[Peace-discuss] An article that mentions are favorite pro-war / pro-Pentagon Peace Discuss list troll Roger Helbig.

Wed Feb 28 02:11:57 UTC 2018

And have any of you actually checked the accuracy of this article - NO, I
am sure that you have not.  Boyle has had close association with Douglas
Lind Rokke, who has created quite a fake persona.  I am the only person who
has ever used the Freedom of Information Act to dig into that.

Roger W Helbig

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:15 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Damn, you were right.
>
> I missed this one, just thought he was an old “military supporter.”  Until
> his last personal attack on you, then I did suspect it must be true. This
> article is proof.
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2018, at 07:32, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> *Yeah, as I have repeatedly said before Roger is a Mole for “military
> intelligence”—an oxymoron to be sure, especially when it comes to Roger.
> Fab.*
>
> *Francis A. Boyle*
> *Law Building*
> *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.*
> *Champaign, IL 61820 USA*
> *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)*
> *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)*
> *(personal comments only)*
>
> *From:* Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
> <peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net>] *On Behalf Of *David Johnson
> via Peace-discuss
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:29 AM
> *To:* peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] An article that mentions are favorite pro-war
> / pro-Pentagon Peace Discuss list troll Roger Helbig.
>
> *Hey everyone,*
> *Look what I found this morning.*
> *An article that mentions are favorite pro-war / pro-Pentagon Peace
> Discuss list troll Roger Helbig.*
>
>
> *Washington has Engaged in Information Warfare, Including Fake News and
> Trolling, for Years
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org%2F2018%2F02%2F27%2Fwashington-has-engaged-in-information-warfare-including-fake-news-and-trolling-for-years%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127053611&sdata=2fyOHiCpENZBhuU0%2FYW6GEcpQrpbeX4zzU3KjGBSQAU%3D&reserved=0>*
> by DAVE LINDORFF
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> https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/27/washington-has-
> engaged-in-information-warfare-including-fake-news-and-trolling-for-years/
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> Washington has Engaged in Information Warfare, Including Fake News and
> Trolling, for Years
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> The howling in government and the corporate media and among many liberals
> about an alleged Russian information war, with bots, trolls and fake news
> being placed
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> The howling in government and the corporate media and among many liberals
> about an alleged Russian information war, with bots, trolls and fake news
> being placed in social media to mislead and incite Americans against each
> other, might lead one think, like Sen John McCain, that we are practically
> at war with Russia. Yet it’s all actually pretty silly. After all, our own
> government has been playing this game for decades, both abroad, and also
> right here inside the “Land of the Free and Home of the Brave” and against
> us American citizens.
>
> I know. I was a victim of such an attack, though initially, I didn’t
> realize what was happening.
> Back on August 25, 2005, I published a piece in *In These Times* titled Radioactive
> Wounds of War
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Finthesetimes.com%2Farticle%2F2298%2Fradioactive_wounds_of_war&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127053611&sdata=HcpAm2RxQL%2B8xFCwNhCPHweY%2Fb46iKTwdMo%2FekK9HXY%3D&reserved=0> about
> the devastating damage caused by the US military’s use of depleted uranium
> weapons in its brutal assault leveling Fallujah, the Iraqi city of 300,000
> people that was destroyed by US marines in 2004 as retribution for the
> killing of four US contractors by the Iraqi insurgents who at the time
> controlled the city, and for their humiliating defeat of a smaller Marine
> assault on the city earlier in the year.
> At the time I was and had been a contributing editor at *ITT*, a
> publication for which I had written regularly since it was founded back in
> 1978, and was listed on its masthead as such.
