From jbn at forestfield.org Sat May 1 01:58:27 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 20:58:27 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News links worth checking out -- Snowden, Greenwald, and Johnstone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57481073967793286de964406d502acca76da3b6.camel@forestfield.org> I wrote: > I don't know what's going on with RT's English YouTube channel > https://youtube.com/channel/UCpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg/videos but RT's > Telegram channel is still going (see https://t.me/s/rtintl for > "preview" mode so you can read this without running the Telegram > proprietary software). YouTube's RT channel publishes nothing more > recent than 5 days old (as I write this); this looks like RT is being > shadowbanned on their main English YouTube channel. https://on.rt.com/b6rj has some information: > RT?s English YouTube channel was issued a strike by the service over > alleged Covid-19 disinformation, temporarily restricting its ability > to launch live broadcasts. RT in Germany faced similar sanctions. > > On Friday, four videos on RT?s main English-language channel were > made inaccessible for viewers for what YouTube said were violations > of its policies on ?medical misinformation? and ?spam, deceptive > practices and scams.? > > In its notification letter, the platform didn?t specify what exact > content in those clips went against its regulations. RT has addressed > YouTube for clarification, but hasn?t gotten a response yet. > > According to YouTube?s rules, the blocking of four clips on a channel > amounts to a ?strike.? As a penalty, RT?s English channel will be > barred from organizing live broadcasts for the next seven days. > > None of the blacklisted clips were newly uploaded.They remained on > RT?s channel for weeks and even months, garnering numerous views and > likes from the audience. > > One of them was an interview with renowned Russian virologist and > World Health Organization expert on influenza Dmitry Lvov, who made a > name for himself by researching the most dangerous viruses in the > former Soviet Union and abroad. In the clip from early March, Lvov > spoke to RT?s journalist, Anton Krasovsky, about the dangers and > possible origins of the current coronavirus pandemic. > > Another blocked video was an episode of the Wayne Dupree Show, hosted > by the black American journalist of the same name. It was dedicated > to January?s inauguration of US President Joe Biden, in which Biden > called on supporters to skip the event due to the Covid-19 outbreak. > > The other two clips were news broadcasts from rallies against > coronavirus restrictions in London and Birmingham without commentary. > > Meanwhile, the head of RT in Germany, Dinara Toktosunova, confirmed > that RT DE also got a strike on YouTube. The video in question, a > livestream from October 2020, showed an anti-lockdown protest in > Melbourne, Australia. There was no explanation from YouTube as to > which specific moment of the footage triggered the sanctions. As the > second strike for the page, it carries a harsher penalty. The German > channel won?t be able to upload videos and stage live broadcasts for > two weeks now, according to Toktosunova. > > The platform?s rules state that ?three strikes in the same 90-day > period will result in your channel being permanently removed from > YouTube.? > > The latest action against RT follows another episode of social media > clampdown on the news outlet. > > In late March, the RT Arabic channel on YouTube, which is one of the > most popular news sources in that language, was blocked entirely over > copyright infringement claims by a US-based firm. However, its > operations swiftly resumed after the hugely popular service was > unblocked a few hours later. YouTube claimed the ban was > ?unintentional.? > > Last year, RT?s Twitter account was marked as Russian state- > affiliated media, which means the tweets by the account won?t be > promoted or suggested for further reading by the social media giant. A related link: https://on.rt.com/b51c -- "YouTube blocks ? and then unblocks ? highly popular RT Arabic channel after US-based company files copyright infringement claims" which includes: > Writing on Facebook, Russia?s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria > Zakharova accused the social network of ?another act of censorship.? > > ?I?m tired of repeating hackneyed, politically correct phrases,? she > said. ?So let me be blunt: American digital giants have raped free > speech.? > > YouTube?s blocking of RT Arabic is the latest in a long line of > Russian state-funded outlets being targeted by social media giants. > Last year, RT?s Twitter account was subjected to a shadowban, meaning > it is now undiscoverable via the website?s search function. https://on.rt.com/b787 - "Facebook bans RT?s digital content project Redfish after posts marking end of Mussolini?s dictatorship and Holocaust Memorial Day" Meanwhile, other state-funded foreign media outlets (such as the BBC and CBC) continue to not be pressed to comply with FARA (Foreign Agent Registration Act) like RT's employees have. And the BBC, CBC, and others don't find themselves being censored on popular American-based social media systems. From jbn at forestfield.org Sun May 2 01:34:52 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 20:34:52 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News links worth checking out -- Snowden, Greenwald, and Johnstone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4574d440-81b8-b62d-06d7-e867f2354e45@forestfield.org> I wrote: > I don't know what's going on with RT's English YouTube channel > https://youtube.com/channel/UCpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg/videos but RT's Telegram channel > is still going (see https://t.me/s/rtintl for "preview" mode so you can read this > without running the Telegram proprietary software). YouTube's RT channel publishes > nothing more recent than 5 days old (as I write this); this looks like RT is being > shadowbanned on their main English YouTube channel. It appears that RT's English YouTube page is again showing new videos. Related links on popular social media censorship of RT: https://on.rt.com/b6rj -- "YouTube blocks videos & hands strikes to RT?s English & German channels over alleged Covid-19 disinformation" https://on.rt.com/b7b6 -- "Facebook restores page of RT?s Redfish after brief ban over anti-fascist posts, but account remains heavily censored" From jbn at forestfield.org Sun May 2 16:51:10 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 11:51:10 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your pointers to Jason Liggett (jcliggett at urbanaillinois.us). I routinely ask him to prioritize AWARE members pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. -J Status Coup https://youtube.com/watch?v=mAqWgxbW77c (12m 44s) -- "Flint Water is STILL a Crisis Seven Years Later and No One is Talking About It" Grayzone https://youtube.com/watch?v=6AXcjwX-JGA (35m 03) -- "BlueAnon: Glenn Greenwald on why Russiagate disinformation never ends" RT https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dg5YKSLHfZI (26m 55s) -- "Police Abuse & Torture" TheAnalysis.news