[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] ISIS trained by US reports Examiner, PressTV, Reuters, Der Spiegel

Fri Jul 11 23:12:13 EDT 2014

The US is a fascist state managed by a well entrenched oligarchy.

The oligarchy does definitely fear that an organized uprising of the people
may weaken and erode its position resulting in haemorrhage of money,
power, and territory.

The oligarchy manages the world's largest propaganda and opinion-shaping
and panem et circenses machine that uses every possible measure to 
achieve its
goals in mollifying the masses and nullifying any effective negativity.

The oligarchy has chosen to deflect political pressures by allowing the
establishment of a pair of ruling factions.  The two ruling factions are
actually essentially the same but the members and supporters and operatives
of each faction believe that they are poles apart in their ideology and 
goodness,
much like the rival teams and their fans in a sporting contest. Some of them
are true believers in their parties and it is downright comical to to 
observe
them in motion.  Dog-fighting and cock-fighting are considered to be too
brutish for the sensitive and cultured society.  Other outlets are provided.

A complex system of rules and regulations prevents the entrance of 
significant
new factions that might be supported by the people themselves.  For example
the people are encouraged to vote as if it were a patriotic duty, but 
the candidates
are selected and supported by the oligarchy and its fascist and crony 
capitalist network,
such that in general it would not matter much who was elected, because 
the system
has been established to be robust against change.  The oligarchy has 
recognized that
its power and control are not absolute and it is careful not to 
overextend the most
extreme measures of its force domestically due to fear of a 
destabilizing outcome.

The oligarchy extends its tentacles around the world.

Like a daemon that has wrapped itself around the spine of its host and
has interfaced with the host's body control systems and higher functions,
the daemonic oligarchy has made the people dependent upon it such
that an eviction notice  would evoke tremulous and even catastrophic
consequences.  The natural guards of liberty have been perverted
unto the protection of the status quo.

Violent overthrow seems a possible recourse.  However, a organized
violent uprising or even the use of passive force by the people is met
with sudden repression by the police state.  Afterwards the entrenched
political parties are summoned in to vacuum up any energy generated
by a new uprising.

It is disturbing to see activists getting their energies sucked up by 
the Borg
of one of the sham political parties or the other one.

