<font color="#000000"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I'll be there tonight. <br></font></font></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Stuart Levy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" target="_blank">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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This is depressing. I'm sorry, Rachel! I've turned off your mail
from the occupyCU list, though you can still post to it.<br>
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Maybe we can talk about communications at tonight's meeting.<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 10/29/12 5:05 PM, Rachel Storm
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b>I want off of
this list</b>. If there is someone else organizing for
Occupy, I'd like to be a part of it. But these emails are
atrocious and they are the only ones coming from the list
these days. I don't think I can justify any longer staying on
a list that is dominated by trolling without anyone stepping
in or moderating--"the world we want is the world we need." I
don't want to be a part of such a dis-organized space and have
remained here only because I want news about Occupy,
dialogue/imagination, and a way to communicate with others who
want to organize against capitalism and f'ed up dynamics of
power (racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, ableism, etc.)
Unfortunately, at this point, this list doesn't seem like a
radical space at all. </font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b> Can someone
remove me?</b></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, C. G.
Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>></span>
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to have some sort of excuse for voting for a child killer.
("I had to kill this kid, or someone would have done
something bad to me...")<br>
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On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ricky Baldwin <<a href="mailto:rbaldwin@seiu73.org" target="_blank">rbaldwin@seiu73.org</a>>
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> I agree with this much:<br>
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> "In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill
Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky
Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the
third-party debates.<br>
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> The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make
more of an impression than abstention."<br>
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> But I think it's worth specifically pointing out
that voting strategically or pragmatically (some might
say "intelligently") does not somehow "corrupt" a
person. People may vote in relative ignorance or fear,
and either of those things could have a negative impact
on his or her mental health and/or effectiveness as a
human being ad member of society, but of course neither
one of those things is anything new in human history. I
also think the effect is pretty minor if we're talking
about voting, as opposed to the things people may do out
of fear and/or ignorance in many parts of the world and
in history in order to survive, to get a job, to eat, to
protect their families and communities, etc.<br>
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> --- In case anyone doesn't mind my 2c... But I
suppose the short-term effect is the same as the above,
at least in the case of that presidential elections,
which is the vote that has the least impact.<br>
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> Ricky<br>
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On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook [<a href="mailto:cge@shout.net" target="_blank">cge@shout.net</a>]<br>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:18 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a><br>
> Cc: sf-core; occupycu<br>
> Subject: [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a
child-killer and a job-killer<br>
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> ...and we're corrupted by voting for either.<br>
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> In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill
Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky
Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the
third-party debates.<br>
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> The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make
more of an impression than abstention.<br>
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