From moboct1 at aim.com  Sat Jan  2 01:45:00 2021
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 01:45:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Dreams of the leeches
In-Reply-To: <FB6EF186-5D8E-40F5-BFA9-CEB5A27F2310@illinois.edu>
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 <FB6EF186-5D8E-40F5-BFA9-CEB5A27F2310@illinois.edu>
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I'd like to recommend an alternative to 'Leeches' on a positive note, the lecture of Chris Hedges in Troy New York titled "Beyond the Politics of Despair" which was replayed by Alternative Radio on WILL Saturday Night (9-10pm Sat nights).? It is Hedges at his best--objective reporter and social commentator.? David Barsamian offers free transcripts or DVDs of AR programs upon request online or phone at 1-800-444-1977.
Midge


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From: Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>
Cc: Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu>; peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Peace-discuss <peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net>; peace-discuss at anti-war.net <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2020 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Dreams of the leeches

But Smith doe not describe how this radical change, revolutionn if you will, will come about?. tens or more of millions in the streets?

> On Dec 31, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Why the wealthiest Americans should prepare for ?a revolt against the unprecedented inequality?
> Last Updated: Dec. 30, 2020 at 5:03 p.m. ET
> First Published: Dec. 30, 2020 at 3:29 p.m. ET
> By Shawn Langlois, WSJ 123020
> 
> ?When the top 10%?s bubble pops in 2021, the loss of illusions/delusions of security and wealth will be shattering to all those who believed artifice and illusory ?wealth? were real.?
> That?s Charles Hugh Smith, previously hailed by CNBC as one of the best alternative financial bloggers on the internet, offering up his unsettling outlook for the coming year.
> 
> ?Those in America?s top 10% who have reaped virtually all the gains in income and wealth of the past 20 years live in a bubble that they view as unbreakable: no matter what problems arise, their personal income and wealth is secured by the government, central bank, etc,? he said.
> 
> In other words, those at the top of the wealth-power pyramid are confident any financial pain will quickly be soothed by the Federal Reserve and its willingness to keep printing money.
> 
> ?Any spot of bother in the gravy trains that fund the top 10% ? local and state government, universities, Big Tech, Big Pharma, Department of Defense, Wall Street, hedge funds, venture capital, etc. ? will be doused with trillions of dollars borrowed or printed into existence by the Treasury or Fed,? he wrote on his Of Two Minds blog. ?No matter what spot of bother arises, the solution ? more trillions ? is just a few keystrokes away.?
> 
> While that has, indeed, been mostly true for years now, Smith pointed to the folly in that thinking.
> 
> ?We cannot print wealth, or borrow it into existence,? he continued. ?All we can print/borrow is artifice, phantom representations of illusory ?wealth? that will vanish into thin air, in a reverse of how the ?money? was created ? out of thin air.? This will lead to assets of the elite getting ?crushed? without the backstop of liquidity. Stocks, he warned, ?will go bidless as phantom wealth dissipates.?
> 
> Ultimately, Smith envisions a shake-up of the status quo in which the drying up of the Fed money flow is only one factor in a larger unwind.
> 
> ?On top of this myopic belief that their success is all the result of their own endeavors rather than a tide of financialization, the top 10% are equally blind to the toxic consequences of the wealth/income inequality that has so richly benefited the few at the expense of the many,? he wrote. ?But tides do not run in one direction forever, and a revolt against the unprecedented inequality that heavily favors the top 10% is not ?impossible,? it?s a certainty.? 
> 
> Soon, he said, the bottom 90% will demand fairer distribution of wealth and a system that functions for the greater good, instead of ?parasites? and ?leeches? further lining their pockets.
> 
> ?Not only will their lifeboats prove unstable, every level of government will come after whatever is left as taxes will soar on virtually every form of income and wealth,? Smith went on to explain in his blog post. ?The comfortable are about to experience some of the discomfort that is everyday life for the bottom 60% and an increasing percentage of the next 30% who still aspire to fantasies of middle-class security.?
> 
> As it stands now, such a reckoning in the stock market will have to wait, as the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, 0.52% was up triple-digits on Wednesday in its penultimate trading session of 2020. The Nasdaq Composite COMP, -0.02% and S&P 500 SPX, 0.47% were also higher.
> 
> ??? ? WSJ MarketWatch ?
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From moboct1 at aol.com  Sat Jan  2 20:27:30 2021
From: moboct1 at aol.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 20:27:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] My nightmare scenario for Trump's Last Stand
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Towit:
As a last-ditch effort to save his skin (mayhem by Congress on Jan 6 having failed), Trump will resign the presidency (ouch!) on January 19 to allow V.P. Pence to succeed him as president in order to execute a full pardon for Trump, as per precedent established by a former president, thus eliminating the danger of a self-pardon being overturned in the courts.?
Midge
P.S. I confess this is not my original idea but one borrowed from #37, Richard M. Nixon (hope it's doesn't give Trump ideas)?
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Jan  2 23:01:50 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:01:50 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] In defense of proper priorities and against virtue
 signalling: "foul language" is less important than fighting for Medicare
 for All and fighting against war
Message-ID: <7aae4b5f-c064-20ff-529d-085801df46cb@forestfield.org>

Jimmy Dore continues to hit the important points and say how other people's 
mealy-mouthed defense of establishment values are full of shit.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) recently claimed that when Dore objects to AOC and 
other Congresspeople by telling them to "fuck off" that such talk is "violence":

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1345193022179467268
> And to be ?% honest, it was hard during this to be targeted+marred as some
> sellout-enemy of the people over a late tactical disagreement over 1 floor vote.
> 
> Also a bummer to see figures excuse comments like ?f- her and f- anyone who
> protects her.? That?s not tone,that?s violence
No, those objections are not violence. They're right and proper objections to someone 
in power (known as 'punching up') who apparently refuses to use her power to help us 
in the midst of a deadly pandemic and depression. AOC will likely give her vote to 
Nancy "Mama Bear" Pelosi in exchange for nothing. She's spineless against power. She 
is another in a long line of fake tough people: she occasionally says something 
truthful in highly-paid speeches or on Twitter.com. But what she says stands out 
sharply given her own previous endorsement of Medicare for All and her complaint that 
the Democrats are a right or center-right party (noting that "we don't have a Left 
party in the United States") and complaining that the Democrats can't "can't even get 
a floor vote for Medicare for All". Furthering the hypocrisy, AOC defended Rep. 
Rashida Tlaib's calling Pres. Trump a "motherfucker" and Dore's got the establishment 
media report describing her defense (from the Washington Post, so there's no way 
establishment-friendly people can object without also impugning the credibility of 
that establishment-friendly outlet).

AOC's above post is not convincing the public, apparently and unsurprisingly. But 
these lame arguments are the only avenues left to try to justify being a huge 
hypocrite and not challenge Pelosi by saying no vote for Pelosi unless she promises 
to bring Rep. Pramila Jayapal's Medicare for All bill to the floor for a House vote. 
You'll be able to watch for AOC's pro-Pelosi vote tomorrow (2021-01-03).

Ro Khanna (who is also likely about to vote for Pelosi) at least shows more spine 
than AOC by continuing to show up on Jimmy Dore's show and take tough questions, even 
recognizing that Congresspeople are some of the most powerful people on Earth, if 
they can't take tough questions and political challenges they should "deal with it, 
get over it". See https://youtube.com/watch?v=tZeeGMeSUuo for more.

We've even seen some defense of this 'foul language'/impropriety argument on 
peace-discuss and it falls flat here too because it reveals awful priorities, reveals 
being out of touch with how real people talk, and generally doesn't acknowledge the 
reality of the world where the US is alone in its healthcare delivery mechanism 
(other people are defending their better healthcare payment schemes, payment and 
delivery schemes they fought for decades ago).

I'm watching Jimmy Dore's live show where he interviewed Ben Spielberg (co-founder of 
"34 Justice", which I'm not familiar with) and I'm reminded of how many people are 
easily cowed into submission by the establishment -- Spielberg required some pushing 
to object to AOC's aforementioned allegation that Dore's speech was violence because 
he wanted to carve out an exception to Dore's claim that allowed him to tell others 
he wasn't in full agreement with one of the establishment's current foes.

Spielberg defended the mealy-mouthed lines of elevating bruised egos, "harsh 
language", and (near quote) "finding better ways to talk to progressives" over 
life-and-death political issues such as Medicare for All. This told me that Spielberg 
is either angling for an establishment media contract or he's so poor at recognizing 
proper priorities that I can't trust his judgment.

It's only a matter of time until today's Jimmy Dore segments are split out from the 
live feed and uploaded to YouTube.

-J

From moboct1 at aim.com  Sun Jan  3 00:58:58 2021
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 00:58:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] A neutral view(?) of the coming decades
In-Reply-To: <BB80D936-D6FA-48A9-9904-C114F224A0BE@illinois.edu>
References: <BB80D936-D6FA-48A9-9904-C114F224A0BE@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <1175270933.4974986.1609635538850@mail.yahoo.com>

The first link is enough to make post-Brexit enthusiasts regret their decision.
Midge


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From: Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: cardman at jlab.org <cardman at jlab.org>; Debevec, Paul T <debevec at illinois.edu>; Mochel, Jack M <jmochel at illinois.edu>; Nathan, Alan M <a-nathan at illinois.edu>
Cc: Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu>; Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Simmons, Ralph O <ros at illinois.edu>
Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2020 9:57 am
Subject: [Peace-discuss] A neutral view(?) of the coming decades

 Hi all,
First, a hope for a happier future and thus New Year. ?These articles by an Indian writer/diplomat is worth thinking about.
https://indianpunchline.com/china-eu-deal-is-a-reality-check-for-india/
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://indianpunchline.com/us-risks-confrontation-with-russia/__;!!DZ3fjg!vTEzhQ-BNO5aZIthTPEeK2M68IMhItCiMBNY_LeumSkzZxxmw62JsH16Ap6926liFA$?
Best,
Mort
P.S. ?Ralph, I often think about how you are doing, missing our occasional meetings in our corridors. I hope you are OK.?_______________________________________________
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From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 01:30:57 2021
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 19:30:57 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] In defense of proper priorities and against
 virtue signalling: "foul language" is less important than fighting for
 Medicare for All and fighting against war
In-Reply-To: <7aae4b5f-c064-20ff-529d-085801df46cb@forestfield.org>
References: <7aae4b5f-c064-20ff-529d-085801df46cb@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyGxzp5FEc7QNCFiG_1_k2PH7xjjYcyGrrTWVgdgRwcTTA@mail.gmail.com>

