From carl at newsfromneptune.com Tue Feb 2 20:49:40 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:49:40 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Situation report - how bad it is Message-ID: <223D12A9-14B0-4F4F-BE45-48808CC52464@newsfromneptune.com> https://www.rt.com/op-ed/514300-chris-hedges-us-wealth-oligarchy/ From jbn at forestfield.org Fri Feb 5 05:23:13 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 23:23:13 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Censorship_news=3A_UK_regulator_Ofcom_?= =?utf-8?q?revokes_broadcast_license_of_China=E2=80=99s_CGTN?= Message-ID: RT videos: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VhctLsnSvN4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=DW3AyvD-lYI Article text from https://on.rt.com/b11x > According to a statement issued on Thursday, the broadcasting regulator Ofcom has > revoked China Global Television Network's license to air its programs in the UK. > > An Ofcom investigation found that the license under which CGTN was operating had > been wrongfully held by Star China Media Ltd (SCML). > > We have revoked China Global Television Network?s (CGTN) licence to broadcast in > the UK, after our investigation concluded that the licence was wrongfully held by > Star China Media Ltd. (SCML). > https://t.co/R97X1hYnkA https://pic.twitter.com/7lDKvEipZW ? Ofcom (@Ofcom) > February 4, 2021 > > In a statement, Ofcom reiterated that ?licence holders cannot be controlled by > political bodies.? > > It said SCML does not have editorial control or responsibility for CGTN?s > programming, and therefore did not meet the requirement to hold a broadcasting > license. > > Its investigation found that CGTN is controlled by Chinese Central Television, > which, as part of the China Media Group, is ?controlled by the Chinese Communist > Party and therefore disqualified from holding a broadcast licence under UK laws.? > > The regulator claims it was unable to transfer the license to CGTN directly as > ?crucial information was missing from the application,? adding that, even if said > information had been provided, the fact that the Chinese Communist Party controls > CGTN would in any case preclude it from holding a license in the UK. > > SCML was found to be the distributor but not ?the producer? of the service, and > none of CGTN?s key stakeholders and senior editorial personnel were found to be > employed by SCML, Ofcom said. > > The broadcaster will likely also face separate sanctions over its coverage. > > ?We expect to conclude separate sanctions proceedings against CGTN for due > impartiality and fairness and privacy breaches shortly,? the statement said. > > The regulator acknowledged that ?the revocation of a broadcast licence is a > significant interference with a broadcaster?s right to freedom of expression,? and > claims it afforded CGTN sufficient time to comply, but it failed to do so after > its September 2020 application was rejected. > > Ofcom concluded its statement by criticizing CGTN?s coverage of the Hong Kong > protests, which it said was in ?serious breach? of fairness and privacy rules. It > is now considering sanctions in that regard that would be separate from Thursday?s > decision to revoke the agency's broadcasting license. > > CGTN has yet to issue a statement in response to Ofcom?s decision. > > Meanwhile, the Chinese Foreign Ministry claimed it had made ?stern > representations? to the BBC over what it described as ?fake news? coverage of the > Covid-19 pandemic, and called on the British state broadcaster to apologize. > > Shortly after the Ofcom decision was announced, a ministry spokesperson said the > BBC had ?linked the pandemic to politics? and ?rehashed theories about covering up > by China.? From moboct1 at aim.com Sat Feb 6 02:46:05 2021 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 02:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Censorship_news=3A_UK_regulator_Ofcom_?= =?utf-8?q?revokes_broadcast_license_of_China=E2=80=99s_CGTN?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1808748035.2511281.1612579565433@mail.yahoo.com> What's next?!...BBC might discover that RT is the (former) RUSSIA Today!? Ye gods, SOCIALIST, or maybe worse, MARXIST!? ?Innocent minds must be protected.? Hallup!? Call for OFCOM!?? mo'b ? -----Original Message----- From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss To: Peace Discuss Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2021 9:23 pm Subject: [Peace-discuss] Censorship news: UK regulator Ofcom revokes broadcast license of China?s CGTN RT videos: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VhctLsnSvN4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=DW3AyvD-lYI Article text from https://on.rt.com/b11x > According to a statement issued on Thursday, the broadcasting regulator Ofcom has > revoked China Global Television Network's license to air its programs in the UK. > > An Ofcom investigation found that the license under which CGTN was operating had > been wrongfully held by Star China Media Ltd (SCML). > > We have revoked China Global Television Network?s (CGTN) licence to broadcast in > the UK, after our investigation concluded that the licence was wrongfully held by > Star China Media Ltd. (SCML). > https://t.co/R97X1hYnkA https://pic.twitter.com/7lDKvEipZW ? Ofcom (@Ofcom) > February 4, 2021 > > In a statement, Ofcom reiterated that ?licence holders cannot be controlled by > political bodies.? > > It said SCML does not have editorial control or responsibility for CGTN?s > programming, and therefore did not meet the requirement to hold a broadcasting > license. > > Its investigation found that CGTN is controlled by Chinese Central Television, > which, as part of the China Media Group, is ?controlled by the Chinese Communist > Party and therefore disqualified from holding a broadcast licence under UK laws.? > > The regulator claims it was unable to transfer the license to CGTN directly as > ?crucial information was missing from the application,? adding that, even if said > information had been provided, the fact that the Chinese Communist Party controls > CGTN would in any case preclude it from holding a license in the UK. > > SCML was found to be the distributor but not ?the producer? of the service, and > none of CGTN?s key stakeholders and senior editorial personnel were found to be > employed by SCML, Ofcom said. > > The broadcaster will likely also face separate sanctions over its coverage. > > ?We expect to conclude separate sanctions proceedings against CGTN for due > impartiality and fairness and privacy breaches shortly,? the statement said. > > The regulator acknowledged that ?the revocation of a broadcast licence is a > significant interference with a broadcaster?s right to freedom of expression,? and > claims it afforded CGTN sufficient time to comply, but it failed to do so after > its September 2020 application was rejected. > > Ofcom concluded its statement by criticizing CGTN?s coverage of the Hong Kong > protests, which it said was in ?serious breach? of fairness and privacy rules. It > is now considering sanctions in that regard that would be separate from Thursday?s > decision to revoke the agency's broadcasting license. > > CGTN has yet to issue a statement in response to Ofcom?s decision. > > Meanwhile, the Chinese Foreign Ministry claimed it had made ?stern > representations? to the BBC over what it described as ?fake news? coverage of the > Covid-19 pandemic, and called on the British state broadcaster to apologize. > > Shortly after the Ofcom decision was announced, a ministry spokesperson said the > BBC had ?linked the pandemic to politics? and ?rehashed theories about covering up > by China.? _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Feb 6 05:13:20 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 23:13:20 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FB censored this column by Pepe Escobar Message-ID: <4C0A4B72-F1F9-4F3B-9E25-235BC5786531@newsfromneptune.com> https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/05/burmese-days-revisited/ From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Feb 6 05:23:02 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 23:23:02 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FB censored this column by Pepe Escobar In-Reply-To: <4C0A4B72-F1F9-4F3B-9E25-235BC5786531@newsfromneptune.com> References: <4C0A4B72-F1F9-4F3B-9E25-235BC5786531@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <536F5345-5E30-40EF-9448-5F149986592D@newsfromneptune.com> ?...If you talk to a Mon or a Karen, he or she will tell you they had to learn the hard way how much of an intolerant autocrat is the real Suu Kyi. She promised there would be peace in the border regions ? eternally mired in a fight between the Tatmadaw and autonomous movements. She could not possibly deliver because she had no power whatsoever over the military. ?...It will be fascinating to watch how the (Dis)United Imperial States will deal with post-coup Myanmar as part of their 24/7 'containment of China' frenzy. The Tatmadaw [ = military] are not exactly trembling in their boots." > On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > > https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/05/burmese-days-revisited/ From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Feb 6 12:52:22 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 06:52:22 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FB censored this column by Pepe Escobar In-Reply-To: <4C0A4B72-F1F9-4F3B-9E25-235BC5786531@newsfromneptune.com> References: <4C0A4B72-F1F9-4F3B-9E25-235BC5786531@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: No surprise FB would censor Pepe in relation to Burma/Myanmar. > On Feb 5, 2021, at 23:13, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > > https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/05/burmese-days-revisited/ From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Feb 6 13:05:29 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 07:05:29 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FB censored this column by Pepe Escobar In-Reply-To: <536F5345-5E30-40EF-9448-5F149986592D@newsfromneptune.com> References: <4C0A4B72-F1F9-4F3B-9E25-235BC5786531@newsfromneptune.com> <536F5345-5E30-40EF-9448-5F149986592D@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Pepe is as always spot on. I mentioned this on AWARE, on the air a few years ago, given a former leader of the ABSDF, when in exile in Thailand, was kicked out of Parliament because ?he had a big mouth.? He was also warned to leave the country. He told me Daw Suu Kye was continuing to work with the military gov., being more diplomatic. He also mentioned the Head of the Railroads, telling him a foreign nation was intervening in issues, no doubt related to the BRI. There is little doubt US concerns in relation to Burma/Myanmar is containment of China, using abuse of Muslims as their excuse, and training and supplying weapons to those exiled in Saudi. The hypocrisy of the US showing concern for the lives of Muslims after we have massacred millions in the Middle East. > On Feb 5, 2021, at 23:23, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > > > ?...If you talk to a Mon or a Karen, he or she will tell you they had to learn the hard way how much of an intolerant autocrat is the real Suu Kyi. She promised there would be peace in the border regions ? eternally mired in a fight between the Tatmadaw and autonomous movements. She could not possibly deliver because she had no power whatsoever over the military. > > ?...It will be fascinating to watch how the (Dis)United Imperial States will deal with post-coup Myanmar as part of their 24/7 'containment of China' frenzy. The Tatmadaw [ = military] are not exactly trembling in their boots." > >> On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/05/burmese-days-revisited/ > From brussel at illinois.edu Wed Feb 10 00:21:16 2021 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:21:16 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] An analysis of "our" present, and future(?) condition. Message-ID: Worth considering to its conclusion, important, even if somewhat polemical. 