https://youtube.com/watch?v=s4VAu-HTEmc (56m 18s) -- "10 Things Wrong With Biden?s Foreign Policy ? Medea Benjamin" Democracy at Work https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cggma2u3_S8 (9m 07s) -- "AskProfWolff: Latin America's Pink Tide" https://youtube.com/watch?v=bzLq4cMV-qk (4m 02s) -- "Three More Reasons There Won't Be an Economic Boom - Richard Wolff" https://youtube.com/watch?v=XET40VvMrSk (8m 53s) -- "Ask Prof Wolff: How Anti-Capitalists Defeat 'Capital Flight'" https://youtube.com/watch?v=jNuqjRqeIDw (11m 10s) -- "Ask Prof Wolff: Capitalism and Racism" laborvideo https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ZL9cSolNFw (6m 49s) -- "On Workers Memorial Day 2021 Former OSHA WPP Lawyer & Investigator Darrell Whitman Speaks Out!" https://youtube.com/watch?v=v2E6yaqF8_A (15m 09s) -- "2021 May Day San Francisco ILWU Marches & Supports Chilean Dockworkers & Angela Davis Speaks Out" https://youtube.com/watch?v=z9ZqsB_rQq0 (6m 28s) -- "On May Day 2021 ILWU Backs Chilean Dockers In San Francisco! Solidarity Has No Borders" From jbn at forestfield.org Sun May 2 17:19:31 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 12:19:31 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Highly recommended Syrian gas attack coverage, purposefully ignored by establishment media and covered by alternative media Message-ID: <683b20a2-27e8-11ef-4715-36a367085def@forestfield.org> Here's how consent is manufactured -- more on the fake Douma gas attack where actual murders are being covered up and not talked about by the establishment media (ABC, NBC, CBS, Democracy Now, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, Wikipedia articles, and so many more) and their sycophants (such as "The Young Turks"). Journalist Aaron Mat? has been covering this story at The Grayzone on his show Push Back with Aaron Mat?. He's also discussed (on Jimmy Dore's show) that Democracy Now would not cover this story. https://youtube.com/watch?v=FTB6yM69KpA (39m 35s) -- "Biggest Cover-Up Since Iraq Exposed By Journalist Aaron Mat?" From r-szoke at illinois.edu Mon May 3 01:35:42 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 01:35:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?=93You_are_BIASED_and__I_am_not?= =?windows-1252?q?=2E=94__V050221?= Message-ID: Copied from the ?critical thinking / cognitive bias? cards distributed by the School of Thought [ My interpolated comments are in square brackets. ? RSz. ] > SPOTLIGHT EFFECT You overestimate how much people notice how you look and act. Instead of worrying about how you?re being judged, consider how you?re making others feel. They?ll notice this much more, and you?ll also be making the world a better place. [ In the narcissistic ?post-truth society,? people tend to imagine they are in the spotlight at the front & center of the stage, & that others in the audience are plotting against them. They judge statements & doctrines not on their degree of truthfulness ? what, after all, is THAT? ? but on the extent to which repeating their slogans makes them feel better about themselves. Example: a folk-wisdom cliche was here recently attributed to Aristotle. When I objected & asked for a citation, several began to insist that it was such a feel-good sentiment that it did not matter in the least whether Aristotle ever actually said it. If so, why the suggestion that he did? ] > THE BACKFIRE EFFECT When your core beliefs are challenged, it can cause you to believe even more strongly. We can experience being wrong about some ideas as an attack upon our very selves, or our tribal identity. This can lead to motivated reasoning which causes us to reinforce a broader narrative despite disconfirming evidence relating to a particular fact. [ On how people will twist, modify & re-interpret their basic beliefs to disqualify what might appear to be fatal objections, see Tavris & Aronson, Mistakes Were Made (But Not By ME) (2007), Chapter 1, ?Cognitive Dissonance: The Engine of of Self-justification,? esp. pp. 12-15, on the classic case of a Doomsday Cult that doubled down on their apocalyptic belief when their original prediction failed to materialize. Also Leon Festinger & others, When Prophecy Fails (1956), & Festinger, A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957). ] > REACTANCE You?d rather do the opposite of what someone is trying to make you do. When we feel our liberty is being constrained, out inclination is to resist; however in doing so we can over-compensate. Wisdom springs from reflection, folly from reaction. [ I once talked with a woman who told me she was so antagonized by a ?Keep off the Grass? sign that she wanted to go over & trample that grass. We are seeing something similar in recent reactions to public imperatives to wear anti-covid face masks, maintain social spacing & get vaccinated ? some objecting to ?being told what to do by the ?goddam gummint,? others ranting against Trump-haters or being controlled by bureaucrats, Democrats & ?liberals? whose only motive is to gain more power for themselves. (Remember the previous eruptions & hullabaloo over required school vaccinations, seat belts, & motorcycle helmets?) We seem to have trouble coming down in a reflective middle ground of ?question authority,? which is somewhere between exaggerated infantile ?reject authority? & senile ?respect authority.? ] # # # From r-szoke at illinois.edu Mon May 3 01:35:42 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 01:35:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?=93You_are_BIASED_and__I_am_not?= =?windows-1252?q?=2E=94__V050221?= Message-ID: Copied from the ?critical thinking / cognitive bias? cards distributed by the School of Thought [ My interpolated comments are in square brackets. ? RSz. ] > SPOTLIGHT EFFECT You overestimate how much people notice how you look and act. Instead of worrying about how you?re being judged, consider how you?re making others feel. They?ll notice this much more, and you?ll also be making the world a better place. [ In the narcissistic ?post-truth society,? people tend to imagine they are in the spotlight at the front & center of the stage, & that others in the audience are plotting against them. They judge statements & doctrines not on their degree of truthfulness ? what, after all, is THAT? ? but on the extent to which repeating their slogans makes them feel better about themselves. Example: a folk-wisdom cliche was here recently attributed to Aristotle. When I objected & asked for a citation, several began to insist that it was such a feel-good sentiment that it did not matter in the least whether Aristotle ever actually said it. If so, why the suggestion that he did? ] > THE BACKFIRE EFFECT When your core beliefs are challenged, it can cause you to believe even more strongly. We can experience being wrong about some ideas as an attack upon our very selves, or our tribal identity. This can lead to motivated reasoning which causes us to reinforce a broader narrative despite disconfirming evidence relating to a particular fact. [ On how people will twist, modify & re-interpret their basic beliefs to disqualify what might appear to be fatal objections, see Tavris & Aronson, Mistakes Were Made (But Not By ME) (2007), Chapter 1, ?Cognitive Dissonance: The Engine