It's an interesting development that Jeffrey St. Clair of Counterpunch
despises Dore. Unfortunately consistent with CP becoming an ideologically
lousy website, exposed by Trump era derangement.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, 5:02 PM J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Jimmy Dore continues to hit the important points and say how other
> people's
> mealy-mouthed defense of establishment values are full of shit.
>
> Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) recently claimed that when Dore objects to
> AOC and
> other Congresspeople by telling them to "fuck off" that such talk is
> "violence":
>
> https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1345193022179467268
> > And to be ?% honest, it was hard during this to be targeted+marred as
> some
> > sellout-enemy of the people over a late tactical disagreement over 1
> floor vote.
> >
> > Also a bummer to see figures excuse comments like ?f- her and f- anyone
> who
> > protects her.? That?s not tone,that?s violence
> No, those objections are not violence. They're right and proper objections
> to someone
> in power (known as 'punching up') who apparently refuses to use her power
> to help us
> in the midst of a deadly pandemic and depression. AOC will likely give her
> vote to
> Nancy "Mama Bear" Pelosi in exchange for nothing. She's spineless against
> power. She
> is another in a long line of fake tough people: she occasionally says
> something
> truthful in highly-paid speeches or on Twitter.com. But what she says
> stands out
> sharply given her own previous endorsement of Medicare for All and her
> complaint that
> the Democrats are a right or center-right party (noting that "we don't
> have a Left
> party in the United States") and complaining that the Democrats can't
> "can't even get
> a floor vote for Medicare for All". Furthering the hypocrisy, AOC defended
> Rep.
> Rashida Tlaib's calling Pres. Trump a "motherfucker" and Dore's got the
> establishment
> media report describing her defense (from the Washington Post, so there's
> no way
> establishment-friendly people can object without also impugning the
> credibility of
> that establishment-friendly outlet).
>
> AOC's above post is not convincing the public, apparently and
> unsurprisingly. But
> these lame arguments are the only avenues left to try to justify being a
> huge
> hypocrite and not challenge Pelosi by saying no vote for Pelosi unless she
> promises
> to bring Rep. Pramila Jayapal's Medicare for All bill to the floor for a
> House vote.
> You'll be able to watch for AOC's pro-Pelosi vote tomorrow (2021-01-03).
>
> Ro Khanna (who is also likely about to vote for Pelosi) at least shows
> more spine
> than AOC by continuing to show up on Jimmy Dore's show and take tough
> questions, even
> recognizing that Congresspeople are some of the most powerful people on
> Earth, if
> they can't take tough questions and political challenges they should "deal
> with it,
> get over it". See https://youtube.com/watch?v=tZeeGMeSUuo for more.
>
> We've even seen some defense of this 'foul language'/impropriety argument
> on
> peace-discuss and it falls flat here too because it reveals awful
> priorities, reveals
> being out of touch with how real people talk, and generally doesn't
> acknowledge the
> reality of the world where the US is alone in its healthcare delivery
> mechanism
> (other people are defending their better healthcare payment schemes,
> payment and
> delivery schemes they fought for decades ago).
>
> I'm watching Jimmy Dore's live show where he interviewed Ben Spielberg
> (co-founder of
> "34 Justice", which I'm not familiar with) and I'm reminded of how many
> people are
> easily cowed into submission by the establishment -- Spielberg required
> some pushing
> to object to AOC's aforementioned allegation that Dore's speech was
> violence because
> he wanted to carve out an exception to Dore's claim that allowed him to
> tell others
> he wasn't in full agreement with one of the establishment's current foes.
>
> Spielberg defended the mealy-mouthed lines of elevating bruised egos,
> "harsh
> language", and (near quote) "finding better ways to talk to progressives"
> over
> life-and-death political issues such as Medicare for All. This told me
> that Spielberg
> is either angling for an establishment media contract or he's so poor at
> recognizing
> proper priorities that I can't trust his judgment.
>
> It's only a matter of time until today's Jimmy Dore segments are split out
> from the
> live feed and uploaded to YouTube.
>
> -J
> _______________________________________________
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Jan  3 02:44:34 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 20:44:34 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] In defense of proper priorities and against
 virtue signalling: "foul language" is less important than fighting for
 Medicare for All and fighting against war
In-Reply-To: <CAOiGAyGxzp5FEc7QNCFiG_1_k2PH7xjjYcyGrrTWVgdgRwcTTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aae4b5f-c064-20ff-529d-085801df46cb@forestfield.org>
 <CAOiGAyGxzp5FEc7QNCFiG_1_k2PH7xjjYcyGrrTWVgdgRwcTTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b74b2aa3-f771-df4a-a8da-64cd849dac8a@forestfield.org>

David Green wrote:
> It's an interesting development that Jeffrey St. Clair of Counterpunch
> despises Dore. Unfortunately consistent with CP becoming an ideologically
> lousy website, exposed by Trump era derangement.


That's really sad; I remember when CP was much better and Jeffrey St. Clair's 
politics were properly ordered -- not being distracted by personalities and focusing 
more on issues instead.

Is that shift funding-related? Is CP looking for funding from some outlet like the 
Ford Foundation (which funds Democracy Now and helps explain its sharp shift from 
exposing war motivations and debunking neocon lies to promoting war and repeating 
neocon lies[1]) or some other neolib/neocon-friendly source so that CP can continue?


[1] See Russiagate coverage and alleged Douma "gas attack" coverage as a couple of 
examples. These happen to be among the chief reasons Aaron Mat? cited for leaving 
Democracy Now. He would go on to win an Izzy award for his Russiagate expos?s and 
Mat? has said on Jimmy Dore's show that Dore called out the Douma scam before Mat? did.

From davidgreen50 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 04:13:06 2021
From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 22:13:06 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] In defense of proper priorities and against
 virtue signalling: "foul language" is less important than fighting for
 Medicare for All and fighting against war
In-Reply-To: <b74b2aa3-f771-df4a-a8da-64cd849dac8a@forestfield.org>
References: <7aae4b5f-c064-20ff-529d-085801df46cb@forestfield.org>
 <CAOiGAyGxzp5FEc7QNCFiG_1_k2PH7xjjYcyGrrTWVgdgRwcTTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <b74b2aa3-f771-df4a-a8da-64cd849dac8a@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <CAOiGAyFfXdyU9ky3hevQdOLAAznQm7NXnxY=eLG7Oo4exgFv9g@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think it's funding related. I think it's Portland related.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, 8:45 PM J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> David Green wrote:
> > It's an interesting development that Jeffrey St. Clair of Counterpunch
> > despises Dore. Unfortunately consistent with CP becoming an ideologically
> > lousy website, exposed by Trump era derangement.
>
>
> That's really sad; I remember when CP was much better and Jeffrey St.
> Clair's
> politics were properly ordered -- not being distracted by personalities
> and focusing
> more on issues instead.
>
> Is that shift funding-related? Is CP looking for funding from some outlet
> like the
> Ford Foundation (which funds Democracy Now and helps explain its sharp
> shift from
> exposing war motivations and debunking neocon lies to promoting war and
> repeating
> neocon lies[1]) or some other neolib/neocon-friendly source so that CP can
> continue?
>
>
> [1] See Russiagate coverage and alleged Douma "gas attack" coverage as a
> couple of
> examples. These happen to be among the chief reasons Aaron Mat? cited for
> leaving
> Democracy Now. He would go on to win an Izzy award for his Russiagate
> expos?s and
> Mat? has said on Jimmy Dore's show that Dore called out the Douma scam
> before Mat? did.
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Jan  3 07:48:40 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 01:48:40 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] In defense of proper priorities and against
 virtue signalling: "foul language" is less important than fighting for
 Medicare for All and fighting against war
In-Reply-To: <7aae4b5f-c064-20ff-529d-085801df46cb@forestfield.org>
References: <7aae4b5f-c064-20ff-529d-085801df46cb@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <96ad1e66-df37-0243-909c-0e277dca93dd@forestfield.org>

I wrote:
> It's only a matter of time until today's Jimmy Dore segments are split out from
> the live feed and uploaded to YouTube.
That was remarkably quick turnaround for The Jimmy Dore show. I'm guessing that quick 
turnaround is because AOC's next hypocrisy (voting for Nancy Pelosi) will come 
tomorrow (2020-01-04).

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LCwwN2AGynE -- (40m 11s) "AOC Makes The Case For 
#ForceTheVote" in which AOC pledged not to keep Nancy Pelosi as Speaker when talking 
to Glenn Greenwald followed by her first vote as a Congresswoman which was to vote to 
make Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House. Bonus: Jimmy Dore dancing in his chair to the 
new #ForceTheVote song.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=w7WDyWpyeKM -- (13m 39s) "AOC's False Accusations Against 
#ForceTheVote Activists." in which AOC tries to conflate "violence" with criticizing 
powerful elected officials based on our collective need, AOC's own hypocrisy, and her 
continuing weak counterarguments.

-J

From moboct1 at aol.com  Mon Jan  4 20:04:00 2021
From: moboct1 at aol.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:04:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] In defense of proper priorities and against
 virtue signalling: "foul language" is less important than fighting for
 Medicare for All and fighting against war
In-Reply-To: <96ad1e66-df37-0243-909c-0e277dca93dd@forestfield.org>
References: <7aae4b5f-c064-20ff-529d-085801df46cb@forestfield.org>
 <96ad1e66-df37-0243-909c-0e277dca93dd@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <1287859621.5375465.1609790640426@mail.yahoo.com>

Well, whaddaya expect from the leader of the "squad' who got her job by answering an ad--as another politician got his start in politics (R. M. Nixon)...
mo;b



-----Original Message-----
From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2021 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] In defense of proper priorities and against virtue signalling: "foul language" is less important than fighting for Medicare for All and fighting against war

I wrote:
> It's only a matter of time until today's Jimmy Dore segments are split out from
> the live feed and uploaded to YouTube.
That was remarkably quick turnaround for The Jimmy Dore show. I'm guessing that quick 
turnaround is because AOC's next hypocrisy (voting for Nancy Pelosi) will come 
tomorrow (2020-01-04).

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LCwwN2AGynE -- (40m 11s) "AOC Makes The Case For 
#ForceTheVote" in which AOC pledged not to keep Nancy Pelosi as Speaker when talking 
to Glenn Greenwald followed by her first vote as a Congresswoman which was to vote to 
make Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House. Bonus: Jimmy Dore dancing in his chair to the 
new #ForceTheVote song.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=w7WDyWpyeKM -- (13m 39s) "AOC's False Accusations Against 
#ForceTheVote Activists." in which AOC tries to conflate "violence" with criticizing 
powerful elected officials based on our collective need, AOC's own hypocrisy, and her 
continuing weak counterarguments.

-J
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From moboct1 at aol.com  Mon Jan  4 21:56:53 2021
From: moboct1 at aol.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:56:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] British judge right not to extradite
 Assange...for the wrong reason...
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Well not necessarily wrong reason but, as establishment Brits typically equivocate to avoid facing complicity with the wrong reasons, Assange's right as a journalist was not exonerated by the judge's ruling.? Not that?prison in the U.K. is any better but at least, temporarily, he's not facing a firing squad in the U.S., home of the brave and land of the First Amendment--when you have the right friends and color of money.???? ?mo'b
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From: David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] In defen,? se of proper priorities and against virtue signalling: "foul language" is less important than fighting for Medicare for All and fighting against war

I don't think it's funding related. I think it's Portland related.
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, 8:45 PM J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

David Green wrote:
> It's an interesting development that Jeffrey St. Clair of Counterpunch
> despises Dore. Unfortunately consistent with CP becoming an ideologically
> lousy website, exposed by Trump era derangement.


That's really sad; I remember when CP was much better and Jeffrey St. Clair's 
politics were properly ordered -- not being distracted by personalities and focusing 
more on issues instead.

Is that shift funding-related? Is CP looking for funding from some outlet like the 
Ford Foundation (which funds Democracy Now and helps explain its sharp shift from 
exposing war motivations and debunking neocon lies to promoting war and repeating 
neocon lies[1]) or some other neolib/neocon-friendly source so that CP can continue?


[1] See Russiagate coverage and alleged Douma "gas attack" coverage as a couple of 
examples. These happen to be among the chief reasons Aaron Mat? cited for leaving 
Democracy Now. He would go on to win an Izzy award for his Russiagate expos?s and 
Mat? has said on Jimmy Dore's show that Dore called out the Douma scam before Mat? did.
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Mon Jan  4 22:09:14 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:09:14 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] #ForceTheVote voting: "The Squad" shows who they
 really are -- against Medicare for All (no matter what they say in
 speeches)
Message-ID: <d65b1906-1987-ff74-aee9-e5de7603ad54@forestfield.org>

According to Jimmy Dore in https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1345830710628683776 
(which was later unpublished)
>  . at AOC WITHHOLDS HER VOTE!! PRESSURE WORKS!!!! 
> 
> Thank you @AOC!
> 
> NOW MAKE SURE YOU DEMAND MEDICARE FOR ALL FOR YOUR  VOTE!!
> YAAAAAAAY!!! 
> 
> #ForceTheVote


In case any of you saw that post, it's incorrect -- AOC voted to re-elect Pelosi as 
Speaker. She, like so many self-styled progressive Democrats, voted to install a 
bulwark against ever bringing Jayapal's bill to the floor for a vote. This speaks 
more loudly than any speech she has or will ever give (no matter how many so-called 
analysts are fooled into believing a Congressperson's speech matters as much or more 
than a Congressperson's vote). As a reminder, objecting to Medicare for All is not 
new: The Democrats didn't bring HR676 (John Conyers' Medicare for All bill) to the 
floor of the House for a vote when the Democrats had control over both houses of 
Congress during the Obama/Biden administration. Democrats are apparently effective 
opponents of Medicare for All.