1hr, 20min. He explains powerfully clearly what he wishes to convey. A history lesson as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EC1KMfUECw ?mkb From brussel at illinois.edu Sat Feb 13 17:07:14 2021 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:07:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Guardian, sleasy publication Message-ID: <3D637D9D-0CF4-4E53-B33A-36725C28B3D8@illinois.edu> Good analysis by Jonathan Cook, former journalist there: https://consortiumnews.com/2021/02/12/the-guardian-revealed-itself-in-sacking-columnist-for-criticizing-us-military-aid-to-israel/ ?if you didn?t already know? From brussel at illinois.edu Sat Feb 13 17:07:14 2021 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:07:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Guardian, sleasy publication Message-ID: <3D637D9D-0CF4-4E53-B33A-36725C28B3D8@illinois.edu> Good analysis by Jonathan Cook, former journalist there: https://consortiumnews.com/2021/02/12/the-guardian-revealed-itself-in-sacking-columnist-for-criticizing-us-military-aid-to-israel/ ?if you didn?t already know? From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Feb 18 03:55:47 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 21:55:47 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Headlines, stories too short or in the wrong medium for running as-is on TV Message-ID: <3e1ef0af-0b01-5d36-e62c-c57f62614f20@forestfield.org> A few items I found interesting: https://youtube.com/watch?v=USZmJXoAje4 -- "The cancel culture effect | Half of NYT staff afraid to speak their mind - poll" And a couple articles illustrating how sanctions are war: https://on.rt.com/b20w -- "US sanctions on Venezuela have failed to achieve anything but needless death and misery. Against all reason, they are set to stay" an op ed by Daniel Kovalik author of "The Plot to Scapegoat Russia: How the CIA and the Deep State Have Conspired to Vilify Putin", "The Plot to Attack Iran : How the CIA and the Deep State Have Conspired to Vilify Iran", and "No More War: How the West Violates International Law by Using ?Humanitarian? Intervention to Advance Economic and Strategic Interests". Kovalik's op ed starts: > In its regime-change effort in Venezuela, the US has imposed devastating sanctions > that have caused tens of thousands of deaths among the most vulnerable ? without > ever coming close to toppling the president. > > Alena Douhan, the UN Special Rapporteur on unilateral coercive measures and human > rights ? a new position created by the UN Human Rights Council in March of 2020 ? > issued a stinging preliminary report last week condemning US and EU sanctions > against Venezuela. Ms. Douhan has urged the US, EU and other nations to drop all > sanctions against Venezuela after her two-week fact-finding mission to the > country. > > As the report explains, sanctions were first ?imposed against Venezuela in 2005 > and have been severely strengthened since 2015 . . . with the most severe ones > being imposed by the United States.? According to Ms. Douhan?s report, these > ?sanctions have exacerbated pre-existing economic situations and have dramatically > affected the whole population of Venezuela, especially but not only those in > extreme poverty, women, children, medical workers, people with disabilities or > life-threatening or chronic diseases, and the indigenous populations.? In short, > the sanctions are hurting the most vulnerable of Venezuelan society. > > The report continues: ?Lack of necessary machinery, spare parts, electricity, > water, fuel, gas, food and medicine, growing insufficiency of qualified workers > many of whom have left the country for better economic opportunities, in > particular medical personnel, engineers, teachers, professors, judges and > policemen, has enormous impact over all categories of human rights, including the > rights to life, to food, to health and to development.? https://on.rt.com/b1js -- "US sells over a million barrels of seized Iranian fuel headed for Venezuela" starts: > The United States has sold more than a million barrels of Iranian fuel seized > under its sanctions program last year, Reuters reported on Thursday, citing the US > Department of Justice. > > The seizures were part of Washington?s economic sanctions on Tehran over its > nuclear program, and the US? designation of a number of Iranian groups as > terrorists. The US government under President Donald Trump used civil forfeiture > procedures to seize some 1.2 million barrels of gasoline it said were being sent > from Iran to Venezuela aboard four tankers. > > According to Department of Justice spokesman Marc Raimondi, the sale of the > cargoes had been completed, with the government ?still working out the final > expenses.? He told Reuters, ?The petroleum has been seized, and an interlocutory > sale has preserved the cash value of the petroleum, which is now held by the US > Marshals Service.? From jbn at forestfield.org Fri Feb 19 04:35:45 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 22:35:45 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] UK-funded disinformation campaigns aimed against Russia Message-ID: <466e7971-00dd-e22b-7e9f-564cf565c67e@forestfield.org> https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/02/new-documents-reveal-more-british-efforts-to-undermine-russia.html -- "New Documents Reveal More British Efforts To Undermine Russia" https://on.rt.com/b24h -- "Leaked papers allege massive UK govt effort to co-opt Russian-language anti-Kremlin media & influencers to ?weaken Russian state?" Both reports cover one point which brought up something for me: > A 'Supplier Event' for one of the projects laid out the general idea: > > Programme Strands > > ENGAGE ? working through the British Council to implement people-to-people > activities between ethnic Russians and local communities to develop links along > the lines of 21st century skills ? includes English language skills and media > literacy, social enterprises and cultural activities; > ENHANCE ? supporting independent media in Russia?s near abroad to bring balance > and plurality to Russian language media, in the Baltic States and Eastern > Partnership countries; > EXPOSE ? by debunking and exposing Russian disinformation in real time, which can > be reported in mainstream media with the goal to expose malign state > disinformation in countries that are targeted by it. If you expose disinformation, > it is less likely to be impactful; therefore, the Russian State becomes less > credible. > ENABLE ? working with allied governments through the Government Communication > Service to improve their strategic communications to their populations. I'm reminded of Microsoft's "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish" approach to dealing with competition, in particular GNU/Linux operating systems. Thanks to a compliant establishment computer press, today this plan continues with relatively little critical examination or education for the IT crowd that think those days are in the past. From brussel at illinois.edu Sat Feb 20 03:05:32 2021 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 03:05:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Nuclear power Message-ID: <5280360F-A451-4F98-952C-749917E1667F@illinois.edu> A fair view of the conflicts around nuclear energy, from The New Yorker. From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Feb 20 06:27:38 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 00:27:38 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] UK-funded disinformation campaigns aimed against Russia In-Reply-To: <466e7971-00dd-e22b-7e9f-564cf565c67e@forestfield.org> References: <466e7971-00dd-e22b-7e9f-564cf565c67e@forestfield.org> Message-ID: I wrote: > https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/02/new-documents-reveal-more-british-efforts-to-undermine-russia.html > -- "New Documents Reveal More British Efforts To Undermine Russia" > > https://on.rt.com/b24h -- "Leaked papers allege massive UK govt effort to co-opt > Russian-language anti-Kremlin media & influencers to ?weaken Russian state?" https://youtube.com/watch?v=87FhRx7z_Ks covers this as well including the quote from the leaked materials: > Another barrier to combating disinformation is the fact that certain > Kremlin-backed narratives are factually true. For example, the Serbian > organisation European Western Balkans noted that one of the country's most > prominent pro-Kremlin narratives relates to Russia's ongoing support for Belgrade > in the Kosovo dispute which is true. Responding to inconvenient truths, as opposed > to pure propaganda, is naturally more problematic. From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Feb 21 18:31:51 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:31:51 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The US, Russia, and Europe Message-ID: <75887FB3-F990-4E54-97CC-E862B18A7A7F@newsfromneptune.com> https://www.unz.com/pescobar/russia-holds-the-key-to-german-sovereignty/ From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Feb 21 19:25:24 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 13:25:24 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 References: Message-ID: <94A8CBC2-7511-46E9-802F-99776413FB15@newsfromneptune.com> > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Louis Proyect" > Subject: [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 > Date: February 21, 2021 at 8:14:05 AM CST > To: marxmail at groups.io > Reply-To: marxmail at groups.io > > Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 > She became a champion of survivors of torture and helped compel the release of documents showing U.S. complicity in decades of human rights abuses in Guatemala. > > > > > > > > > Sister Dianna Ortiz in 1996. After being raped and tortured in Guatemala, she helped focus attention on the 200,000 people who were killed or disappeared during that country?s 36-year civil war.Credit...Stephen Crowley/The New York Times > > By Katharine Q. Seelye > NYT, Feb. 20, 2021 > Dianna Ortiz, an American Roman Catholic nun whose rape and torture in Guatemala in 1989 helped lead to the release of documents showing American involvement in human rights abuses in that country, died on Friday in hospice care in Washington. She was 62. > The cause was cancer, said Marie Dennis, a longtime friend. > While serving as a missionary and teaching Indigenous children in the western highlands of Guatemala, Sister Ortiz was abducted, gang-raped and tortured by a Guatemalan security force. Her story became even more explosive when she said that someone she believed to be an American had acted in concert with her abductors. > Only after years of extensive therapy at the Marjorie Kovler Center in Chicago for survivors of torture did Sister Ortiz start to recover, at which point she began to hunt down information about her case. She went on to become a global champion for people subjected to torture, and her case would help compel the release of classified documents showing decades of U.S. complicity in human rights abuses in Guatemala during its 36-year civil war, in which 200,000 civilians were killed. > It was never clear why she and many other Americans were targeted. She was told at one point that hers was a case of mistaken identity, an assertion she didn?t believe. Her attack came during a particularly lawless period; ravaged by war, Guatemala was being run by a series of right-wing military dictatorships, some of them violent toward Indigenous people and suspicious of anyone helping them. > ADVERTISEMENT > Continue reading the main story > Sister Ortiz?s 24-hour ordeal, initially labeled a hoax by American and Guatemalan officials, included multiple gang rapes. Her back was pockmarked with more than 100 cigarette burns. At one point she was suspended by her wrists over an open pit packed with the bodies of men, women and children, some of them decapitated, some of them still alive. At another point she was forced to stab to death a woman who was also being held captive. Her abductors took pictures and videotaped the act to use against her. > Refer someone to The Times. > They?ll enjoy our special rate of $1 a week. > The torture stopped, she said, only after a man who appeared to be an American ? and appeared to be in charge ? saw what was happening and ordered her release, saying her abduction had become news in the outside world. He took her to his car and said he would give her safe haven at the American Embassy. He also advised her to forgive her torturers. Fearing he was going to kill her, she jumped out. > The trauma left her confused and distraught. She had become pregnant during the assaults and had an abortion. As often happens with people subjected to torture, much of her memory of her life before the abduction was wiped out. When she returned to her family in New Mexico and to her religious order of nuns in Kentucky, she didn?t know them. > ?To this day I can smell the decomposing of bodies, disposed of in an open pit,? she said in an interview in the late 1990s with Kerry Kennedy, president of Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights, an advocacy organization. ?I can hear the piercing screams of other people being tortured. I can see the blood gushing out of the woman?s body.? > Editors? Picks > > > Was ?60 Minutes? TV?s Most Toxic Workplace? > > > > The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired. > > > > Black Grief, White Grievance: Artists Search for Racial Justice > > > Continue reading the main story > > Image > At a news conference in 1996, Sister Ortiz displayed composite drawings of her Guatemalan attackers.Credit...Ron Edmonds/Associated Press > When she suggested that her abductors were supervised by an American, she was smeared. ?The Guatemalan president claimed that the abduction had never occurred, simultaneously claiming that it had been carried out by nongovernmental elements and therefore was not a human rights abuse,? she said in the interview with Ms. Kennedy. > ADVERTISEMENT > Continue reading the main story > Sister Ortiz filed Freedom of Information Act requests. She pressed her case in American and Guatemalan courts. In 1995, a federal judge in Boston ordered a former Guatemala general to pay $47.5 million to her and eight Guatemalans, saying they had been victims of his ?indiscriminate campaign of terror? against thousands of civilians. (She never received the money.) > She recounted her story to the news media and participated in protests to urge the American government to release its files on her. In 1996, she began a five-week vigil and hunger strike across from the White House seeking the declassification of all U.S. government documents related to human rights abuses in Guatemala since 1954. > In a little-noted moment, Hillary Clinton, at the time the first lady, met with Sister Ortiz during her hunger strike. Ms. Kennedy said in a phone interview that Mrs. Clinton?s prodding had helped lead to the release of government papers regarding Sister Ortiz. > The files were heavily redacted and did not reveal the identity of the American or by what authority he had access to the scene of her torture. But Sister Ortiz?s case became part of a sweeping review of American foreign policy and covert