of of Self-justification,? esp. pp. 12-15, on the classic case of a Doomsday Cult that doubled down on their apocalyptic belief when their original prediction failed to materialize. Also Leon Festinger & others, When Prophecy Fails (1956), & Festinger, A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957). ] > REACTANCE You?d rather do the opposite of what someone is trying to make you do. When we feel our liberty is being constrained, out inclination is to resist; however in doing so we can over-compensate. Wisdom springs from reflection, folly from reaction. [ I once talked with a woman who told me she was so antagonized by a ?Keep off the Grass? sign that she wanted to go over & trample that grass. We are seeing something similar in recent reactions to public imperatives to wear anti-covid face masks, maintain social spacing & get vaccinated ? some objecting to ?being told what to do by the ?goddam gummint,? others ranting against Trump-haters or being controlled by bureaucrats, Democrats & ?liberals? whose only motive is to gain more power for themselves. (Remember the previous eruptions & hullabaloo over required school vaccinations, seat belts, & motorcycle helmets?) We seem to have trouble coming down in a reflective middle ground of ?question authority,? which is somewhere between exaggerated infantile ?reject authority? & senile ?respect authority.? ] # # # From mkb3 at icloud.com Mon May 3 21:25:24 2021 From: mkb3 at icloud.com (Morton K. Brussel) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 16:25:24 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?b?SHVtYW4gcmlnaHRz4oCm?= Message-ID: One of her most compelling? World?s Most Tyrannical Regime Can?t Stop Babbling About ?Human?Rights? by Caitlin Johnstone Listen to this article: "America won?t back away from our commitment to human rights and fundamental freedoms," reads a Wednesday tweet from the presidential Twitter account. "No responsible American president can remain silent when basic human rights are violated." The tweet, an excerpt from the US president's prepared congressional address , was retweeted on Saturday by Secretary of State Tony Blinken with the caption, "We will always defend human rights at home and abroad." Like all US secretaries of state, Blinken's public statements overwhelmingly focus on the claim that other nations abuse human rights, and that it is America's duty to defend those rights. Which is very silly, considering the fact that the US government is the single worst human rights abuser on planet Earth. And it's not even close. We will always defend human rights at home and abroad. https://t.co/wmPTO7Aa0k ? Secretary Antony Blinken (@SecBlinken) May 1, 2021 There is no other government that is circling the planet with hundreds of military bases and working to destroy any nation which disobeys it via invasion, proxy wars, blockades, economic warfare, staged coups, and covert operations. There is no other government on earth whose violence has killed millions of people and displaced tens of millions just since the turn of this century. There is no other government waging nonstop wars around the world and dropping scores of bombs per day on human beings in foreign nations in order to perpetuate its iron-fisted domination of our planet. And it just says so much about who is controlling the dominant narratives in our society that these actions are not considered human rights violations. Clearly we should all have a human right to not be murdered by explosives dropped from the sky, and we in nations where this does not commonly occur would be very upset if it suddenly began happening to us. Clearly it is an abuse of human rights to deliberately starve children to death because you don't approve of the people who run things in their part of the world. Clearly it is an abuse of human rights to turn a nation to rubble and chaos for profit and geostrategic control. Not a day goes by when the US government is not doing these things, both directly and through its imperial member states. Yet the US secretary of state spends all day tweeting that other governments are guilty of human rights violations. Because, as far as power is concerned, narrative control is everything . If mass murder is not an abuse of human rights, then "human rights" is a meaningless concept. But even if bombing campaigns and other acts of military butchery do not transgress your personal definition of human rights, the US still does not care about human rights. A few years back we used to hear a lot about Duterte's atrocious human rights record?but that seems to have stopped over the past year or so. Wonder what Duterte could've possibly done to get the human rights industry heat off him?https://t.co/vWHLqox1N9 pic.twitter.com/rkd09xuUrx ? Mark Ames (@MarkAmesExiled) April 30, 2021 As journalist Mark Ames recently flagged , a few years ago the imperial narrative managers were very keen on informing us that Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte was a despotic human rights abuser, but we haven't been hearing much about what an evil brute he is of late. So what happened? Did Duterte cease promoting the extrajudicial killings of drug users and spontaneously transform into a cuddly wuddly human rights advocate? Of course not. What happened, as Ames points out, is that Duterte ceased publicly toying with the notion of pivoting from Washington to Beijing as he had been doing since taking office, shifting to a hard line against China in support of Manila's longtime imperial overlord. We saw the change in coverage because Washington and its imperial spinmeisters only care about human rights abuses insofar as they can be exploited against the few remaining nations like China that have insisted on their own sovereignty instead of allowing themselves to be converted into member states of the US-centralized empire. We know this not only from naked eye observations of the empire's behavior from year to year, but also because they have blatantly said so. That Time A Leaked Memo Proved The US Weaponizes 'Human Rights' Against Nations Like China "The reality is that actions against China were already planned, and a narrative was used to justify them."https://t.co/J9RHRcPat1 ? Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) March 23, 2021 As I never tire of reminding readers , a leaked 2017 State Department memo spelled out in plain English how the US only cares about human rights when they can be weaponized against its enemies, and has a standing policy of ignoring them when they are committed by its allies/vassal states. In December 2017 Politico ?published an internal memo that had been sent the previous May to then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson by virulent neocon Brian Hook. The memo provided useful insight into what it looks like when a toxic swamp monster orients a political neophyte to the inner mechanics of the empire, explaining the way "human rights" are really just a tool to be cynically leveraged to advance the goal of planetary hegemony. It reads like an old veteran explaining the backstory to the new guy in the pilot episode of a new TV series. "In the case of US allies such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the Philippines, the Administration is fully justified in emphasizing good relations for a variety of important reasons, including counter-terrorism, and in honestly facing up to the difficult tradeoffs with regard to human rights," Hook explained in the memo. "One useful guideline for a realistic and successful foreign policy is that allies should be treated differently -- and better -- than adversaries," Hook wrote. "We do not look to bolster America?s adversaries overseas; we look to pressure, compete with, and outmaneuver them. For this reason, we should consider human rights as an important issue in regard to US relations with China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran. And this is not only because of moral concern for practices inside those countries. It is also because pressing those regimes on human rights is one way to impose costs, apply counter-pressure, and regain the initiative from them strategically." Imperialist propaganda is like ninety percent concern trolling. https://t.co/EcXLA14YEt ? Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) April 10, 2021 In Imperialist Brain Worms World, "human rights" is nothing other than a propaganda weapon to be used for building antagonistic international coalitions, manufacturing consent for invasions and regime change ops, and spinning the dominant narrative in support of starvation sanctions and world-threatening cold war escalations. It's just mass-scale concern trolling of the most destructive and malignant sort imaginable. This is what you are feeding into, by the way, when you parrot State Department lines about how horrible and tyrannical US-targeted governments are. You are helping to circulate the narratives our rulers are spending billions of dollars circulating, and you are doing it for free. You are making the jobs of the imperialists that much easier, because you are unwittingly operating as a pro bono Pentagon propagandist. Don't be a Pentagon propagandist, pro bono or otherwise. Don't be an imperial concern troll. Don't let the worst human rights abuser on the face of our planet get away with pretending to support human rights. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Mon May 3 22:53:09 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 17:53:09 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Moving peace & peace-discuss to better-maintained systems? In-Reply-To: <6fc79e85-b153-c831-a4c0-ceffd87921ba@forestfield.org> References: <56c456a4-1f13-e7e7-27c3-da8060bd2173@forestfield.org> <480023954.2236577.1618687760767@mail.yahoo.com> <03132cc0-3e05-39d8-3ed0-aeceb946fe33@forestfield.org> <6fc79e85-b153-c831-a4c0-ceffd87921ba@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <3a0d90cf-fd7c-87e0-8abb-48c650c6694b@forestfield.org> I wrote: > I think it would be good to get that info from Rosemary Braun regardless of the > outcome of this part of the discussion. Hi Stuart, What came of contacting Rosemary Braun? Is she willing to transfer the anti-war.net domain to me so I can set up the website and mailing lists under a new hosting? Carl Estabrook (carl at newsfromneptune.com) is willing to pay the hosting and domain costs for anti-war.net (which will cover website hosting, email hosting, and transfer + renewal fees). I'm willing to put in the work migrating the website (which, last I looked, should be simple), mailing list archives for both peace and peace-discuss to Carl's dreamhost.com account gratis. > Some time ago I asked Dreamhost admins what it would take for them to keep the > archives, mailing list subscribers (and their settings), and thus let us all > continue posting to: > > ? peace at anti-war.net -- peace list posts > ? peace-discuss at anti-war.net -- peace-discuss list posts To act on my pledge to help I'll need the current anti-war.net domain hoster to transfer the domain to me, and I'll need to get some files from the current server -- website files, mailing list archive files, and mailing list configuration files (including subscribers and their mailing list settings). Do you know whom I should contact to help with getting these files from the current server? Thanks for your help, Stuart. From jbn at forestfield.org Mon May 3 23:33:26 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 18:33:26 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] More on why Democracy Now and The Intercept are establishment media Message-ID: <5f4b15bd-5959-7ba5-d6d5-a920edfd4057@forestfield.org> Aaron Mat? and Glenn Greenwald discuss the "Left media promoting propaganda it once exposed". I highly recommend this and the preceding segment of this interview: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6AXcjwX-JGA (35m 03s) -- "BlueAnon: Glenn Greenwald on why Russiagate disinformation never ends" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=FoCDZESfgV4 (19m 23s) -- "Neocon Now!: Glenn Greenwald on Left media promoting propaganda it once exposed" I can't recommend the latter for UPTV because Glenn Greenwald rightly called Stuart Stevens' book "It Was All a Lie" a "shitty book" about 5 minutes into the second segment listed above. But that doesn't stop me from recommending this clip to you, here, and I do strongly recommend both of these clips. They also bring up Jimmy Dore's show because they're both repeat guests on Dore's show and because Dore's show is one of the few places you can find the kind of expos?s you used to get on, for example, Democracy Now. DN used to have guests on who did the journalism needed to uncover the 2003 Iraq War lies and DN used to provide this on a regular ("drumbeat") basis. No more, now DN has ceded that work to Jimmy Dore (as Dore regularly says, "Thanks for leaving me this wide lane" to show that he can do journalism better than you and do it while he's high on cannabis, which he often is). Now things are different for DN. As Greenwald pointed out just after a clip of Stevens on DN hawking his book at 5m 36s: > Glenn Greenwald: ...but he [Stuart Stevens] went on and poured that book out and > [DN co-hosts] Amy [Goodman] and Juan Gonzalez talked about talked about this book > like it was such an important piece of political literature, and he [Stuart > Stevens] got to talk all about how George Bush was genuine a compassionate > conservative and they didn't say, 'well, isn't, like, rendition and torture, and > like Guantanamo, and lying to destroy Iraq, and letting New Orleans drown contrary > to the view that compassionate conservatism reigned in the Bush years?'