[OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Farmer's Market andDemonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama'sspeech?

Sun Sep 2 23:25:47 UTC 2012

Would you mind elaborating on that assertion, please?

Chris Goodrow

(217) 898-5039

Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 06:56:01 +0800
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [Peace] Farmer's	Market	andDemonstration on Saturday;	and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve	of	Obama'sspeech?

Actually those who favour and rely upon the teat of big government are
part of the reason

that the wars continue.  

On 9/3/2012 3:33 AM, Germaine Light wrote:

  Maybe so, Chris, but I sure wouldn't vote for, or campaign for,
or even hope that that shallow, rich, cold conservative machine gets in
office.   Too risky, too much
to lose.   After 8 years of that conservative Bush dung & recent
actions of right wing governors, I cannot face another 4 years or more.
 We lost so much, and not all of that damage has been repaired, &
some conservative governors have done perhaps irreparable damage.
 Meanwhile people have suffered in loss of freedom, wage losses,
decrease in union power, loss of rights to organize, to strike, payroll
deduction of union dues. No it is not worth the risk of whatever comes
next to hope that a conservative win results in a better Spring.  It
might just backfire & we end up with something more akin to
fascism, more than we already have.  NO!  I am not willing to take that
risk!

Sent from my iPhone
  Germaine Light

On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com>
wrote:

    Furthermore, is Obama more likely to feel pressure now before
the election or after he's won and isn't too concerned about pleasing
anyone. Let's remember, the "shellacking" he got in 2010 wasn't due to
a mandate, but rather so many people who came out in droves in 2008
just stayed home. Perhaps we didn't get an American spring because too
many people are concerned about the elections and how it would reflect
on Obama. 

    If Romney gets elected, there is a good chance it has to do
with the job Obama has done or not done. Maybe with a Romney
presidency, things will get worse faster and people may just start
paying attention and get out on the streets without having to worry
about who is in office. 

Chris
    (217) 898-5039

On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:09, "David Johnson" <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:

      It's NOT ass backwards at all !

      For the simple fact that the
Dems are in power of the Presidency which controls the Injustice
Department, who are the one's persecuting the whistle blowers.

      David J.

        -----
Original Message ----- 
        From:
        Jenifer Cartwright 
        To:
        C. G. Estabrook ; Gregg Gordon 
        Cc:
        Peace Discuss ; ocCUpy ; Peace 
        Sent:
Saturday, September 01, 2012 4:36 PM
        Subject:
Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market andDemonstration
on Saturday;and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of
Obama'sspeech?

              Sorry, clarifying my position: 
              Yes, continue war/drone protests as usual -- both
candidates are on record for those
              Defer whistle-blower protests until after the
election -- nothing from the Romney camp re these (surely same as- or
worse than Dems), plus there were no protests at Repub convention for
those. Already expecting huge protests at Dem Conven compared w/
Repubs. ass-backwards thinking, imho.

--- On Sat, 9/1/12, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

From: Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley
Manning on eve of Obama's speech?

To: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net>

Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, "Peace
Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>,
"ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>,
"Peace" <peace at anti-war.net>

Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 3:15 PM

                So how many Americans died in Iraq this
week?  And how's the missile shield in eastern Europe coming (to cite
just two significant differences with the Bush Administration)?

                Look
-- I'm not saying give anyone a pass on anything.  I'm saying make your
point strategically and intelligently.  It's likely to improve your
effectiveness.  

                Frankly,
I don't think there's anything a handful of people in C-U are going to
do in the next two months that will make an iota's difference to the
outcome of the election or the future of Bradley
Manning.  I would guess 95% of the people who drive by any such
demonstration will have no idea who Bradley Manning is, and there's
nothing you can put on a placard that will inform them.  It won't even
be covered by the local newspaper.  So in that respect, I don't care,
but the larger point is worth considering.  Do we do these things to
fulfill a sense of righteous indignation, or are we trying to have an
impact on future events?

                 From:
C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net>

                To:
Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> 

                Cc:
Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>; Peace
Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>;
ocCUpy <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>;
Peace <peace at anti-war.net>

                Sent:
Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:23 AM

                Subject:
Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley
Manning on eve of Obama's speech?

                It's important to assess how important the
difference it makes is. The answer seems to be, not much.

                Obama - although he campaigned against them -
followed Bush's economic and military polices, if in a more brutal and
efficient fashion.

                That may be some slight reason to vote against
him, but it's certainly not a reason to support him.

                On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

                  I
find it mind-boggling that anyone who lived through the years 2000-2008
really believes "it makes no difference."

                   From:
C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net>

                  To:
Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>

                  Cc:
Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>;
ocCUpy <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>;
Peace <peace at anti-war.net> 

                  Sent:
Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:10 AM

                  Subject:
Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley
Manning on eve of Obama's speech?

                  I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on
Bradley Manning and hold off on condemning his crimes - from the
suppression of WikiLeaks to the murders of Americans and others - for
ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) who

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