action in Guatemala during the Reagan, Bush and Clinton administrations. > Over time, declassified documents showed that Guatemalan forces that committed acts of genocide during the civil war had been equipped and trained by the United States. > ?Dianna shined a huge spotlight on the fact that the United States government, through the C.I.A. and military intelligence, was working hand in glove with the Guatemala military intelligence units,? Jennifer Harbury, a close friend, said in an interview. Her husband, a Guatemalan commando, had been killed during the civil war. > ADVERTISEMENT > Continue reading the main story > In 1999, President Bill Clinton apologized for the American involvement . > Sister Ortiz?s book, ?The Blindfold?s Eyes: My Journey from Torture to Truth? (2002, with Patricia Davis), recounted the psychological toll that both the abduction and her quest for the truth had taken on her. > And at some point, her friends said, she realized that she had to stop, for her own sanity. > ?It was so exhausting for her; she had to pull back, or it was going to do her in,? Meredith Larson, a friend and fellow human rights activist who was also attacked in Guatemala, said in an interview. > Sister Ortiz stopped agitating for information in her own case, Ms. Larson said, but she became a champion of torture survivors, remaining active in torture-related causes. > ?She has moved our collective consciousness on how destructive torture is and how important it is to support the well-being of survivors,? Ms. Larson said. > Dianna Mae Ortiz was born on Sept. 2, 1958, in Colorado Springs, Colo., and grew up in Grants, N.M., one of eight children. Her mother, Ambroshia, was a homemaker; her father, Pilar Ortiz, was a uranium miner. > She is survived by her mother; her brothers, Ronald, Pilar Jr., John and Josh Ortiz; and her sisters, Barbara Murrietta and Michelle Salazar. Another brother, Melvin, died in 1974. > Dianna yearned for a religious life from an early age and in 1977 entered the Ursuline novitiate at Mount St. Joseph, in Maple Mount, Ky. She then became a sister of the Ursuline Order. While undergoing her religious training, she attended nearby Brescia University, graduating in 1983 with a degree in elementary and early childhood education. She taught kindergarten before going to Guatemala in 1987. > ADVERTISEMENT > Continue reading the main story > In 1994 she moved to Washington to work for the Guatemala Human Rights Commission. There she met others who had lost loved ones to torture or who had been tortured themselves, and they started a group called Coalition Missing to draw attention to those who were killed or disappeared in Guatemala. > She later helped found the Torture Abolition and Survivors Support Coalition, which became a global movement. > ?What we saw was a woman of incredible courage and integrity who literally came back from the dead,? her friend Ms. Dennis said in an interview. ?It was a struggle for her for years and years not to be pulled back into that awful place. But she claimed life and was able to do phenomenal work.? > Katharine Q. ?Kit? Seelye is a Times obituary writer. She was previously the paper's New England bureau chief, based in Boston. She worked in The Times's Washington bureau for 12 years, has covered six presidential campaigns and pioneered The Times?s online coverage of politics. @kseelye > _._,_._,_ > Groups.io Links: > You receive all messages sent to this group. > > View/Reply Online (#6577) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [carl at newsfromneptune.com] > _._,_._,_ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Clearly no one knows what they would do under such circumstances. If its true, it must be understood she was a victim, but??..again if true the guilt must have been horrific. Also, legally how has this been dealt with in other such cases? Again, I?m not attempting to discredit her, but given I posted the article by Jeffrey at the time not realizing it came from the WP, I?m now planning to delete it. Dianna Ortiz, work with victims, calling attention to some of the horrors the US is responsible for inflicting on other nations is quite valuable and the SOA where we train foreign militaries in torture tactics must be closed down, if not already. > On Feb 21, 2021, at 13:25, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > > > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "Louis Proyect" > >> Subject: [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 >> Date: February 21, 2021 at 8:14:05 AM CST >> To: marxmail at groups.io >> Reply-To: marxmail at groups.io >> >> Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 >> She became a champion of survivors of torture and helped compel the release of documents showing U.S. complicity in decades of human rights abuses in Guatemala. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sister Dianna Ortiz in 1996. After being raped and tortured in Guatemala, she helped focus attention on the 200,000 people who were killed or disappeared during that country?s 36-year civil war.Credit...Stephen Crowley/The New York Times >> >> By Katharine Q. Seelye >> NYT, Feb. 20, 2021 >> Dianna Ortiz, an American Roman Catholic nun whose rape and torture in Guatemala in 1989 helped lead to the release of documents showing American involvement in human rights abuses in that country, died on Friday in hospice care in Washington. She was 62. >> The cause was cancer, said Marie Dennis, a longtime friend. >> While serving as a missionary and teaching Indigenous children in the western highlands of Guatemala, Sister Ortiz was abducted, gang-raped and tortured by a Guatemalan security force. Her story became even more explosive when she said that someone she believed to be an American had acted in concert with her abductors. >> Only after years of extensive therapy at the Marjorie Kovler Center in Chicago for survivors of torture did Sister Ortiz start to recover, at which point she began to hunt down information about her case. She went on to become a global champion for people subjected to torture, and her case would help compel the release of classified documents showing decades of U.S. complicity in human rights abuses in Guatemala during its 36-year civil war, in which 200,000 civilians were killed. >> It was never clear why she and many other Americans were targeted. She was told at one point that hers was a case of mistaken identity, an assertion she didn?t believe. Her attack came during a particularly lawless period; ravaged by war, Guatemala was being run by a series of right-wing military dictatorships, some of them violent toward Indigenous people and suspicious of anyone helping them. >> ADVERTISEMENT >> Continue reading the main story >> Sister Ortiz?s 24-hour ordeal, initially labeled a hoax by American and Guatemalan officials, included multiple gang rapes. Her back was pockmarked with more than 100 cigarette burns. At one point she was suspended by her wrists over an open pit packed with the bodies of men, women and children, some of them decapitated, some of them still alive. At another point she was forced to stab to death a woman who was also being held captive. Her abductors took pictures and videotaped the act to use against her. >> Refer someone to The Times. >> They?ll enjoy our special rate of $1 a week. >> The torture stopped, she said, only after a man who appeared to be an American ? and appeared to be in charge ? saw what was happening and ordered her release, saying her abduction had become news in the outside world. He took her to his car and said he would give her safe haven at the American Embassy. He also advised her to forgive her torturers. Fearing he was going to kill her, she jumped out. >> The trauma left her confused and distraught. She had become pregnant during the assaults and had an abortion. As often happens with people subjected to torture, much of her memory of her life before the abduction was wiped out. When she returned to her family in New Mexico and to her religious order of nuns in Kentucky, she didn?t know them. >> ?To this day I can smell the decomposing of bodies, disposed of in an open pit,? she said in an interview in the late 1990s with Kerry Kennedy, president of Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights, an advocacy organization. ?I can hear the piercing screams of other people being tortured. I can see the blood gushing out of the woman?s body.? >> Editors? Picks >> >> >> Was ?60 Minutes? TV?s Most Toxic Workplace? >> >> >> >> The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired. >> >> >> >> Black Grief, White Grievance: Artists Search for Racial Justice >> >> Continue reading the main story >> >> Image >> At a news conference in 1996, Sister Ortiz displayed composite drawings of her Guatemalan attackers.Credit...Ron Edmonds/Associated Press >> When she suggested that her abductors were supervised by an American, she was smeared. ?The Guatemalan president claimed that the abduction had never occurred, simultaneously claiming that it had been carried out by nongovernmental elements and therefore was not a human rights abuse,? she said in the interview with Ms. Kennedy. >> ADVERTISEMENT >> Continue reading the main story >> Sister Ortiz filed Freedom of Information Act requests. She pressed her case in American and Guatemalan courts. In 1995, a federal judge in Boston ordered a former Guatemala general to pay $47.5 million to her and eight Guatemalans, saying they had been victims of his ?indiscriminate campaign of terror? against thousands of civilians. (She never received the money.) >> She recounted her story to the news media and participated in protests to urge the American government to release its files on her. In 1996, she began a five-week vigil and hunger strike across from the White House seeking the declassification of all U.S. government documents related to human rights abuses in Guatemala since 1954. >> In a little-noted moment, Hillary Clinton, at the time the first lady, met with Sister Ortiz during her hunger strike. Ms. Kennedy said in a phone interview that Mrs. Clinton?s prodding had helped lead to the release of government papers regarding Sister Ortiz. >> The files were heavily redacted and did not reveal the identity of the American or by what authority he had access to the scene of her torture. But Sister Ortiz?s case became part of a sweeping review of American foreign policy and covert action in Guatemala during the Reagan, Bush and Clinton administrations. >> Over time, declassified documents showed that Guatemalan forces that committed acts of genocide during the civil war had been equipped and trained by the United States. >> ?Dianna shined a huge spotlight on the fact that the United States government, through the C.I.A. and military intelligence, was working hand in glove with the Guatemala military intelligence units,? Jennifer Harbury, a close friend, said in an interview. Her husband, a Guatemalan commando, had been killed during the civil war. >> ADVERTISEMENT >> Continue reading the main story >> In 1999, President Bill Clinton apologized for the American involvement . >> Sister Ortiz?s book, ?The Blindfold?s Eyes: My Journey from Torture to Truth? (2002, with Patricia Davis), recounted the psychological toll that both the abduction and her quest for the truth had taken on her. >> And at some point, her friends said, she realized that she had to stop, for her own sanity. >> ?It was so exhausting for her; she had to pull back, or it was going to do her in,? Meredith Larson, a friend and fellow human rights activist who was also attacked in Guatemala, said in an interview. >> Sister Ortiz stopped agitating for information in her own case, Ms. Larson said, but she became a champion of torture survivors, remaining active in torture-related causes. >> ?She has moved our collective consciousness on how destructive torture is and how important it is to support the well-being of survivors,? Ms. Larson said. >> Dianna Mae Ortiz was born on Sept. 2, 1958, in Colorado Springs, Colo., and grew up in Grants, N.M., one of eight children. Her mother, Ambroshia, was a homemaker; her father, Pilar Ortiz, was a uranium miner. >> She is survived by her mother; her brothers, Ronald, Pilar Jr., John and Josh Ortiz; and her sisters, Barbara Murrietta and Michelle Salazar. Another brother, Melvin, died in 1974. >> Dianna yearned for a religious life from an early age and in 1977 entered the Ursuline novitiate at Mount St. Joseph, in Maple Mount, Ky. She then became a sister of the Ursuline Order. While undergoing her religious training, she attended nearby Brescia University, graduating in 1983 with a degree in elementary and early childhood education. She taught kindergarten before going to Guatemala in 1987. >> ADVERTISEMENT >> Continue reading the main story >> In 1994 she moved to Washington to work for the Guatemala Human Rights Commission. There she met others who had lost loved ones to torture or who had been tortured themselves, and they started a group called Coalition Missing to draw attention to those who were killed or disappeared in Guatemala. >> She later helped found the Torture Abolition and Survivors Support Coalition, which became a global movement. >> ?What we saw was a woman of incredible courage and integrity who literally came back from the dead,? her friend Ms. Dennis said in an interview. ?It was a struggle for her for years and years not to be pulled back into that awful place. But she claimed life and was able to do phenomenal work.? >> Katharine Q. ?Kit? Seelye is a Times obituary writer. She was previously the paper's New England bureau chief, based in Boston. 