Dore got it right in https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1345843712102813696
> SHAME on the house progressives for NOT fighting for #ForceTheVote & #Med4all 
> 
> What is the point of voting for progressives inside the Dem party again? 
> 
> They won?t fight, they are selling you out & ABANDONING YOU. 
> 
> SHAME.
> 
> We are a FAILED STATE as is the progressive movement


Jayapal's vote is noteworthy because it is comparable to Sen. Sanders' take on 
Medicare for All: both Jayapal and Sanders have endorsed the concept of Medicare for 
All in the abstract, and both have written bills to ostensibly implement Medicare for 
All. Then both made moves that worked directly in opposition to making Medicare for 
All a reality: Jayapal's vote to keep Pelosi as House Speaker, and Sanders' 
campaign-ending messages to his 2020 POTUS supporters: "Let me be clear: I am not 
proposing that we pass Medicare for All in this moment. That fight continues into the 
future." without saying when "the future" is, and "This is not Medicare for All, we 
can?t pass that right now." in his campaign ending video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uQV83U5Dk. This is no different than the current 
#ForceTheVote objectors who insist that fighting at a different (and usually 
unspecified time) -- "not now" -- is the correct way to (somehow) get Medicare for 
All in the midst of a deadly pandemic. The HMOs probably understand that they need a 
carrot of a bill or two as unobtainable goals so that the US can be plausibly strung 
along with the status quo for another term.

So it's time for the public to follow through by getting rid of any Congressperson 
that doesn't vote in the way we need to send a message that this choice deserves 
punishment. After all, re-electing progressive imposters sends a clear message that 
they can ignore public opinion again. Most of the American public (around 70%[1] 
holding steady from 2018 through 2020) is on the side of Medicare for All. I presume 
that support will only grow as more Americans are impoverished due to losing their 
job (with that their income and likely the ability to pay for medical care paid for 
by their job-supplied insurance), their homes, and yet always needing medical care.


[1] 
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/494602-poll-69-percent-of-voters-support-medicare-for-all 
and 
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/most-americans-now-support-medicare-for-all-and-free-college-tuition.html 
are recent articles discussing surveys on this topic.

From jbn at forestfield.org  Thu Jan  7 00:09:46 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 18:09:46 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jimmy Dore show live tonight
Message-ID: <f4b5f61e-5da7-f774-0787-fb6767c9cb4e@forestfield.org>

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tf8IKC87Wec is live now.

 From https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1346967838397878274
> Protesters Breach The Capitol!
> Guest: Kevin Gosztola, investigative journalist on Julian Assange Extradition Trial!
> Fun with Stef Zamorano & Mike MacRae!

I'll add: I don't know what Jimmy Dore will say but Jimmy Dore's show is one of the 
few places you have been able to hear sensible talk about Julian Assange and 
WikiLeaks. RT is another and they've been covering the protests outside the Old 
Bailey and various speakers.

-J

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Jan 10 19:28:55 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:28:55 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] George Galloway & Anya Parampil putting the Capitol
 march, break-in into context
Message-ID: <1e74939e-aeb3-1f19-50b6-9122c6551533@forestfield.org>

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZKJUie1fJQc -- live feed of show

- establishment media showing where they stand with comments like those from Martha 
Raddatz saying they're not in Bogota and other places where they expect to see such 
acts, acts that are fomented by the US against others.

- That was Trump sending a message to establishment that he'll remain a force to be 
reckoned with after the 20th when Biden takes the presidency.

- What about the complicity of the police on the scene who were shown taking selfies 
with others, allowing people into the capitol. "Police were collaborating with 
pro-Trump [protestors]", Parampil said.

-J

From jbn at forestfield.org  Mon Jan 11 00:28:53 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:28:53 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] What will the People's Party offer?
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I wrote:
> Does anyone have any specific and sourced information on what Brana's effort is 
> promoting?

In summary: I have something of an answer here, the most I think anyone could have on 
this until they run candidates. Not much has changed since my earlier post but things 
might be reasonably read as slightly worse for not doing a better job clarifying the 
details.



Here's the detailed version:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mvveu4jxJAk is Nick Brana's latest interview with 
Jimmy Dore.

Prior to the above clip of Jimmy Dore's live show, 2020 Democratic Party presidential 
candidate Marianne Williamson said she was "politically homeless". She made this 
comment to Jimmy Dore just after the self-styled progressives of "the squad" 
unanimously failed to withhold their vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. 
They all voted for Pelosi and as a result Pelosi will end up retiring as Speaker, the 
person who decides which bills come to the floor of the House. Pelosi is a firm 
opponent of Medicare for All. Therefore Pelosi will prevent Rep. Jayapal's Medicare 
for All bill from coming to the floor for a vote. But that's presumably okay with 
Jayapal because Jayapal voted for Pelosi too (per 
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2021/1/3/167/house-section/article/h2-5). 
So I figure that this is how Jayapal announced that she's abandoning her own bill.

Nick Brana & Jimmy Dore have a different plan than working with Democrats and hoping 
for the Democrats to use strategic opportunities to get us what we need (such as 
Medicare for All), Brana has started a new political party called "The People's Party".

In the above interview Brana & Dore admit:

- that trying to steer the Democratic Party from within is a "failed experiment" (Dore).

- "it's our fault if we don't get onboard" (Brana) with joining a progressive party 
to push for progressive change.

The People's Party will:

- not take corporate money,
- run representatives for Congress in 2022,
- run someone for president in 2024,
- have "national ballot access across the country, all 50 states, and our 
representatives, you know what? You're never going to wonder whether they support 
Medicare for All and they're going to fight for it, because you're going to know that 
because they don't answer to Nancy Pelosi, they're not trying to get committee seats, 
they're not trying to horse trade with neoliberal Democrats, they're not afraid that 
the DCCC is going to come and primary them. That's not gonna happen. So you're gonna 
know where they stand when we elect them. That's what we plan on doing." (Brana)




As I see it:

- not taking corporate money is meaningless.

As Jimmy Dore has rightly pointed out, we already see Democrats who ran and won on 
not taking corporate money (I believe Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, AOC, is one such 
former candidate who got elected and recently re-elected). But AOC obeys the 
instructions of those who do take corporate money (like Nancy Pelosi who takes money 
from HMOs, for example). Therefore there is no need to distinguish between an AOC who 
does or who does not take corporate money. Pelosi knows that she can stay in power by 
sharing some of her corporate largesse with obedient Congresspeople. So not only is 
it meaningless to not directly take corporate money, we don't know what's to prevent 
the People's Party from having someone else do what Pelosi does in the Democratic Party.



- running in 2022 and 2024 is the next time we can more fully evaluate the People's 
Party's politics.

I don't blame the People's Party for this; every party has to start somewhere and 
they can only run candidates when the elections are going. But it stands to reason 
that closer to 2022 is the earliest we'll be able to evaluate whether the People's 
Party is worthwhile.



- not reporting to Nancy Pelosi is meaningless.

Any other party can do the same thing Pelosi has done/is doing for the Democrats -- 
take whatever money they have and redistribute some of it to other candidates 
effectively buying their loyalty to the agenda they support.



- Regarding Dore's claim that things would be different if these so-called "justice 
Democrats" weren't in the Democratic Party.

Dore said self-styled 'progressives' "have zero strategy": "imagine if they weren't 
in the Democratic Party. They would work together to get their agenda instituted 
instead of not working together, having zero strategy, and rolling over for the 
corporatists, which is [the] exact opposite of what they said they would do".

Perhaps they did exactly what Dore said, but for a strategy that works against our 
interests. Perhaps rolling over for the corporatists was their strategy and they 
worked together to achieve that end. The question for us wondering what to make of 
the People's Party is what would prevent the People's Party from doing the same thing?



- they don't address what this means for Democratic Party-affiliated people who are 
close to Jimmy Dore's show including:

Nina Turner -- who is now running as a Democrat, accepting donations via her 
actblue.com donation processing website, and posting vaguely about "unity against 
neo-fascism, white supremacy, poverty, and militarism" (paraphrased from 
https://twitter.net/ninaturner/status/1348377325885411337). Her campaign seems like 
any other "squad" member's campaign to me. She's got a tough job ahead of her but I 
will be surprised if she actually challenges the Democrats in any meaningful way (not 
rhetoric).

Former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard -- whose headshot appeared on the People's Party banner for 
a while (I see this solely as the People's Party wish to get Gabbard to affiliate 
with them, not any sign of affiliation coming from Gabbard who has clearly spoken 
against third-party politics to both Primo Nutmeg and CBS). Her pro-drone militarism 
and her joining the coordinated push to make Biden the 'nominee' for the DNC 
corporation told me what I needed to know about her Congressional representation.

Marianne Williamson -- whose Democratic Party affiliation I already mentioned.



- Dore pointed out that Kyle Kulinski is a founder of the "Justice Democrats", all of 
whom voted for Pelosi as Speaker even when Kulinski supported #ForceTheVote.

I figured that (for all we know) Kulinski has no real power among that group and he 
coordinated with these Democrats to field the #ForceTheVote PR supportively thus 
shielding the Justice Democrats who support HMOs instead. This foreshadows a 
comparable lack of power for Nick Brana, founder of the People's Party should 
representatives from that party come to power and thus face a challenge between 
pleasing the wealthy versus standing up for the progressive values they ran on.



The Jimmy Dore show has raised good points backed with examples on plenty of other 
shows, but Dore doesn't seem to think ahead to how his own points bite him and Brana 
in the ass with the People's Party effort. Dore also seems shy about explicitly 
applying his own critiques to friends of the show. What would be a clear win for 
Dore: bring up these critiques, naming the names of the Democratic Party 
sympathizers/collaborators, and begin addressing them consistently (drumbeat 
coverage) with the anti-Democratic Party criticism he already raises on virtually 
every show.

Therefore this is where I diverge from Jimmy Dore's politics -- I understand that 
it's not in Dore's interest to always explicitly connect dots on his show; that makes 
it harder to get powerful guests. But as Dore has acknowledged, people running for 
office as progressives use his show as a stepping stone to more power in Congress 
(AOC did this, for example). They end up handing Dore footage which he later uses to 
embarrass them by pointing out their hypocrisy. The corollary of this is don't 
believe the next person who seeks Congressional power with or under the Democratic 
Party because "you don't change the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party changes 
you" and "there ain't no fight inside the Democratic Party" (Dore).

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Mon Jan 11 23:01:14 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:01:14 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Execution
Message-ID: <BFDC6FAC-AA89-4F8E-9719-B3F247D74E85@newsfromneptune.com>

I just signed the petition "TELL PRESIDENT TRUMP TO STOP THE EXECUTION OF LISA MONTGOMERY" and wanted to ask if you could add your name too.

This campaign means a lot to me and the more support we can get behind it, the better chance we have of succeeding. You can read more and sign the petition here:

https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/tell-president-trump-to-stop-the-execution-of-lisa-montgomery

Thank you!



From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Jan 12 06:49:05 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 06:49:05 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Stop the execution
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB19236E64E125FCD4FE1C0EC98CAA0@BN6PR11MB1923.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Friends,

I just signed the campaign: TELL PRESIDENT TRUMP TO STOP THE EXECUTION OF LISA MONTGOMERY

It would mean the world to me if you could also add your name to this important issue. Every name that is added builds momentum around the campaign and makes it more likely for us to get the change we want to see.

