From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Apr 1 02:34:59 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:34:59 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. laborvideo https://youtube.com/watch?v=3W_9H0a9LBY -- (28m 58s) "War Against Italian Fed-Ex_Amazon Logistics Workers - Police & Government Repression Attacks Escalate" https://youtube.com/watch?v=u-n1Neu5qwM -- (1h 5m 22s) "The AFL-CIO, NED, Solidarity Center & US Labor Imperialism With Kim Scipes" Grayzone https://youtube.com/watch?v=qZkxaEC1xjY -- (28m 52s) "Max Blumenthal debunks US accusation of China's 'genocide' against Uighurs" https://youtube.com/watch?v=0D77XLKWTPA -- (1h 4m 40s) "Inside China, Xinjiang, and the US empire's war drive - with Daniel Dumbrill" RT https://youtube.com/watch?v=jkA8RQuAaOk -- (11m 13s) "NATO Bombs on Yugoslavia | Short Doc" From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Apr 1 23:00:01 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 18:00:01 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=22Noam_Chomsky=3A_Biden=E2=80=99s_For?= =?utf-8?q?eign_Policy_Is_Largely_Indistinguishable_From_Trump=E2=80=99s?= =?utf-8?q?=22_and_commentary_from_Jimmy_Dore?= Message-ID: <5180b8be-cb01-72a8-e984-9df46b9779e8@forestfield.org> From https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-bidens-foreign-policy-is-largely-indistinguishable-from-trumps/ -- "Noam Chomsky: Biden?s Foreign Policy Is Largely Indistinguishable From Trump?s" > President Joe Biden?s domestic policies, especially on the economic front, are > quite encouraging, offering plenty of hope for a better future. The same, > however, cannot be said about the administration?s foreign policy agenda, as Noam > Chomsky?s penetrating insights and astute analysis reveal in this exclusive > interview for Truthout. Chomsky is a world-famous public intellectual, Institute > Professor Emeritus at MIT and Laureate Professor of Linguistics at the University > of Arizona. > > C.J. Polychroniou: Noam, two months after being in the White House, Biden?s > foreign policy agenda is beginning to take shape. What are the signs so far of > how the Biden administration intends to address the challenges to U.S. hegemony > posed by its primary geopolitical rivals, namely Russia and China? > > Noam Chomsky: The challenge to U.S. hegemony posed by Russia and particularly > China has been a major theme of foreign policy discourse for some time, with > persistent agreement on the severity of the threat. > > The matter is plainly complex. It?s a good rule of thumb to cast a skeptical eye > when there is general agreement on some complex issue. This is no exception. > > What we generally find, I think, is that Russia and China sometimes deter U.S. > actions to enforce its global hegemony in regions on their periphery that are of > particular concern to them. One can ask whether they are justified in seeking to > limit overwhelming U.S. power in this way, but that is a long distance from the > way the challenge is commonly understood: as an effort to displace the U.S. > global role in sustaining a liberal rule-based international order by new centers > of hegemonic power. > > Do Russia and China actually challenge U.S. hegemony in the ways commonly > understood? > > Russia is not a major actor in the world scene, apart from the military force > that is a (very dangerous) residue of its earlier status as a second superpower. > It does not begin to compare with the U.S. in outreach and influence. > > China has undergone spectacular economic growth, but it is still far from > approaching U.S. power in just about any dimension. It remains a relatively poor > country, ranked 85th in the UN Human Development Index, between Brazil and > Ecuador. The U.S., while not ranked near the top because of its poor social > welfare record, is far above China. In military strength and global outreach > (bases, forces in active combat), there is no comparison. U.S.-based > multinationals have about half of world wealth and are first (sometimes second) > in just about every category. China is far behind. China also faces serious > internal problems (ecological, demographic, political). The U.S., in contrast, has > internal and security advantages unmatched anywhere. > > Take sanctions, a major instrument of world power for one country on Earth: the > U.S. They are, furthermore, third-party sanctions. Disobey them, and you?re out > of luck. You can be tossed out of the world financial system, or worse. It?s > pretty much the same wherever we look. > > If we look at history, we find regular echoes of Sen. Arthur Vandenberg?s 1947 > advice to the president that he should ?scare hell out of the American people? if > he wanted to whip them up to a frenzy of fear over the Russian threat to take > over the world. It would be necessary to be ?clearer than truth,? as explained by > Dean Acheson, one of the creators of the postwar order. He was referring to NSC-68 > of 1950, a founding document of the Cold War, declassified decades later. Its > rhetoric continues to resound in one or another form, again today about China. > > NSC-68 called for a huge military build-up and imposition of discipline on our > dangerously free society so that we can defend ourselves from the ?slave state? > with its ?implacable purpose? to eliminate the challenge of freedom? everywhere, > establishing ?total power over all men [and] absolute authority over the rest of > the world.? And so on, in an impressive flow. > > China does confront U.S. power ? in the South China Sea, not the Atlantic or > Pacific. There is an economic challenge as well. In some areas, China is a world > leader, notably renewable energy, where it is far ahead of other countries in > both scale and quality. It is also the world?s manufacturing base, though profits > go mostly elsewhere, to managers like Taiwan?s Foxconn or investors in Apple, > which is increasingly reliant on intellectual property rights ? the exorbitant > patent rights that are a core part of the highly protectionist ?free trade? > agreements. > > China?s global influence is surely expanding in investment, commerce, takeover of > facilities (such as management of Israel?s major port). That influence is likely > to expand if it moves forward with provision of vaccines virtually at cost in > comparison with the West?s hoarding of vaccines and its impeding of distribution > of a ?People?s Vaccine? so as to protect corporate patents and profits. China is > also advancing substantially in high technology, much to the consternation of the > U.S., which is seeking to impede its development. > > It is rather odd to regard all of this as a challenge to U.S. hegemony. > > U.S. policy might help create a more serious challenge by confrontational and > hostile acts that drive Russia and China closer together in reaction. That has, > in fact, been happening, under Trump and in Biden?s first days ? though Biden did > respond to Russia?s call for renewing the New START Treaty on limiting nuclear > weapons at the last minute, salvaging the one major element of the arms control > regime that had escaped Trump?s wrecking ball. > > Clearly what is needed is diplomacy and negotiations on contested matters, and > real cooperation on such crucial issues as global warming, arms control, future > pandemics ? all very severe crises that know no borders. Whether Biden?s hawkish > foreign policy team will have the wisdom to move in these directions is, for now, > at best unclear ? at worst, frightening. Absent significant popular pressures, > prospects do not look good. > > Another issue that calls for popular attention and activism is the policy of > protecting hegemony by seeking to harm potential rivals, very publicly in the > case of China, but elsewhere too, sometimes in ways that are sometimes hard to > believe. > > A remarkable example is buried in the Annual Report for 2020 of the Department of > Health and Human Services, proudly presented by Secretary Alex Azar. Under the > subheading ?Combatting malign influences in the Americas,? the report discusses > the efforts of the Department?s Office of Global Affairs (OGA) > > to mitigate efforts by states, including Cuba, Venezuela and Russia, who are > working to increase their influence in the region to the detriment of U.S. safety > and security. OGA coordinated with other U.S. government agencies to strengthen > diplomatic ties and offer technical and humanitarian assistance to dissuade > countries in the region from accepting aid from these ill-intentioned states. > Examples include using OGA?s Health Attach? office to persuade Brazil to reject > the Russian COVID-19 vaccine, and offering CDC technical assistance in lieu of > Panama accepting an offer of Cuban doctors. [Emphasis mine]. > > In the midst of a raging pandemic, according to this report, we must block > malignant initiatives to help miserable victims. > > Under President Jair Bolsonaro?s grotesque mismanagement, Brazil has become the > global horror story of failure to deal with the pandemic, despite its outstanding > health institutes and fine past record in vaccination and treatment. It is > suffering from a severe shortage of vaccines, so the U.S. takes pride in its > efforts to prevent it from using the Russian vaccine, which Western authorities > recognize to be comparable to the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines used here. > > Even more astonishing, as the author of this article in the EU-based Brasil Wire > comments, is ?that the US dissuaded Panama from accepting Cuban doctors, who have > been on the global front line against the pandemic, working in over 40 > countries.? We must protect Panama from the ?malign influence? of the one country > in the world to exhibit the kind of internationalism that is needed to save the > world from disaster, a crime that must be stopped by the global hegemon. > > Washington?s hysterical dedication to crush Cuba from almost the first days of > its independence in 1959 is one of the most extraordinary phenomena of modern > history, but still, the level of petty sadism is a constant surprise > > With regards to Iran, also there do not seem to be signs of hope as the Biden > administration has named Richard Nephew, an architect of sadistic sanctions > against Iran under Barack Obama, as its deputy Iran envoy. Right or wrong? > > Biden adopted Trump?s Iran program with virtually no change, even in rhetoric. It > is worthwhile to recall the facts. > > Trump withdrew U.S. participation in the JCPOA (the nuclear agreement), in > violation of UN Security Council Resolution 2331, which obligates all states to > abide by the JCPOA, and in violation to the wishes of all other signers. In an > impressive display of hegemonic power, when the UN Security Council members > insisted on abiding by 2331 and not extending UN sanctions, Secretary of State > Mike Pompeo told them to get lost: You are renewing the sanctions. Trump imposed > extremely harsh new sanctions to which others are obliged to conform, with the > goal of causing maximum pain to Iranians so that perhaps the government might > relent and accept his demand that the JCPOA be replaced by a new agreement that > imposes much harsher restrictions on Iran. The pandemic offered new opportunities > to torture Iranians by depriving them of desperately needed relief. > > Furthermore, it is Iran?s responsibility to take the first steps towards > negotiations to capitulate to the demands, by terminating actions it took in > reaction to Trump?s criminality. > > As we?ve discussed before, there is merit in Trump?s demand that the JCPOA can be > improved. A far better solution is to establish a nuclear weapons-free zone (or > WMD-free zone) in the Middle East. There is only one barrier: the U.S. will not > permit it, and vetoes the proposal when it arises in international forums, most > recently seen by President Obama. The reason is well-understood: It?s necessary > to protect Israel?s major nuclear arsenal from inspection. The U.S. does not even > formally acknowledge its existence. To do so would prejudice the vast flood of > U.S. aid to Israel, arguably in violation of U.S. law, a door that neither > political party wants to open. It?s another topic that will not even be discussed > unless popular pressure makes suppression impossible. > > In U.S. discourse, Trump is criticized