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Estabrook) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:01:36 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] the-post-american-world Message-ID: <667CA20B-BBAB-4661-920B-3E78464884B7@newsfromneptune.com> http://thesaker.is/the-post-american-world-crooke-escobar-blumenthal-and-marandi-lay-it-all-out/ From moboct1 at aim.com Mon Feb 22 20:51:27 2021 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fwd: [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 In-Reply-To: References: <94A8CBC2-7511-46E9-802F-99776413FB15@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <1130705497.1011656.1614027087251@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Karen:?? I don't think Proyect's story is true, but I know another story not widely circulated that she admitted to some years after she returned to Kentucky for which she was released by her religious order.? She was gang-raped by her Guatemala captors and some time afterward found herself to be pregnant.? After much soul searching? and grief she elected to have an abortion.? After her return from captivity when she admitted it to her religious superiors she was dismissed from the Order and must have lived a lonely unhappy life without the comfort or support of her religious sisters, a stress which may have contributed to her early demise. Midge -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: Peace Discuss ; Peace Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2021 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fwd: [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 Carl It doesn?t appear in this article by Louis Proyect, but it did in the article posted by Jeffrey St. Clair from the Washington Post. Coming from the WP does leave it open to question, given their lack of credibility, and I?m unable to access it again.? I recall a paragraph referring to Dianna Ortiz, saying ?she was forced to dismember another captive with a machete, and they filmed the killing in order to blackmail her,? that stuck in my memory upon reading it, the very horror of it.I found it quite disturbing, and wonder if its true.? Clearly no one knows what they would do under such circumstances. If its true, it must be understood she was a victim, but??..again if true the guilt must have been horrific. Also, legally how has this been dealt with in other such cases? Again, I?m not attempting to discredit her, but given I posted the article by Jeffrey at the time not realizing it came from the WP, I?m now planning to delete it. Dianna Ortiz, work with victims, calling attention to some of the horrors the US is responsible for inflicting on other nations is quite valuable and the SOA where we train foreign militaries in torture tactics must be closed down, if not already. On Feb 21, 2021, at 13:25, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: "Louis Proyect" Subject: [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 Date: February 21, 2021 at 8:14:05 AM CST To: marxmail at groups.io Reply-To: marxmail at groups.io Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 She became a champion of survivors of torture and helped compel the release of documents showing U.S. complicity in decades of human rights abuses in Guatemala. - - - - - - Sister Dianna Ortiz in 1996. After being raped and tortured in Guatemala, she helped focus attention on the 200,000 people who were killed or disappeared during that country?s 36-year civil war.Credit...Stephen Crowley/The New York Times By?Katharine Q. Seelye - NYT, Feb. 20, 2021 Dianna Ortiz, an American Roman Catholic nun whose rape and torture in Guatemala in 1989 helped lead to the release of documents showing American involvement in human rights abuses in that country, died on Friday in hospice care in Washington. She was 62.The cause was cancer, said Marie Dennis, a longtime friend.While serving as a missionary and teaching Indigenous children in the western highlands of Guatemala, Sister Ortiz was abducted, gang-raped and tortured by a Guatemalan security force. Her story became even more explosive when she said that someone she believed to be an American had acted in concert with her abductors.Only after years of extensive therapy at the?Marjorie Kovler Center?in Chicago for survivors of torture did Sister Ortiz start to recover, at which point she began to hunt down information about her case. She went on to become a global champion for people subjected to torture, and her case would help compel the release of classified documents showing decades of U.S. complicity in human rights abuses in Guatemala during its 36-year civil war, in which 200,000 civilians were killed.It was never clear why she and many other Americans were targeted. She was told at one point that hers was a case of mistaken identity, an assertion she didn?t believe. Her attack came during a particularly lawless period; ravaged by war, Guatemala was being run by a series of right-wing military dictatorships, some of them violent toward Indigenous people and suspicious of anyone helping them. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story Sister Ortiz?s 24-hour ordeal, initially labeled a hoax by American and Guatemalan officials, included multiple gang rapes. Her back was pockmarked with more than 100 cigarette burns. At one point she was suspended by her wrists over an open pit packed with the bodies of men, women and children, some of them decapitated, some of them still alive. At another point she was forced to stab to death a woman who was also being held captive. Her abductors took pictures and videotaped the act to use against her. - Refer someone to The Times. They?ll enjoy our special rate of $1 a week. The torture stopped, she said, only after a man who appeared to be an American ? and appeared to be in charge ? saw what was happening and ordered her release, saying her abduction had become news in the outside world. He took her to his car and said he would give her safe haven at the American Embassy. He also advised her to forgive her torturers. Fearing he was going to kill her, she jumped out.The trauma left her confused and distraught. She had become pregnant during the assaults and had an abortion. As often happens with people subjected to torture, much of her memory of her life before the abduction was wiped out. When she returned to her family in New Mexico and to her religious order of nuns in Kentucky, she didn?t know them.?To this day I can smell the decomposing of bodies, disposed of in an open pit,? she said in an interview in the late 1990s with Kerry Kennedy, president of Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights, an advocacy organization. ?I can hear the piercing screams of other people being tortured. I can see the blood gushing out of the woman?s body.? Editors? Picks Was ?60 Minutes? TV?s Most Toxic Workplace? The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired. Black Grief, White Grievance: Artists Search for Racial Justice Continue reading the main story Image At a news conference in 1996, Sister Ortiz displayed composite drawings of her Guatemalan attackers.Credit...Ron Edmonds/Associated Press When she suggested that her abductors were supervised by an American, she was smeared. ?The Guatemalan president claimed that the abduction had never occurred, simultaneously claiming that it had been carried out by nongovernmental elements and therefore was not a human rights abuse,? she said in the interview with Ms. Kennedy. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story Sister Ortiz filed Freedom of Information Act requests. She pressed her case in American and Guatemalan courts. In 1995, a federal judge in Boston?ordered a former Guatemala general to pay $47.5 million?to her and eight Guatemalans, saying they had been victims of his ?indiscriminate campaign of terror? against thousands of civilians. (She never received the money.)She recounted her story to the news media and participated in protests to urge the American government to release its files on her. In 1996, she began a five-week vigil and hunger strike across from the White House seeking the declassification of all U.S. government documents related to human rights abuses in Guatemala since 1954.In a little-noted moment,?Hillary Clinton, at the time the first lady, met with Sister Ortiz?during her hunger strike. Ms. Kennedy said in a phone interview that Mrs. Clinton?s prodding had helped lead to the release of government papers regarding Sister Ortiz.The files were heavily redacted and did not reveal the identity of the American or by what authority he had access to the scene of her torture. But Sister Ortiz?s case became part of a sweeping review of American foreign policy and covert action in Guatemala during the Reagan, Bush and Clinton administrations.Over time, declassified documents showed that?Guatemalan forces that committed acts of genocide?during the civil war had been equipped and trained by the United States.?Dianna shined a huge spotlight on the fact that the United States government, through the C.I.A. and military intelligence, was working hand in glove with the Guatemala military intelligence units,? Jennifer Harbury, a close friend, said in an interview. Her husband, a Guatemalan commando, had been killed during the civil war. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story In 1999,?President Bill Clinton apologized for the American involvement.Sister Ortiz?s book, ?The Blindfold?s Eyes: My Journey from Torture to Truth? (2002, with Patricia Davis), recounted the psychological toll that both the abduction and her quest for the truth had taken on her.And at some point, her friends said, she realized that she had to stop, for her own sanity.?It was so exhausting for her; she had to pull back, or it was going to do her in,? Meredith Larson, a friend and fellow human rights activist who was also attacked in Guatemala, said in an interview.Sister Ortiz stopped agitating for information in her own case, Ms. Larson said, but she became a champion of torture survivors, remaining active in torture-related causes.?She has moved our collective consciousness on how destructive torture is and how important it is to support the well-being of survivors,? Ms. Larson said.Dianna Mae Ortiz was born on Sept. 2, 1958, in Colorado Springs, Colo., and grew up in Grants, N.M., one of eight children. Her mother, Ambroshia, was a homemaker; her father, Pilar Ortiz, was a uranium miner.She is survived by her mother; her brothers, Ronald, Pilar Jr., John and Josh Ortiz; and her sisters, Barbara Murrietta and Michelle Salazar. Another brother, Melvin, died in 1974.Dianna yearned for a religious life from an early age and in 1977 entered the Ursuline novitiate at Mount St. Joseph, in Maple Mount, Ky. She then became a sister of the Ursuline Order. While undergoing her religious training, she attended nearby Brescia University, graduating in 1983 with a degree in elementary and early childhood education. She taught kindergarten before going to Guatemala in 1987. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story In 1994 she moved to Washington to work for the Guatemala Human Rights Commission. There she met others who had lost loved ones to torture or who had been tortured themselves, and they started a group called Coalition Missing to draw attention to those who were killed or disappeared in Guatemala.She later helped found the?Torture Abolition and Survivors Support Coalition,?which became a global movement.?What we saw was a woman of incredible courage and integrity who literally came back from the dead,? her friend Ms. Dennis said in an interview. ?It was a struggle for her for years and years not to be pulled back into that awful place. But she claimed life and was able to do phenomenal work.? Katharine Q. ?Kit? Seelye is a Times obituary writer. She was previously the paper's New England bureau chief, based in Boston. She worked in The Times's Washington bureau for 12 years, has covered six presidential campaigns and pioneered The Times?s online coverage of politics.?@kseelye _._,_._,_ Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Feb 23 01:07:09 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:07:09 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sr. Dianna Ortiz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Midge, Please see this article from Common Dreams, it?s mentioned here as well. Again, not to diminish her good works, and what is most important is the revelations, known to some, but not all, is the horrific crimes the USG is responsible for committing, and the SOA?s, but these are the postings/articles making the rounds. "Ortiz was then moved to another room with another woman prisoner. Some men returned with a video camera and a machete, which Ortiz thought would be used to torture her. Instead, she says she was forced to kill the other woman.? ?What I remember is blood gushing, spurting like a water fountain... and my cries lost in the cries of the woman," she recalled. Her captors then threatened to release video of her attacking the woman if she refused to cooperate. Then: > I was lowered into a pit full of bodies?bodies of children, men, and women, some decapitated, all caked with blood. A few were still alive. I could hear them moaning... A stench of decay rose from the pits. Rats swarmed over the bodies... I passed out and when I came to I was lying on the ground beside the pit, rats all over me.? > > > > SUBSCRIBE > DONATE > > Search > > > > > > > > Support Independent Journalism. The only thing that keeps us going is support from readers like you. Every contribution makes a huge difference. PLEASE GIVE NOW ?Please Help > <>Published on > Sunday, February 21, 2021 > byCommon Dreams > Sister Dianna Ortiz?US Nun Who Survived Guatemala Torture and Became Human Rights Champion?Dies at 62 > "Dianna walked through the very worst of hell and came out with love... Her legacy is a witness to nonviolence and to love in the face of evil and to redemption. That's her legacy, to teach us that that's possible." > byBrett Wilkins, staff writer > <> > <> > <> > <> > <>?7?Comments > > Sister Dianna Ortiz survived horrific torture at the hands of U.S.