Will you join me by taking action on this campaign?

https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/tell-president-trump-to-stop-the-execution-of-lisa-montgomery?share=c1f453ff-3547-406a-994b-3f7260a41f43&source=s.fwd&utm_source=s.fwd

After you've signed the petition please also take a moment to share it with others. It's super easy ? all you need to do is forward this email.

Thank you!

Ron

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Jan 12 06:49:05 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 06:49:05 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Stop the execution
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB19236E64E125FCD4FE1C0EC98CAA0@BN6PR11MB1923.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Friends,

I just signed the campaign: TELL PRESIDENT TRUMP TO STOP THE EXECUTION OF LISA MONTGOMERY

It would mean the world to me if you could also add your name to this important issue. Every name that is added builds momentum around the campaign and makes it more likely for us to get the change we want to see.

Will you join me by taking action on this campaign?

https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/tell-president-trump-to-stop-the-execution-of-lisa-montgomery?share=c1f453ff-3547-406a-994b-3f7260a41f43&source=s.fwd&utm_source=s.fwd

After you've signed the petition please also take a moment to share it with others. It's super easy ? all you need to do is forward this email.

Thank you!

Ron

From brussel at illinois.edu  Tue Jan 12 22:44:57 2021
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 22:44:57 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Walden Bello analysis of current events in the U.S.
Message-ID: <CEE8A09D-9A19-44F5-A677-FBB9F8FF5B9A@illinois.edu>

A brilliant synthesis. Does it apply? 

https://publish.dvlabs.com/democracynow/360/dn2021-0112.mp4?start=1057.0&end=2682.0

An interview on DemocracyNow!

?mkb

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Jan 13 01:18:13 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:18:13 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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References: <BFDC6FAC-AA89-4F8E-9719-B3F247D74E85@newsfromneptune.com>
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https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row



From jbw292002 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 06:39:42 2021
From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 00:39:42 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
In-Reply-To: <8306BDA5-5668-452C-889B-87A56EEF9216@newsfromneptune.com>
References: <BFDC6FAC-AA89-4F8E-9719-B3F247D74E85@newsfromneptune.com>
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Yay!!   We won!!  We did it!!!  By the time her competency hearing is
finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once
again!


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

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From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 11:15:28 2021
From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 05:15:28 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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Sadly, tragically, no.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
wrote:

>
> Yay!!   We won!!  We did it!!!  By the time her competency hearing is
> finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once
> again!
>
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> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>
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From moboct1 at aim.com  Wed Jan 13 14:56:02 2021
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:56:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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Unfortunately, the soon to be late-not so great POTUS, with only 8 days left to fulfill his nefarious legacy, moved fast to put his "Supremes" to work before the midnight hour to snuff out the life--and maybe lives--of condemned prisoners, whether actually innocent or by mental state and the contrite or not; assuming omniscience only of God, who he may even arrogantly presume he is. RIP??
President Biden should act with haste to expand the Supreme Court with non-Federalists, even non-attorneys.? ?
Midge


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Yay!!? ?We won!!? We did it!!!? By the time her competency?hearing is finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once again!

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:


https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row


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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:21:49 2021
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:21:49 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as well within the next couple days. 

I?m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed. Though the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and placed the death penalty on the table for a recent case. 
Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the monster killer, life instead. 

As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc. within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated within the nation, we need some uniformity. 

Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades.


> On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sadly, tragically, no.
> 
> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/ <https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
> 
> Yay!!   We won!!  We did it!!!  By the time her competency hearing is finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once again!
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
> 
> https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row <https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row>
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From jbw292002 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 20:28:45 2021
From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:28:45 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as well
> within the next couple days.
>
> I?m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed. Though
> the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and placed the
> death penalty on the table for a recent case.
> Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the
> monster killer, life instead.
>
> As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in
> respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc.
> within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated
> within the nation, we need some uniformity.
>
> Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of
> which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve
> progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades.
>

Well, it's interesting.  For every point of view, there's a countervailing
point of view.

As one who studied law formally, I absolutely hated the complexity of 50
different sets of state laws, overlaid and often contradicted by the
federal law.  It's a mess, and makes everything infinitely more
complicated, more labrynthine, ultimately more incomprehensible.

The idea originally was that the autonomy of the states would keep the
federal government from growing too all-powerful.  We've seen how the
states' autonomy has eroded over the years, both for good and ill.  (The
Civil Rights Movement wouldn't have been possible without
federal intervention.)  Sadly, the only people who are upset about it are
those still fighting on the losing side of the Civil War.

I honestly would have liked to see the South secede and become a separate
country, albeit without slavery.  The North would have done just fine
without them.  But that's a separate conversation.

John



>
>
> On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sadly, tragically, no.
>
>
> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yay!!   We won!!  We did it!!!  By the time her competency hearing is
>> finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once
>> again!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row
>>>
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From moboct1 at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 21:44:53 2021
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 21:44:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Breaking News: (you heard it here first!--maybe)
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News just arrived that the House just impeached DJT!? --for what it's worth...
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Thu Jan 14 04:10:30 2021
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 22:10:30 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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John?

Wouldn?t it have been better if the slaveowners had lost their ?War of Independence? (1775-83)?

Slavery would have been abolished in the British North American colonies as it was throughout the British empire.

?CGE


> On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:28 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as well within the next couple days. 
> 
> I?m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed. Though the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and placed the death penalty on the table for a recent case. 
> Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the monster killer, life instead. 
> 
> As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc. within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated within the nation, we need some uniformity. 
> 
> Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades.
> 
> Well, it's interesting.  For every point of view, there's a countervailing point of view.
> 
> As one who studied law formally, I absolutely hated the complexity of 50 different sets of state laws, overlaid and often contradicted by the federal law.  It's a mess, and makes everything infinitely more complicated, more labrynthine, ultimately more incomprehensible.  
> 
> The idea originally was that the autonomy of the states would keep the federal government from growing too all-powerful.  We've seen how the states' autonomy has eroded over the years, both for good and ill.  (The Civil Rights Movement wouldn't have been possible without federal intervention.)  Sadly, the only people who are upset about it are those still fighting on the losing side of the Civil War.
> 
> I honestly would have liked to see the South secede and become a separate country, albeit without slavery.  The North would have done just fine without them.  But that's a separate conversation.
> 
> John
> 
>  
> 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sadly, tragically, no.
>> 
>> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yay!!   We won!!  We did it!!!  By the time her competency hearing is finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once again!
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row
>> 
>> 
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From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 04:21:06 2021
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 22:21:06 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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Re > Letting the south secede.Actually the northern states like Illinois were officially slave-free in name only. Indentured servants were legally held -- slaves that had no way of knowing their rights and no way to fight for their rights- Karen Medina"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain
-------- Original message --------From: "John W. via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Date: 1/13/21  14:28  (GMT-06:00) To: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>, Peace <peace at anti-war.net>, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as well within the next couple days.?I?m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed. Though the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and placed the death penalty on the table for a recent case.?Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the monster killer, life instead.?As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc. within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated within the nation, we need some uniformity.?Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades.Well, it's interesting.? For every point of view, there's a countervailing point of view.As one who studied law formally, I absolutely hated the complexity of 50 different sets of state laws, overlaid and often contradicted by the federal law.? It's a mess, and makes everything infinitely more complicated, more labrynthine, ultimately more incomprehensible.??The idea originally was that the autonomy of the states would keep the federal government from growing too all-powerful.? We've seen how the states' autonomy has eroded over the years,?both for good and ill.? (The Civil Rights Movement wouldn't have been possible without federal?intervention.)? Sadly, the only people who are upset about it are those still fighting on the losing side of the Civil War.I honestly would have liked to see the South secede and become a separate country, albeit without slavery.? The North would have done just fine without them.? But that's a separate conversation.John?On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com> wrote:Sadly, tragically, no.https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:Yay!!? ?We won!!? We did it!!!? By the time her competency?hearing is finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once again!On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row


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From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 03:51:45 -0600
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:01 PM C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
wrote:

John?
>
> Wouldn?t it have been better if the slaveowners had lost their ?War of
> Independence? (1775-83)?
>
> Slavery would have been abolished in the British North American colonies
> as it was throughout the British empire.
>
> ?CGE
>

Eventually.  Slavery wasn't abolished in Britain and her empire until 1833.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Abolition-Of-Slavery/
<https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Abolition-Of-Slavery/>



> On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:28 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as
> well within the next couple days.
> >
> > I?m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed.
> Though the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and
> placed the death penalty on the table for a recent case.
> > Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the
> monster killer, life instead.
> >
> > As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in
> respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc.
> within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated
> within the nation, we need some uniformity.
> >
> > Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of
> which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve
> progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades.
> >
> > Well, it's interesting.  For every point of view, there's a
> countervailing point of view.
> >
> > As one who studied law formally, I absolutely hated the complexity of 50
> different sets of state laws, overlaid and often contradicted by the
> federal law.  It's a mess, and makes everything infinitely more
> complicated, more labrynthine, ultimately more incomprehensible.
> >
> > The idea originally was that the autonomy of the states would keep the
> federal government from growing too all-powerful.  We've seen how the
> states' autonomy has eroded over the years, both for good and ill.  (The
> Civil Rights Movement wouldn't have been possible without federal
> intervention.)  Sadly, the only people who are upset about it are those
> still fighting on the losing side of the Civil War.
> >
> > I honestly would have liked to see the South secede and become a
> separate country, albeit without slavery.  The North would have done just
> fine without them.  But that's a separate conversation.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sadly, tragically, no.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yay!!   We won!!  We did it!!!  By the time her competency hearing is
> finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once
> again!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row
> >>
> >>
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:10:19 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 08:10:19 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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John

Your point of view was not counter to mine.

In spite of the Federal government placing the death penalty back on the table in a recent legal case in Illinois I referred to, I was criticizing the lack of uniformity in state laws, as Margaret Kimberly opposes the lack of uniformity in electoral rules and regulations. 

So often cries for greater autonomy and decentralization for local communities ignore the fact that abuse due to decentralization occurs and goes unnoticed in the US, as well as other nations.  Especially large nations where  the local authorities are often guilty of abusive behavior, not following the rule of law. The central governments being brought in to curb the abuse only when the victims are able to make their complaints known.

?Sundowner towns? in Illinois not so long ago, was clearly a case of local community abuse of power. 

Perhaps focus on national issues should be paramount rather than the usual local which is the trend, and often leaves us with a myopic view of society. Maybe this is why we are where we are today with people ignoring the fact that the US, as a nation is the most violent in the world having destroyed as many as eight nations in less than twenty years, with our taxes going to support the military in preference to the people with adequate infrastructure, healthcare, and housing, as we remain comfortable in our communities. Only now, is reality hitting us full force.
> 
Your example of the Federal government having to be brought in to enforce  civil rights in the south is a good one I have also used for years when hearing people complain about the Feds, but the potential for violence when the Feds send in the military is a frightening ordeal we?re faced with now, I believe due to a lack of focus on national issues. 