because his policy of torturing Iranians > didn?t succeed in bringing the government to capitulate. The stance is > reminiscent of Obama?s highly praised moves towards limited relations with Cuba, > because, as he explained, we need new tactics after our efforts to bring democracy > to Cuba had failed ? namely, a vicious terrorist war that led almost to extinction > in the 1962 missile crisis and sanctions of unparalleled cruelty that are > unanimously condemned by the UN General Assembly (Israel excepted). Similarly, our > wars in Indochina, the worst crimes since World War II, are criticized as a > ?failure,? as is the invasion of Iraq, a textbook example of the ?supreme > international crime? for which Nazi war criminals were hanged. > > These are among the prerogatives of a true hegemon, immune to the cackles of > foreigners and confident in the support of those whom an acerbic critic once > called ?the herd of independent minds,? the bulk of the educated classes and the > political class. > > Biden took over the entire Trump program, without any change. And to twist the > knife further, he appointed Richard Nephew as deputy Iran envoy. Nephew has > explained his views in his book Art of Sanctions, where he outlines the proper > ?strategy to carefully, methodically, and efficiently increase pain on areas that > are vulnerabilities while avoiding those that are not.? Just the right choice for > the policy of torturing Iranians because the government that most of them despise > will not bend to Washington?s demands. > > Cuba since independence in 1959 has been the target of unremitting U.S. violence > and torture, reaching truly sadistic levels ? with scarcely a word of protest in > elite sectors. The U.S., fortunately, is an unusually free country, so we have > access to declassified records explaining the ferocity of the efforts to punish > Cubans. Fidel Castro?s crime, the State Department explained in the early years, > is its ?successful defiance? of U.S. policy since the Monroe Doctrine of 1823, > which declared Washington?s right to control the hemisphere. Plainly harsh > measures are required to stifle such efforts, as any Mafia Don would understand ? > and the analogy of world order to the Mafia has considerable merit. U.S. > government policy towards Cuba and Iran provides very valuable insight into how > the world works under the domination of imperial power. > > Much the same is true of Iran since 1979, when a popular uprising overthrew the > tyrant installed by the U.S. in a military coup that rid the country of its > parliamentary regime. Israel had enjoyed very close relations with Iran during > the years of the Shah?s tyranny and extreme human rights violations, and like the > U.S., was appalled by his overthrow. Israel?s de facto Ambassador to Iran, Uri > Lubrani, expressed his ?strong? belief that the uprising could be suppressed, and > the Shah restored ?by a very relatively small force, determined, ruthless, cruel. > I mean the men who would lead that force will have to be emotionally geared to > the possibility that they would have to kill ten thousand people.? > > U.S. authorities pretty much agreed. President Carter sent NATO Gen. Robert E. > Huyser to Iran to try to convince the Iranian military to undertake the task ? a > surmise confirmed by recently released internal documents. They refused, > considering it hopeless. Shortly after, Saddam Hussein invaded Iran ? an attack > that killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians, with full support from the Reagan > administration, even when Saddam resorted to chemical weapons, first against > Iranians, then against Iraqi Kurds in the Halabja atrocities. Reagan protected > his friend Hussein by attributing the crimes to Iran and blocking congressional > censure. He then turned to direct military support for Hussein with naval forces > in the Gulf. One vessel, the USS Vincennes, shot down an Iranian civilian > airliner in a clearly marked commercial airspace, killing 290 people, returning to > a royal welcome at its home base where the commander and flight officer who had > directed the destruction of the airliner were rewarded with Medals of Honor. > > Recognizing that it could not fight the U.S., Iran effectively capitulated. > Washington then to turned harsh sanctions against Iran, while rewarding Hussein > in ways that sharply increased threats to Iran, which was then just emerging from > a devastating war. President Bush I invited Iraqi nuclear engineers to the U.S. > for advanced training in nuclear weapons production, no small matter for Iran. He > pushed through agricultural aid that Hussein badly needed after having destroyed > rich agricultural areas with his chemical weapons attack against Iraqi Kurds. He > sent a high-level mission to Iraq headed by the Republican Senate leader Bob > Dole, later presidential candidate, to deliver his respects to Hussein, to assure > him that critical comment about him would be curbed on Voice of America, and to > advise Hussein that he should ignore critical comment in the press, which the > U.S. government can?t prevent. > > This was April 1990. A few months later, Hussein disobeyed (or misunderstood) > orders and invaded Kuwait. Then everything changed. > > Almost everything. Punishment of Iran for its ?successful defiance? continued, > with harsh sanctions, and new initiatives by President Bill Clinton, who issued > executive orders and signed congressional legislation sanctioning investment in > Iran?s oil sector, the basis of its economy. Europe objected, but had no way to > avoid U.S. extraterritorial sanctions. > > U.S. firms suffered too. Princeton University Middle East specialist Seyed > Hossein Mousavian, former spokesman for Iran nuclear negotiators, reports that > Iran had offered a billion-dollar contract to the U.S. energy firm Conoco. > Clinton?s intervention, blocking the deal, closed off an opportunity for > reconciliation, one of many cases that Mousavian reviews. > > Clinton?s action was part of a general pattern, an unusual one. Ordinarily, > particularly on energy-related issues, policy conforms to Adam Smith?s comments > on 18th-century England, where the ?masters of mankind? who own the private > economy are the ?principal architects? of government policy, and act to ensure > that their own interests are foremost, however ?grievous? the effect on others, > including the people of England. Exceptions are rare, and instructive. > > Two striking exceptions are Cuba and Iran. Major business interests > (pharmaceuticals, energy, agribusiness, aircraft, and others) have been eager to > break into Cuban and Iranian markets and to establish relations with domestic > enterprises. State power bars any such moves, overruling parochial interests of > the ?masters of mankind? in favor of the transcendent goal of punishing > successful defiance. > > There?s a good deal to say about these exceptions to the rule, but it would take > us too far afield. > > The release of the Jamal Khashoggi murder report disappointed almost everyone, > save Saudi Arabia. Why is the Biden administration taking such a soft approach > towards Saudi Arabia, and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in particular, which > prompted New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof to write that, ?Biden ? let > the murderer walk?? > > Not hard to guess. Who wants to offend the close ally and regional power that the > State Department described during World War II as ?a stupendous source of > strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history ? > probably the richest economic prize in the world in the field of foreign > investment.? The world has changed in many ways since, but the basic reasoning > remains. > > Biden had promised that, if elected, he would scale back Trump?s nuclear weapons > spending, and that the U.S. would not rely on nuclear weapons for defense. Are we > likely to see a dramatic shift in U.S. nuclear strategy under the Biden > administration whereby the use of these weapons will be far less likely? > > For reasons of cost alone, it is a goal that should be high on the agenda of > anyone who wants to see the kinds of domestic programs the country badly needs. > But the reasons go far beyond. Current nuclear strategy calls for preparation for > war ? meaning terminal nuclear war ? with China and Russia. > > We should also remember an observation of Daniel Ellsberg?s: Nuclear weapons are > constantly used, much in the way a gun is used by a robber who aims his gun at a > storekeeper and says, ?Your money or your life.? The principle in fact is > enshrined in policy, in the important 1995 document ?Essentials of Post-Cold War > Deterrence? issued by Clinton?s Strategic Command (STRATCOM). The study concludes > that nuclear weapons are indispensable because of their incomparable destructive > power, but even if not used, ?nuclear weapons always cast a shadow over any > crisis or conflict,? enabling us to gain our ends through intimidation; Ellsberg?s > point. The study goes on to authorize ?preemptive? use of nuclear weapons and > provides advice for planners, who should not ?portray ourselves as too fully > rational and cool-headed.? Rather, the ?national persona we project? should be > ?that the US may become irrational and vindictive if its vital interests are > attacked and that ?some elements may appear to be potentially ?out of control.?? > > Richard Nixon?s ?madman theory,? but this time not from reports by associates but > from the designers of nuclear strategy. > > Two months ago, the UN Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons went into > effect. The nuclear powers refused to sign, and still violate their legal > responsibility under the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons to undertake > ?effective measures? to eliminate nuclear weapons. That stance is not carved in > stone, and popular activism could induce significant moves in that direction, a > necessity for survival. > > Regrettably, that level of civilization still seems beyond the range of the most > powerful states, which are careening in the opposite direction, upgrading and > enhancing the means to terminate organized human life on Earth. > > Even junior partners are joining in the race to destruction. Just a few days ago, > British Prime Minister Boris Johnson ?announced a 40 per cent increase in UK?s > stockpile of nuclear warheads. His review? recognised ?the evolving security > environment?, identifying Russia as Britain?s `most acute threat?.? > > Lots of work to do. Jimmy Dore's commentary on this article is on https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yk1QBIOQx_Q and ends with his take on Chomsky's electoral advice: > Jimmy Dore: So, the idea that the United States cares about humanitarian rights, > or anything, or anybody, or any other thing, you're wrong. And Noam Chomsky nails > it, this time, he gets it right. But it's the guy that he told you to vote for. > He said you gotta vote for Joe Biden if you're a moral person. Joe Biden's just > like Trump. Well, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Chomsky was wrong > again. What do you fuckin' know about that? From r-szoke at illinois.edu Fri Apr 2 19:25:51 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 19:25:51 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fallout from the Big Lie Message-ID: NPR, Updated March 26, 2021, 11:14 AM ET Dominion Voting Systems has filed a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News, saying the network spread false claims that the voting machine company was involved in voter fraud during the 2020 presidential election. "Fox sold a false story of election fraud in order to serve its own commercial purposes, severely injuring Dominion in the process," according to the lawsuit filed Friday in Delaware. "If this case does not rise to the level of defamation by a broadcaster, then nothing does." "Fox endorsed, repeated, and broadcast a series of verifiably false yet devastating lies about Dominion," the complaint says, including claims that the company's software manipulated the results of the 2020 vote.? [ N.B. The Sidney Powell Defense Maneuver : Her creative & innovative defense against the defamation charges in the voting machine company lawsuit was that what she said on Fox in defense of the Trumpian lies