-backed Guatemalan forces and became a prolific anti-torture and human rights activist. (Photo: AP/YouTube? screen grab) > Sister Dianna Ortiz, a Catholic nun from New Mexico whose 1989 abduction, rape, and torture by U.S.-backed Guatemalan forces led to her becoming an outspoken peace, human rights, and anti-torture activist, died Friday in Washington, D.C. at the age of 62 after battling cancer. > > "I know what it is to wait in the dark for torture, and what it is to wait in the dark for the truth. I am still waiting." > ?Sister Dianna Ortiz > Ortiz?who wanted to be a nun since she was a little girl?joined the Ursuline Sisters of Mount Saint Joseph, part of a 400-year-old Roman Catholic order dedicated to the education of girls and the care of the sick and needy, when she was still a teenager. She taught kindergarten for a decade before moving to Guatemala in 1987 at the age of 28. > > Years later Ortiz explained that she wanted "to teach young indigenous children to read and write... and to understand the Bible in their culture." > > It was dangerous work at a dangerous time. Guatemala was ravaged by decades of civil war that followed a 1954 CIA coup deposing Jacobo Arbenz, the democratically-elected progressive president. U.S.-backed right-wing military dictatorships, some of which perpetrated genocidal violence against the country's Mayan population, followed. > > The 36-year civil war left over 200,000 Guatemalans dead, more than 600 villages destroyed, and countless people?mostly Mayan campesinos?displaced. > > > "Every family in San Miguel had people who had been tortured, disappeared, or killed," Mary Elizabeth Ballard, an Ursuline sister who had arrived in Guatemala a year before Ortiz, told the literary magazine Agni in a 1998 interview. "No family was untouched." > > By early 1989 Ortiz was receiving threatening letters imploring her to leave Guatemala. She eventually did depart, traveling to the Urusline motherhouse in Kentucky. But only for a short while. > > "She had a great love for the Guatemalans," explained Luisa Bickett, another Ursuline sister who worked in San Miguel. > > "I heard a man's deep voice behind me: 'Hello, my love,' he said in Spanish. 'We have some things to discuss.'" > ?Ortiz > Ortiz returned to Guatemala in September 1989. By the following month, she was receiving death threats. For her safety, Ortiz decided to seek refuge at Posada de Bel?n, a convent and religious retreat 170 miles (270 km) from San Miguel in Antigua. > > On November 2, Ortiz was reading in the convent's garden when her life was forever changed. In an interview with Kerry Kennedy, she recalled that: > > I heard a man's deep voice behind me: 'Hello, my love,' he said in Spanish. 'We have some things to discuss.' I turned to see the morning sunlight glinting off a gun held by a man who had threatened me once before on the street. He and his partner forced me onto a bus, then into a police car where they blindfolded me. > > We came to a building and they led me down some stairs. They left me in a dark cell, where I listened to the cries of a man and woman being tortured. When the men returned, they accused me of being a guerrilla and began interrogating me. For every answer I gave them, they burned my back or my chest with cigarettes. Afterwards, they gang-raped me repeatedly. > > Ortiz was then moved to another room with another woman prisoner. Some men returned with a video camera and a machete, which Ortiz thought would be used to torture her. Instead, she says she was forced to kill the other woman. > > "What I remember is blood gushing, spurting like a water fountain... and my cries lost in the cries of the woman," she recalled. Her captors then threatened to release video of her attacking the woman if she refused to cooperate. Then: > > I was lowered into a pit full of bodies?bodies of children, men, and women, some decapitated, all caked with blood. A few were still alive. I could hear them moaning... A stench of decay rose from the pits. Rats swarmed over the bodies... I passed out and when I came to I was lying on the ground beside the pit, rats all over me. > > Ortiz said that a North American man her torturers called "Alejandro" was present during her ordeal. When he realized she was an American, he helped her get dressed and drove her away while apologizing. "He said he was... working to liberate [Guatemala] from communism," Ortiz recalled. > > > Darleen Chmielewski, a Franciscan nun who was one of the first people to see Ortiz after her escape, described her friend as in "a state of shock." The two women went to the home of the the Vatican representative in Guatemala City, who had offered Ortiz refuge. > > "Diana wanted to take a bath," Chmielewski recalled. "I helped her wash and saw all the cigarette burns... she just cried and took baths." > > Two days later, Ortiz was back in the United States. "After escaping from my torturers, I returned home to New Mexico so traumatized that I recognized no one, not even my parents," she told Kennedy. "I had virtually no memory of my life before my abduction; the only piece of my identity that remained was that I was a woman who was raped and forced to torture and murder another human being." > > Ortiz also felt forced to do something unimaginable for many nuns. "I got pregnant as a result of the multiple gang rapes," she told Kennedy. "Unable to carry within me... what I could only view as a monster, I turned to someone for assistance and I destroyed that life." > > "I felt I had no choice," explained Ortiz. "If I had had to grow within me what the torturers left me I would have died." > > > Ortiz's torment continued as she sought?and was denied?justice. U.S. embassy officials accused her of staging her abduction in a bid to thwart the George H.W. Bush administration's military aid to Guatemala. Cigarette burns?111 of them, according to a U.S. doctor who examined her?told a different story. > > "The U.S. government funded, trained, and equipped the Guatemalan army's death squads?my torturers themselves." > ?Ortiz > In a bizarre twist, Guatemalan officials claimed Ortiz faked her kidnapping to cover up a violent lesbian affair, a rumor subsequently spread by U.S. officials. Previously, the Reagan administration had undertaken a similar effort to discredit another Ursuline nun, Dorothy Kazel of Cleveland, Ohio, who along with three other American churchwomen was kidnapped, raped, and executed? in El Salvador by U.S.-backed troops in 1980. > > Even though she was back in the relative safety of the United States, Ortiz received menacing phone calls and anonymous packages, one containing a dead mouse wrapped in a Guatemalan flag. However, undaunted, she made three trips to Guatemala to testify against the government there. > > > > Ortiz tasted victory, albeit of a largely symbolic nature, in April 1995, when a federal judge in Boston ordered Gen. H?ctor Gramajo, the Guatemalan defense minister who had tried to discredit Ortiz, to pay her and eight other torture victims a combined $47.5 million. > > In 1996 Ortiz held a five-week fasting vigil in front of the White House, where she demanded that the U.S. government declassify all documents about human rights abuses in Guatemala since the 1954 coup. Hillary Clinton, then first lady, invited Ortiz to her office. During their meeting, Clinton did not rule out the possibility that "Alejandro" was a past or current U.S. operative. > > Ortiz's relentless pursuit of justice eventually compelled the United States to declassify long-secret documents revealing details of U.S. cooperation with Guatemalan security forces before, during, and after the time of her abduction, including an admission that the U.S. embassy was in contact with members of a death squad. > > The documents also showed that Gen. Gramajo had been trained in counterinsurgency tactics at the U.S. Army School of the Americas (SOA), where military and police officials from Latin American allies?many of them dictatorships?were instructed in counterinsurgency and democracy suppression using course manuals that advocated the torture and execution of civilians. > > > The files also proved that the U.S. was supporting Guatemalan forces guilty of perpetrating genocide. In 1999, President Bill Clinton apologized to the Guatemalan people for the U.S. role in the bloodshed, terror, and repression. > > "The U.S. government funded, trained, and equipped the Guatemalan army's death squads?my torturers themselves," Ortiz later wrote . "The United States was the Guatemalan army's partner in a covert war against a small opposition force, a war the United Nations would later declare genocidal." > > Ortiz's suffering left her with an acute awareness of human rights issues and a desire to work in service of those rights. In 1998 she founded Torture Abolition and Survivors Support Coalition International (TASSC), and in 2002 published The Blindfold's Eyes: My Journey from Torture to Truth. In the 2000s Ortiz was a vocal opponent of the George W. Bush's torture program in the so-called War on Terror. > > Last year, she was named deputy director of Pax Christi USA, part of an international Catholic peace movement. > > > Recently, Ortiz worked for nuclear disarmament and led Pax Christi's work commemorating the 75th anniversary of the U.S. nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. > > As for her recovery, Ortiz wrote in The Blindfold's Eyes that despite years of therapy at Chicago's Marjorie Kovler Center for torture survivors, "no one ever fully recovers" from torture, "not the one who is tortured, and not the one who tortures." > > Ortiz never not stopped searching for the whole truth of what happened to her back in 1989. > > "No one ever fully recovers, not the one who is tortured, and not the one who tortures." > ?Ortiz > "I demand the right to a future built on truth and justice," she told Kennedy. "My torturers were never brought to justice. It is possible that, individually, they will never be identified or apprehended. But I cannot resign myself to this fact and move on. I have a responsibility to the people of Guatemala and to the people of the world to insist on accountability where it is possible." > > "I know what it is to wait in the dark for torture, and what it is to wait in the dark for the truth," said Ortiz. "I am still waiting." > > > > Ursuline Sister Larraine Lauter was with Ortiz when she passed away on Friday. Lauter called her friend "unfailingly good." > > "Dianna walked through the very worst of hell and came out with love," she told the Catholic Standard. "It's hard to believe that bad things happen to good nuns, but they do. Her legacy is for us to be nonviolent. Her legacy is a witness to nonviolence and to love in the face of evil and to redemption. That's her legacy, to teach us that that's possible." > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Fri Feb 26 05:39:51 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 23:39:51 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 In-Reply-To: References: <94A8CBC2-7511-46E9-802F-99776413FB15@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <4456D986-22EF-4B86-BBEE-2AA0570E49AD@newsfromneptune.com> The following is from the Wikipedia article: "In a 1996 widely recounted interview with Ortiz on the TV news program Nightline, American journalist Cokie Roberts contested Ortiz's claim that an American was among her captors. Roberts implied that Ortiz was lying about the entire episode, despite the fact that Ortiz later won a lawsuit against a Guatemalan general she accused in the case.[10] It was later revealed that Patton Boggs, the law firm of Roberts' brother Tom Boggs, was paid by the Guatemalan government to promote a more positive image of the regime, which was widely criticized internationally for human rights abuses.