> On Jan 14, 2021, at 03:51, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:01 PM C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>> wrote:
> 
> John?
> 
> Wouldn?t it have been better if the slaveowners had lost their ?War of Independence? (1775-83)?
> 
> Slavery would have been abolished in the British North American colonies as it was throughout the British empire.
> 
> ?CGE
> 
> Eventually.  Slavery wasn't abolished in Britain and her empire until 1833.
> 
> https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Abolition-Of-Slavery/? <https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Abolition-Of-Slavery/>
> 
>  
> 
> > On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:28 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com <mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as well within the next couple days. 
> > 
> > I?m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed. Though the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and placed the death penalty on the table for a recent case. 
> > Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the monster killer, life instead. 
> > 
> > As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc. within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated within the nation, we need some uniformity. 
> > 
> > Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades.
> > 
> > Well, it's interesting.  For every point of view, there's a countervailing point of view.
> > 
> > As one who studied law formally, I absolutely hated the complexity of 50 different sets of state laws, overlaid and often contradicted by the federal law.  It's a mess, and makes everything infinitely more complicated, more labrynthine, ultimately more incomprehensible.  
> > 
> > The idea originally was that the autonomy of the states would keep the federal government from growing too all-powerful.  We've seen how the states' autonomy has eroded over the years, both for good and ill.  (The Civil Rights Movement wouldn't have been possible without federal intervention.)  Sadly, the only people who are upset about it are those still fighting on the losing side of the Civil War.
> > 
> > I honestly would have liked to see the South secede and become a separate country, albeit without slavery.  The North would have done just fine without them.  But that's a separate conversation.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com <mailto:deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Sadly, tragically, no.
> >> 
> >> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/ <https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/>
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Yay!!   We won!!  We did it!!!  By the time her competency hearing is finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once again!
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row <https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row>
> >> 
> >> 
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Thu Jan 14 19:38:34 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 13:38:34 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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Horne, Gerald. "The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the United States of America" (New York University Press, 2014)


> On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:51 AM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:01 PM C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
> 
> John?
> 
> Wouldn?t it have been better if the slaveowners had lost their ?War of Independence? (1775-83)?
> 
> Slavery would have been abolished in the British North American colonies as it was throughout the British empire.
> 
> ?CGE
> 
> Eventually.  Slavery wasn't abolished in Britain and her empire until 1833.
> 
> https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Abolition-Of-Slavery/ 
> 
>  
> 
> > On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:28 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as well within the next couple days. 
> > 
> > I?m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed. Though the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and placed the death penalty on the table for a recent case. 
> > Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the monster killer, life instead. 
> > 
> > As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc. within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated within the nation, we need some uniformity. 
> > 
> > Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades.
> > 
> > Well, it's interesting.  For every point of view, there's a countervailing point of view.
> > 
> > As one who studied law formally, I absolutely hated the complexity of 50 different sets of state laws, overlaid and often contradicted by the federal law.  It's a mess, and makes everything infinitely more complicated, more labrynthine, ultimately more incomprehensible.  
> > 
> > The idea originally was that the autonomy of the states would keep the federal government from growing too all-powerful.  We've seen how the states' autonomy has eroded over the years, both for good and ill.  (The Civil Rights Movement wouldn't have been possible without federal intervention.)  Sadly, the only people who are upset about it are those still fighting on the losing side of the Civil War.
> > 
> > I honestly would have liked to see the South secede and become a separate country, albeit without slavery.  The North would have done just fine without them.  But that's a separate conversation.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Sadly, tragically, no.
> >> 
> >> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Yay!!   We won!!  We did it!!!  By the time her competency hearing is finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once again!
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Peace mailing list
> >> Peace at lists.chambana.net
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From moboct1 at aim.com  Sat Jan 16 23:57:48 2021
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 23:57:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions
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The January 14-15 Nation magazine article by death-row inmate Billie Allen "A Plea for Life" is an impassioned plea for life on death row, too late now for Chris Vivalva and Dustin Higgs suffering from Covid19, both since executed; Higgs early this morning (the macabre midnight toll of DJT's vengeance rings at midnight). Like Allen, Higgs maintained innocence and were appealing their convictions, too late for Higgs and others like Chris and Lisa?Montgomery?and Brandon Bernard,?who did not qualify for mercy in the waning days of Trump's last act playing God.? Billie Allen's plea: 'We need you to raise your voices against the death penalty before we lose another Chris [now too late for him and Dustin]. Before they come for me."
Sadly, God's self-appointed surrogates are not listening.? ?But perhaps, like Lazarus, they will find?mercy. It took another convict, our ex-governor, George Ryan, to execute justice by banning the death penalty in Illinois.
MidgeI ?



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From: C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>; Peace <peace at anti-war.net>; Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2021 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Executions

John?

Wouldn?t it have been better if the slaveowners had lost their ?War of Independence? (1775-83)? 

Slavery would have been abolished in the British North American colonies as it was throughout the British empire. 

?CGE


> On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:28 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tragically, the two men also on death row will likely be executed as well within the next couple days. 
> 
> I?m glad to live in a state where such barbarism has been outlawed. Though the Federal gov., under the Trump administration over ruled and placed the death penalty on the table for a recent case. 
> Thankfully, the good people of Illinois chose to ignore it, and gave the monster killer, life instead. 
> 
> As Margaret Kimberly of the Black Agenda report pointed out recently in respect to US electoral laws, we have so many laws, procedures, rules etc. within each state differing from one another, that keeps us separated within the nation, we need some uniformity. 
> 
> Not her exact words, but its obvious that these differing state laws of which the death penalty is one, make it extremely difficult to achieve progress when the battles must be continually fought and won over decades. 
> 
> Well, it's interesting. For every point of view, there's a countervailing point of view. 
> 
> As one who studied law formally, I absolutely hated the complexity of 50 different sets of state laws, overlaid and often contradicted by the federal law. It's a mess, and makes everything infinitely more complicated, more labrynthine, ultimately more incomprehensible. 
> 
> The idea originally was that the autonomy of the states would keep the federal government from growing too all-powerful. We've seen how the states' autonomy has eroded over the years, both for good and ill. (The Civil Rights Movement wouldn't have been possible without federal intervention.) Sadly, the only people who are upset about it are those still fighting on the losing side of the Civil War.
> 
> I honestly would have liked to see the South secede and become a separate country, albeit without slavery. The North would have done just fine without them. But that's a separate conversation. 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 05:15, Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sadly, tragically, no.
>> 
>> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/12/lisa-montgomery-execution-once-again-set-take-place/6635726002/
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:40 AM John W. via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yay!! We won!! We did it!!! By the time her competency hearing is finished, Joe Biden will have hopefully suspended federal executions once again! 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 7:19 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/955984890/judge-blocks-execution-of-only-woman-on-federal-death-row
>> 
>> 
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Jan 17 03:51:37 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 21:51:37 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AOTA, NFN,
 Labor's World View TV
Message-ID: <3f23e0cf-7336-8db2-ac62-8c0c535122bc@forestfield.org>

Here are some suggested videos for upcoming timeslots which I just sent to UPTV's 
Jason Liggett. As per usual, I offered these videos with the recommendation to let 
other AWARE members have priority over my recommendations and for David Johnson to 
have priority over my recommendations for Labor's World View TV.

-J



Grayzone

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ArZ4q1CqTWw -- (34m 48s) Aaron Mat? interviews Alena 
Douhan, UN Special Rapporteur on sanctions who is calling for an end to the sanctions 
on Syria saying those sanctions are illegal and hurting civilians

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0YeoTfUwAwo -- (27m 20s) "U.S. blocks humanitarian aid to 
Yemen as millions starve" Anya Parampil interviews Rune Agerhus, the co-founder and 
General Director of the Yemen Solidarity Council


Democracy at Work

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0EC1KMfUECw -- (1h 20m 33s) "Global Capitalism: US 
Capitalism?s Decline and Desperate Efforts to Save It [January 2021]" with Prof. 
Richard Wolff

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ld0YbG5WBNs -- (29m 15s) "Economic Update: Externalities 
& Capitalism's Inefficiencies" with Prof. Richard Wolff

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0U_POPb3lRM -- (10m 19s) "AskProfWolff: Uber, Lyft: 
Profits Vs. Labor Law Protections" regarding California's proposition 22 which 
exempts Uber and Lyft from classifying drivers as employees. Uber & Lyft spent up to 
$200M to obtain this exemption. See https://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/propositions/22/ 
for more on this proposition which, now having passed in California, is likely to 
show up "everywhere else [both] in and out of the United States" according to Prof. 
Wolff.


RT

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wt9fSHBKhbM -- (26m 10s) Chris Hedges interviews Glenn 
Greenwald about the upcoming Biden administration, "Redux Deep State, Empire & 
Censorship"

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sun Jan 17 18:39:18 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 18:39:18 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Pardon Me?  $$$
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Prospect of Pardons in Final Days Fuels Market to Buy Access to Trump

The president?s allies have collected tens of thousands of dollars ? and potentially much more ? from people seeking pardons.
By Michael S. Schmidt and Kenneth P. Vogel
		NYT  Jan. 17, 2021,  Updated 11:50 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON ? As President Trump prepares to leave office in days, a lucrative market for pardons is coming to a head, with some of his allies collecting fees from wealthy felons or their associates to push the White House for clemency, according to documents and interviews with more than three dozen lobbyists and lawyers.
  The brisk market for pardons reflects the access peddling that has defined Mr. Trump?s presidency as well as his unorthodox approach to exercising unchecked presidential clemency powers. Pardons and commutations are intended to show mercy to deserving recipients, but Mr. Trump has used many of them to reward personal or political allies.

< continues> 

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sun Jan 17 18:39:18 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 18:39:18 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Pardon Me?  $$$
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Prospect of Pardons in Final Days Fuels Market to Buy Access to Trump

The president?s allies have collected tens of thousands of dollars ? and potentially much more ? from people seeking pardons.
By Michael S. Schmidt and Kenneth P. Vogel
		NYT  Jan. 17, 2021,  Updated 11:50 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON ? As President Trump prepares to leave office in days, a lucrative market for pardons is coming to a head, with some of his allies collecting fees from wealthy felons or their associates to push the White House for clemency, according to documents and interviews with more than three dozen lobbyists and lawyers.
  The brisk market for pardons reflects the access peddling that has defined Mr. Trump?s presidency as well as his unorthodox approach to exercising unchecked presidential clemency powers. Pardons and commutations are intended to show mercy to deserving recipients, but Mr. Trump has used many of them to reward personal or political allies.

< continues> 

From jbn at forestfield.org  Mon Jan 18 18:31:59 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:31:59 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AOTA, NFN,
 Labor's World View TV
In-Reply-To: <3f23e0cf-7336-8db2-ac62-8c0c535122bc@forestfield.org>
References: <3f23e0cf-7336-8db2-ac62-8c0c535122bc@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <43fc6a6e-2f2c-bbc4-a404-30190e2b928b@forestfield.org>

I wrote:
> RT
> 
> https://youtube.com/watch?v=wt9fSHBKhbM -- (26m 10s) Chris Hedges interviews Glenn 
> Greenwald about the upcoming Biden administration, "Redux Deep State, Empire & 
> Censorship"

https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/512689-biden-deep-state-censorship/ is the 
transcript of this episode of Hedges' show.

From moboct1 at aim.com  Tue Jan 19 03:22:06 2021
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 03:22:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd:  Pardon Me?  $$$
In-Reply-To: <1444365460.3069975.1611006150085@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BN6PR11MB1923FF063BD995ABB3B6699B8CA50@BN6PR11MB1923.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
 <1444365460.3069975.1611006150085@mail.yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Pardon Me? $$$

Of course!? POTUS 45 will be busy practicing the?"Art of the DEAL" these last hours while he can on his final road of political success, just like his predecessors cashed in.? All that hard work on the campaign trail should be worth something!? No prisoner without friends with Big Bucks would be on Trump's radar, especially innocent? incarcerated?on principle, such as Julian Assange, Leonard Peltier or the Kings Bay Seven.??A powerless Trump without friends such as Sheldon Adelson might have financial difficulty paying his bills.? Heck, he might even have to buy for his own pardon),,,
mo'b

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Prospect of Pardons in Final Days Fuels Market to Buy Access to Trump

The president?s allies have collected tens of thousands of dollars ? and potentially much more ? from people seeking pardons.
By Michael S. Schmidt and Kenneth P. Vogel
??? ??? NYT? Jan. 17, 2021,? Updated 11:50 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON ? As President Trump prepares to leave office in days, a lucrative market for pardons is coming to a head, with some of his allies collecting fees from wealthy felons or their associates to push the White House for clemency, according to documents and interviews with more than three dozen lobbyists and lawyers.
? The brisk market for pardons reflects the access peddling that has defined Mr. Trump?s presidency as well as his unorthodox approach to exercising unchecked presidential clemency powers. Pardons and commutations are intended to show mercy to deserving recipients, but Mr. Trump has used many of them to reward personal or political allies.