> As I recount in an article published in *Counterpunch* on November 19,
> 2005, titled R.I.P In These Times
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org%2F2005%2F11%2F19%2Fr-i-p-in-these-times%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127053611&sdata=Vti4LZRpglncyDrgKfh%2FAevW%2B0ra8zdTa3THTnIVMfo%3D&reserved=0>,
> the left-liberal news magazine had been promptly bombarded with letters
> criticizing my article after it came out. The critiques were not about the
> main topic of the article, which was evidence discovered in medical studies
> done on returning Iraq veterans from a unit of New York National Guard
> soldiers, funded by the New York Daily News and reported on by Juan
> Gonzalez, which had found evidence of exposure to depleted uranium dust
> that was causing serious health damage in these soldiers, and even birth
> defects in their young children. Those findings were undeniable. What
> attracted the critical mail, which would now be called trolling, was my
> reporting on how much-depleted uranium weapons had been dumped on Iraq by
> invading and occupying US forces.
> Based on my research into reports, mostly by European sources, I had
> written in that article:
> *U.S. forces first used DU in the 1991 Gulf War, when some 300 tons of
> depleted uranium–the waste product of nuclear power plants and weapons
> facilities–were used in tank shells and shells fired by A-10 jets. A lesser
> amount was deployed by US and NATO forces during the Balkans conflict. But
> in the current wars in Afghanistan and, especially, Iraq, DU has become the
> weapon of choice, with more than 1,000 tons used in Afghanistan and more
> than 3,000 tons used in Iraq. And while DU was fired mostly in the desert
> during the Gulf War, in the current war in Iraq, most of DU munitions are
> exploding in populated urban areas.*
> *The Pentagon has expanded DU beyond tank and A-10 shells, for use in
> bunker-busting bombs, which can spew out more than half a ton of DU in one
> explosion, in anti-personnel bomblets, and even in M-16 and pistol shells.
> The military loves DU for its unique penetration capability–it cuts through
> steel or concrete like they’re butter.*
> In later years, I’ve done more reporting on the US military’s use of
> depleted uranium, which the Pentagon loves because of its unique ability to
> penetrate even thick solid steel tank armor and reinforced concrete bunkers
> with ease, bursting into intense flame on impact and spreading super toxic
> uranium oxide dust in the aftermath. There is no dispute about the use of
> these weapons by US forces. But in 2005, the Pentagon was fighting a brutal
> rear-guard battle to claim the stuff is safe and at the same time that it
> was not being used in populated urban areas. Both claims were official lies.
>
> Particularly active and voluble in this letter-writing campaign to ITT
> targeting my article, all of which correspondence was posted on the ITT
> website, were people like Jack Cohen-Joppe, retired Air Force Col. Roger
> Helbig, and US Army Col. Rick Thomas.
>
> I could never figure out what Cohen-Joppe’s motivation was, or who if
> anyone is behind him. A self-described opponent of nuclear weapons and
> especially nuclear power, Cohen-Joppe, from Tucson AZ, has for some reason
> had what I have described as an “Ahab-like obsession” with attempting to
> debunk claims of US depleted-uranium weapons, although such use has been
> admitted by the Pentagon. Meanwhile, Helbig and Thomas appear to have more
> sinister connections to the Pentagon. Both show up in troll campaigns
> whenever articles about depleted uranium weapons appear. They also have had
> a years-long campaign to smear and discredit one of the main whistleblowers
> about DU, Dr. Doug Rocke, a former Army Captain who conducted a Pentagon
> study on the safety (lack of safety) of DU weapons, and who also ran a
> campaign to decontaminate sites in Kuwait where DU weapons had been used,
> scattering toxic uranium oxide dust. For example, Helbig has claimed Rocke
> was never ranked higher than Lieutenant, and that he never ran a DU study
> or worked on decontamination after the Gulf War. Yet I was shown documents
> by Rocke showing his recommendation for promotion to Captain, and
> commending him for his study and his work in Kuwait.