[11][12][13]? Ortiz? own account is presumably in ? "'The Blindfold's Eyes: My Journey from Torture to Truth" (Dianna Ortiz, with Patricia Davis, Orbis, 2002), 484 pages - which I haven?t read. Requiescant in pace. > On Feb 21, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Carl > > It doesn?t appear in this article by Louis Proyect, but it did in the article posted by Jeffrey St. Clair from the Washington Post. Coming from the WP does leave it open to question, given their lack of credibility, and I?m unable to access it again. > > I recall a paragraph referring to Dianna Ortiz, saying ?she was forced to dismember another captive with a machete, and they filmed the killing in order to blackmail her,? that stuck in my memory upon reading it, the very horror of it. > I found it quite disturbing, and wonder if its true. > > Clearly no one knows what they would do under such circumstances. If its true, it must be understood she was a victim, but??..again if true the guilt must have been horrific. Also, legally how has this been dealt with in other such cases? > > Again, I?m not attempting to discredit her, but given I posted the article by Jeffrey at the time not realizing it came from the WP, I?m now planning to delete it. > > Dianna Ortiz, work with victims, calling attention to some of the horrors the US is responsible for inflicting on other nations is quite valuable and the SOA where we train foreign militaries in torture tactics must be closed down, if not already. > > > > >> On Feb 21, 2021, at 13:25, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> >> >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> From: "Louis Proyect" >>> Subject: [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 >>> Date: February 21, 2021 at 8:14:05 AM CST >>> To: marxmail at groups.io >>> Reply-To: marxmail at groups.io >>> >>> Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 >>> She became a champion of survivors of torture and helped compel the release of documents showing U.S. complicity in decades of human rights abuses in Guatemala. >>> >>> ? >>> ? >>> ? >>> ? >>> ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sister Dianna Ortiz in 1996. After being raped and tortured in Guatemala, she helped focus attention on the 200,000 people who were killed or disappeared during that country?s 36-year civil war.Credit...Stephen Crowley/The New York Times >>> >>> By Katharine Q. Seelye >>> ? NYT, Feb. 20, 2021 >>> Dianna Ortiz, an American Roman Catholic nun whose rape and torture in Guatemala in 1989 helped lead to the release of documents showing American involvement in human rights abuses in that country, died on Friday in hospice care in Washington. She was 62. >>> The cause was cancer, said Marie Dennis, a longtime friend. >>> While serving as a missionary and teaching Indigenous children in the western highlands of Guatemala, Sister Ortiz was abducted, gang-raped and tortured by a Guatemalan security force. Her story became even more explosive when she said that someone she believed to be an American had acted in concert with her abductors. >>> Only after years of extensive therapy at the Marjorie Kovler Center in Chicago for survivors of torture did Sister Ortiz start to recover, at which point she began to hunt down information about her case. She went on to become a global champion for people subjected to torture, and her case would help compel the release of classified documents showing decades of U.S. complicity in human rights abuses in Guatemala during its 36-year civil war, in which 200,000 civilians were killed. >>> It was never clear why she and many other Americans were targeted. She was told at one point that hers was a case of mistaken identity, an assertion she didn?t believe. Her attack came during a particularly lawless period; ravaged by war, Guatemala was being run by a series of right-wing military dictatorships, some of them violent toward Indigenous people and suspicious of anyone helping them. >>> ADVERTISEMENT >>> Continue reading the main story >>> Sister Ortiz?s 24-hour ordeal, initially labeled a hoax by American and Guatemalan officials, included multiple gang rapes. Her back was pockmarked with more than 100 cigarette burns. At one point she was suspended by her wrists over an open pit packed with the bodies of men, women and children, some of them decapitated, some of them still alive. At another point she was forced to stab to death a woman who was also being held captive. Her abductors took pictures and videotaped the act to use against her. >>> ? Refer someone to The Times. >>> They?ll enjoy our special rate of $1 a week. >>> The torture stopped, she said, only after a man who appeared to be an American ? and appeared to be in charge ? saw what was happening and ordered her release, saying her abduction had become news in the outside world. He took her to his car and said he would give her safe haven at the American Embassy. He also advised her to forgive her torturers. Fearing he was going to kill her, she jumped out. >>> The trauma left her confused and distraught. She had become pregnant during the assaults and had an abortion. As often happens with people subjected to torture, much of her memory of her life before the abduction was wiped out. When she returned to her family in New Mexico and to her religious order of nuns in Kentucky, she didn?t know them. >>> ?To this day I can smell the decomposing of bodies, disposed of in an open pit,? she said in an interview in the late 1990s with Kerry Kennedy, president of Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights, an advocacy organization. ?I can hear the piercing screams of other people being tortured. I can see the blood gushing out of the woman?s body.? >>> Editors? Picks >>> >>> >>> Was ?60 Minutes? TV?s Most Toxic Workplace? >>> >>> >>> The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired. >>> >>> >>> Black Grief, White Grievance: Artists Search for Racial Justice >>> >>> Continue reading the main story >>> >>> Image >>> At a news conference in 1996, Sister Ortiz displayed composite drawings of her Guatemalan attackers.Credit...Ron Edmonds/Associated Press >>> When she suggested that her abductors were supervised by an American, she was smeared. ?The Guatemalan president claimed that the abduction had never occurred, simultaneously claiming that it had been carried out by nongovernmental elements and therefore was not a human rights abuse,? she said in the interview with Ms. Kennedy. >>> ADVERTISEMENT >>> Continue reading the main story >>> Sister Ortiz filed Freedom of Information Act requests. She pressed her case in American and Guatemalan courts. In 1995, a federal judge in Boston ordered a former Guatemala general to pay $47.5 million to her and eight Guatemalans, saying they had been victims of his ?indiscriminate campaign of terror? against thousands of civilians. (She never received the money.) >>> She recounted her story to the news media and participated in protests to urge the American government to release its files on her. In 1996, she began a five-week vigil and hunger strike across from the White House seeking the declassification of all U.S. government documents related to human rights abuses in Guatemala since 1954. >>> In a little-noted moment, Hillary Clinton, at the time the first lady, met with Sister Ortiz during her hunger strike. Ms. Kennedy said in a phone interview that Mrs. Clinton?s prodding had helped lead to the release of government papers regarding Sister Ortiz. >>> The files were heavily redacted and did not reveal the identity of the American or by what authority he had access to the scene of her torture. But Sister Ortiz?s case became part of a sweeping review of American foreign policy and covert action in Guatemala during the Reagan, Bush and Clinton administrations. >>> Over time, declassified documents showed that Guatemalan forces that committed acts of genocide during the civil war had been equipped and trained by the United States. >>> ?Dianna shined a huge spotlight on the fact that the United States government, through the C.I.A. and military intelligence, was working hand in glove with the Guatemala military intelligence units,? Jennifer Harbury, a close friend, said in an interview. Her husband, a Guatemalan commando, had been killed during the civil war. >>> ADVERTISEMENT >>> Continue reading the main story >>> In 1999, President Bill Clinton apologized for the American involvement. >>> Sister Ortiz?s book, ?The Blindfold?s Eyes: My Journey from Torture to Truth? (2002, with Patricia Davis), recounted the psychological toll that both the abduction and her quest for the truth had taken on her. >>> And at some point, her friends said, she realized that she had to stop, for her own sanity. >>> ?It was so exhausting for her; she had to pull back, or it was going to do her in,? Meredith Larson, a friend and fellow human rights activist who was also attacked in Guatemala, said in an interview. >>> Sister Ortiz stopped agitating for information in her own case, Ms. Larson said, but she became a champion of torture survivors, remaining active in torture-related causes. >>> ?She has moved our collective consciousness on how destructive torture is and how important it is to support the well-being of survivors,? Ms. Larson said. >>> Dianna Mae Ortiz was born on Sept. 2, 1958, in Colorado Springs, Colo., and grew up in Grants, N.M., one of eight children. Her mother, Ambroshia, was a homemaker; her father, Pilar Ortiz, was a uranium miner. >>> She is survived by her mother; her brothers, Ronald, Pilar Jr., John and Josh Ortiz; and her sisters, Barbara Murrietta and Michelle Salazar. Another brother, Melvin, died in 1974. >>> Dianna yearned for a religious life from an early age and in 1977 entered the Ursuline novitiate at Mount St. Joseph, in Maple Mount, Ky. She then became a sister of the Ursuline Order. While undergoing her religious training, she attended nearby Brescia University, graduating in 1983 with a degree in elementary and early childhood education. She taught kindergarten before going to Guatemala in 1987. >>> ADVERTISEMENT >>> Continue reading the main story >>> In 1994 she moved to Washington to work for the Guatemala Human Rights Commission. There she met others who had lost loved ones to torture or who had been tortured themselves, and they started a group called Coalition Missing to draw attention to those who were killed or disappeared in Guatemala. >>> She later helped found the Torture Abolition and Survivors Support Coalition, which became a global movement. >>> ?What we saw was a woman of incredible courage and integrity who literally came back from the dead,? her friend Ms. Dennis said in an interview. ?It was a struggle for her for years and years not to be pulled back into that awful place. But she claimed life and was able to do phenomenal work.? >>> Katharine Q. ?Kit? Seelye is a Times obituary writer. She was previously the paper's New England bureau chief, based in Boston. She worked in The Times's Washington bureau for 12 years, has covered six presidential campaigns and pioneered The Times?s online coverage of politics. @kseelye >>> _._,_._,_ >>> Groups.io Links: >>> You receive all messages sent to this group. >>> >>> View/Reply Online (#6577) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic >>> >>> POSTING RULES & NOTES >>> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >>> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >>> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >>> Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>> _._,_._,_ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:32:20 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:32:20 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 In-Reply-To: <4456D986-22EF-4B86-BBEE-2AA0570E49AD@newsfromneptune.com> References: <94A8CBC2-7511-46E9-802F-99776413FB15@newsfromneptune.com> <4456D986-22EF-4B86-BBEE-2AA0570E49AD@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Thanks Carl, This is exactly what I want, an account in Ortiz own words, not articles by others especially after her death. > On Feb 25, 2021, at 23:39, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > > The following is from the Wikipedia article: > > "In a 1996 widely recounted interview with Ortiz on the TV news program Nightline, American journalist Cokie Roberts contested Ortiz's claim that an American was among her captors. Roberts implied that Ortiz was lying about the entire episode, despite the fact that Ortiz later won a lawsuit against a Guatemalan general she accused in the case.[10] It was later revealed that Patton Boggs, the law firm of Roberts' brother Tom Boggs, was paid by the Guatemalan government to promote a more positive image of the regime, which was widely criticized internationally for human rights abuses.[11][12][13]? > > Ortiz? own account is presumably in ? "'The Blindfold's Eyes: My Journey from Torture to Truth" (Dianna Ortiz, with Patricia Davis, Orbis, 2002), 484 pages - which I haven?t read. > > Requiescant in pace. > > >> On Feb 21, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> Carl >> >> It doesn?t appear in this article by Louis Proyect, but it did in the article posted by Jeffrey St. Clair from the Washington Post. Coming from the WP does leave it open to question, given their lack of credibility, and I?m unable to access it again. >> >> I recall a paragraph referring to Dianna Ortiz, saying ?she was forced to dismember another captive with a machete, and they filmed the killing in order to blackmail her,? that stuck in my memory upon reading it, the very horror of it. >> I found it quite disturbing, and wonder if its true. >> >> Clearly no one knows what they would do under such circumstances. If its true, it must be understood she was a victim, but??..again if true the guilt must have been horrific. Also, legally how has this been dealt with in other such cases? >> >> Again, I?m not attempting to discredit her, but given I posted the article by Jeffrey at the time not realizing it came from the WP, I?m now planning to delete it. >> >> Dianna Ortiz, work with victims, calling attention to some of the horrors the US is responsible for inflicting on other nations is quite valuable and the SOA where we train foreign militaries in torture tactics must be closed down, if not already. >> >> >> >> >>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 13:25, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: "Louis Proyect" >>>> Subject: [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 >>>> Date: February 21, 2021 at 8:14:05 AM CST >>>> To: marxmail at groups.io >>>> Reply-To: marxmail at groups.io >>>> >>>> Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 >>>> She became a champion of survivors of torture and helped compel the release of documents showing U.S. complicity in decades of human rights abuses in Guatemala. >>>> >>>> ? >>>> ? >>>> ? >>>> ? >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sister Dianna Ortiz in 1996. After being raped and tortured in Guatemala, she helped focus attention on the 200,000 people who were killed or disappeared during that country?s 36-year civil war.Credit...Stephen Crowley/The New York Times >>>> >>>> By Katharine Q. Seelye >>>> ? NYT, Feb. 20, 