about a rigged, fraudulent & stolen election was POLITICAL FREE SPEECH advocacy & obviously so absurd & ridiculous that no normal, reasonable person could have taken it seriously. ? RSz. ] # # # From r-szoke at illinois.edu Fri Apr 2 19:25:51 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 19:25:51 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fallout from the Big Lie Message-ID: NPR, Updated March 26, 2021, 11:14 AM ET Dominion Voting Systems has filed a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News, saying the network spread false claims that the voting machine company was involved in voter fraud during the 2020 presidential election. "Fox sold a false story of election fraud in order to serve its own commercial purposes, severely injuring Dominion in the process," according to the lawsuit filed Friday in Delaware. "If this case does not rise to the level of defamation by a broadcaster, then nothing does." "Fox endorsed, repeated, and broadcast a series of verifiably false yet devastating lies about Dominion," the complaint says, including claims that the company's software manipulated the results of the 2020 vote.? [ N.B. The Sidney Powell Defense Maneuver : Her creative & innovative defense against the defamation charges in the voting machine company lawsuit was that what she said on Fox in defense of the Trumpian lies about a rigged, fraudulent & stolen election was POLITICAL FREE SPEECH advocacy & obviously so absurd & ridiculous that no normal, reasonable person could have taken it seriously. ? RSz. ] # # # From carl at newsfromneptune.com Tue Apr 6 19:13:54 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 14:13:54 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FB banned this comment on your post as violating "community standards" Message-ID: De Vere is responsible for the Shakespeare corpus (with a lot of help), but this is right about the "terrific 2015 version [of the Scottish play] starring Michael Fassbinder and Marion Cotillard. For fun, show it alongside Men of Respect, a scene-for-scene retelling set in the world of New York?s mafia and starring John Turturro, Rod Steiger, Dennis Farina, Peter Boyle, and Stanley Tucci.? "Romeo and Juliet is also thematically relevant to teens entering the world of dating. Baz Luhrmann?s thrilling modern-day take stars a young Leonardo DiCaprio and Claire Danes.? ?Romeo and Juliet is not a love story It?s a 3-day relationship between a 13-year-old and a 17-year-old that caused 6 deaths. Sincerely, everyone who actually read it.? [youreecards, someecards.com] From carl at newsfromneptune.com Tue Apr 6 19:30:13 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 14:30:13 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FB is Stratfordian Message-ID: From jbn at forestfield.org Tue Apr 6 22:02:33 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:02:33 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Alexei Navalny news: interview with him in Russian prison, description of who he is and why the US establishment favors him Message-ID: <3a84b865-4999-8e5b-53e3-9fc71d87970a@forestfield.org> https://youtube.com/watch?v=gBYSq-KYs5I -- "RT visits prison where Navalny claims his medical care has been withheld" including a revealing interview with Alexei Navalny by Maria Butina, the woman the US jailed on a relatively minor FARA (foreign agents registration act) violation.[1] Who is Alexei Navalny? The Grayzone has a report on him: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UJX9pmr1I3E -- (56m 11s) "For Russian leftists, Western favorite Navalny represents same corrupt elitism". [1] I say "minor" here not because Butina's punishment was minor, it wasn't, but because there are other foreign agents who aren't pressured to comply with FARA registration to the point of having their Capitol credentials taken away from them. The BBC and CBC are far more compliant to US establishment wishes and, accordingly, their staff aren't forced into registration like RT's staff were. For a time, RT's Capitol credentials were denied to RT. And, as Lee Camp, host of RT's "Redacted Tonight", tells us in every recent episode of his show, "This is the show where Americans in America covering American news are called foreign agents". From jbn at forestfield.org Tue Apr 6 22:28:14 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:28:14 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Julian Assange and WikiLeaks-related stories in the news Message-ID: <746f29b9-3b9c-5e62-eda5-169dd3a0db67@forestfield.org> In light of the anniversary of the release of WikiLeaks' video "Collateral Murder" (https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/), here's some Julian Assange and WikiLeaks-related stories in the news. RT https://youtube.com/watch?v=3nWtOcYFg1U -- (2m 28s) "US says Assange will be safe there, but activists want the case dropped" https://youtube.com/watch?v=tY8eB_iip90 -- (1m 45s) "Silence! | RT America's correspondent's Twitter blocked for posting a video of alleged US war crimes" Consortium News https://youtube.com/watch?v=DhqooBv9bTA -- (5m 55s) "Australian Senators Janet Rice & Peter Whish-Wilson pledge to bring Assange home" https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zhm3MQTAdRM -- (34m 29s) "Lightning Talks: Assange Case - Next Steps" From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Apr 7 00:22:50 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 19:22:50 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jimmy Dore with Glenn Greenwald discussing "Securing Democracy" live now Message-ID: <8505105e-bba0-b23b-de3f-a44a7e04a6aa@forestfield.org> https://youtube.com/watch?v=b5sDwzHdxWk From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Apr 7 01:41:52 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 20:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: <9326e636-f1d4-3cb9-35e7-633983a177f7@forestfield.org> Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. -J RT https://yewtu.be/watch?v=soUaiQAyLuM -- (27m 51s) "Renegade Inc | The Empire Feeds off the Republic" with Grayzone's Ben Norton WikiLeaks https://youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik -- (39m 13s) Collateral Murder, full video Grayzone https://yewtu.be/watch?v=E4uotsKHuNQ -- (39m 43s) "As US continues New Cold War, Russia and China forge new ties" MintPressNews https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KAByzmfa0LA -- (1h 2m 44s) "US Escalates New Cold War as Diplomatic Gloves Come Off, with Carl Zha" laborvideo https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mooXPocphzM -- (18m 25s) "Brazilian Workers Face Covid, Bolsonaro, Racism & A Struggle Against Privatization" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=n4kFq2OxVA0 -- (6m 32s) "Italian FedEx Workers Fight Back" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=E7Renv6kzlI -- (5m 14s) "Strike By Seven Hundred SEIU 87Janitors In SF For PPE & A Contract: 26 Have Died From Covid" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_SHVKGgC-Xo -- (50m 23s) "Solidarity With Bessemer Alabama Amazon Workers! STOP Union Busting In Bessemer & San Francisco" From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Apr 7 23:49:51 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:49:51 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Jimmy_Dore_with_Glenn_Greenwald_discus?= =?utf-8?q?sing_=22Securing_Democracy=22_link=2C_Jimmy_Dore_with_Aaron_Mat?= =?utf-8?q?=C3=A9_live_now?= In-Reply-To: <3cabe1a9-2604-a7d0-8abd-f330bfb7cc9d@forestfield.org> References: <8505105e-bba0-b23b-de3f-a44a7e04a6aa@forestfield.org> <3cabe1a9-2604-a7d0-8abd-f330bfb7cc9d@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <1150cdf2-f174-67ba-1724-33e283f6dae3@forestfield.org> https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pd7rpvS06nU has the Glenn Greenwald segment I linked to yesterday (this segment is well worth watching). Jimmy Dore is live now with Mike Macrae (impersonator, stand-up comic) and later Aaron Mat? & Ron Placone on https://youtube.com/watch?v=kXQx6W0z30Y and they're going to cover what's being billed as "the culmination of all things Russiagate". As Greenwald points out in the first link above, Jimmy Dore continues to be one of the few places to get good coverage of real news. From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Apr 8 23:17:15 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 18:17:15 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jimmy Dore with Glenn Greenwald discussing "Securing Democracy" link In-Reply-To: <1150cdf2-f174-67ba-1724-33e283f6dae3@forestfield.org> References: <8505105e-bba0-b23b-de3f-a44a7e04a6aa@forestfield.org> <3cabe1a9-2604-a7d0-8abd-f330bfb7cc9d@forestfield.org> <1150cdf2-f174-67ba-1724-33e283f6dae3@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <82e3b83c-cd0d-7c0c-6b46-5069619d765d@forestfield.org> I wrote: > https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pd7rpvS06nU has the Glenn Greenwald segment I linked > to yesterday (this segment is well worth watching). It looks like the recent Greenwald interview is only being posted in segments so far. Perhaps the whole interview will be posted as one segment later. Meanwhile, here's another segment: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TJDOuvPsjm0 -- (28m 47s) "Glenn Greenwald Breaks Second Biggest Corruption Story Of Our Time" In this segment Glenn Greenwald tells us how he came to publish the "Car Wash" documents which exposed the Jair Bolsonaro/S?rgio Moro corruption, how Lula was wrongly jailed in order to get him out of the presidential race, and how Lula was later freed from prison. As Jimmy Dore says, it's hard to overstate the importance of Greenwald's investigative journalism in exposing "Operation Car Wash". I highly recommend watching this interview even if it only shows up in segments. I'd recommend the entire interview for UPTV but there's a considerable amount of language in it which we're told we cannot air on UPTV. And just in case YouTube censors the Jimmy Dore show, youtube-dl, (http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/) which is free software to download YouTube shows, is your friend. From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Apr 10 04:31:12 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 23:31:12 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] urldefense.com links In-Reply-To: References: <984C9CF3-8C52-4EDE-BD71-2F106A7B593A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <84517b89-8df6-a3c7-4613-430b16316379@forestfield.org> Karen Aram wrote: > Can someone tell me why at the bottom of the page, and within the link I provided, > is embedded: url defense.com/v3 Because the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign changes links (known as "URL rewriting") to use urldefense.com. Therefore anyone who uses their UIUC account to participate in a mailing list will end up passing on those urldefense.com links. https://answers.illinois.edu/51024 and https://answers.illinois.edu/page.php?id=50974 have more information on URL rewriting. From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Apr 10 21:59:32 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Cops interrogate activist over embarrassing Israel tweet -- https://youtube.com/watch?v=8z_Fa90BVTw Message-ID: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8z_Fa90BVTw -- (27m 39s) "Cops interrogate activist over embarrassing Israel tweet" Anya Parampil interviewed Ryan Wentz, https://twitter.com/queeralamode "Human Rights Watch Watcher", who received a visit from two California Highway Patrol plainclothes police officers claiming to work on behalf of the Capitol Police, after Wentz posted a non-threatening Twitter post which was critical of her allegiance to the Israel lobby. https://twitter.com/queeralamode/status/1379879392642408448 is the Twitter post in question which reads: > On April 1, @AOC did a livestream with Michael Miller, the head of the Jewish > Community Relations Council of New York. She was asked about ?peace between > Israelis and Palestinians.? > > Her response was incredibly underwhelming, to say the very least: followed by an excerpt of a video interview by the JCRC and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The interview is long, rambling, and eminently deserving of criticism. The video is incomprehensible because it's