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Tue Jan 19 04:15:29 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 22:15:29 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jimmy Dore on Tucker Carlson says Pres. Trump
 should pardon Assange to stick up for freedom of speech and stick it to the
 intelligence community
Message-ID: <a0972c37-6aee-b378-c89d-3be80b55d8ad@forestfield.org>

https://youtube.com/watch?v=je3tfciJtvY is Jimmy Dore's show including his recent 
segment on Tucker Carlson. This is worth watching regardless of what you make of 
Carlson, Dore, or my recommendations.

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Jan 19 19:41:35 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:41:35 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Janet Yellen:  Horrorshow or Economic Savior?
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB192306AEE9BC9FC07228329F8CA30@BN6PR11MB1923.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>


April 2017  Revelation of Another Vast Conspiracy : 
The Obama-Yellen conspiracy?s plot to crush the economy!  And blame it on Trump ! !
Oh the HORROR!  the shrieking freaking HORROR! 
?? ?  ? 
Shocking new warning to investors . . . Liberal ?insiders? are conspiring to trigger a devastating market crash to blame on President Trump . . .

?
Janet Yellen?s Ugly Plot to Destroy
Trump and Crush the Economy
(and how you can profit from it big time!)

Her name is Janet Yellen and she controls the most powerful financial institution ever created ? the Federal Reserve.
It is also one of the most secretive.
And for the next year, Yellen and her Federal Reserve Board, almost entirely appointed by President Barack Obama, will have almost dictatorial control over the entire U.S. banking system and the entire global financial system.
Now, bestselling author James Dale Davidson blows the whistle on Yellen?s plot to stop Trump.
     In his new book The Breaking Point: Profit From the Coming Money Cataclysm, Davidson reveals why and how the Fed will ratchet rates to create an economic nightmare for Trump.
The Breaking Point reveals the total corruption of our free market system.
Davidson shows how Obama and his minions rigged government numbers and statistics to create the mirage of a prosperous economy.
And he says hidden laws and regulations are trapping you and your wealth in the U.S.
At the center of the maelstrom is the biggest money-grabbing hoax ever unleashed . . . the monetary policies of the Federal Reserve.
? From the Newsmax web site  4/21/2017

/  /  /   /   / 

Yellen Readies Big Changes for Treasury
From financial regulation to minority lending, Biden?s pick is poised to change course sharply from the policies of Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

By Alan Rappeport
NYT  Jan. 18, 2021
WASHINGTON ? Janet L. Yellen, President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.?s nominee for Treasury Secretary, will tell lawmakers at her confirmation hearing on Tuesday that the United States needs a robust set of fiscal stimulus measures to get the pandemic-stricken economy back on track and that now is not the time to worry about the nation?s mounting debt burden.

Ms. Yellen?s support for a large stimulus package comes as Mr. Biden prepares to push through a $1.9 trillion relief plan once he assumes the presidency. If confirmed, Ms. Yellen will be responsible for helping to shepherd that package through Congress and to oversee carrying it out.

?Neither the President-elect, nor I, propose this relief package without an appreciation for the country?s debt burden. But right now, with interest rates at historic lows, the smartest thing we can do is act big,? Ms. Yellen will say, according to a copy of her opening remarks, which were reviewed by The New York Times.

It will not be an easy task. Democrats hold a slim majority in Congress and Republicans have already expressed concern about Mr. Biden?s plan and its impact on the budget deficit, which topped $3 trillion last year.

Ms. Yellen, a former Federal Reserve chair, will argue that ?the benefits will far outweigh the costs.? And she will portray her job as having two mandates: helping people to stay afloat until the pandemic is over and rebuilding the economy so that Americans can better compete in a globalized world.

If confirmed, Ms. Yellen is expected to bring a very different perspective to the job than her predecessor, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. That includes Ms. Yellen?s approach to financial regulation and protecting the economy against systemic risks.

   ? <snip> ?




From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Jan 19 19:41:35 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:41:35 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Janet Yellen:  Horrorshow or Economic Savior?
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB192306AEE9BC9FC07228329F8CA30@BN6PR11MB1923.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>


April 2017  Revelation of Another Vast Conspiracy : 
The Obama-Yellen conspiracy?s plot to crush the economy!  And blame it on Trump ! !
Oh the HORROR!  the shrieking freaking HORROR! 
?? ?  ? 
Shocking new warning to investors . . . Liberal ?insiders? are conspiring to trigger a devastating market crash to blame on President Trump . . .

?
Janet Yellen?s Ugly Plot to Destroy
Trump and Crush the Economy
(and how you can profit from it big time!)

Her name is Janet Yellen and she controls the most powerful financial institution ever created ? the Federal Reserve.
It is also one of the most secretive.
And for the next year, Yellen and her Federal Reserve Board, almost entirely appointed by President Barack Obama, will have almost dictatorial control over the entire U.S. banking system and the entire global financial system.
Now, bestselling author James Dale Davidson blows the whistle on Yellen?s plot to stop Trump.
     In his new book The Breaking Point: Profit From the Coming Money Cataclysm, Davidson reveals why and how the Fed will ratchet rates to create an economic nightmare for Trump.
The Breaking Point reveals the total corruption of our free market system.
Davidson shows how Obama and his minions rigged government numbers and statistics to create the mirage of a prosperous economy.
And he says hidden laws and regulations are trapping you and your wealth in the U.S.
At the center of the maelstrom is the biggest money-grabbing hoax ever unleashed . . . the monetary policies of the Federal Reserve.
? From the Newsmax web site  4/21/2017

/  /  /   /   / 

Yellen Readies Big Changes for Treasury
From financial regulation to minority lending, Biden?s pick is poised to change course sharply from the policies of Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

By Alan Rappeport
NYT  Jan. 18, 2021
WASHINGTON ? Janet L. Yellen, President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.?s nominee for Treasury Secretary, will tell lawmakers at her confirmation hearing on Tuesday that the United States needs a robust set of fiscal stimulus measures to get the pandemic-stricken economy back on track and that now is not the time to worry about the nation?s mounting debt burden.

Ms. Yellen?s support for a large stimulus package comes as Mr. Biden prepares to push through a $1.9 trillion relief plan once he assumes the presidency. If confirmed, Ms. Yellen will be responsible for helping to shepherd that package through Congress and to oversee carrying it out.

?Neither the President-elect, nor I, propose this relief package without an appreciation for the country?s debt burden. But right now, with interest rates at historic lows, the smartest thing we can do is act big,? Ms. Yellen will say, according to a copy of her opening remarks, which were reviewed by The New York Times.

It will not be an easy task. Democrats hold a slim majority in Congress and Republicans have already expressed concern about Mr. Biden?s plan and its impact on the budget deficit, which topped $3 trillion last year.

Ms. Yellen, a former Federal Reserve chair, will argue that ?the benefits will far outweigh the costs.? And she will portray her job as having two mandates: helping people to stay afloat until the pandemic is over and rebuilding the economy so that Americans can better compete in a globalized world.

If confirmed, Ms. Yellen is expected to bring a very different perspective to the job than her predecessor, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. That includes Ms. Yellen?s approach to financial regulation and protecting the economy against systemic risks.

   ? <snip> ?




From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net  Wed Jan 20 16:20:30 2021
From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 10:20:30 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Single Payer: Which Way Forward?
Message-ID: <004e01d6ef48$2da462c0$88ed2840$@comcast.net>

To say that there's a political disconnect in the fight for a national
single payer health care delivery system is to state the obvious. We will
NEVER obtain Single Payer in the U.S. unless the Medicare for All movement
begins to realize the political realities and start a movement that
resembles the scale and confrontation to power that the civil rights
movement of the 1960's did.

 

Single Payer: Which Way Forward?

By Ed Grystar, Dissident Voice. 

January 19, 2021 


| Popular Resistance


 <https://popularresistance.org/strategize/> Strategize!

To say that there's a political disconnect in the fight for a national
single payer health care delivery system is to state the obvious. The
struggle for M4ALL has grown due to decades of grassroots organizing
alongside the gradual worsening of Americans' health insurance coverage,
with support now reaching 70% in the general public as reported by FOX News
after the November elections.

Yet now in the middle of a pandemic, where the USA accounts for a quarter of
the world's infections, and a third of the deaths, the USA's for-profit
healthcare system has no national plan or coordinated response. Instead,
since so few Americans are going to the doctor this year, there is
resounding joy in the industry as profits mount simultaneously with the
despair of millions. The NYT reported an "embarrassment of profits" for some
of the largest health insurance companies, a doubling of profits in the
second quarter of 2020 compared to 2019. These obscene profits are coupled
with staggering increases in wealth for billionaires in the healthcare
sector. Their wealth has increased by 36.3% from 402.3 billion to $548
billion between April 7 and July 31, 2020. All this stands in sharp contrast
to failing rural and inner city hospitals, smaller medical practices and the
hundreds of thousands of unnecessary COVID deaths.

For journalists and talking heads in the mainstream media, this
dysfunctional monstrosity is just the acceptable reality of our healthcare
system. Discussing any responsibility or alternatives are disregarded.

With millions losing their job-based health coverage, millions more stuck
with high insurance costs and lower benefits, Medicare for All is once again
deemed off-the-table by all major politicians, including even its biggest
proponents.

This disconnect comes on top of a worsening economic crisis threatening to
push millions out of their homes while half the population is living
paycheck to paycheck, poverty rising and food insecurity is growing. On the
other side of the class divide, trillions of dollars have been showered on
the wealthy and corporations via the misnamed CARES ACT, and the world's
billionaires have increased their wealth 10.2 trillion during the COVID
pandemic. If there's ever a perfect storm of economic, social, and public
health crises, it is now.

The Republican leadership has taken advantage of this crisis and assigned
blame to the largely unpopular ACA and fixated on its destruction. It has
spent its political energy focusing on the high costs and other weaknesses
of the ACA while never offering anything as a credible replacement.

On the other end of the aisle, President Biden has clearly stated his
opposition to M4ALL, promising to veto the bill if passed. Democrat House
leader Nancy Pelosi is equally opposed, making the chances of a vote remote
under the current leadership. The current Democrat platform focuses on
"strengthening" the ACA, an easy attack vector for Republicans who are able
to exploit the real failures of the ACA and continue to disorient the
public.

With these pitiful responses, disillusionment with the system is prevalent,
and Americans are looking for alternatives.

Controlled Opposition or Bottom Up Independent Movement?

Which brings us to the nub of the issue. The M4ALL movement has grown,
support is high and the need greater than ever. Grassroots organizing, the
COVID-19 death spiral, combined with the continued deterioration of
coverages and rising insurance costs has moved public support to a higher
level despite a blizzard of attacks by opponents ranging from the insurance
industry, media talking heads, politicians of both parties, unions, and
liberals.

As it currently stands, the public overwhelmingly favors M4ALL, and the main
legislation, HR 1384, has over 100 cosponsors. Yet there's no clear strategy
or energy emerging to push the bill forward in Congress or mobilize public
support at this crucial time.

Despite an even deeper crisis than the 2008 recession, we are headed for a
repeat of 2009, when the late John Conyers sponsored SP bill had more
co-signers than any other healthcare legislation at the time, but was
ditched by Democrats in favor of the ACA, a bill written by the insurance
industry.

Once again, Democrats are poised to join with Republicans to scuttle the
immensely popular bill in favor of the insurance industry again, all under
the meek disguise of "getting something accomplished".

Clearly, the M4All movement needs to rise to the occasion - or else risk
jeopardizing its own credibility. Not only has public opinion overwhelmingly
shifted in favor of M4All, but large numbers of Americans are ready to fight
for it as well. The Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign drew huge amounts of
activists out week after week for canvassing racked up a record number of
donations.

Now with the Sanders movement gone, and the pandemic exposing the injustices
within the healthcare system, M4All supporters are looking for answers.

