voting errors, ballot access problems, and voter
>  disenfrachisement, i think it's important to feature this.
>
>  d.o.
>
>
>
>
>  ***************************************
>  "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as
>  necessary in the political world as storms in the physical world."
>
>  - Thomas Jefferson
>  ***************************************
>  more rebellion here:
>  http://concertobi.blogspot.com/
>
>  ***************************************
>
>
>
>
>  >From: "Ryan Kaldari" <kaldari at monsterlabs.com>
>  >To: imc-us-editorial at ucimc.org, imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com
>  >Subject: [Imc-us-editorial] Re: PROPOSED - Kerry won - here are the 
>facts
>  >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:46:17 -0600 (CST)
>  >
>  >I doubt Greg Palast actually posted his article to SD-IMC. Do we have
>  >permission to use his essay? I guess it doesn't really matter that much
>  >since it's already been posted everywhere else on the internet, which 
>begs
>  >the questions, aren't we supposed to be posting original material? Are 
>we
>  >going to be posting Jon Stewart transcripts next?
>  >-ryan
>  >
>  > > I'm changing the author to Greg Palast instead of SD-IMC, since he 
>wrote
>  > > it.
>  > >
>  > > max
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Quoting Tribal Scribal <valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com>:
>  > >
>  > >>
>  > >> i think we should move the top newswire feature from SD-IMC "Kerry
>  > >> won.."
>  > >>
>  > >> over to the feature column
>  > >>
>  > >> d.o.
>  > >>
>  > >>
>  > >> ***************************************
>  > >> "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and 
>as
>  > >> necessary in the political world as storms in the physical world."
>  > >>
>  > >> - Thomas Jefferson
>  > >> ***************************************
>  > >> more rebellion here:
>  > >> http://concertobi.blogspot.com/
>  > >>
>  > >> ***************************************
>  > >>
>  > >>
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