filled with nonsense phrases like "centering people's humanity" and talk about the "what" and "how" of something. That Twitter thread has many posts critiquing AOC's response. https://youtube.com/watch?v=1utNx-eJ3Yk from Jimmy Dore called the AOC interview a "word salad". According to Wentz, CHP Investigator Christopher Van Klaveren and one other officer "accused me of threatening @AOC on Twitter yesterday. This is provably false." (quote from https://twitter.com/queeralamode/status/1380284997785948162). More on this: Jimmy Dore https://youtube.com/watch?v=TTBVwTXM2eA -- in which Wentz said that some reply to his post was threatening AOC's life. I'm not sure which post that is, but Wentz rightly points out that he cannot be responsible for what other people post. One can clearly understand that this is powerful people abusing their power to silence dissent. Max Blumenthal/Grayzone https://thegrayzone.com/2021/04/09/anti-war-activist-police-aoc-video/ There's been no response from AOC pointing out how wrong it was to harass Wentz about this. AOC, as has been pointed out numerous times elsewhere, embraces the authoritarianism. From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Apr 11 22:49:07 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 17:49:07 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Censorship ahoy! YouTube clamps down on establishment-challenging media Message-ID: <99b723a0-c9fe-8d9f-b5cc-78a415475ea5@forestfield.org> https://youtube.com/watch?v=FQ7zy2hZxcw -- Jimmy Dore interviews Jordan Chariton of "Status Coup" discussing how YouTube is: * dishonestly representing popularity numbers (such as subscribers) by altering users' YouTube subscriptions (users find that some subscriptions are removed for them by YouTube without the user's consent). This occurs in both directions: alternative news loses subscribers and establishment media increases subscribers or remains inexplicably high. This video covers both, and Jimmy Dore has given a compelling argument explaining why The Young Turks' subscriber counts are high but somehow maintains very low live show viewership. CNN knows that Jimmy Dore gets more viewers than CNN does, and CNN hates this. * unpublishing videos for a variety of reasons including falsely claiming copyright infringement -- Status Coup (SC) shot video at a Trump rally. SC's video appeared on CNN (including CNN's YouTube uploads). SC's copy of their video was labeled as a 'copyright strike' allegedly infringing on someone else's copyright while CNN's copy of the same footage remained on YouTube. NASA has the same problem with its footage being taken down or flagged for alleged copyright problems: - with "bogus copyright claims" according to Cond? Nast (per https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/false-natgeo-copyright-claim-took-nasas-launch-video-down-this-weekend/ - https://9to5google.com/2012/08/06/nasas-official-mars-landing-video-got-taken-off-youtube-after-fictitious-copyright-claim-from-scripps/ on a false DMCA claim by Scripps against NASA. - https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/05302515238/did-ap-claim-copyright-public-domain-nasa-pictures.shtml when Associated Press tried to take copyright over NASA's work which is often added to the public domain. The show gets one big point right: this is not a "right vs. left" fight. Arguing over whose speech is more hindered goes nowhere because that mischaracterizes the fight and points to no solution. This is a popular mistaken talking point for lesser discussion shows like a disappointing new RT show called "Eat the Press". A more productive way to see who the players are is to think of a three way split: those who challenge the establishment, those who aren't a threat to the establishment, and those who support/buoy the establishment. Most uploaders will fill the second category. Jimmy Dore (for now) is a member of the latter category and CNN a member of the first category. Dore has remained consistent that he'd become an establishment hawk if it paid well enough. Unfortunately this Dore/Chariton interview comes with advice that doesn't convince me that they understand the scope of the problem: Chariton and Dore address the common response "you should switch to (some other system)" but their response (join Rokfin and Twitch in addition to YouTube) is not compelling. So long as that other system is a single point of censorship like YouTube is, switching is no real solution. If Rokfin, Twitch (owned by Amazon), or one's own site becomes popular then the same pressure can and will be exerted on them to stop anyone from challenging the establishment. The catch is: - everything deployed on the Internet in a single-server arrangement has failure/censorship built into it. - anything deployed in a decentralized fashion is harder to take down but doesn't have a ready-made business model built into it (which is what commercial operations like Chariton's Status Coup is looking for even though he doesn't explicitly call for this in this interview; instead he makes reference to paying for things like a working trip to Flint, Michigan to do reporting). There are no easy answers. There is no simple 'use this instead' solution that will deliver censor-free delivery of programs to anyone where the delivery mechanism also makes money and shares a portion of that money with popular uploaders. As Glenn Greenwald can attest to, so long as you're supplying your material to someone else or some organization you can be censored if you become a threat to the relevant establishment. The best we have now is to convince one's audience to pay and perhaps offer additional material to incentivize payment (Jimmy Dore hosts a subscribers-only show and access to the live show archive, to name a couple of examples). Greenwald offers limited access to articles for non-subscribers and subscribers get full access to older articles plus a subscriber-only audio show. From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Apr 12 05:33:15 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 00:33:15 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. I see that Karen Aram sent an interview over to Jason Liggett of UPTV to run (the Moderate Rebels entry listed below came courtesy of Karen), and I think that's great. Thanks Karen! As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your pointers to Jason Liggett (jcliggett at urbanaillinois.us). I routinely ask him to prioritize AWARE members pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. -J Moderate Rebels https://youtube.com/watch?v=eIyDph25s10 -- (32m 49s) "As US sanctions suffocate Syrians, regime-change operatives attack anti-war movement in open letter" Shadowproof https://youtube.com/watch?v=eA6xzH7HW0Y -- (58m 44s) "Seattle City Council Member Kshama Sawant On The Ruling Elite's Recall Effort Against Her" https://youtube.com/watch?v=WnrvTA7UWtU -- (40m 58s) "Dissenter Weekly: Drone Whistleblower Becomes First Whistleblower To Be Convicted Under Biden" https://youtube.com/watch?v=PkIwGIVfORE -- (11m 56s) "Unauthorized Disclosure: COVID-19 And Vaccine-Hoarding By Rich Countries" RT https://youtube.com/watch?v=ykg7jvtEI0I -- (27m 23s) On Contact with Chris Hedges interviews Richard Wolff: "American Economic Illusions" Transcript: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/520622-american-economic-illusion-projects/ Status Coup https://youtube.com/watch?v=ONm3SCgeJxc -- (8m) "Big Grocery CLOSES Stores Rather Than Pay Workers Fair Wages- Tina-Desiree Berg Reports On-Scene" https://youtube.com/watch?v=0d5GJHxAXnQ -- (6m 23s) "Amazon's SHOCKING Culture of FEAR Harms Efforts to Unionize" https://youtube.com/watch?v=CJU9nXv_W0Q -- (7m 57s) "WHISTLEBLOWER: Amazon DECEIVES for Profit by Cloaking COVID" https://youtube.com/watch?v=z2gBTLfGzLE -- (12m 32s) "Biden's SHAMEFUL Faux-Progressivism Turns to Student Loans" From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Apr 15 23:51:13 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What's so special about Jimmy Dore these days? Message-ID: <518b07b7-2239-989f-2f83-5866c916c68d@forestfield.org> I've received a few emails asking why I think so highly of Jimmy Dore and point peace-discuss readers to his videos. I thought I'd take this opportunity to respond to this. https://youtube.com/watch?v=M0G2Rs5k5xM has a good summary of why I think Jimmy Dore's show matters: - Important stories that require guts to cover are covered by Jimmy Dore and the journalists he points his audience to including The Grayzone, Glenn Greenwald, some work from Secular Talk (youtube.com show), Jordan Chariton, Status Coup (youtube.com show), some labor activists doing one-off stories about striking workers, and not a whole lot of other places. - There are a lot of shills and establishment-friendly repeaters who go along with establishment narrative & fake news. Russiagate, Brazil's "Operation Car Wash" expos?, exposing the fake Syrian gas attack, the ongoing torture and imprisonment of Julian Assange, and a proper view of recent economic scandals (including #ForceTheVote, Amazon labor organizing/union creation/union busting, and what happened in the CARES Act) are a few of the biggest stories of the past 5 years. But the establishment media has covered them all badly (and some not covered at all, on purpose). CNN, BBC, (MS)NBC, Democracy Now, Disney, PBS, The Young Turks, Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Intercept are some of the establishment propagandists who will distract you or flatly ignore important stories. - I don't expect this to last: Jimmy Dore has repeatedly told us that he's not above being co-opted -- he repeats that claim in this video. He's not above becoming just another highly-paid MSNBC Russiagator alongside Rachel Maddow. Nobody has made him an offer. So instead he points us toward what actual investigative journalists find out. I have some issues where I disagree with Jimmy Dore to varying degrees: - Some of Jimmy Dore's criticisms aren't so important and some critiques distract a little from the point he's making (like commenting on someone's wardrobe or hairstyle); I don't care if a war criminal has an ill-fitting suit or an unflattering haircut. - His review of former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard's claim to anti-war fame (I suspect he's still sweet on her). - His review of Sen. Bernie Sanders (which is changing more toward something defensible and backed in facts, like what the late Bruce A. Dixon told us before the 2016 election in https://blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary). - The challenge he faces with his endorsement of The People's Party (particularly in light of the abject failure of the so-called "Justice Democrats" to be anything but just Democrats): Should The People's Party get people elected to Congress, how will that party prevent those People's Party Congressmembers from becoming establishment bulwarks? I think it would be good to get some challenging questions in front of TPP and after seeing 6 or so People's Party-related interviews on The Jimmy Dore Show I know I'm not going to get those questions posed there or answered there. Right now, none of those objections amount to something so important that they genuinely interfere with my ability to appreciate the importance of the stories and views which he brings up on his show. From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Apr 17 00:07:30 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 19:07:30 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What's so special about Jimmy Dore these days? In-Reply-To: <518b07b7-2239-989f-2f83-5866c916c68d@forestfield.org> References: <518b07b7-2239-989f-2f83-5866c916c68d@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <03f32e60-010c-c844-d2ed-7b07bfda9446@forestfield.org> I wrote: > There are a lot of shills and establishment-friendly repeaters who go along with > establishment narrative & fake news. Russiagate, Brazil's "Operation Car Wash" > expos?, exposing the fake Syrian gas attack, the ongoing torture and imprisonment > of Julian Assange, and a proper view of recent economic scandals (including > #ForceTheVote, Amazon labor organizing/union creation/union busting, and what > happened in the CARES Act) are a few of the biggest stories of the past 5 years. > But the establishment media has covered them all badly (and some not covered at > all, on purpose). CNN, BBC, (MS)NBC, Democracy Now, Disney, PBS, The Young Turks, > Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Intercept are some of the > establishment propagandists who will distract you or flatly ignore important > stories. In https://youtube.com/watch?v=TZRomf7vkWg ("Former Employee BLASTS 'Democracy Now' For Pushing Establishment Propaganda") Aaron Mat? and Jimmy Dore pointed out how Democracy Now (DN) is just another Russiagator with a self-debunking "Russian hackers targeted election systems in all 50 U.S. states" story (https://www.democracynow.org/2019/7/26/headlines/gop_blocks_election_security_bills_as_senators_warn_russia_targeted_all_50_states) which Aaron Mat? called "stenography". I don't agree with Mat? when he said at 4m 49s in https://youtube.com/watch?v=TZRomf7vkWg: > Aaron Mat?: [...] it's like they've forgotten everything that made them so great! > You know, which was exposing all this stuff. Now they're peddling it! And it all > happened in the Trump era. It all happened in the Russiagate era. It happened, you > know, and again -- I don't think it's because they sold out to money or whatever > else, I just think Trump broke a lot of people's brains. Russiagate was presented > as the thing that was gonna bring Trump down. It was presented as the explanation > for Trump's victory and then the answer to his presidency because it was going to > do him in because Mueller was going to find a secret conspiracy. And people like, > unfortunately, Amy Goodman and Democracy Now got duped by it and got duped into > going along with it and into promoting the most vile world views that they used to > once expose. It's crazy and it's not just with Trump and Russia, they also did > that with Syria too; their coverage on Syria has been just awful. I think that this explanation requires more psychological justification than has been backed with evidence. Danny Haiphong has criticized DN on DN's China coverage in https://blackagendareport.com/democracy-now-provides-progressive-cover-state-department-propaganda-campaign-against-china which begins: > The show has become a reliable platform for uncritical regime change propaganda, > demonizing targets of US empire from Syria to Nicaragua. > > ?DN often acts as a force multiplier for the State Department.? > > The U.S. has claimed a humanitarian ?Responsibility to Protect? to justify > military operations in the name of saving civilian lives from evil dictators. Most > notable have been the brutal U.S.-led wars in Libya and Syria which destabilized > entire regions in the name of ?civilian protection? and ?promoting democracy.? > These operations relied heavily on self-described human rights NGO?s and media > outlets to cultivate support among liberal sectors of the US intelligentsia. > Sadly, Democracy Now has been among the most influential and insidious outlets > carrying water for the humanitarian interventionist agenda. > > The flagship program of the left-wing Pacifica radio network, Democracy Now (DN) > and its founding host, Amy Goodman, are regarded as standard bearers of grassroots > progressivism. However, in recent years the show has become a reliable platform > for uncritical regime change propaganda, demonizing targets of US empire from > Syria to Nicaragua while sending a correspondent to embed with US-backed ?rebels? > in Libya. Now that China is in the crosshairs of the US, DN is playing host to > virtually any piece of humanitarian agitprop that Washington can conjure up, while > publishing a regular serving of sharply negative stories about Chinese government > and society. > > ?DN is playing host to virtually any piece of humanitarian agitprop that > Washington can conjure up.? > > A review by The Grayzone of every China-related report and interview Democracy Now > aired in the past year found that 3 out of every 4 painted China in a decidedly > negative light, often echoing narratives emanating from the US State Department. > Perhaps its most inflammatory and factually questionable report appeared this > February amid an escalating wave of anti-China propaganda. From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Apr 17 15:25:29 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Greenwald's "Journalists, Learning They Spread a CIA Fraud About Russia, Instantly Embrace a New One" is worth your time Message-ID: Greenwald has written the best debunking of the recent allegation that Russia placed bounties on the heads of US soldiers in Afghanistan I've read so far and he also includes a clear explanation of the problem of press subservience to the state, debunking the next evidenceless lie from Biden's Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, and the international relevance of these lies (hint: the US kills people based on these lies). In https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-spread Greenwald explains how that was always knowable as US government propaganda spread by establishment stenographers, how the admission of CIA sourcing came about, and what the new Russian lie is (quoting that article): > On Thursday, the U.S. Department of the Treasury, run by Biden?s Treasury > Secretary Janet Yellen, issued a short Press Release[1] about its targeting of > Russian-Ukrainian political consultant, Konstantin Kilimnik, with new sanctions. > One sentence of this press release asserted a claim that the Mueller > investigation, after searching for eighteen months, never found: namely, that > ?Kilimnik provided the Russia intelligence services with sensitive information on > polling and campaign strategy? that he received from then-Trump campaign manager > Paul Manafort. > > Is it true that Kilimnik passed this polling data to the Kremlin? Maybe. But > there is no way for a rational person ? let alone someone calling themselves a > ?journalist? ? to conclude that it is true. Why? Because, like the CIA tale about > Russian bounties ? a claim they learned yesterday had no evidence ? this is > nothing more than a U.S. Government assertion that lacks any evidence. [1] https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1382705877719908361 [...] > But the far more important point is the U.S. media's willingness ? their > subservient eagerness ? to obediently treat U.S. government pronouncements as > Truth. Just like with the Russia bounty story, where there were ample reasons to > doubt it from the start, the same is true of this Treasury Press Release. To begin > with, if this were such a smoking gun "confirming? collusion, why did the Mueller > investigation after eighteen months of highly aggressive subpoena-driven > investigative activity not discover it? > > Let's express this as clearly as it can be expressed. Any journalist who treats > unverified stories from the CIA or other government agencies as true, without > needing any evidence or applying any skepticism, is worthless. Actually, they are > worse than worthless: they are toxic influences who deserve pure contempt. Every > journalist knows that governments lie constantly and that it is a betrayal of > their profession to serve as mindless mouthpieces for these security agencies: > that is why they will vehemently deny they do this if you confront them with this > accusation. They know it is a shameful thing to do. > > But just look at what they are doing: exactly this. These are not journalists. > They are obsequious spokespeople for the CIA and other official authorities. Even > when they learn that they deceived millions of people by uncritically repeating a > story that the CIA told them was true, they will ? on the very same day that they > learn they did this ? do exactly the same thing, this time with a one-paragraph > Treasury Department Press Release. These are agents of disinformation: state > media. And when they speak, you should listen to them with the knowledge of what > they really are, and treat them accordingly. I think the entire article is worth reading. From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Apr 17 16:02:37 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 11:02:37 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My headers are "suspicious" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56c456a4-1f13-e7e7-27c3-da8060bd2173@forestfield.org> I wrote: > Greenwald has written the best debunking of the recent allegation that Russia placed > bounties on the heads of US soldiers in Afghanistan I've read so far and he also > includes a clear explanation of the problem of press subservience to the state, > debunking the next evidenceless lie from Biden's Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, and > the international relevance of these lies (hint: the US kills people based on these > lies). Apparently the parent post is being held for review on the peace list because that "Message has a suspicious header". So you probably won't see that post show up on peace for a while, if it shows up at all. From moboct1 at aol.com Sat Apr 17 19:29:20 2021 From: moboct1 at aol.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] My headers are "suspicious" In-Reply-To: <56c456a4-1f13-e7e7-27c3-da8060bd2173@forestfield.org> References: <56c456a4-1f13-e7e7-27c3-da8060bd2173@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <480023954.2236577.1618687760767@mail.yahoo.com> What?? P-D needs to be another censor on the block?? -----Original Message----- From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2021 9:03 am Subject: [Peace-discuss] My headers are "suspicious" I wrote: > Greenwald has written the best debunking of the recent allegation that Russia placed > bounties on the heads of US soldiers in Afghanistan I've read so far and he also > includes a clear explanation of the problem of press subservience to the state, > debunking the next evidenceless lie from Biden's Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, and > the international relevance of these lies (hint: the US kills people based on these > lies). Apparently the parent post is being held for review on the peace list because that "Message has a suspicious header". So you probably won't see that post show up on peace for a while, if it shows up at all. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moboct1 at aol.com Sat Apr 17 21:12:50 2021 From: moboct1 at aol.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] What's so special about Jimmy Dore these days? In-Reply-To: <03f32e60-010c-c844-d2ed-7b07bfda9446@forestfield.org> References: <518b07b7-2239-989f-2f83-5866c916c68d@forestfield.org> <03f32e60-010c-c844-d2ed-7b07bfda9446@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <544743900.2233491.1618693970344@mail.yahoo.com> All due respect to Amy and DN! for past journalist accomplishments, but some of the latter DN reporting and POV has not been objective or useful regarding Middle East especially in Syria) and Russia.? Perhaps this reversaI is due to? unreliable? sources of sources, or to what I seem to detect her?feminist IP in defense of Hillary for the 2016 Democratic loss and subsequent trumped-up [sic] blame for it on "Russiagate" by another femme fatale, Speaker Nancy Pelosi in pursuit of a link to Russia-Trump all the way to 2 failed and wasteful impeachments, without criticising the two flawed Democratic women. Midge? -----Original Message----- From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2021 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] What's so special about Jimmy Dore these days? I wrote: > There are a lot of shills and establishment-friendly repeaters who go along with > establishment narrative & fake news. Russiagate, Brazil's "Operation Car Wash" > expos?, exposing the fake Syrian gas attack, the ongoing torture and imprisonment > of Julian Assange, and a proper view of recent economic scandals (including > #ForceTheVote, Amazon labor organizing/union creation/union busting, and what > happened in the CARES Act) are a few of the biggest stories of the past 5 years. > But the establishment media has covered them all badly (and some not covered at > all, on purpose). CNN, BBC, (MS)NBC, Democracy Now, Disney, PBS, The Young Turks, > Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Intercept are some of the > establishment propagandists who will distract you or flatly ignore important > stories. In https://youtube.com/watch?v=TZRomf7vkWg ("Former