2021 >>>> Dianna Ortiz, an American Roman Catholic nun whose rape and torture in Guatemala in 1989 helped lead to the release of documents showing American involvement in human rights abuses in that country, died on Friday in hospice care in Washington. She was 62. >>>> The cause was cancer, said Marie Dennis, a longtime friend. >>>> While serving as a missionary and teaching Indigenous children in the western highlands of Guatemala, Sister Ortiz was abducted, gang-raped and tortured by a Guatemalan security force. Her story became even more explosive when she said that someone she believed to be an American had acted in concert with her abductors. >>>> Only after years of extensive therapy at the Marjorie Kovler Center in Chicago for survivors of torture did Sister Ortiz start to recover, at which point she began to hunt down information about her case. She went on to become a global champion for people subjected to torture, and her case would help compel the release of classified documents showing decades of U.S. complicity in human rights abuses in Guatemala during its 36-year civil war, in which 200,000 civilians were killed. >>>> It was never clear why she and many other Americans were targeted. She was told at one point that hers was a case of mistaken identity, an assertion she didn?t believe. Her attack came during a particularly lawless period; ravaged by war, Guatemala was being run by a series of right-wing military dictatorships, some of them violent toward Indigenous people and suspicious of anyone helping them. >>>> ADVERTISEMENT >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> Sister Ortiz?s 24-hour ordeal, initially labeled a hoax by American and Guatemalan officials, included multiple gang rapes. Her back was pockmarked with more than 100 cigarette burns. At one point she was suspended by her wrists over an open pit packed with the bodies of men, women and children, some of them decapitated, some of them still alive. At another point she was forced to stab to death a woman who was also being held captive. Her abductors took pictures and videotaped the act to use against her. >>>> ? Refer someone to The Times. >>>> They?ll enjoy our special rate of $1 a week. >>>> The torture stopped, she said, only after a man who appeared to be an American ? and appeared to be in charge ? saw what was happening and ordered her release, saying her abduction had become news in the outside world. He took her to his car and said he would give her safe haven at the American Embassy. He also advised her to forgive her torturers. Fearing he was going to kill her, she jumped out. >>>> The trauma left her confused and distraught. She had become pregnant during the assaults and had an abortion. As often happens with people subjected to torture, much of her memory of her life before the abduction was wiped out. When she returned to her family in New Mexico and to her religious order of nuns in Kentucky, she didn?t know them. >>>> ?To this day I can smell the decomposing of bodies, disposed of in an open pit,? she said in an interview in the late 1990s with Kerry Kennedy, president of Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights, an advocacy organization. ?I can hear the piercing screams of other people being tortured. I can see the blood gushing out of the woman?s body.? >>>> Editors? Picks >>>> >>>> >>>> Was ?60 Minutes? TV?s Most Toxic Workplace? >>>> >>>> >>>> The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired. >>>> >>>> >>>> Black Grief, White Grievance: Artists Search for Racial Justice >>>> >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> >>>> Image >>>> At a news conference in 1996, Sister Ortiz displayed composite drawings of her Guatemalan attackers.Credit...Ron Edmonds/Associated Press >>>> When she suggested that her abductors were supervised by an American, she was smeared. ?The Guatemalan president claimed that the abduction had never occurred, simultaneously claiming that it had been carried out by nongovernmental elements and therefore was not a human rights abuse,? she said in the interview with Ms. Kennedy. >>>> ADVERTISEMENT >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> Sister Ortiz filed Freedom of Information Act requests. She pressed her case in American and Guatemalan courts. In 1995, a federal judge in Boston ordered a former Guatemala general to pay $47.5 million to her and eight Guatemalans, saying they had been victims of his ?indiscriminate campaign of terror? against thousands of civilians. (She never received the money.) >>>> She recounted her story to the news media and participated in protests to urge the American government to release its files on her. In 1996, she began a five-week vigil and hunger strike across from the White House seeking the declassification of all U.S. government documents related to human rights abuses in Guatemala since 1954. >>>> In a little-noted moment, Hillary Clinton, at the time the first lady, met with Sister Ortiz during her hunger strike. Ms. Kennedy said in a phone interview that Mrs. Clinton?s prodding had helped lead to the release of government papers regarding Sister Ortiz. >>>> The files were heavily redacted and did not reveal the identity of the American or by what authority he had access to the scene of her torture. But Sister Ortiz?s case became part of a sweeping review of American foreign policy and covert action in Guatemala during the Reagan, Bush and Clinton administrations. >>>> Over time, declassified documents showed that Guatemalan forces that committed acts of genocide during the civil war had been equipped and trained by the United States. >>>> ?Dianna shined a huge spotlight on the fact that the United States government, through the C.I.A. and military intelligence, was working hand in glove with the Guatemala military intelligence units,? Jennifer Harbury, a close friend, said in an interview. Her husband, a Guatemalan commando, had been killed during the civil war. >>>> ADVERTISEMENT >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> In 1999, President Bill Clinton apologized for the American involvement. >>>> Sister Ortiz?s book, ?The Blindfold?s Eyes: My Journey from Torture to Truth? (2002, with Patricia Davis), recounted the psychological toll that both the abduction and her quest for the truth had taken on her. >>>> And at some point, her friends said, she realized that she had to stop, for her own sanity. >>>> ?It was so exhausting for her; she had to pull back, or it was going to do her in,? Meredith Larson, a friend and fellow human rights activist who was also attacked in Guatemala, said in an interview. >>>> Sister Ortiz stopped agitating for information in her own case, Ms. Larson said, but she became a champion of torture survivors, remaining active in torture-related causes. >>>> ?She has moved our collective consciousness on how destructive torture is and how important it is to support the well-being of survivors,? Ms. Larson said. >>>> Dianna Mae Ortiz was born on Sept. 2, 1958, in Colorado Springs, Colo., and grew up in Grants, N.M., one of eight children. Her mother, Ambroshia, was a homemaker; her father, Pilar Ortiz, was a uranium miner. >>>> She is survived by her mother; her brothers, Ronald, Pilar Jr., John and Josh Ortiz; and her sisters, Barbara Murrietta and Michelle Salazar. Another brother, Melvin, died in 1974. >>>> Dianna yearned for a religious life from an early age and in 1977 entered the Ursuline novitiate at Mount St. Joseph, in Maple Mount, Ky. She then became a sister of the Ursuline Order. While undergoing her religious training, she attended nearby Brescia University, graduating in 1983 with a degree in elementary and early childhood education. She taught kindergarten before going to Guatemala in 1987. >>>> ADVERTISEMENT >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> In 1994 she moved to Washington to work for the Guatemala Human Rights Commission. There she met others who had lost loved ones to torture or who had been tortured themselves, and they started a group called Coalition Missing to draw attention to those who were killed or disappeared in Guatemala. >>>> She later helped found the Torture Abolition and Survivors Support Coalition, which became a global movement. >>>> ?What we saw was a woman of incredible courage and integrity who literally came back from the dead,? her friend Ms. Dennis said in an interview. ?It was a struggle for her for years and years not to be pulled back into that awful place. But she claimed life and was able to do phenomenal work.? >>>> Katharine Q. ?Kit? Seelye is a Times obituary writer. She was previously the paper's New England bureau chief, based in Boston. She worked in The Times's Washington bureau for 12 years, has covered six presidential campaigns and pioneered The Times?s online coverage of politics. @kseelye >>>> _._,_._,_ >>>> Groups.io Links: >>>> You receive all messages sent to this group. >>>> >>>> View/Reply Online (#6577) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic >>>> >>>> POSTING RULES & NOTES >>>> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >>>> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >>>> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >>>> Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>>> _._,_._,_ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > From moboct1 at aim.com Fri Feb 26 18:48:36 2021 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 In-Reply-To: References: <94A8CBC2-7511-46E9-802F-99776413FB15@newsfromneptune.com> <4456D986-22EF-4B86-BBEE-2AA0570E49AD@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <1385324537.195140.1614365316259@mail.yahoo.com> Addendum:? "My Blindfold's Eyes" I checked local libraries but found no copy. Orbis Press is operated by Maryknoll Religious Organization Robert Ellsberg was Editor at the time (son of Daniel) I? suppose it could be ordered from Maryknoll Fathers and Brothers, POBox 302, Maryknoll, NY 10545-0302. ? Yeah, I read? that about Cokie Boggs Roberts who tried to trash Dianna's account (typical NPR garbage), and her brother, the rat Tom Boggs lawyer at Patton Boggs which was on the payroll of the terrorist govmt of Guatemala (probably CIA $$) who obviously thought it needed some image whitewashing & legal representation in Wash D.C.? More corrupt Louisiana-Boggs connection...? ? Midge Cc: Peace Discuss ; Peace Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2021 7:33 am Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 Thanks Carl, This is exactly what I want, an account in Ortiz own words, not articles by others especially after her death. > On Feb 25, 2021, at 23:39, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > > The following is from the Wikipedia article: > > "In a 1996 widely recounted interview with Ortiz on the TV news program Nightline, American journalist Cokie Roberts contested Ortiz's claim that an American was among her captors. Roberts implied that Ortiz was lying about the entire episode, despite the fact that Ortiz later won a lawsuit against a Guatemalan general she accused in the case.[10] It was later revealed that Patton Boggs, the law firm of Roberts' brother Tom Boggs, was paid by the Guatemalan government to promote a more positive image of the regime, which was widely criticized internationally for human rights abuses.[11][12][13]? > > Ortiz? own account is presumably in ? "'The Blindfold's Eyes: My Journey from Torture to Truth" (Dianna Ortiz, with Patricia Davis, Orbis, 2002), 484 pages - which I haven?t read. > > Requiescant in pace. > > P.S.? Carl, I think requiescat is the singular...mo/b >> On Feb 21, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> Carl >> >> It doesn?t appear in this article by Louis Proyect, but it did in the article posted by Jeffrey St. Clair from the Washington Post. Coming from the WP does leave it open to question, given their lack of credibility, and I?m unable to access it again. >> >> I recall a paragraph referring to Dianna Ortiz, saying ?she was forced to dismember another captive with a machete, and they filmed the killing in order to blackmail her,? that stuck in my memory upon reading it, the very horror of it. >> I found it quite disturbing, and wonder if its true. >> >> Clearly no one knows what they would do under such circumstances. If its true, it must be understood she was a victim, but??..again if true the guilt must have been horrific. Also, legally how has this been dealt with in other such cases? >> >> Again, I?m not attempting to discredit her, but given I posted the article by Jeffrey at the time not realizing it came from the WP, I?m now planning to delete it. >> >> Dianna Ortiz, work with victims, calling attention to some of the horrors the US is responsible for inflicting on other nations is quite valuable and the SOA where we train foreign militaries in torture tactics must be closed down, if not already. >> >> >> >> >>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 13:25, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: "Louis Proyect" >>>> Subject: [marxmail] Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 >>>> Date: February 21, 2021 at 8:14:05 AM CST >>>> To: marxmail at groups.io >>>> Reply-To: marxmail at groups.io >>>> >>>> Dianna Ortiz, American Nun Tortured in Guatemala, Dies at 62 >>>> She became a champion of survivors of torture and helped compel the release of documents showing U.S. complicity in decades of human rights abuses in Guatemala. >>>> >>>> ??? ? >>>> ??? ? >>>> ??? ? >>>> ??? ? >>>> ??? ?