. They said > nothing! He was treated like -- what happened is the Trump era broke everybody's > brain in the center left or left-wing media not everybody's brain to the point > where everything became binary: you were either pro-Trump or anti-Trump and if you > were anti-Trump you are considered to be an ally, somebody who is, you know, > deserves adoration and support -- Bill Kristol, David Frum -- became stars of > MSNBC because of that framework and that's what led Stuart Stevens to onto > Democracy Now. Conversely, if you weren't sufficiently anti-Trump, if you didn't > shape your entire politics to oppose Trump, if you didn't endorse every lie > disseminated in the name of stopping Trump, you became an enemy to the point where > you are blackballed. So, Democracy Now which always, like The Intercept, conceived > of itself as earring dissident marginalized voices; it wasn't just me, they don't > put anyone on who's banned from MSNBC or CNN because of left wing descent. Even > Matt Taibbi or yourself, it's just that they are indistinguishable from all of the > liberal outlets that they always perceived and conceived of themselves as being > opposed to and they're no different; they fit perfectly into the kind of Vox, you > know, MSNBC, Talking Points Memo, pro-DNC media, they do nothing different! All > the people they put on could easily go on those programs and do, and all the > people they ban and exclude are excluded and banned from those same networks. And > that has contaminated so much center-left and left-laying media that, you know, > it's almost impossible to find distinctions between them and CNN or the New York > Times at this point. Regarding "the Trump era [nearly] broke everybody's brain": I find this to be rather inarticulately expressed, and I can understand the social pressure Mat? and Greenwald discuss -- I think that the establishment outlets vet their interviewers/newsreaders for qualities that tend toward adopting whatever line their advertisers like -- but I don't think people are unaware of where their money comes from and I think people work to preserve that income and I doubt few need to explicitly be told to do something conformant (those people who need such reminders are probably fired in favor of those who demonstrate obeisance). Read twitter.com account posts from young stand-up comics and you'll find plenty of people who echo mainstream narrative, don't exhibit serious analytical skill, and effectively audition themselves for establishment media jobs. I believe it was Max Blumenthal who had another take on this: that Ford Foundation funding provides a way to understand the change for DN. I'll see if I can find the reference, but the gist was that the DN co-host Nermeen Shaikh was basically supplied by or approved by the Ford Foundation and DN takes Ford Foundation money. That money informs why DN became supportive of the establishment. That said, I think that the interview is well worth your time to hear in its entirety. The vast majority of it is prescient to explain what frauds the "left" media is. -J From moboct1 at aim.com Tue May 4 16:35:41 2021 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 16:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] More on why Democracy Now and The Intercept are establishment manedia In-Reply-To: <5f4b15bd-5959-7ba5-d6d5-a920edfd4057@forestfield.org> References: <5f4b15bd-5959-7ba5-d6d5-a920edfd4057@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <50581327.903195.1620146141300@mail.yahoo.com> Ford Fdn--that explains it--Mareen Shaihk, I never could abide her.? Once in a while Amy hosts people like Daniel Ellsberg (yesterday, rebroadcast on WEFT at 4 pm)--rehashing his well-known history; and Jeremy Scahill (who cut his journalism teeth on DN about 20 years ago) are always worthwhile.? ?Remember Amy's heyday some 25 yrs ago when DN was broadcast by Pacifica Radio? I can't recall exactly when she was part of a progressive media symposium hosted I attended in Lincoln Hall on the U.I. campus some 30 years ago put together by U.I. journalism professor and author, Bob--(?his last name escapes me).? DN occasionally? puts together a reputable program but most of the time it isn't much different than can be found in other liberal Democrat "feel-good we finally got rid of Trump--maybe" media .? DN foreign news sources are generally deplorable.?? Just my 2 cents worth.? Midge -----Original Message----- From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss To: Peace Discuss ; Peace Cc: J.B. Nicholson Sent: Mon, May 3, 2021 4:34 pm Subject: [Peace-discuss] More on why Democracy Now and The Intercept are establishment medi Aaron Mat? and Glenn Greenwald discuss the "Left media promoting propaganda it once exposed". I highly recommend this and the preceding segment of this interview: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6AXcjwX-JGA (35m 03s) -- "BlueAnon: Glenn Greenwald on why Russiagate disinformation never ends" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=FoCDZESfgV4 (19m 23s) -- "Neocon Now!: Glenn Greenwald on Left media promoting propaganda it once exposed" I can't recommend the latter for UPTV because Glenn Greenwald rightly called Stuart Stevens' book "It Was All a Lie" a "shitty book" about 5 minutes into the second segment listed above. But that doesn't stop me from recommending this clip to you, here, and I do strongly recommend both of these clips. They also bring up Jimmy Dore's show because they're both repeat guests on Dore's show and because Dore's show is one of the few places you can find the kind of expos?s you used to get on, for example, Democracy Now. DN used to have guests on who did the journalism needed to uncover the 2003 Iraq War lies and DN used to provide this on a regular ("drumbeat") basis. No more, now DN has ceded that work to Jimmy Dore (as Dore regularly says, "Thanks for leaving me this wide lane" to show that he can do journalism better than you and do it while he's high on cannabis, which he often is). Now things are different for DN. As Greenwald pointed out just after a clip of Stevens on DN hawking his book at 5m 36s: > Glenn Greenwald: ... but he [Stuart Stevens] went on and poured that book out and > [DN co-hosts] Amy [Goodman] and Juan Gonzalez talked about talked about this book > like it was such an important piece of political literature, and he [Stuart > Stevens] got to talk all about how George Bush was genuine a compassionate > conservative and they didn't say, 'well, isn't, like, rendition and torture, and > like Guantanamo, and lying to destroy Iraq, and letting New Orleans drown contrary > to the view that compassionate conservatism reigned in the Bush years?'. They said > nothing! He was treated like -- what happened is the Trump era broke everybody's > brain in the center left or left-wing media not everybody's brain to the point > where everything became binary: you were either pro-Trump or anti-Trump and if you > were anti-Trump you are considered to be an ally, somebody who is, you know, > deserves adoration and support -- Bill Kristol, David Frum -- became stars of > MSNBC because of that framework and that's what led Stuart Stevens to onto > Democracy Now. Conversely, if you weren't sufficiently anti-Trump, if you didn't > shape your entire politics to oppose Trump, if you didn't endorse every lie > disseminated in the name of stopping Trump, you became an enemy to the point where > you are blackballed. So, Democracy Now which always, like The Intercept, conceived > of itself as earring dissident marginalized voices; it wasn't just me, they don't > put anyone on who's banned from MSNBC or CNN because of left wing descent. Even > Matt Taibbi or yourself, it's just that they are indistinguishable from all of the > liberal outlets that they always perceived and conceived of themselves as being > opposed to and they're no different; they fit perfectly into the kind of Vox, you > know, MSNBC, Talking Points Memo, pro-DNC media, they do nothing different! All > the people they put on could easily go on those