<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Chris,</SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr readonly="true" contenteditable="false"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow@hotmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> C. G. Estabrook <cge@shout.net> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> "dprochas@gmail.com" <dprochas@gmail.com>; C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com>; "jrbarret@illinois.edu" <jrbarret@illinois.edu>; occupycu <OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net>; "carolinskeep@yahoo.com" <carolinskeep@yahoo.com>; sf-core <sf-core@yahoogroups.com>; Michael Weissman <mbwmbwmbw@gmail.com>; "jkilgor@illinois.edu" <jkilgor@illinois.edu>;
Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:59 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] Boehner comes to C/U Oct 18<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>Ok, but as absurd as those attempts are, we can probably agree that those attempts have been successful with a large percentage of the population. If we can agree on that, then is it a stretch to see how people might even see a demonstration opposed to Obama's economic and military policies might be misconstrued as a demonstration in favor of the opposing party. <BR><BR>I mean, if the concern is more about the perception of the demonstration rather than the intent of it, seems as if even this more specific demonstration can be viewed the wrong way. <BR><BR>Chris<BR><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" class=baec5a81-e4d6-4674-97f3-e9220f0136c1>(217) 898-5039<A
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<BR>>> Just to be clear, using that logic would also mean that a demonstration against Obama would be interpreted as a demonstration in favor of the opposing party, yes? <BR>>> <BR>>> Chris<BR>>> <SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" class=baec5a81-e4d6-4674-97f3-e9220f0136c1>(217) 898-5039<A style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; POSITION: static !important; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN: 0px; WIDTH: 16px; BOTTOM: 0px; DISPLAY: inline; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; FLOAT: none; HEIGHT: 16px; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle; OVERFLOW: hidden; BORDER-TOP: medium none; CURSOR: hand; RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; TOP: 0px; LEFT: 0px" title="Call: (217) 898-5039" href="http://us.mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#"><IMG style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; POSITION: static !important; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN: 0px; WIDTH: 16px; BOTTOM: 0px; DISPLAY: inline; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; FLOAT: none; HEIGHT: 16px; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle; OVERFLOW: hidden;
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within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." --Noam Chomsky<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Michael Weissman <<A href="mailto:mbwmbwmbw@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:mbwmbwmbw@gmail.com">mbwmbwmbw@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>> From: David Prochaska [<A href="mailto:dprochas@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:dprochas@gmail.com">dprochas@gmail.com</A>]<BR>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:17 PM<BR>>>>> To: carol inskeep<BR>>>>> Cc: Barrett, James R; James Kilgore; Weissman, Michael B; Stuart Levy; Karen Medina<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: Boehner comes to C/U Oct 18<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> I teach until 4:50
pm, but if others go, count me in.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> --David<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:35 PM, carol inskeep <<A href="mailto:carolinskeep@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:carolinskeep@yahoo.com">carolinskeep@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>>>> I haven't heard of anything - unfortunately I have a program at the library that evening and can't be there, but what about Occupy, Michael? Are you guys thinking of doing anything? Or is AWARE planning anything, Karen and Stuart?<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> From: David Prochaska <<A href="mailto:dprochas@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:dprochas@gmail.com">dprochas@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>>> To: Jim Barrett <<A href="mailto:jrbarret@illinois.edu" ymailto="mailto:jrbarret@illinois.edu">jrbarret@illinois.edu</A>>; James Kilgore <<A href="mailto:jkilgor@illinois.edu"
ymailto="mailto:jkilgor@illinois.edu">jkilgor@illinois.edu</A>>; Carol Inskeep <<A href="mailto:carolinskeep@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:carolinskeep@yahoo.com">carolinskeep@yahoo.com</A>>; Michael Weissman <<A href="mailto:mbw@illinois.edu" ymailto="mailto:mbw@illinois.edu">mbw@illinois.edu</A>> <BR>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:06 PM<BR>>>>> Subject: Boehner comes to C/U Oct 18<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Hi all,<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Any plans to picket/demonstrate against Boehner -- and his Tea Party Repub obstructionists -- next Thurs for Rodney Davis fundraiser at I-hotel reception 5 pm, dinner 5:30? (cf. News-Gazette Oct 12 part B)<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Best,<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> --David<BR>>>>>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>>> In contrast to Cong race here, Repub spending in statewide Wisconsin senatorial race between Tammy Baldwin & Tommy Thompson is $10 million.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Dear David:<BR>>>>> I’ve been telling you for weeks about the millions Republicans and their corporate outside groups are pouring into this race. This chart outlines how much is being spent in ads that lie about me.<BR>>>>> $3.2 million. That’s how much the Republicans think this seat is worth.<BR>>>>> Frankly, I’m disgusted. We don’t need a Congressman who is beholden to these big, special-interest groups. They will expect something in return, and Rodney will deliver in spades.<BR>>>>> We can’t match this kind of outside spending, but we can fight back with a better
message.<BR>>>>> Thank you,<BR>>>>> David Gill, M.D.<BR>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>> OccupyCU mailing list<BR>>>> <A href="mailto:OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net" ymailto="mailto:OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net">OccupyCU@lists.chambana.net</A><BR>>>> <A href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/occupycu" target=_blank>http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/occupycu</A><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> Peace-discuss mailing list<BR>>> <A href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A><BR>>> <A href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target=_blank>http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</A><BR>> <BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Peace-discuss mailing list<BR><A
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