Employee BLASTS 'Democracy Now' For Pushing Establishment Propaganda") Aaron Mat? and Jimmy Dore pointed out how Democracy Now (DN) is just another Russiagator with a self-debunking "Russian hackers targeted election systems in all 50 U.S. states" story (https://www.democracynow.org/2019/7/26/headlines/gop_blocks_election_security_bills_as_senators_warn_russia_targeted_all_50_states) which Aaron Mat? called "stenography". I don't agree with Mat? when he said at 4m 49s in https://youtube.com/watch?v=TZRomf7vkWg: > Aaron Mat?: [...] it's like they've forgotten everything that made them so great! > You know, which was exposing all this stuff. Now they're peddling it! And it all > happened in the Trump era. It all happened in the Russiagate era. It happened, you > know, and again -- I don't think it's because they sold out to money or whatever > else, I just think Trump broke a lot of people's brains. Russiagate was presented > as the thing that was gonna bring Trump down. It was presented as the explanation > for Trump's victory and then the answer to his presidency because it was going to > do him in because Mueller was going to find a secret conspiracy. And people like, > unfortunately, Amy Goodman and Democracy Now got duped by it and got duped into > going along with it and into promoting the most vile world views that they used to > once expose. It's crazy and it's not just with Trump and Russia, they also did > that with Syria too; their coverage on Syria has been just awful. I think that this explanation requires more psychological justification than has been backed with evidence. Danny Haiphong has criticized DN on DN's China coverage in https://blackagendareport.com/democracy-now-provides-progressive-cover-state-department-propaganda-campaign-against-china which begins: > The show has become a reliable platform for uncritical regime change propaganda, > demonizing targets of US empire from Syria to Nicaragua. > > ?DN often acts as a force multiplier for the State Department.? > > The U.S. has claimed a humanitarian ?Responsibility to Protect? to justify > military operations in the name of saving civilian lives from evil dictators. Most > notable have been the brutal U.S.-led wars in Libya and Syria which destabilized > entire regions in the name of ?civilian protection? and ?promoting democracy.? > These operations relied heavily on self-described human rights NGO?s and media > outlets to cultivate support among liberal sectors of the US intelligentsia. > Sadly, Democracy Now has been among the most influential and insidious outlets > carrying water for the humanitarian interventionist agenda. > > The flagship program of the left-wing Pacifica radio network, Democracy Now (DN) > and its founding host, Amy Goodman, are regarded as standard bearers of grassroots > progressivism. However, in recent years the show has become a reliable platform > for uncritical regime change propaganda, demonizing targets of US empire from > Syria to Nicaragua while sending a correspondent to embed with US-backed ?rebels? > in Libya. Now that China is in the crosshairs of the US, DN is playing host to > virtually any piece of humanitarian agitprop that Washington can conjure up, while > publishing a regular serving of sharply negative stories about Chinese government > and society. > > ?DN is playing host to virtually any piece of humanitarian agitprop that > Washington can conjure up.? > > A review by The Grayzone of every China-related report and interview Democracy Now > aired in the past year found that 3 out of every 4 painted China in a decidedly > negative light, often echoing narratives emanating from the US State Department. > Perhaps its most inflammatory and factually questionable report appeared this > February amid an escalating wave of anti-China propaganda. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nicholson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 18:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My headers are "suspicious" In-Reply-To: <480023954.2236577.1618687760767@mail.yahoo.com> References: <56c456a4-1f13-e7e7-27c3-da8060bd2173@forestfield.org> <480023954.2236577.1618687760767@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03132cc0-3e05-39d8-3ed0-aeceb946fe33@forestfield.org> Eventually my post to peace was approved, so it's now out to peace list subscribers who receive mail. See https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace/2021-April/016540.html for the archived copy. Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss wrote: > What? P-D needs to be another censor on the block? I have had multiple posts denied by peace-discuss because that mailing list (or perhaps the mail server peace-discuss is on) uses black.uribl.com which apparently contains entries matching where I'm posting from. Therefore my post to peace-discuss is rejected and I get an error message telling me as much. I think that could use looking into. I don't mind handling the spam filtering on the endpoint as that gives me more flexibility to decide what is spam. It would be useful to know how many posts the blacklists have stopped that appear to come from peace or peace-discuss list subscribers. From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Apr 18 00:31:04 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:31:04 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Greenwald interviewed by Hedges on RT is available now -- https://youtube.com/watch?v=GkptwyIYsxw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wrote: > Greenwald has written the best debunking of the recent allegation that Russia > placed bounties on the heads of US soldiers in Afghanistan I've read so far and he > also includes a clear explanation of the problem of press subservience to the > state, debunking the next evidenceless lie from Biden's Treasury Secretary Janet > Yellen, and the international relevance of these lies (hint: the US kills people > based on these lies). You'd better believe that https://youtube.com/watch?v=GkptwyIYsxw (25m 33s) -- On Contact with Chris Hedges interviewing Glenn Greenwald -- is going to make an appearance in the next batch of videos for UPTV. The transcript of Hedges interview with Greenwald should show up on https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/ eventually. From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sun Apr 18 00:33:37 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 00:33:37 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?=93You_are_BIASED_and__I_am_not?= =?windows-1252?q?=2E=94?= Message-ID: Copied from the ?critical thinking / cognitive bias? cards distributed by the School of Thought [ My interpolated comments are in square brackets. ? RSz. ] > CONFIRMATION BIAS You favor things that confirm your existing beliefs. We are primed to see and agree with ideas that fit our preconceptions, and to ignore and dismiss information that conflicts with them. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself ? and you are the easiest person to fool. ? Richard Feynman [ Sometimes called ?cherry-picking? & ?nit-picking.? One of the most extensively researched & frequently confirmed conclusions in recent cognitive psychology. ] > BELIEF BIAS If a conclusion supports your existing beliefs, you?ll rationalize anything that supports it. It?s difficult for us to set aside our existing ideas to consider the true merits of an argument. In practice, this means that our beliefs become impervious to criticism, and are perpetually reinforced. A useful thing to ask is ?When and how did I get this belief?? [ One of the rarest, most difficult & valuable things in life is to be able see ourselves as others see us, to ?objectify ourselves? & think honestly about how we acquired our most fundamental beliefs & convictions about ourselves, others & the world. ] > IN-GROUP BIAS You unfairly favor those who belong to your group. We presume that we are fair and impartial, but the truth is that we automatically favor those who are most like us, or belong to our groups. Try to imagine yourself in the position of those in out-groups, whilst also attempting to be dispassionate when judging those who belong to your groups. [ Sometimes called ?tribalism? or ?birds of a feather.? Also, consider your boss (or supervising professor or other authority figure) who, without ever realizing or admitting it, probably wants to replicate him/herself, so it will be to your advantage to imitate ? to think, act, look, dress, sound like, etc. ? this person as much as you possibly can without being too obvious about it, of course. Admittedly, this makes things more difficult if you are of a different race, ethnicity, sex, religion, political persuasion, etc., from the Big Cheese, but ?that?s life,? as the Joker says. ] # # # From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sun Apr 18 00:33:37 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 00:33:37 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?=93You_are_BIASED_and__I_am_not?= =?windows-1252?q?=2E=94?= Message-ID: Copied from the ?critical thinking / cognitive bias? cards distributed by the School of Thought [ My interpolated comments are in square brackets. ? RSz. ] > CONFIRMATION BIAS You favor things that confirm your existing beliefs. We are primed to see and agree with ideas that fit our preconceptions, and to ignore and dismiss information that conflicts with them. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself ? and you are the easiest person to fool. ? Richard Feynman [ Sometimes called ?cherry-picking? & ?nit-picking.? One of the most extensively researched & frequently confirmed conclusions in recent cognitive psychology. ] > BELIEF BIAS If a conclusion supports your existing beliefs, you?ll rationalize anything that supports it. It?s difficult for us to set aside our existing ideas to consider the true merits of an argument. In practice, this means that our beliefs become impervious to criticism, and are perpetually reinforced. A useful thing to ask is ?When and how did I get this belief?? [ One of the rarest, most difficult & valuable things in life is to be able see ourselves as others see us, to ?objectify ourselves? & think honestly about how we acquired our most fundamental beliefs & convictions about ourselves, others & the world. ] > IN-GROUP BIAS You unfairly favor those who belong to your group. We presume that we are fair and impartial, but the truth is that we automatically favor those who are most like us, or belong to our groups. Try to imagine yourself in the position of those in out-groups, whilst also attempting to be dispassionate when judging those who belong to your groups. [ Sometimes called ?tribalism? or ?birds of a feather.? Also, consider your boss (or supervising professor or other authority figure) who, without ever realizing or admitting it, probably wants to replicate him/herself, so it will be to your advantage to imitate ? to think, act, look, dress, sound like, etc. ? this person as much as you possibly can without being too obvious about it, of course. Admittedly, this makes things more difficult if you are of a different race, ethnicity, sex, religion, political persuasion, etc., from the Big Cheese, but ?that?s life,? as the Joker says. ] # # # From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Sun Apr 18 16:24:27 2021 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:24:27 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My headers are "suspicious" In-Reply-To: <03132cc0-3e05-39d8-3ed0-aeceb946fe33@forestfield.org> References: <56c456a4-1f13-e7e7-27c3-da8060bd2173@forestfield.org> <480023954.2236577.1618687760767@mail.yahoo.com> <03132cc0-3e05-39d8-3ed0-aeceb946fe33@forestfield.org> Message-ID: Hello JB, There have been other legitimate messages held up automatically because the chambana.net mailman software thought it had "suspicious header" blocks, but they seem to be rare.?? The only ones in the "peace" admin queue since last August that were flagged with a suspicious header were yours from yesterday, and two from Karen Medina sent last August. It's frustrating to moderate this list, because for some reason I no longer get e-mail messages summarizing the set of messages that have been held for moderation.?? I can still see them, but only if I know to look at the admin page.?? So when I saw your comment yesterday, I did set that