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sister Dianna Ortiz in 1996. After being raped and tortured in Guatemala, she helped focus attention on the 200,000 people who were killed or disappeared during that country?s 36-year civil war.Credit...Stephen Crowley/The New York Times >>>> >>>> By Katharine Q. Seelye? ? ? ? ? >>>> ??? ? NYT, Feb. 20, 2021 >>>> Dianna Ortiz, an American Roman Catholic nun whose rape and torture in Guatemala in 1989 helped lead to the release of documents showing American involvement in human rights abuses in that country, died on Friday in hospice care in Washington. She was 62. >>>> The cause was cancer, said Marie Dennis, a longtime friend. >>>> While serving as a missionary and teaching Indigenous children in the western highlands of Guatemala, Sister Ortiz was abducted, gang-raped and tortured by a Guatemalan security force. Her story became even more explosive when she said that someone she believed to be an American had acted in concert with her abductors. >>>> Only after years of extensive therapy at the Marjorie Kovler Center in Chicago for survivors of torture did Sister Ortiz start to recover, at which point she began to hunt down information about her case. She went on to become a global champion for people subjected to torture, and her case would help compel the release of classified documents showing decades of U.S. complicity in human rights abuses in Guatemala during its 36-year civil war, in which 200,000 civilians were killed. >>>> It was never clear why she and many other Americans were targeted. She was told at one point that hers was a case of mistaken identity, an assertion she didn?t believe. Her attack came during a particularly lawless period; ravaged by war, Guatemala was being run by a series of right-wing military dictatorships, some of them violent toward Indigenous people and suspicious of anyone helping them. >>>> ADVERTISEMENT >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> Sister Ortiz?s 24-hour ordeal, initially labeled a hoax by American and Guatemalan officials, included multiple gang rapes. Her back was pockmarked with more than 100 cigarette burns. At one point she was suspended by her wrists over an open pit packed with the bodies of men, women and children, some of them decapitated, some of them still alive. At another point she was forced to stab to death a woman who was also being held captive. Her abductors took pictures and videotaped the act to use against her. >>>> ??? ? Refer someone to The Times. >>>> They?ll enjoy our special rate of $1 a week. >>>> The torture stopped, she said, only after a man who appeared to be an American ? and appeared to be in charge ? saw what was happening and ordered her release, saying her abduction had become news in the outside world. He took her to his car and said he would give her safe haven at the American Embassy. He also advised her to forgive her torturers. Fearing he was going to kill her, she jumped out. >>>> The trauma left her confused and distraught. She had become pregnant during the assaults and had an abortion. As often happens with people subjected to torture, much of her memory of her life before the abduction was wiped out. When she returned to her family in New Mexico and to her religious order of nuns in Kentucky, she didn?t know them. >>>> ?To this day I can smell the decomposing of bodies, disposed of in an open pit,? she said in an interview in the late 1990s with Kerry Kennedy, president of Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights, an advocacy organization. ?I can hear the piercing screams of other people being tortured. I can see the blood gushing out of the woman?s body.? >>>> Editors? Picks >>>> >>>> >>>> Was ?60 Minutes? TV?s Most Toxic Workplace? >>>> >>>> >>>> The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired. >>>> >>>> >>>> Black Grief, White Grievance: Artists Search for Racial Justice >>>> >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> >>>> Image >>>> At a news conference in 1996, Sister Ortiz displayed composite drawings of her Guatemalan attackers.Credit...Ron Edmonds/Associated Press >>>> When she suggested that her abductors were supervised by an American, she was smeared. ?The Guatemalan president claimed that the abduction had never occurred, simultaneously claiming that it had been carried out by nongovernmental elements and therefore was not a human rights abuse,? she said in the interview with Ms. Kennedy. >>>> ADVERTISEMENT >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> Sister Ortiz filed Freedom of Information Act requests. She pressed her case in American and Guatemalan courts. In 1995, a federal judge in Boston ordered a former Guatemala general to pay $47.5 million to her and eight Guatemalans, saying they had been victims of his ?indiscriminate campaign of terror? against thousands of civilians. (She never received the money.) >>>> She recounted her story to the news media and participated in protests to urge the American government to release its files on her. In 1996, she began a five-week vigil and hunger strike across from the White House seeking the declassification of all U.S. government documents related to human rights abuses in Guatemala since 1954. >>>> In a little-noted moment, Hillary Clinton, at the time the first lady, met with Sister Ortiz during her hunger strike. Ms. Kennedy said in a phone interview that Mrs. Clinton?s prodding had helped lead to the release of government papers regarding Sister Ortiz. >>>> The files were heavily redacted and did not reveal the identity of the American or by what authority he had access to the scene of her torture. But Sister Ortiz?s case became part of a sweeping review of American foreign policy and covert action in Guatemala during the Reagan, Bush and Clinton administrations. >>>> Over time, declassified documents showed that Guatemalan forces that committed acts of genocide during the civil war had been equipped and trained by the United States. >>>> ?Dianna shined a huge spotlight on the fact that the United States government, through the C.I.A. and military intelligence, was working hand in glove with the Guatemala military intelligence units,? Jennifer Harbury, a close friend, said in an interview. Her husband, a Guatemalan commando, had been killed during the civil war. >>>> ADVERTISEMENT >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> In 1999, President Bill Clinton apologized for the American involvement. >>>> Sister Ortiz?s book, ?The Blindfold?s Eyes: My Journey from Torture? ? ? ? ? ? to Truth? (2002, with Patricia Davis), recounted the psychological toll that both the abduction and her quest for the truth had taken on her. >>>> And at some point, her friends said, she realized that she had to stop, for her own sanity. >>>> ?It was so exhausting for her; she had to pull back, or it was going to do her in,? Meredith Larson, a friend and fellow human rights activist who was also attacked in Guatemala, said in an interview. >>>> Sister Ortiz stopped agitating for information in her own case, Ms. Larson said, but she became a champion of torture survivors, remaining active in torture-related causes. >>>> ?She has moved our collective consciousness on how destructive torture is and how important it is to support the well-being of survivors,? Ms. Larson said. >>>> Dianna Mae Ortiz was born on Sept. 2, 1958, in Colorado Springs, Colo., and grew up in Grants, N.M., one of eight children. Her mother, Ambroshia, was a homemaker; her father, Pilar Ortiz, was a uranium miner. >>>> She is survived by her mother; her brothers, Ronald, Pilar Jr., John and Josh Ortiz; and her sisters, Barbara Murrietta and Michelle Salazar. Another brother, Melvin, died in 1974. >>>> Dianna yearned for a religious life from an early age and in 1977 entered the Ursuline novitiate at Mount St. Joseph, in Maple Mount, Ky. She then became a sister of the Ursuline Order. While undergoing her religious training, she attended nearby Brescia University, graduating in 1983 with a degree in elementary and early childhood education. She taught kindergarten before going to Guatemala in 1987. >>>> ADVERTISEMENT >>>> Continue reading the main story >>>> In 1994 she moved to Washington to work for the Guatemala Human Rights Commission. There she met others who had lost loved ones to torture or who had been tortured themselves, and they started a group called Coalition Missing to draw attention to those who were killed or disappeared in Guatemala. >>>> She later helped found the Torture Abolition and Survivors Support Coalition, which became a global movement. >>>> ?What we saw was a woman of incredible courage and integrity who literally came back from the dead,? her friend Ms. Dennis said in an interview. ?It was a struggle for her for years and years not to be pulled back into that awful place. But she claimed life and was able to do phenomenal work.? >>>> Katharine Q. ?Kit? Seelye is a Times obituary writer. She was previously the paper's New England bureau chief, based in Boston. She worked in The Times's Washington bureau for 12 years, has covered six presidential campaigns and pioneered The Times?s online coverage of politics. @kseelye >>>> _._,_._,_ >>>> Groups.io Links: >>>> You receive all messages sent to this group. >>>> >>>> View/Reply Online (#6577) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic >>>> >>>> POSTING RULES & NOTES >>>> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >>>> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >>>> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >>>> Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>>> _._,_._,_ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Feb 28 19:10:14 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 13:10:14 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jimmy Dore on how "Joe Biden is the terrorist in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, the Sudan, Venezuela. We are the terrorists. FYI." Message-ID: Recent Jimmy Dore videos worth your time: "CAUGHT: BBC/Reuters Paid To Do Government Propaganda" https://youtube.com/watch?v=eJ8mycEVgGQ "Biden Betrays Working People Again -- Backtracks $15 Minimum Wage" https://youtube.com/watch?v=SRP6xPqPWGA "Twitter Censoring Foreign Policy Criticism w/Max Blumenthal" https://youtube.com/watch?v=yI4AuWlO9iA "Biden Does Air Strikes Before Relief Checks!" https://youtube.com/watch?v=10w4MhIEr7Q From this last link: Even after the Syrian air strikes which killed "at least 22 people" (according to the BBC) and Secretary of War (oops, "Defense") Lloyd J. Austin (our man from the Board of Directors at Raytheon where he still is and just got paid $1.7 million from Raytheon) told us: "we're confident in the target we went after, we know what we hit We're confident that target was being used by the same Shia militia that conducted the strikes" and these strikes were "very deliberate". Jen Psaki (Pres. Joe Biden's current press secretary) questioned the 2017 Syrian strikes under Trump asking "Also what is the legal authority for strikes?", doesn't challenge the recent anti-Syrian strikes. Commentator David French comparably claimed Trump's Syrian strikes were "Unconstitutional and imprudent. Trump's Syria policy is a dangerous mess." but Biden's Syrian strikes are "Good. Targeting out troops should carry a consequence.". Lying at the behest of the establishment carries no punishments. Sadly, none of these videos can be played on UPTV because of some 'foul' language not killing innocents abroad in Syria and denying people $2,000 COVID "relief" checks despite promises to the contrary, or denying a federal minimum wage hike. From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Feb 28 19:31:49 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 13:31:49 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Jimmy Dore on how "Joe Biden is the terrorist in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, the Sudan, Venezuela. We are the terrorists. FYI." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks J.B., these VDO?s may not be played on UPTV, but they can be posted on FB. :) > On Feb 28, 2021, at 13:10, J.B. Nicholson via Peace wrote: > > Recent Jimmy Dore videos worth your time: > > "CAUGHT: BBC/Reuters Paid To Do Government Propaganda" > https://youtube.com/watch?v=eJ8mycEVgGQ > > "Biden Betrays Working People Again -- Backtracks $15 Minimum Wage" > https://youtube.com/watch?v=SRP6xPqPWGA > > "Twitter Censoring Foreign Policy Criticism w/Max Blumenthal" > https://youtube.com/watch?v=yI4AuWlO9iA > > "Biden Does Air Strikes Before Relief Checks!" > https://youtube.com/watch?v=10w4MhIEr7Q > > > From this last link: Even after the Syrian air strikes which killed "at least 22 people" (according to the BBC) and Secretary of War (oops, "Defense") Lloyd J. Austin (our man from the Board of Directors at Raytheon where he still is and just got paid $1.7 million from Raytheon) told us: "we're confident in the target we went after, we know what we hit We're confident that target was being used by the same Shia militia that conducted the strikes" and these strikes were "very deliberate". > > Jen Psaki (Pres. Joe Biden's current press secretary) questioned the 2017 Syrian strikes under Trump asking "Also what is the legal authority for strikes?", doesn't challenge the recent anti-Syrian strikes. Commentator David French comparably claimed Trump's Syrian strikes were "Unconstitutional and imprudent. Trump's Syria policy is a dangerous mess." but Biden's Syrian strikes are "Good. Targeting out troops should carry a consequence.". Lying at the behest of the establishment carries no punishments. > > Sadly, none of these videos can be played on UPTV because of some 'foul' language not killing innocents abroad in Syria and denying people $2,000 COVID "relief" checks despite promises to the contrary, or denying a federal minimum wage hike. > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace