[OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] My Resignation From the Occupy CUListserv

Sun Nov 18 15:45:36 UTC 2012

Yes!  David & Stan are right!  Standing together means unity, trust, and love.  We can't stay together  if people are vicious to one another.

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Germaine 

On Nov 18, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Stan Waggoner <swag901 at ymail.com> wrote:

> Well said Dave.
>  
> Just let me add: We can stand united, or fall divided.
>  
> We may not like each other from time to time.  We may step on each others toes on occasion, but if we want to work for the betterment of our Country, we must push back against the 1%.  Thomas Jefferson to DWight Eisenher, have warned our country against the dangers of large corporations.
>  
> We need to stand and work together.
>  
> Stan
> 
> From: David Johnson <dlj725 at microsoft.com>
> To: Occupy C- U <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>; ewj at pigsqq.org 
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] My Resignation From the Occupy CUListserv
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> I understand what you are saying, that in other words many of us need to have a little more " thick skin " in order to withstand the truely evil and vicious 1%.
> That if and when we begin to successfully challenge the power and privaledge of the 1 %, all hell is going to rain down upon us and we better be ready and battle hardened.
> 
> However, before we can even think about getting to the point of truely challenging the 1% and hence them taken us seriously, we need to have a " community " or " clan " or " brotherhood / sisterhood " or " Union " ( in a sense ).
> That is, we need to ; trust and respect each other, and have each others back and fight if necessary to protect each other in the face of repression, even if some of us may not like certain people or agree with certain people within our " community ".
> It is one thing to take blows from your oppressor, but another to be insulted and / or attacked from within your " community ".
> Wayne, you crossed the line when you made the " cajones " statement to Rachael.
> But you are not alone.
> Others on this list have insulted, stereotyped and villanized Jesse for his opinions about the 9/11 attacks, calling him a racist, a fascist and an anti-semite, even after Jesse emphaticly stated that he was none of the above.
> 
> So let me ask all of you this.....
> 
> Do we want to find our common concerns and issues, accentuate the positive and minimize the negatives by being tolerant of our differences of opinion and perspective ?
> 
> Or do we do what the 1 % expects and hopes for, which is that we divide ourselves and hence be the stupid petty sheep that they perceive us to be ?
> 
> Sincerely with all due respect to everyone, including those I have disagreed with in the past and present.
> 
> David Johnson
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""E. Wayne Johnson ???"" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
> Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; "Sarah Lazare" <sarah.lazare at gmail.com>; <OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] My Resignation From the Occupy CUListserv
> 
> 
> > One really cannot fault Stuart in this matter or his efforts to maintain the group.
> > 
> > But really what I was getting at is the fact that if one wants to make a difference,
> > you are going to have to be able to stand up to some wind and rain, criticism,
> > opposition, and less than desirable outcomes at times.  Ya just can't let that
> > stuff bother you too much if you have your eyes on some goal.
> > 
> > All of this whining about "Oh my, I am So offended by your words
> > and your lack of sensitivity.  I am so going to get off this listserv.
> > It is soooo over."
> > 
> > "Oh, I am such a victim..."
> > 
> > Some one else wants to point out another way in which the mass of us may have been victimized
> > and he is blasted as a anti-semitic fascist bigot, or maybe just an idiot with a weak mind.
> > 
> > Seriously, folks.
> > All this moaning and staling doesnt cut any ice at all with
> > the problems at hand.
> > 
> > One could make the observation that some backbone is needed.
> > Not every one understands feminist rhetoric and its special vocabularies.
> > 
> > "I feel so triggered.  Oh my you have ruined my day for me."
> > 
> > "Oooooh.  How could you be sooooo obnoxious."
> > 
> > Olivia, bring me my barf bag.
> > 
> > It's so easy to say "oh, i cant stand this. I am going to quit."
> > 
> > Try this one:  "Quit you as men."
> > 
> > Hint:  It's not at all "sexist".
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/17/12 1:44, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> >> Stuart--
> >> 
> >> I think it's a mistake to give in to Identity Politics' taste for censorship.
> >> 
> >> It's a mark of the (self-imposed) weakness of liberalism over the last generation, that it's given up real attempts to stop wrong things from being done - and instead turned to furious attempts to make sure wrong things aren't said. (Cf. Hedges' 'Death of the Liberal Class.')
> >> 
> >> The local Occupy group has seemed to me particularly susceptible to this error (and it's hardly alone).
> >> 
> >> I do trust however you won't remove Wayne from the peace lists, whatever his sins against decorum.
> >> 
> >> Stopping taunting (if that's what it is) in a political group is no substitute for stopping murder by a president. The morning headlines show us again how much needs to be done there.
> >> 
> >> Regards, Carl
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Stuart Levy<stuartnlevy at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Wayne,
> >>> 
> >>> Look.  You can do better than this.  You're too often acting in this forum like a childish bully, taunting some of the best activists I know. Why?
> >>> 
> >>> Maybe you're testing the system.  If so, you win.  I've snapped. I am cutting you off the OccupyCU list as of now.  I trust you will find better words to say, but you can say them to other people.
> >>> 
> >>>    Stuart Levy
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