message free. It's not obvious to me why it thinks the header is suspicious.?? (Would you like me to send you a copy of the full e-mail headers, in case you can tell why?) ? Though even if we did know the reason, I'm not sure what to do about it. One route might be to give up on lists.chambana.net e-mail server, and migrate to something else.?? Since I think some people still write to the @anti-war.net address, we'd need control over that.??? I believe it's in the name of Rosemary Braun - I last talked with her in 2007, and who knows whether she'll have 18-year-old login information, but can ask. On 4/17/21 6:11 PM, J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss wrote: > Eventually my post to peace was approved, so it's now out to peace > list subscribers who receive mail. See > https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace/2021-April/016540.html for > the archived copy. > > Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss wrote: >> What?? P-D needs to be another censor on the block? > > > I have had multiple posts denied by peace-discuss because that mailing > list (or perhaps the mail server peace-discuss is on) uses > black.uribl.com which apparently contains entries matching where I'm > posting from. Therefore my post to peace-discuss is rejected and I get > an error message telling me as much. I think that could use looking into. > > I don't mind handling the spam filtering on the endpoint as that gives > me more flexibility to decide what is spam. It would be useful to know > how many posts the blacklists have stopped that appear to come from > peace or peace-discuss list subscribers. > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Apr 19 22:34:30 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:34:30 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Moving peace & peace-discuss to better-maintained systems? In-Reply-To: References: <56c456a4-1f13-e7e7-27c3-da8060bd2173@forestfield.org> <480023954.2236577.1618687760767@mail.yahoo.com> <03132cc0-3e05-39d8-3ed0-aeceb946fe33@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <6fc79e85-b153-c831-a4c0-ceffd87921ba@forestfield.org> Stuart Levy wrote: > There have been other legitimate messages held up automatically because > the chambana.net mailman software thought it had "suspicious header" > blocks, but they seem to be rare.?? The only ones in the "peace" admin > queue since last August that were flagged with a suspicious header were > yours from yesterday, and two from Karen Medina sent last August. I've had other messages rejected for a few reasons: - server ran out of space - server "refused to talk to me" - I was "blocked using black.uribl.com" dating back to 2019-03-12. I don't know if these rejections will show up in your logs but I've got the undelivered mail messages dating back that far if proof is required. > It's frustrating to moderate this list, because for some reason I no longer get > e-mail messages summarizing the set of messages that have been held for > moderation. I can still see them, but only if I know to look at the admin page. > So when I saw your comment yesterday, I did set that message free. Thanks for checking the moderation page and letting my post go through to the mailing list. > It's not obvious to me why it thinks the header is suspicious. (Would you like me > to send you a copy of the full e-mail headers, in case you can tell why?) > Though even if we did know the reason, I'm not sure what to do about it. I'd take a look at them if you have them (please feel free to send them to me), but this may well be something configured on the server and not in Mailman, in which case changing this would mean working with the server admin to get that done. > One route might be to give up on lists.chambana.net e-mail server, and migrate to > something else. Since I think some people still write to the @anti-war.net > address, we'd need control over that. I believe it's in the name of Rosemary Braun > - I last talked with her in 2007, and who knows whether she'll have 18-year-old > login information, but can ask. I think it would be good to get that info from Rosemary Braun regardless of the outcome of this part of the discussion. I also think it would be good to move away from lists.chambana.net. I've endorsed moving the two AWARE mailing lists to another hoster before and I still think this is the best route for AWARE's benefit because: - it's important that someone current has the domain information, - it will be necessary to have that information when it's time to move the resources to another host (as appears to be the case now), - the only other option to keep things going as they are now is to get a new domain name and use that new domain name with the new hoster. In the past I've recommended Dreamhost as the hoster for the peace and peace-discuss mailing lists. I'd still recommend them as they're reasonably priced and have Mailman much like what you currently use. But they're certainly not the only option available for either domain registrar, website hosting (last I knew, AWARE had a website), and for email + mailing list. Some time ago I asked Dreamhost admins what it would take for them to keep the archives, mailing list subscribers (and their settings), and thus let us all continue posting to: peace at anti-war.net -- peace list posts peace-discuss at anti-war.net -- peace-discuss list posts I believe that I've got those notes and could supply them if desired. -J From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Apr 19 22:34:36 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:34:36 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jimmy Dore with Glenn Greenwald discussing "Securing Democracy" link In-Reply-To: <82e3b83c-cd0d-7c0c-6b46-5069619d765d@forestfield.org> References: <8505105e-bba0-b23b-de3f-a44a7e04a6aa@forestfield.org> <3cabe1a9-2604-a7d0-8abd-f330bfb7cc9d@forestfield.org> <1150cdf2-f174-67ba-1724-33e283f6dae3@forestfield.org> <82e3b83c-cd0d-7c0c-6b46-5069619d765d@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <4504064b-8e0a-a0a4-ccde-4f4294a5683d@forestfield.org> I wrote: > It looks like the recent Greenwald interview is only being posted in segments so far. > Perhaps the whole interview will be posted as one segment later. The complete interview is now posted to Jimmy Dore's YouTube channel: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BUMyQyTHI3E -- (54m 15s) "Glenn Greenwald On Breaking Two Biggest Stories of Generation (Complete Interview)" I heartily recommend watching the entire interview. -J From r-szoke at illinois.edu Tue Apr 20 20:24:46 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:24:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?=93You_are_BIASED_and__I_am_not?= =?windows-1252?q?=2E=94__V042021?= Message-ID: Copied from the ?critical thinking / cognitive bias? cards distributed by the School of Thought [ My interpolated comments are in square brackets. ? RSz. ] > THE JUST WORLD HYPOTHESIS Your preference for a just world makes you presume that it exists. A world in which people don?t always get what they deserve is an uncomfortable one that threatens our preferred narrative. A more just world requires understanding rather than blame. Try to remember that we?re all fallible, and that bad things happen to good people. [ And, of course, the flip side is that ? in defiance of the karmic principle? good things sometimes happen to bad & unworthy people: sometimes they do win the lottery, the billions, the award, the prize or the election. This is a standard ingredient of wishful & magical thinking. Many people seem to have the naive belief that a sort of rough justice prevails in the world, & that most people pretty much get what they deserve. Some believe that goodness, merit & virtue are ultimately rewarded (in Heaven if nowhere else ? pie in sky bye & bye, etc. Some theologies are built on this principle.) More mundane is the common practice of blaming the victim : she deserved it, he had it coming, they brought it on themselves (having made bad choices), etc. ] > SELF-SERVING BIAS You believe your failures are due to external factors, yet you?re personally responsible for your successes. Many of us enjoy unearned privileges, luck and advantages that others don?t. It?s easy to tell ourselves that we deserve these things, while blaming circumstances when things don?t go our way. [ Consider the common case of high public officials who take credit for a rising stock market & burgeoning economy, but refuse to admit any responsibility when things are moving in the opposite direction. ] > FUNDAMENTAL ATTRIBUTION ERROR You judge others on their character, but yourself on the situation. It?s not only kind to view others? perspectives with charity, it?s more objective too. Try to err on the side of taking personal responsibility rather than justifying and blaming. [ This has become one of the commonplaces of academic social psychology in response to the ever-insistent question: Who/what do we BLAME when bad things happen? (Favorites are: the Establishment, the Russians, the CIA, the Democrats, ?human nature,? ?society,? one?s personal enemies, the Devil, God.) Instead, ask: what can I/we constructively do to solve or ameliorate this problem? Insightful: Carol Tavris & Elliot Aronson, _Mistakes Were Made (but not by ME)_ : Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts (Harcourt, 2007, 292 pages). See, on the ?Central Park Jogger? case of 1989 : Five teenage Black & Hispanic boys were accused of raping and bludgeoning the female victim and luridly confessed to the crime. ?Donald Trump spent $80,000 on newspaper ads calling for them to get the death penalty.? But they were later proved to be innocent (p. 129). You might be astonished by the frequency with which some people ?confess? to sensational crimes that they did not commit. ] # # # From r-szoke at illinois.edu Tue Apr 20 20:24:46 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:24:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?=93You_are_BIASED_and__I_am_not?= =?windows-1252?q?=2E=94__V042021?= Message-ID: Copied from the ?critical thinking / cognitive bias? cards distributed by the School of Thought [ My interpolated comments are in square brackets. ? RSz. ] > THE JUST WORLD HYPOTHESIS Your preference for a just world makes you presume that it exists. A world in which people don?t always get what they deserve is an uncomfortable one that threatens our preferred narrative. A more just world requires understanding rather than blame. Try to remember that we?re all fallible, and that bad things happen to good people. [ And, of course, the flip side is that ? in defiance of the karmic principle? good things sometimes happen to bad & unworthy people: sometimes they do win the lottery, the billions, the award, the prize or the election. This is a standard ingredient of wishful & magical thinking. Many people seem to have the naive belief that a sort of rough justice prevails in the world, & that most people pretty much get what they deserve. Some believe that goodness, merit & virtue are ultimately rewarded (in Heaven if nowhere else ? pie in sky bye & bye, etc. Some theologies are built on this principle.) More mundane is the common practice of blaming the victim : she deserved it, he had it coming, they brought it on themselves (having made bad choices), etc. ] > SELF-SERVING BIAS You believe your failures are due to external factors, yet you?re personally responsible for your successes. Many of us enjoy unearned privileges, luck and advantages that others don?t. It?s easy to tell ourselves that we deserve these things, while blaming circumstances when things don?t go our way. [ Consider the common case of high public officials who take credit for a rising stock market & burgeoning economy, but refuse to admit any responsibility when things are moving in the opposite direction. ] > FUNDAMENTAL ATTRIBUTION ERROR You judge others on their character, but yourself on the situation. It?s not only kind to view others? perspectives with charity, it?s more objective too. Try to err on the side of taking personal responsibility rather than justifying and blaming. [ This has become one of the commonplaces of academic social psychology in response to the ever-insistent question: Who/what do we BLAME when bad things happen? (Favorites are: the Establishment, the Russians, the