On 07/12/2014 09:45 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:
> Stan,
>
> What Carl has stated are historical facts.
>
> I liked Jimmy Carter his first two years, but then he started to 
> listen to assholes like Kissinger and Brezinski. His last two years 
> were also the beghining of de-regulation of the Trucking and Airline 
> industry, as well giving sanctuary to the Shah of Iran which was the 
> catalyst for the u.S. Embassy hostage crisis. During this same period 
> as Carl documents, the Carter administration began to destabalize the 
> progressive left-wing government of Afganistan, by organizing, 
> training and financing some of the most extreme Islamic religious 
> fanatics to attack ; schools, hospitals and agricultural extension 
> offices, which eventually destabalized the government and led to the 
> Afganistan government to ask the USSR for assistance and the religious 
> fanatics eventually became Al Queda (sp. ).
> The rest is history.
>
> The point here Stan, is that we the people have lost control of OUR 
> government. You can't blame all the bullshit that has happened in the 
> last 30 some years on the republicans. The democrats have also done 
> their fair share of damage. Both the Dems and the republicans are 
> financed by corporate special interests. Often times the SAME 
> corporate special interests.
>
> David Johnson
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2014 8:15 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss wrote:
>> You guys are so wrong the light from wrong can not reach you.
>>
>> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/
>>
>>
>> "C. G. Estabrook via OccupyCU" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> This is consistent US policy, for at least 40 years, Democrat as well 
>> as Republican.
>>
>> The Carter administration (1977-81) invented modern jihadism by 
>> rounding up the most fanatical fighters it could find in the Mideast, 
>> arming them in the most expensive CIA operation to date, and sending 
>> them into Afghanistan (*before* the Russian invasion) "to give the 
>> Soviets a Vietnam of their own"!
>>
>> Carter's Russophobe National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski 
>> (also an adviser to Obama's presidential campaign), famously told an 
>> interviewer from Le Nouvel Observateur in 1998, "What is most 
>> important to the history of the world? ... Some stirred-up Moslems or 
>> the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"
>>
>> The "few stirred-up Muslims" came to include al-Qaeda and the 
>> perpetrators of the 9/11/2001 attacks.
>>
>> Divide et impera, the Roman imperial maxim, has guided US attempts to 
>> promote conflict and play both sides against the middle in order to 
>> secure control of the Mideast energy resources, "the world's greatest 
>> material prize," as the US State Department declared in 1945.
>>
>> In this century that has meant a purposeful US policy of setting 
>> Sunni against Shia in a vicious regional civil war, which had not 
>> existed before the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.
>>
>> --CGE
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss 
>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> > (and mostly funded by Saudi Arabia, Israel)
>> > Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan
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>> > Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan
>> > Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND reported 
>> Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or 
>> ISIS, were trained b...
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>> > Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND reported 
>> Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or 
>> ISIS, were trained by U.S. instructors at a secret base inJordan. 
>> According to the report, the training was conducted in 2012 and was 
>> intended to help ISIS fight the Assad regime.
>> > The officials said those receiving training were vetted for links 
>> to extremist groups like al-Qaeda.
>> > WND first reported the training in February 2012. Since then, other 
>> media outlets have corroborated those reports. In March 2013, 
>> Reuters, citing Der Spiegel, said that some 200 men had received 
>> training. The goal was to train about 1,200 fighters of the "Free 
>> Syrian Army."
>> > Those reports did not specify if the instructors were military or 
>> civilian, but some reportedly wore uniforms. The training, Reuters 
>> added, focused on the use of anti-tank weaponry. It is also unclear 
>> how many of those trained are now fighting in Iraq.
>> > According to Reuters, the UK Guardian also reported the training, 
>> adding that British and French instructors participated in the 
>> U.S.-led effort. The Guardian, Reuters said, cited unnamed Jordanian 
>> security sources, who were also reportedly involved in the program, 
>> hoping to "prevent Salafists (radical Islamists) crossing from their 
>> own country into Syria and then returning later to stir up trouble in 
>> Jordan itself."
>> > A Defense Department spokesman declined to comment on Der Spiegel's 
>> report, Reuters added. France and Britain have also refused to 
>> comment on the report.
>> > WND said Jordanian officials spoke to them out of concerns the 
>> sectarian violence in Iraq could spill over into Jordan.
>> > "ISIS previously posted a video on YouTube threatening to move on 
>> Jordan and “slaughter” King Abdullah, whom they view as an enemy of 
>> Islam," Aaron Klein said.
>> > A Shiite source in contact with a highly-placed official in the 
>> government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki reportedly called 
>> Obama an "accomplice" in the attacks against the Maliki government 
>> and told WND that one training camp is in the vicinity of Incirlik 
>> Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where U.S. military personnel are stationed.
>> > Another report says the Obama administration delivered about 65,000 
>> ready-to-eat meals, or MREs, to Sunni rebels in Aleppo, Syria. 
>> Additionally, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that Obama has 
>> ruled out immediate air strikes against ISIS in Iraq. The reason, WSJ 
>> said, is lack of intelligence on the ground in Iraq.
>> > Obama is set to meet with GOP and Democratic leaders Wednesday to 
>> brief them on what is being called a "comprehensive approach" to the 
>> situation in Iraq.
>> > “What the president is focused on is a comprehensive strategy, not 
>> just a quick military response,” said one senior administration 
>> official. “While there may potentially be a military component to it, 
>> it’s a much broader effort.”
>> > Meanwhile, ISIS is reportedly battling Iraqi military forces on the 
>> outskirts of Baghdad.
>> >
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