The recent proposal by Jimmy Dore, YouTube political comedian, to force a
vote on M4ALL in the House galvanized supporters, drawing tens of thousands
to virtual town halls, but was overwhelmingly refuted by the officaldom of
the Medicare for All movement. This has brought light on all the weaknesses
of the present approach - an insider strategy that gives Congressional
Democrats and the organizations that align with them too much power to
unilaterally determine the direction of the struggle, while stifling voices
in the grassroots. At this crucial moment, the strengthening of a popular
movement is pushed aside for the sake of maintaining favorability within
subsets of the Democratic party. In reality, grassroots energy is the real
source of power. Rather than hitch their horses to insiders, movement
leaders must drive the car, act and work in a non-partisan fashion to
actually build real power.

Where some critics of Dore agree with building a mass organizing force, they
scoff at his proposal and instead say work must be confined within select
electoral races tied to the Democratic party and insist congressional
supporters like Jayapal and Ocasio Cortez are "allies" and should not be
subject to criticism. Besides the "Squad", there are already over 100
co-signers of HB1384. What is their role in strengthening the grassroots
movement? Will they hold town hall meetings and build public coalitions in
their district?

Movement leaders must realize that the members of Congress must be dealt
with from positions of principle and independence. Otherwise, the insider
compromises progressive reps are subject to trickle down to the movement. If
AOC says Medicare for All is off the table, the movement is weakened if
there's not leadership elsewhere standing up and pushing it forward. Public
support is strong but we are up against an industry that is prepared to
spend whatever is necessary to fight us at every turn - leadership is
crucial.

In the period ahead, the peoples expectations will grow and the need for
M4ALL will become clearer but so will the power of corporate Democrats who
now control all branches of government. They will muzzle any grassroots mass
actions and push the insider strategy and demand obedience.

Movement leaders should be wise to exploit a house vote, which would help
many to understand the huge disconnect between Congress and the public.
Actions like this can aid in forming a diverse coalition of labor, racial
justice, and public health organizations to push for large demonstrations,
public hearings, and petition drives. This is what we need to build towards:
a united bloc of grassroots organizations and unions to push legislators to
act.

Labor Needs to Step Up and Fight

However, labor and other organizations that should rise to the occasion and
provide resources and independent leadership at this critical juncture are
simply not capable, largely due to their deep ties to the Democratic party.

Organized labor has been in a steady state of decline for the past few
decades. Rather than use popular struggles such as M4A to try to gain back
some ground, it has largely doubled down on the business union model of
operation, which treats employers as "partners", abandons the role of
membership education, mobilization, and community outreach to increase union
strength and the labor movement at-large.

The lack of an organized independent current inside labor challenging the
dead-end strategy of cooperation holds labor back. Witness labor's silence
over the past months on demanding wages be paid and healthcare for all
workers during the pandemic, something almost all other developed countries
have done. Despite hundreds of resolutions over the past decade supporting
M4ALL at all levels of labor, real support is weak and ultimately folds when
the Democrats give the orders. It has no real life or energy outside of a
small handful of unions, and much of labor officialdom is indifferent or
simply hostile to M4A, seeing brokered insurance plans as one of their last
few selling points of a union to many workers, despite the share of
unionized workers dropping yearly. This puts most of the top labor
leadership at odds with both the growing mass of unorganized workers without
unions and public opinion who are sympathetic to M4ALL and need real
healthcare.

In order to win M4A, other popular programs, and stave off its own decline,
labor needs a mass upsurge against the corporate domination of society and
its political allies. History shows that when labor engages its rank and
file into popular action, it can sweep away major hurdles that seemed
impossible to overcome. The passage of Social Security in the 1930's is one
such example.

It needs an internal revitalization that advocates a fighting alternative
program that mobilizes and puts people first instead of taking cues from
"corporate partners" and Democratic politicians as to what is on and off the
table. Building this necessary independent movement will ultimately clash
with the party, and this is why Dore's proposal has struck such a nerve. The
multiple unfolding crises have put the need for a fundamental change in
plain sight and progressives need to rise to the occasion.

If our only hope for Medicare for All is phone banking for intermediate
legislation deemed "on the table" by the progressive caucus and working to
elect more progressive Democrats to Congress, the movement will never
actually move forward. With an independent movement that doesn't take cues
from "allies" in Congress, but instead uses them to help move the agenda
forward, we can reach a stage where it isn't an isolated YouTube personality
making such a suggestion but membership-led organizations, backed with the
participation of ordinary people, who see themselves playing a real role in
this fight.

Ed Grystar is Chair of the Western Pennsylvania Coalition for Single Payer
Healthcare. He has over thirty years experience in labor and health justice
movements. Served as President of Butler County (PA) United Labor Council,
AFL-CIO from 1987-2002, Western PA Labor coordinator for Jesse Jackson for
President in 1988, PA coordinator for Dennis Kucinich for President in 2004.
He has worked for a number of healthcare unions.

 

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From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 19:57:46 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Biden: Carrying out his promise/threat right from
 the get
Message-ID: <2779019c-ad5c-79ed-d548-faee0a36c30d@forestfield.org>

https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/
> Joe Biden to rich donors: "Nothing would fundamentally change" if he's elected
> 
> Along with praise for the "civility" of racists, Biden assures donors "no one's
> standard of living will change"

Day 0:
- AFP reported "Biden State pick says US embassy will remain in Jerusalem" as was 
widely reported dating back almost a year:
https://www.trtworld.com/americas/biden-state-pick-says-us-embassy-to-remain-in-jerusalem-43409
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9165119/Biden-State-pick-backs-two-state-Mideast-solution-doubts-prospects.html
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-04-29/joe-biden-says-hed-leave-us-embassy-in-jerusalem-if-elected
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/29/biden-says-hed-leave-us-embassy-in-jerusalem-if-elected


And Jimmy Dore just played a clip pointing out that the US government can move fast 
when it wants (giving the wealthy billions) but Jake Sherman tells us Democrats won't 
get "relief bill until early March".

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1351903264548261890
> In @PunchbowlNews AM ? Democrats do not expect to be able to send @JoeBiden a
> Covid relief bill until early March.

So Pres. Biden: Promise made, promise kept!

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Jan 21 23:37:08 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 23:37:08 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Flood the Zone?
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB192377C9F2251AD5EDB8C6E28CA10@BN6PR11MB1923.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

NOTE 1/21/2021: This article is a year old & refers to the FIRST Trump impeachment of a year ago.  
???
?Flood the zone with shit?: How misinformation overwhelmed our democracy

The impeachment trial probably won?t change any minds. Here?s why.

By Sean Illing  @seanilling  sean.illing at vox.com  Jan 16, 2020 

   No matter how President Trump?s impeachment trial plays out in the Senate, one thing is certain: Despite the incontrovertible facts at the center of the story, the process will change very few minds.
   Regardless of how clear a case Democrats make, it seems likely that a majority of voters will remain confused and unsure about the details of Trump?s transgressions. No single version of the truth will be accepted.
   This is a serious problem for our democratic culture. No amount of evidence, on virtually any topic, is likely to move public opinion one way or the other. We can attribute some of this to rank partisanship ? some people simply refuse to acknowledge inconvenient facts about their own side.
   But there?s another, equally vexing problem. We live in a media ecosystem that overwhelms people with information. Some of that information is accurate, some of it is bogus, and much of it is intentionally misleading. The result is a polity that has increasingly given up on finding out the truth. As Sabrina Tavernise and Aidan Gardiner put it in a New York Times piece, ?people are numb and disoriented, struggling to discern what is real in a sea of slant, fake, and fact.?        This is partly why an earth-shattering historical event like a president?s impeachment has done very little to move public opinion.
   The core challenge we?re facing today is information saturation and a hackable media system. If you follow politics at all, you know how exhausting the environment is. The sheer volume of content, the dizzying number of narratives and counternarratives, and the pace of the news cycle are too much for anyone to process.
   One response to this situation is to walk away and tune everything out. After all, it takes real effort to comb through the bullshit, and most people have busy lives and limited bandwidth. Another reaction is to retreat into tribal allegiances. There?s Team Liberal and Team Conservative, and pretty much everyone knows which side they?re on. So you stick to the places that feed you the information you most want to hear.
   My Vox colleague Dave Roberts calls this an ?epistemic crisis.? The foundation for shared truth, he argues, has collapsed. I don?t disagree with that, but I?d frame the problem a little differently.
   We?re in an age of manufactured nihilism.
   The issue for many people isn?t exactly a denial of truth as such. It?s more a growing weariness over the process of finding the truth at all. And that weariness leads more and more people to abandon the idea that the truth is knowable.
   I call this ?manufactured? because it?s the consequence of a deliberate strategy. It was distilled almost perfectly by Steve Bannon, the former head of Breitbart News and chief strategist for Donald Trump. ?The Democrats don?t matter,? Bannon reportedly said in 2018. ?The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.?
   This idea isn?t new, but Bannon articulated it about as well as anyone can. The press ideally should sift fact from fiction and give the public the information it needs to make enlightened political choices. If you short-circuit that process by saturating the ecosystem with misinformation and overwhelm the media?s ability to mediate, then you can disrupt the democratic process.
   What we?re facing is a new form of propaganda that wasn?t really possible until the digital age. And it works not by creating a consensus around any particular narrative but by muddying the waters so that consensus isn?t achievable.
   Bannon?s political objective is clear. As he explained in a 2017 Conservative Political Action Conference talk, he sees Trump as a stick of dynamite with which to blow up the status quo. So ?flooding the zone? is a means to that end. But more generally, creating widespread cynicism about the truth and the institutions charged with unearthing it erodes the very foundation of liberal democracy. And the strategy is working.

  ?<snip>?
	#	#	#
NOTE:  Sad to say, this suggests why the Jeffersonian ideal of popular democracy (& its degenerate cousin, ?populism?) appear obsolete in our age of digital mass/social media & ever-louder claims to limitless ?freedom of speech? in the ?post-truth society.?  ~ RSz. 012121



From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Thu Jan 21 23:37:08 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 23:37:08 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Flood the Zone?
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB192377C9F2251AD5EDB8C6E28CA10@BN6PR11MB1923.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

NOTE 1/21/2021: This article is a year old & refers to the FIRST Trump impeachment of a year ago.  
???
?Flood the zone with shit?: How misinformation overwhelmed our democracy

The impeachment trial probably won?t change any minds. Here?s why.