programs and do, and all the > people they ban and exclude are excluded and banned from those same networks. And > that has contaminated so much center-left and left-laying media that, you know, > it's almost impossible to find distinctions between them and CNN or the New York > Times at this point. Regarding "the Trump era [nearly] broke everybody's brain": I find this to be rather inarticulately expressed, and I can understand the social pressure Mat? and Greenwald discuss -- I think that the establishment outlets vet their interviewers/newsreaders for qualities that tend toward adopting whatever line their advertisers like -- but I don't think people are unaware of where their money comes from and I think people work to preserve that income and I doubt few need to explicitly be told to do something conformant (those people who need such reminders are probably fired in favor of those who demonstrate obeisance). Read twitter.com account posts from young stand-up comics and you'll find plenty of people who echo mainstream narrative, don't exhibit serious analytical skill, and effectively audition themselves for establishment media jobs. I believe it was Max Blumenthal who had another take on this: that Ford Foundation funding provides a way to understand the change for DN. I'll see if I can find the reference, but the gist was that the DN co-host Nermeen Shaikh was basically supplied by or approved by the Ford Foundation and DN takes Ford Foundation money. That money informs why DN became supportive of the establishment. That said, I think that the interview is well worth your time to hear in its entirety. The vast majority of it is prescient to explain what frauds the "left" media is. -J _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Thu May 6 01:10:03 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 20:10:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What The Intercept tells us establishment media is for In-Reply-To: <5f4b15bd-5959-7ba5-d6d5-a920edfd4057@forestfield.org> References: <5f4b15bd-5959-7ba5-d6d5-a920edfd4057@forestfield.org> Message-ID: I wrote: > Aaron Mat? and Glenn Greenwald discuss the "Left media promoting propaganda it once > exposed". I highly recommend this and the preceding segment of this interview: > > > https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6AXcjwX-JGA (35m 03s) -- "BlueAnon: Glenn Greenwald on why > Russiagate disinformation never ends" > > https://yewtu.be/watch?v=FoCDZESfgV4 (19m 23s) -- "Neocon Now!: Glenn Greenwald on > Left media promoting propaganda it once exposed" Glenn Greenwald posted https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1389722584804102148 today: A screenshot of a fundraising email from membership at emails.theintercept.com which you can see at https://twitter.com/pic/media%2FE0lJOE3XoAYJ2Qu.jpg followed by Greenwald's response: > This is repulsive. The Intercept was founded during the Snowden story to defend > privacy rights & oppose the security state. Now, the liberal DNC hacks who "edit" > it are boasting they got personal data from Gab users & are sorting through it, > doing FBI's work to find "extremists." In https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1389731899883626507 Matt Taibbi followed up to Greenwald's post: > The Intercept ditching its oppositional posture to do an FBI-like job snooping on > ordinary people in Gab files feels familiar ? like Wikileaks being discarded as a > partner by mainstream outlets in favor of Bellingcat, an approved ? leak site. Never forget, that's what the Intercept has been doing (since at least the time they asked the NSA, 'Is this leak from you?' revealing Reality Winner as the source and playing a crucial role in getting her in prison) and that's what establishment media is for. Like John Kiriakou told us years ago, "Never leak to anyone but WikiLeaks". And even that comes with caveats he told Cond? Nast in 2017 (quoting https://www.wired.com/?p=2171069): > With the examples set by Kiriakou and Thomas Drake (who went bankrupt defending > himself), it?s hard to blame people for eyeing their pensions before they blab. > > Even if a leaker takes the plunge anyway, it?s hard to know where to turn. ?Few > traditional media outlets have the budget for investigative journalism, and you > can?t just take a leaker?s word for it,? Kiriakou says. ?A lot of whistleblowers > and would-be whistleblowers have told me they were ignored by the Washington Post > or The New York Times and said, well, there?s always WikiLeaks.? > > Not that Kiriakou is any fan of how WikiLeaks handles information. ?WikiLeaks > published my social security number in the Chelsea Manning leak,? he says. ?Did > they need to do that? I think not.? He admits that some of his trepidation towards > WikiLeaks could be generational?Kiriakou is in his fifties, and still reads his > news in print?but he ultimately thinks they can become part of the solution only > when they adopt more vigorous vetting practices. > > But only a small part: ?We need a national security whistleblower protection law,? > Kiriakou says. ?There has to be somewhere to go legally in the system, not just > WikiLeaks.? And there's more about both Democracy Now and The Intercept from Jimmy Dore & Aaron Mat? coming soon courtesy of tonight's live Jimmy Dore show. From jbn at forestfield.org Thu May 6 23:56:08 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 18:56:08 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What The Intercept tells us establishment media is for In-Reply-To: References: <5f4b15bd-5959-7ba5-d6d5-a920edfd4057@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <5f4e13f1-82a4-08a5-db35-60d2052dd208@forestfield.org> I wrote: > And there's more about both Democracy Now and The Intercept from Jimmy Dore & Aaron > Mat? coming soon courtesy of tonight's live Jimmy Dore show. https://youtube.com/watch?v=mLJeUah-Qcw -- "Intercept Spying On Regular People Instead Of The Powerful" https://youtube.com/watch?v=_hZ4VvQOKjQ -- "Intercept's Pro-War Propaganda Exposed By Real Journalists" are two clips from last night's show. These clips are very informative. From jbn at forestfield.org Fri May 7 22:16:13 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 17:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Hillary Clinton calls for "global reckoning with disinformation" context from Sarah Abdallah Message-ID: The Hill https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1390314674491691015 > Hillary Clinton calls for "global reckoning with disinformation" hill.cm/eL5GNv0 and Sarah Abdallah responds in https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1390387597185142784 > Hillary Clinton, who championed the lies behind the genocidal wars in Afghanistan, > Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, wants to have a chat about disinformation. From jbn at forestfield.org Sat May 8 00:02:41 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 19:02:41 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What The Intercept tells us establishment media is for In-Reply-To: <5f4e13f1-82a4-08a5-db35-60d2052dd208@forestfield.org> References: <5f4b15bd-5959-7ba5-d6d5-a920edfd4057@forestfield.org> <5f4e13f1-82a4-08a5-db35-60d2052dd208@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <28218c70-3156-fd55-45c3-cdde4c8dd1b0@forestfield.org> I