[OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] They let us choose between a child-killer and a job-killer

Wed Oct 31 02:22:40 UTC 2012

One could grow old trying to explain over and over again what the problem
with your behavior on this list has been.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:04 PM, C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net> wrote:

> Those who are trying to ensure that "atrocious emails" are not posted to
> this list - without going so far as to say why the emails are atrocious.
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Rachel Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "These people?"
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:20 PM, C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net> wrote:
> > Lol, as they say. And whatever Lol-la wants...
> >
> > These people are of course crying up a killer who ignores the la...
> >
> >
> > On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Ignorance of the "la" is no excuse.
> > >
> > > (ignorantia jabberis neminem excusat)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/31/12 3:21, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> > >> Or you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant "la-la-la-la" so
> that you don't have to hear any political opinions but your own.
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Jenifer Cartwright<jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Hey Rachel,
> > >>> Before you bail, try this -- I've done this for several years now.
> Don't bother reading emails from the repeat offenders (we both know who
> they are) but do report them as spam. Then their emails come directly into
> yr spam box, and you can delete them all at the same time, very
> satisfying... and you can still remain on the list to send and receive the
> worthwhile stuff.
> > >>>
> > >>> --- On Mon, 10/29/12, Rachel Storm<rachelstrm at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> From: Rachel Storm<rachelstrm at gmail.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a
> child-killer and a job-killer
> > >>> To: "C. G. Estabrook"<carl at newsfromneptune.com>
> > >>> Cc: "peace-discuss at anti-war.net"<peace-discuss at anti-war.net>,
> "Ricky Baldwin"<rbaldwin at seiu73.org>, "occupycu"<
> occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
> > >>> Date: Monday, October 29, 2012, 5:05 PM
> > >>>
> > >>> I want off of this list. If there is someone else organizing for
> Occupy, I'd like to be a part of it. But these emails are atrocious and
> they are the only ones coming from the list these days. I don't think I can
> justify any longer staying on a list that is dominated by trolling without
> anyone stepping in or moderating--"the world we want is the world we need."
> I don't want to be a part of such a dis-organized space and have remained
> here only because I want news about Occupy, dialogue/imagination, and a way
> to communicate with others who want to organize against capitalism and f'ed
> up dynamics of power (racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, ableism, etc.)
> Unfortunately, at this point, this list doesn't seem like a radical space
> at all.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Can someone remove me?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook<
> carl at newsfromneptune.com>  wrote:
> > >>> You'd have to have some sort of excuse for voting for a child
> killer. ("I had to kill this kid, or someone would have done something bad
> to me...")
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ricky Baldwin<rbaldwin at seiu73.org>
>  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> I agree with this much:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the
> ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party), who's been
> impressive in the third-party debates.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an
> impression than abstention."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But I think it's worth specifically pointing out that voting
> strategically or pragmatically (some might say "intelligently") does not
> somehow "corrupt" a person.  People may vote in relative ignorance or fear,
> and either of those things could have a negative impact on his or her
> mental health and/or effectiveness as a human being ad member of society,
> but of course neither one of those things is anything new in human history.
>  I also think the effect is pretty minor if we're talking about voting, as
> opposed to the things people may do out of fear and/or ignorance in many
> parts of the world and in history in order to survive, to get a job, to
> eat, to protect their families and communities, etc.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- In case anyone doesn't mind my 2c... But I suppose the
> short-term effect is the same as the above, at least in the case of that
> presidential elections, which is the vote that has the least impact.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ricky
> > >>>> ________________________________________
> > >>>> From: occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net [
> occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook [
> cge at shout.net]
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:18 AM
> > >>>> To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> > >>>> Cc: sf-core; occupycu
> > >>>> Subject: [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a
>     job-killer
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...and we're corrupted by voting for either.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the
> ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party), who's been
> impressive in the third-party debates.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an
> impression than abstention.
> > >>>>
> > >>
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