<font color="#000000"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I'll be there tonight. <br></font></font></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Stuart Levy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" target="_blank">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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    This is depressing.   I'm sorry, Rachel!   I've turned off your mail
    from the occupyCU list, though you can still post to it.<br>
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    <div>On 10/29/12 5:05 PM, Rachel Storm
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      <div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b>I want off of
            this list</b>. If there is someone else organizing for
          Occupy, I'd like to be a part of it. But these emails are
          atrocious and they are the only ones coming from the list
          these days. I don't think I can justify any longer staying on
          a list that is dominated by trolling without anyone stepping
          in or moderating--"the world we want is the world we need." I
          don't want to be a part of such a dis-organized space and have
          remained here only because I want news about Occupy,
          dialogue/imagination, and a way to communicate with others who
          want to organize against capitalism and f'ed up dynamics of
          power (racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, ableism, etc.)
          Unfortunately, at this point, this list doesn't seem like a
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      <div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b> Can someone
            remove me?</b></font></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, C. G.
          Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>></span>
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            to have some sort of excuse for voting for a child killer.
            ("I had to kill this kid, or someone would have done
            something bad to me...")<br>
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                On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ricky Baldwin <<a href="mailto:rbaldwin@seiu73.org" target="_blank">rbaldwin@seiu73.org</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                > I agree with this much:<br>
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                > "In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill
                Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky
                Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the
                third-party debates.<br>
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                > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make
                more of an impression than abstention."<br>
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                > But I think it's worth specifically pointing out
                that voting strategically or pragmatically (some might
                say "intelligently") does not somehow "corrupt" a
                person.  People may vote in relative ignorance or fear,
                and either of those things could have a negative impact
                on his or her mental health and/or effectiveness as a
                human being ad member of society, but of course neither
                one of those things is anything new in human history.  I
                also think the effect is pretty minor if we're talking
                about voting, as opposed to the things people may do out
                of fear and/or ignorance in many parts of the world and
                in history in order to survive, to get a job, to eat, to
                protect their families and communities, etc.<br>
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                > --- In case anyone doesn't mind my 2c... But I
                suppose the short-term effect is the same as the above,
                at least in the case of that presidential elections,
                which is the vote that has the least impact.<br>
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                > Ricky<br>
                > ________________________________________<br>
                > From: <a href="mailto:occupycu-bounces@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">occupycu-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>
                [<a href="mailto:occupycu-bounces@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">occupycu-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>]
                On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook [<a href="mailto:cge@shout.net" target="_blank">cge@shout.net</a>]<br>
                > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:18 AM<br>
                > To: <a href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a><br>
                > Cc: sf-core; occupycu<br>
                > Subject: [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a
                child-killer and a     job-killer<br>
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                > ...and we're corrupted by voting for either.<br>
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                > In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill
                Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky
                Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the
                third-party debates.<br>
                ><br>
                > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make
                more of an impression than abstention.<br>
                ><br>
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