wrote: > And there's more about both Democracy Now and The Intercept from Jimmy Dore & Aaron > Mat? coming soon courtesy of tonight's live Jimmy Dore show. > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=mLJeUah-Qcw -- "Intercept Spying On Regular People > Instead Of The Powerful" > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=_hZ4VvQOKjQ -- "Intercept's Pro-War Propaganda Exposed By > Real Journalists" And from Democracy Now (DN) -- a deleted tweet that points out what a warmonger Joe Biden is way too late for that information to help anyone see DN as adversarial journalism and way too late to help someone do something about the belligerency. https://youtube.com/watch?v=mBzf00uVeHk -- "'Democracy Now' Deletes Tweets White-Washing Biden's Dirty Wars" -- Jimmy Dore with Aaron Mat? From jbn at forestfield.org Sat May 8 22:41:14 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 17:41:14 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] John Kiriakou on Obama/Biden just before Kiriakou was sent to prison for letting us know more about our torture program Message-ID: An old John Kiriakou interview conducted shortly before he went to prison for releasing info on US's torture program. The interview is still pertinent and it helps put the entire Obama/Biden administration into context. https://youtube.com/watch?v=kXI_U2w0WSM -J From jbn at forestfield.org Sun May 9 23:38:34 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 18:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jimmy Dore likes some alternatives, eschews others. Why? Message-ID: <0fdfe212-ac88-7853-63d8-bbbea6181238@forestfield.org> I'm suspicious that there's a new problem for Jimmy Dore & co. to face up to regarding which alternatives are recommendable and which are not to be taken seriously. In https://youtube.com/watch?v=ySfGLCk_1hw ("Google CAUGHT Helping CIA Spy On You") he reviews a CBS News article which details how search engine giant Google and the CIA are working together; Google will remove from its search engine (misleadingly called "wiped from the web" in the article, a problematic conflation which The Jimmy Dore show doesn't critique[1]) articles which US agencies want to make harder to find. Around 14m17s into the recording, Jimmy Dore mockingly said: > Jimmy Dore: So, big deal, there's alternatives to Google and to Twitter and > Facebook. There's alternatives! Just like there's alternatives from flying from > L.A. to New York -- you could walk. That's an alternative. Yes, choosing another search engine may be less convenient. But hardly comparably arduous to walking thousands of miles. But, more to the important point, why not support alternatives that don't treat you so badly? Popularity of Google can't be the reason. The Democratic Party receives a lot of support from many Americans but Dore has gone on his show multiple times to point out that people who think they'll elect self-styled progressives to office via the Democratic Party are "chumps" (to use a word Dore often uses). Choosing to support something that treats you badly (the source of being called a chump) can't be the reason either. Dore, correctly, no longer finds the Democrats to be worthy of his support. He's said (in between segments one can either see in the live broadcast or via recordings available to paid subscribers) that that he has given money to The People's Party instead; a new political party one might think of as an alternative to the Democratic Party. People's Party founder Nick Brana has made repeated appearances on The Jimmy Dore show. But, for Jimmy Dore, pushing for people to use an alternative to Google is worthy of being mocked. So perhaps alternatives, no matter how difficult the fight, are worth considering based on what they're attempting to do and the viability of their effort. Hence it makes sense for progressives to do as Dore has recommended -- not vote for or fund Democratic Party politicians -- and instead support parties and independent candidates whose voting record (for those with a record) and plans (for those without a voting record) seem amenable. When it comes to web search engines, maybe it makes sense to use a search engine that purports not to track users (like Startpage.com and DuckDuckGo.com) or a popular search engine proxy which will help hide one's searches from being tracked. Perhaps it's also worth considering not running proprietary software including Google's browser, Google's operating system Android, and it's worth avoiding Google's other services like GMail and YouTube, opt instead for hosting one's email oneself with another organization (or via the FreedomBox in one's own home) and using one's own domain name. Each of these will help develop one's profile with the proprietor (Google, in this case), something one should wish to avoid. YouTube replacements include Invidious (for a YouTube front-end -- see https://github.com/iv-org/documentation/blob/master/Invidious-Instances.md for a list of Invidious instances), and a variety of other video hosters available online. Apple is problematic too: Apple's options are no better than Google's because Apple is a proprietor with a horrible security record (see https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html for more) and history of partnership with the NSA (see and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Prism_slide_5.jpg and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Prism_slide_5w.png for more on Apple's joining the NSA's PRISM program in October 2012). A comparable story exists for Microsoft as well. Technical replacements are difficult to evaluate and I don't recommend getting IT advice from Jimmy Dore. But even without IT expertise, Dore could do a better job understanding and conveying when it's good to consider another means of getting a job done and even when it's good to consider a job ought not be done at all. [1] Hiding or burying pointers to published resources doesn't make the published resource go away, it only makes that resource harder to find in that search engine. One can get a lot of value from, for example, other people pointing to published documents like the article https://on.rt.com/b7q1 which points to https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ANDREW_S-FIXER_SHE_S-THE-DAUGHTER-OF-ROBERT-MAXWELL-AND.pdf -- a now harder-to-find article which mentions a relationship between Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein which is likely highly embarrassing to Gates (hence the reason it's harder to find in popular search engines). As one can tell from the URL, MintPress still publishes the article. From r-szoke at illinois.edu Mon May 10 22:27:59 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 22:27:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What they say . . . Message-ID: Most Republicans Say They Doubt the Election. How Many Really Mean It? Emily Badger NYT Mon, November 30, 2020 <== NOTE the date. Since the election, surveys have consistently found that about 70% to 80% of Republicans don?t buy the results. They don?t agree that Joe Biden won fair and square. They say the election was rigged. And they say enough fraud occurred to tip