CIA, the Democrats, ?human nature,? ?society,? one?s personal enemies, the Devil, God.) Instead, ask: what can I/we constructively do to solve or ameliorate this problem? Insightful: Carol Tavris & Elliot Aronson, _Mistakes Were Made (but not by ME)_ : Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts (Harcourt, 2007, 292 pages). See, on the ?Central Park Jogger? case of 1989 : Five teenage Black & Hispanic boys were accused of raping and bludgeoning the female victim and luridly confessed to the crime. ?Donald Trump spent $80,000 on newspaper ads calling for them to get the death penalty.? But they were later proved to be innocent (p. 129). You might be astonished by the frequency with which some people ?confess? to sensational crimes that they did not commit. ] # # # From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Apr 24 20:20:22 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why Jimmy Dore, Grayzone, Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, et al aren't invited on MSNBC or CNN Message-ID: From the Jimmy Dore show last night: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IGx45OjCjC8 -- (16m 20s) "MSNBC Contributor Goes Off The Rails" about how the pro-war propagandist Jennifer Rubin is an exemplar for why real journalists (who challenge American wars) aren't invited on MSNBC & CNN. This helps explain Dore's repeated references to "having an MSNBC contract". In other clips (particularly during the live show where one would need a Patreon subscription to see them outside of the live show) Dore has multiply admitted that if he were offered the money MSNBC show hosts are offered to do pro-war work, he'd take that money and do the same work other MSNBC hosts do. But until that kind of offer comes along he'll spend his time exposing and debunking the people who get those offers. Sadly this Jimmy Dore clip cannot be played on UPTV because of the use of the term "shitlib" (a portmanteau of the words 'shitty liberal', I believe) among other words we can't air on UPTV even though the points made are proper material for AWARE on the Air highlighting the difference between the war news you get from establishment sources and the war news you get from non-establishment sources. -J From davidgreen50 at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 20:50:32 2021 From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:50:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Jimmy Dore, Grayzone, Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, et al aren't invited on MSNBC or CNN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But Chomsky is interviewed on Ezra Klein/NYT podcast lol On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 3:21 PM J.B. Nicholson via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > From the Jimmy Dore show last night: > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=IGx45OjCjC8 -- (16m 20s) "MSNBC Contributor > Goes Off The > Rails" about how the pro-war propagandist Jennifer Rubin is an exemplar > for why real > journalists (who challenge American wars) aren't invited on MSNBC & CNN. > This helps > explain Dore's repeated references to "having an MSNBC contract". > > In other clips (particularly during the live show where one would need a > Patreon > subscription to see them outside of the live show) Dore has multiply > admitted that if > he were offered the money MSNBC show hosts are offered to do pro-war work, > he'd take > that money and do the same work other MSNBC hosts do. But until that kind > of offer > comes along he'll spend his time exposing and debunking the people who get > those offers. > > Sadly this Jimmy Dore clip cannot be played on UPTV because of the use of > the term > "shitlib" (a portmanteau of the words 'shitty liberal', I believe) among > other words > we can't air on UPTV even though the points made are proper material for > AWARE on the > Air highlighting the difference between the war news you get from > establishment > sources and the war news you get from non-establishment sources. > > -J > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sun Apr 25 02:23:06 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 02:23:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Corporate executives prosper while most others struggle Message-ID: C.E.O. Pay Remains Stratospheric, Even at Companies Battered by Pandemic While millions of people struggled to make ends meet, many of the companies hit hardest in 2020 showered their executives with riches. By David Gelles NYT April 24, 2021 [ excerpted passim ] The coronavirus plunged the world into an economic crisis, sent the U.S. unemployment rate skyrocketing and left millions of Americans struggling to make ends meet. Yet at many of the companies hit hardest by the pandemic, the executives in charge were showered with riches. The divergent fortunes of C.E.O.s and everyday workers illustrate the sharp divides in a nation on the precipice of an economic boom but still racked by steep income inequality. The stock markets are up and the wealthy are spending freely, but millions are still facing significant hardship. Executives are minting fortunes while laid-off workers line up at food banks. ?Many of these C.E.O.s have improved profitability by laying off workers,? said Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, who has proposed new taxes on the ultrawealthy. ?A tiny handful of people who have shimmied all the way to the top of the greasy pole get all of the rewards, while everyone else gets left behind.? . . . The gap between executive compensation and average worker pay has been growing for decades. Chief executives of big companies now make, on average, 320 times as much as their typical worker, according to the Economic Policy Institute. In 1989, that ratio was 61 to 1. From 1978 to 2019, compensation grew 14 percent for typical workers. It rose 1,167 percent for C.E.O.s. . . . ?< snip >? ? David Gelles is the Corner Office columnist and a business reporter. Follow him on LinkedIn and Twitter. @dgelle A version of this article appears in print on April 25, 2021 of the New York edition with the headline: Despite Losses, C.E.O.s Prosper Amid Pandemic. # # # From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sun Apr 25 02:23:06 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 02:23:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Corporate executives prosper while most others struggle Message-ID: C.E.O. Pay Remains Stratospheric, Even at Companies Battered by Pandemic While millions of people struggled to make ends meet, many of the companies hit hardest in 2020 showered their executives with riches. By David Gelles NYT April 24, 2021 [ excerpted passim ] The coronavirus plunged the world into an economic crisis, sent the U.S. unemployment rate skyrocketing and left millions of Americans struggling to make ends meet. Yet at many of the companies hit hardest by the pandemic, the executives in charge were showered with riches. The divergent fortunes of C.E.O.s and everyday workers illustrate the sharp divides in a nation on the precipice of an economic boom but still racked by steep income inequality. The stock markets are up and the wealthy are spending freely, but millions are still facing significant hardship. Executives are minting fortunes while laid-off workers line up at food banks. ?Many of these C.E.O.s have improved profitability by laying off workers,? said Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, who has proposed new taxes on the ultrawealthy. ?A tiny handful of people who have shimmied all the way to the top of the greasy pole get all of the rewards, while everyone else gets left behind.? . . . The gap between executive compensation and average worker pay has been growing for decades. Chief executives of big companies now make, on average, 320 times as much as their typical worker, according to the Economic Policy Institute. In 1989, that ratio was 61 to 1. From 1978 to 2019, compensation grew 14 percent for typical workers. It rose 1,167 percent for C.E.O.s. . . . ?< snip >? ? David Gelles is the Corner Office columnist and a business reporter. Follow him on LinkedIn and Twitter. @dgelle A version of this article appears in print on April 25, 2021 of the New York edition with the headline: Despite Losses, C.E.O.s Prosper Amid Pandemic. # # # From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Apr 28 03:28:48 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:28:48 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your pointers to Jason Liggett (jcliggett at urbanaillinois.us). I routinely ask him to prioritize AWARE members pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. -J RT Video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ABNStB5QXzY (25m 36s) -- "Cancel Culture" Chris Hedges interviews Dan Kovalik Transcript: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/521966-dan-kovalik-cancel-culture/ https://youtube.com/watch?v=7TtdLeCBXVo (26m) -- "Forgotten Genocides: The Sin of Silence (RT special documentary)" Grayzone https://youtube.com/watch?v=pG0pZBDpAJM (1h 7m 23s) -- "Facing Syria cover-up outcry, OPCW chief lies and US, UK, France evade" Aaron Mat? on news of the latest OPCW scandal -- covering up the faked Douma gas attack cover-up https://youtube.com/watch?v=W82C4MqKN_8 (26m 04s) -- "US gov detains CODEPINK's Medea Benjamin following Ecuador election" Red Lines' Anya Parampil interviews CODEPINK's Medea Benjamin https://youtube.com/watch?v=qZkxaEC1xjY (28m 52s) -- "Max Blumenthal debunks US accusation of China's 'genocide' against Uighurs" https://youtube.com/watch?v=V2zaFUzGqww (1h 4m 4s) -- Dan Cohen interviews Gordon Gao, Director of Strategic Research at Tsinghua University on western media and the Uyghurs laborvideo https://youtube.com/watch?v=l7rsObLWJOU (18m) -- "The Lessons Of The Bessemer Alabama Amazon Unionization Vote With Journalist Mike Elk" https://youtube.com/watch?v=K8QY3JhqJ4E (49m 50s) -- "OSHA, Whistleblowing, Racism, Workers Comp & Systemic Corruption with SLO Park Ranger Reginald Fagan" theanalysis.news Video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wcvyF0GLtw4 (17m 41s) -- "'Why Should We Vote for a Party that Holds Us in Contempt?' - A Viewer Comment" Transcript: https://theanalysis.news/commentary/why-should-we-vote-for-a-party-that-holds-us-in-contempt-a-viewer-comment/ Video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y0m-PM57w4s (34m 36s) -- Trump vs Biden on Foreign Policy ? Abby Martin Transcript: https://theanalysis.news/interviews/iran-the-major-difference-abby-martin-pt2-2/ Empire Files https://youtube.com/watch?v=c0PlVIfja0o (10m 07s) -- "Empire Update w/ Abby Martin: Arctic War, Aid to Israel Challenge, Army VR Money Pit" https://youtube.com/watch?v=FlztTxaBDK0 (12m 52s) -- "US Retreats From Afghanistan: Truth Behind The Empire?s Defeat" https://youtube.com/watch?v=nRWaaRYIldQ (16m 01s) -- "Uganda Dictatorship: Imperialism's Pearl of Africa" From jbn at forestfield.org Fri Apr 30 01:58:58 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 20:58:58 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News links worth checking out -- Snowden, Greenwald, and Johnstone Message-ID: I don't know what's going on with RT's English YouTube channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg/videos but RT's Telegram channel is still going (see https://t.me/s/rtintl for "preview" mode so you can read this without running the Telegram proprietary software). YouTube's RT channel publishes nothing more recent than 5 days old (as I write this); this looks like RT is being shadowbanned on their main English YouTube channel. With that, here's a few pointers to some interesting recent RT articles from their website: https://on.rt.com/b74v -- "Keynote speaker Snowden crashes ?elite? business investment seminar, urges public NOT to give organizer money" https://on.rt.com/b769 -- "Greenwald blasts the Guardian for posting ?false claim? about his relationship with Substack platform" I think that https://twitter.com/ouranometrian/status/1387776509939699713 gets it right: Ourania, the best Eva Unit (@ouranometrian) wrote on April 29, 2021 > And they s is why substack is doing well. People are tired of paying for the lies. > Pay-per-writer is easier to filter And finally..... https://on.rt.com/b75w -- Caitlin Johnstone: Biden lied about Yemen -J