By Sean Illing  @seanilling  sean.illing at vox.com  Jan 16, 2020 

   No matter how President Trump?s impeachment trial plays out in the Senate, one thing is certain: Despite the incontrovertible facts at the center of the story, the process will change very few minds.
   Regardless of how clear a case Democrats make, it seems likely that a majority of voters will remain confused and unsure about the details of Trump?s transgressions. No single version of the truth will be accepted.
   This is a serious problem for our democratic culture. No amount of evidence, on virtually any topic, is likely to move public opinion one way or the other. We can attribute some of this to rank partisanship ? some people simply refuse to acknowledge inconvenient facts about their own side.
   But there?s another, equally vexing problem. We live in a media ecosystem that overwhelms people with information. Some of that information is accurate, some of it is bogus, and much of it is intentionally misleading. The result is a polity that has increasingly given up on finding out the truth. As Sabrina Tavernise and Aidan Gardiner put it in a New York Times piece, ?people are numb and disoriented, struggling to discern what is real in a sea of slant, fake, and fact.?        This is partly why an earth-shattering historical event like a president?s impeachment has done very little to move public opinion.
   The core challenge we?re facing today is information saturation and a hackable media system. If you follow politics at all, you know how exhausting the environment is. The sheer volume of content, the dizzying number of narratives and counternarratives, and the pace of the news cycle are too much for anyone to process.
   One response to this situation is to walk away and tune everything out. After all, it takes real effort to comb through the bullshit, and most people have busy lives and limited bandwidth. Another reaction is to retreat into tribal allegiances. There?s Team Liberal and Team Conservative, and pretty much everyone knows which side they?re on. So you stick to the places that feed you the information you most want to hear.
   My Vox colleague Dave Roberts calls this an ?epistemic crisis.? The foundation for shared truth, he argues, has collapsed. I don?t disagree with that, but I?d frame the problem a little differently.
   We?re in an age of manufactured nihilism.
   The issue for many people isn?t exactly a denial of truth as such. It?s more a growing weariness over the process of finding the truth at all. And that weariness leads more and more people to abandon the idea that the truth is knowable.
   I call this ?manufactured? because it?s the consequence of a deliberate strategy. It was distilled almost perfectly by Steve Bannon, the former head of Breitbart News and chief strategist for Donald Trump. ?The Democrats don?t matter,? Bannon reportedly said in 2018. ?The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.?
   This idea isn?t new, but Bannon articulated it about as well as anyone can. The press ideally should sift fact from fiction and give the public the information it needs to make enlightened political choices. If you short-circuit that process by saturating the ecosystem with misinformation and overwhelm the media?s ability to mediate, then you can disrupt the democratic process.
   What we?re facing is a new form of propaganda that wasn?t really possible until the digital age. And it works not by creating a consensus around any particular narrative but by muddying the waters so that consensus isn?t achievable.
   Bannon?s political objective is clear. As he explained in a 2017 Conservative Political Action Conference talk, he sees Trump as a stick of dynamite with which to blow up the status quo. So ?flooding the zone? is a means to that end. But more generally, creating widespread cynicism about the truth and the institutions charged with unearthing it erodes the very foundation of liberal democracy. And the strategy is working.

  ?<snip>?
	#	#	#
NOTE:  Sad to say, this suggests why the Jeffersonian ideal of popular democracy (& its degenerate cousin, ?populism?) appear obsolete in our age of digital mass/social media & ever-louder claims to limitless ?freedom of speech? in the ?post-truth society.?  ~ RSz. 012121



From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Jan 24 03:51:26 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 21:51:26 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chomsky on Hedges' show --
 https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nv4MMbpPksQ
Message-ID: <882758ed-9a70-2ef0-9e8a-0063a361ce26@forestfield.org>

Interview
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nv4MMbpPksQ -- (27m 34s) "State of American Empire"

Transcript is not up yet but will appear on
https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/


From divisek at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 16:31:34 2021
From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:31:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] from Wired: Special Series: A History of the Next
 World War
References: <1895211613.4716139.1611505894694.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1895211613.4716139.1611505894694@mail.yahoo.com>

This has to do with avoiding war with China.

https://link.wired.com/view/5cc9dffefc942d13eb1e6ed8djap3.26hz/e381ec9a

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sun Jan 24 19:14:33 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 19:14:33 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Searching for victims of liberal bias
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB1923452775CE8F8BF419D8198CBE0@BN6PR11MB1923.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>


NO, PROFESSORS AREN'T DISCRIMINATING AGAINST CONSERVATIVE STUDENTS
A major study led by a lifelong Republican finds no evidence that professors are deliberately giving conservative students bad grades.
DAVID M. PERRY
Pacific Standard, JUL 30, 2019
		
The idea that left-wing college professors are both brainwashing undergraduates and discriminating against conservative students has emerged as one of the most consistent right-wing lines of attack against American higher education over the last few decades. While conservative undergrads, like many types of students, may often feel isolated, a new working paper led by a public policy professor who tells me he's a "lifelong Republican" suggests that any evidence for bias in grading against conservative students is at best minimal and most likely absent.
Matthew Woessner, associate professor of political science and public policy at Pennsylvania State University?Harrisburg, has been working with various colleagues on questions related to political identity and higher education for years. In his most recent paper, he collaborated with Amanda Thompson and Robert Maranto to analyze data produced by the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California?Los Angeles. The data, Woessner says, comes from students who are surveyed during both their first year and fourth years. The students report their political identification, and also answer questions about policy issues like abortion, same-sex marriage, affirmative action, and the threat of racism. The authors correlated students' self-reported high-school grade point averages (GPAs), their first-year college outcomes, and their fourth-year college outcomes, to the students' political views. The findings: Ideological variables are not strong predictors of grades, albeit with a few fascinating caveats.
Woessner tells me that, when he first went into this field of research, "I came at this expecting to find evidence of discrimination, but the data didn't support it." Now, years later, having published a book and over a dozen articles on the topic, he concludes that college campuses, "are not a hotbed of ideological discrimination. There are challenges for any minority in the academy, and that includes political minorities and racial minorities," Woessner says, and those challenges can lead some conservative students to "lay low." But there's just no evidence that college professors?who?do indeed trend liberal?in many departments?routinely discriminate against conservative students.
   Though this broader finding is important, Woessner's latest work has suggested some narrow correlations between ideology and grades that are worth considering. Students opposed to legalized abortion, for example, enter college with narrowly higher GPAs than pro-choice students, but lose most of that advantage over four years. Is this a sign that professors are discriminating against right-wing students? Probably not, according to the study: The authors argue that high school may play more to the strengths of conservative students, who often prefer a straightforward, right-or-wrong assessment style. Liberal students, the authors conjecture, fare better in the qualitative work prioritized in higher education, especially in the humanities.       Over the phone, Woessner stresses that, in the end, he and his co-authors had "to engage in speculation, trying to map our possible explanation ranging from discrimination to skills to interests. [Conservative students] may be not as engaged" when it comes to the humanities, whereas "liberal students are much less happy with their math classes."

Meanwhile, right-wing media outlets with a perennial grudge against professors have made the curious choice to report on this study as evidence of professorial bias. These reporters must not have read to the end of the paper, where the authors write: "[Our] results do not paint a picture of conservative students under siege. They remain largely satisfied with their college education, and perform nearly as well as, if not better than, their liberal counterparts." And that's just as it should be.

BY DAVID M. PERRY
David M. Perry is a former professor of history and a contributing writer at Pacific Standard's Ideas section on the topic of health-care access. He's currently senior academic adviser to the Department of History at the University of Minnesota.

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Sun Jan 24 19:14:33 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 19:14:33 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Searching for victims of liberal bias
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB1923452775CE8F8BF419D8198CBE0@BN6PR11MB1923.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>


NO, PROFESSORS AREN'T DISCRIMINATING AGAINST CONSERVATIVE STUDENTS
A major study led by a lifelong Republican finds no evidence that professors are deliberately giving conservative students bad grades.
DAVID M. PERRY
Pacific Standard, JUL 30, 2019
		
The idea that left-wing college professors are both brainwashing undergraduates and discriminating against conservative students has emerged as one of the most consistent right-wing lines of attack against American higher education over the last few decades. While conservative undergrads, like many types of students, may often feel isolated, a new working paper led by a public policy professor who tells me he's a "lifelong Republican" suggests that any evidence for bias in grading against conservative students is at best minimal and most likely absent.
Matthew Woessner, associate professor of political science and public policy at Pennsylvania State University?Harrisburg, has been working with various colleagues on questions related to political identity and higher education for years. In his most recent paper, he collaborated with Amanda Thompson and Robert Maranto to analyze data produced by the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California?Los Angeles. The data, Woessner says, comes from students who are surveyed during both their first year and fourth years. The students report their political identification, and also answer questions about policy issues like abortion, same-sex marriage, affirmative action, and the threat of racism. The authors correlated students' self-reported high-school grade point averages (GPAs), their first-year college outcomes, and their fourth-year college outcomes, to the students' political views. The findings: Ideological variables are not strong predictors of grades, albeit with a few fascinating caveats.
Woessner tells me that, when he first went into this field of research, "I came at this expecting to find evidence of discrimination, but the data didn't support it." Now, years later, having published a book and over a dozen articles on the topic, he concludes that college campuses, "are not a hotbed of ideological discrimination. There are challenges for any minority in the academy, and that includes political minorities and racial minorities," Woessner says, and those challenges can lead some conservative students to "lay low." But there's just no evidence that college professors?who?do indeed trend liberal?in many departments?routinely discriminate against conservative students.
   Though this broader finding is important, Woessner's latest work has suggested some narrow correlations between ideology and grades that are worth considering. Students opposed to legalized abortion, for example, enter college with narrowly higher GPAs than pro-choice students, but lose most of that advantage over four years. Is this a sign that professors are discriminating against right-wing students? Probably not, according to the study: The authors argue that high school may play more to the strengths of conservative students, who often prefer a straightforward, right-or-wrong assessment style. Liberal students, the authors conjecture, fare better in the qualitative work prioritized in higher education, especially in the humanities.       Over the phone, Woessner stresses that, in the end, he and his co-authors had "to engage in speculation, trying to map our possible explanation ranging from discrimination to skills to interests. [Conservative students] may be not as engaged" when it comes to the humanities, whereas "liberal students are much less happy with their math classes."

Meanwhile, right-wing media outlets with a perennial grudge against professors have made the curious choice to report on this study as evidence of professorial bias. These reporters must not have read to the end of the paper, where the authors write: "[Our] results do not paint a picture of conservative students under siege. They remain largely satisfied with their college education, and perform nearly as well as, if not better than, their liberal counterparts." And that's just as it should be.

BY DAVID M. PERRY
David M. Perry is a former professor of history and a contributing writer at Pacific Standard's Ideas section on the topic of health-care access. He's currently senior academic adviser to the Department of History at the University of Minnesota.

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 24 20:15:28 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:15:28 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] from Wired: Special Series: A History
 of the Next World War
In-Reply-To: <1895211613.4716139.1611505894694@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1895211613.4716139.1611505894694.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1895211613.4716139.1611505894694@mail.yahoo.com>
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Dianna

Not to deter anyone from the series, but avoiding war with China is very simple. 

Stop our provocations by: 

1) Removing our warships from the S. China Sea, placed their during Obama?s ?Pivot to Asia,? along with 

2) Closing down our many military bases in the Chinese environment, around 400-600, I believe. We have between 800-1,000 US military bases outside the US, while China has only one recently built in Djibouti. 

3) We could also stop our military air and sea provocations in and around Taiwan. Selling weapons to Taiwan is another provocation. 

4) Stop our interventions by way of NGO?s etc. in H.K. and surrounding nations.

5) Stop the insulting rhetoric and accusations alone would certainly ease tensions. There is more which I?ll leave to others if so inclined.

According to Alfred McCoy in his ?Shadows of the American Century,? the Rand Corp.Think Tank,? has claimed we will be at war with China in 2030. While I find it difficult to believe any nation would be so public in reference to planned attack, we have certainly been provoking China, in hopes they will do a first strike, they won?t. 

Do we really want war with China? According to some Pentagon Officials, every military game has us losing to China, and given they are nuclear armed, it would be insanity.

We are likely hoping for ?regime change,? with our provocations, etc. but that is unlikely as they continue to flourish economically in spite of our sanctions, covid, coming of AI, etc. 

What we have to fear is ?accidents,? which could put us on the path to war and oblivion.


> On Jan 24, 2021, at 10:31, Dianna Visek via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> This has to do with avoiding war with China.
> 
> https://link.wired.com/view/5cc9dffefc942d13eb1e6ed8djap3.26hz/e381ec9a
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Jan 24 20:48:41 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:48:41 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chomsky on Hedges' show --
 https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nv4MMbpPksQ
In-Reply-To: <882758ed-9a70-2ef0-9e8a-0063a361ce26@forestfield.org>
References: <882758ed-9a70-2ef0-9e8a-0063a361ce26@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <1efd131c-16a6-0a0b-1a0c-719bbca46adc@forestfield.org>

I wrote:
> Transcript is not up yet but will appear on
> https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/

An update: the transcript should appear on 
https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/513372-chomsky-state-american-empire/ when it is 
ready.

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 28 00:08:12 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:08:12 -0600
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Cancel the Rents and Mortgages
References: <20210128000625.5A2506C0@ivan.mayfirst.org>
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