> Their attack on my ITT article was a success, in large part because of the
> cowardice and lack of principle of ITT’s editor, Joel Bleifus. As I wrote
> in my Counterpunch article, Bleifus ran Cohen-Joppe’s letter criticizing my
> article in a subsequent issue of the magazine without warning me and giving
> me an opportunity to respond to his fact-free criticism. This despite it
> being standard policy at ITT for its writers to get a chance to respond to
> any such published letters in the same issue. When I complained, I was
> eventually allowed to write a letter of response, but Bleifus cut it and
> added a note of his own saying he didn’t agree with my response. It was
> shabby behavior of the worst sort, and also in retrospect a huge
> embarrassment to Bleifus and *In These Times*, as more and more evidence
> has come out of the dreadful multi-generational impact of the US military’s
> use of DU weapons all over Iraq, including in its cities.
> But more important than ITT’s lack of courage and principle was the
> success of the Pentagon’s fake news and trolling campaign, in this case in
> defense of its grotesque DU weapons: as a matter of principle I had to tell
> ITT to take my name off their masthead, and said I would never write for
> such a crappy publication again. I’m confident enough in the quality of my
> work to say that this was totally *In These Times’* loss, not mine. But
> it’s also the Pentagon’s victory.
>
> And make no mistake: the Pentagon has long been in the business of
> producing fake news and of trolling letters to the editor pages as a way of
> manipulating the news to its own advantage.
>
> Check out these stories:
> Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2006%2F04%2F09%2FAR2006040900890.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127053611&sdata=bBMLTrK1cdzA%2BotVYutKFV4Q%2FQjRDAEkMhhma56UlK4%3D&reserved=0>
> Pentagon Paid for Fake ‘Al Qaeda’ Videos
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fpentagon-paid-for-fake-al-qaeda-videos&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127053611&sdata=5ZuM%2FgI4sCEihWX9%2BWH6kfZy%2BjgWx9snOrCSI1B11MA%3D&reserved=0>
> Pentagon Pundit Scandal Broke the Law
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prwatch.org%2Fnews%2F2008%2F04%2F7261%2Fpentagon-pundit-scandal-broke-law&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127209817&sdata=63jcIHjXGmgr%2B1ieKwEDAVhMgz5mIa9nQlXdGA%2FQwmQ%3D&reserved=0>
> Pentagon Contractor Admits to Attacks on Journalists
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2Fsections%2Fthetwo-way%2F2012%2F05%2F24%2F153643482%2Fco-owner-of-pentagon-propaganda-contractor-admits-attacking-journalists&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127209817&sdata=%2FzC3XaGk90t9fALbl6W3I0BmwJL0nFCStSOtnjEGfOw%3D&reserved=0>
> Pentagon Ramping Up Public Relations Offensive
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fid%2F15489645%2Fns%2Fus_news-security%2Ft%2Fpentagon-ramping-public-relations-offensive%2F%23.WpLlnJPwbzY&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127209817&sdata=V50Fod7hwXaGSCt6BiR%2BbJMI2LOoa2tTl53Ycu9yvM4%3D&reserved=0>
> Revealed: US Spy Program that Manipulates Social Media
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fid%2F15489645%2Fns%2Fus_news-security%2Ft%2Fpentagon-ramping-public-relations-offensive%2F%23.WpLlnJPwbzY&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127209817&sdata=V50Fod7hwXaGSCt6BiR%2BbJMI2LOoa2tTl53Ycu9yvM4%3D&reserved=0>
> US Media Knew Kosovo Kosovo Official Reports Were Propaganda
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Falbionmonitor.com%2F9909a%2Fkosovocomplicit.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127209817&sdata=E8uHO%2FLoBLfxeWRSTRnlhOLCGlARNSGV8DVskupy2qE%3D&reserved=0>
> Of course, official government propaganda — that is the production of what
> is now called “fake news” and the employment of an army of paid Pentagon
> “trolls” or “sock puppets” to undermine journalists and their supporters
> online — has continued.
>
> In fact, back during the heat of the Iraq occupation and the Bush/Cheney
> administration’s efforts to lay the groundwork for a police state spying
> system, I heard from someone at CommonDreams.org <http://commondreams.org>
> that that organization, concerned by the number of trolls who were clogging
> up their comment section after articles they ran, did an investigation of
> the ISPs of the trolls and discovered that many of them were originating in
> the Department of Defense. There were plans to write an expose of this
> activity, but to the best of my knowledge, no such article ever ran.
> The most recent egregious effort in that vein was the successful promotion
> of what appears to have been a Pentagon effort in which the *Washington
> Post* obligingly published a screaming page-one headline touting a list
> of 200 online sites, most of them American, said to be tools of, or “useful
> idiots” supporting Russian propaganda. The shadowy organization behind that
> list, called PropOrNot, was allowed to remain anonymous, both in terms of
> its personnel and its financing, but I was able to determine that at least
> one participant, whose “analysis” of an article of mine in this
> publication, reprinted in Counterpunch, was so “appallingly pro-Russian”
> that it proved Counterpunch itself was a “pro-Russian” publication. The
> author or the review of my piece, Joel Harding, I discovered after a little
> research, had been a high-ranking member of the Army’s Stratcom
> headquarters based at Ft. Detrick outside of Washington, DC. This is where
> the military’s Cyberspace Command is based — Harding’s area of expertise.
>
> Here’s my expose about the Pentagon’s role in that pathetic effort by the
> Washington Post to return us to the McCarthy era of blacklists and
> reputation assassination:
> Is the Pentagon Behind the Washington Post’s McCarthyite Hit on
> Independent Alternative Journalism?
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thiscantbehappening.net%2Fnode%2F3373%25E2%2580%259D&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127209817&sdata=gtKK7cGRm7gXIVy9sBApu0TDad%2B7a3SPpKznNoMok8k%3D&reserved=0>
> I have no doubt that Russia engaged in some attempts at using Social Media
> to sow confusion and conflict in the US during the last election, and
> during the current divisive Trump presidency, nor do I doubt that Russia
> will make similar efforts going forward during the next two election cycles
> in 2018 and 2020. But it’s worth recalling that the US has been doing
> exactly the same thing. As Clinton CIA Director James Woolsey admitted in
> an interview on Fox TV recently
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F02%2F17%2Fsunday-review%2Frussia-isnt-the-only-one-meddling-in-elections-we-do-it-too.html%25E2%2580%259D&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce6a98b29a397442a829508d57df7752b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636553424127209817&sdata=AQPwTkvG%2BjelEowXz%2F5lFiiUnVPDFh%2B2a7uGnXq5tlw%3D&reserved=0>,
> the US has regularly interfered in at least 81 countries’ elections.
> Included in those efforts, which also included overthrowing elected
> governments in places like Guatemala, Iran and Chile, was a major US covert
> and overt campaign that helped the epically corrupt Russian leader Boris
> Yeltsin win re-election in 2012.
>
> Americans need to take a deep breath. What is happening currently, with
> Russia putting out fake news on US social media platforms, is not any
> different from what the Pentagon, and no doubt other US government
> organizations are doing and have been doing for decades to corruptly
> influence public opinion. Much of it, like buying ads, is not even illegal,
> at least for foreign private entities. It should be illegal for US
> government departments.
>
> We’re living in complicated times, where it’s not enough any longer to
> just watch or read the news put out by once-respected mainstream news
> sources. We know that they’ve all become incredibly corrupted by their near
> monopoly status in most markets, their vulnerability to government
> pressure, and by reporters’ loss of professionalism in the face of
> increasing job insecurity. Citizens need to become much more critical in
> their evaluation of news, to turn to multiple sources including
> non-mainstream and foreign news media, and to understand that in many cases
> what is being presented as objective news is actually little more than
> government propaganda.
>
> We have to develop this ability to think and evaluate for ourselves,
> because it’s clear things are only going to get worse.
>
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