the outcome. Those numbers sound alarmingly high, and they imply that the overwhelming majority of people in one political party in America doubt the legitimacy of a presidential election. But the reality is more complicated, political scientists say. Research has shown that the answers that partisans (on the left as well as on the right) give to political questions often reflect not what they know as fact, but what they wish were true. Or what they think they should say. It is incredibly hard to separate sincere belief from wishful thinking from what political scientists call partisan cheerleading. But on this topic especially, the distinctions matter a lot. Are Republican voters merely expressing support for the president by standing by his claims of fraud ? in effectively the same way Republicans in Congress have ? or have they accepted widespread fraud as true? Do these surveys suggest a real erosion in faith in American elections, or something more familiar, and temporary? ? ? Some related questions for the cognoscenti, intelligentsia, literati, digerati & others : Do your statements ? esp. about politics or religion ? ever reflect primarily what you WISH or HOPE is true ? Do your statements reflect what you think (or have been told) you SHOULD (or should NOT) say, esp. as an X, where X = adult, teenager, comedian, (class) clown, smartass, badass, feminist, liberal, conservative, elitist, radical, rebel, revolutionary, socialist, patriot, (REAL) American, Christian, gentleman/lady, intellectual, Marxian, Freudian, apparatchik, functionary, anti-racist, worker, poet, pirate, pundit, or member of some other social group, tribe or demographic ? ~ RSz. 5/10/21 # # # From r-szoke at illinois.edu Mon May 10 22:27:59 2021 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 22:27:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What they say . . . Message-ID: Most Republicans Say They Doubt the Election. How Many Really Mean It? Emily Badger NYT Mon, November 30, 2020 <== NOTE the date. Since the election, surveys have consistently found that about 70% to 80% of Republicans don?t buy the results. They don?t agree that Joe Biden won fair and square. They say the election was rigged. And they say enough fraud occurred to tip the outcome. Those numbers sound alarmingly high, and they imply that the overwhelming majority of people in one political party in America doubt the legitimacy of a presidential election. But the reality is more complicated, political scientists say. Research has shown that the answers that partisans (on the left as well as on the right) give to political questions often reflect not what they know as fact, but what they wish were true. Or what they think they should say. It is incredibly hard to separate sincere belief from wishful thinking from what political scientists call partisan cheerleading. But on this topic especially, the distinctions matter a lot. Are Republican voters merely expressing support for the president by standing by his claims of fraud ? in effectively the same way Republicans in Congress have ? or have they accepted widespread fraud as true? Do these surveys suggest a real erosion in faith in American elections, or something more familiar, and temporary? ? ? Some related questions for the cognoscenti, intelligentsia, literati, digerati & others : Do your statements ? esp. about politics or religion ? ever reflect primarily what you WISH or HOPE is true ? Do your statements reflect what you think (or have been told) you SHOULD (or should NOT) say, esp. as an X, where X = adult, teenager, comedian, (class) clown, smartass, badass, feminist, liberal, conservative, elitist, radical, rebel, revolutionary, socialist, patriot, (REAL) American, Christian, gentleman/lady, intellectual, Marxian, Freudian, apparatchik, functionary, anti-racist, worker, poet, pirate, pundit, or member of some other social group, tribe or demographic ? ~ RSz. 5/10/21 # # # From jbn at forestfield.org Wed May 12 00:08:45 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 19:08:45 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your pointers to Jason Liggett (jcliggett at urbanaillinois.us). I routinely ask him to prioritize AWARE members pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. -J RT https://youtube.com/watch?v=PC_sh5DygPM (28m) -- "Renegade Inc | Workers - Don't Just Organise, Unionise!" Empire Files with Abby Martin https://youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s (1h 23m 58s) -- "Gaza Fights For Freedom (2019) | Full Documentary | Directed by Abby Martin" -- a very important (and, sadly, still timely) documentary on how we're complicit in Israel killing Palestinians MintPressNews https://youtube.com/watch?v=7di4ZhTpu0c (10m 23s) -- "Meet The Neo-Nazi Advising Colombian Police On How To Break The National Strike" Grayzone https://youtube.com/watch?v=S-ZGdAi8Ji0 (1h 28m 14s) -- "Economist Michael Hudson on new cold war, Super Imperialism, China & Russia, dedollarization" laborvideo https://youtube.com/watch?v=KZfdLhg-CoQ (24m 02s) -- "CCSF Faculty & Students Rally & Speak-out As AFT 2121 Leaders Make Major Concessions On Salaries" Reaction to the CIA's latest "woke" ad campaign: RT & Empire Files. https://youtube.com/watch?v=T_6RBnMP4yk (2m 01s) -- "HUMANS OF RT* (*Spoof of THAT CIA video)" https://youtube.com/watch?v=TsoA-QGHJPA (7m 01s) -- "The Woke CIA PsyOp" From jbn at forestfield.org Wed May 12 23:59:03 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 18:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Max Blumenthal on Jimmy Dore show regarding Israel government killing Palestinians with US backing Message-ID: <7d4d7a5d-5af9-5386-7665-e60753b76022@forestfield.org> Last night's Jimmy Dore live show with The Grayzone's -- https://thegrayzone.com/ -- Max Blumenthal was quite informative particularly for an anti-war group such as AWARE: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7dbLAiEdQv4 -- "DISGUSTING: Biden Admin Neutral On Child Murder" https://youtube.com/watch?v=E1wKxfT0URo -- "CAUGHT: NY Times Deceptively Editing Out Truth About Israel" Both segments are worth watching. Unfortunately we can't play these segments on UPTV due to prohibitions on speech. But please don't let that stop you from watching the segments and engaging in discussion or debate. -J From jbn at forestfield.org Fri May 14 01:41:00 2021 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 20:41:00 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Max Blumenthal on Jimmy Dore show regarding Israel government killing Palestinians with US backing In-Reply-To: <7d4d7a5d-5af9-5386-7665-e60753b76022@forestfield.org> References: <7d4d7a5d-5af9-5386-7665-e60753b76022@forestfield.org> Message-ID: I wrote: > Last night's Jimmy Dore live show with The Grayzone's -- https://thegrayzone.com/ -- > Max Blumenthal was quite informative particularly for an anti-war group such as AWARE: > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=7dbLAiEdQv4 -- "DISGUSTING: Biden Admin Neutral On Child > Murder" > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=E1wKxfT0URo -- "CAUGHT: NY Times Deceptively Editing Out > Truth About Israel" There's another segment of the interview: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_dLfjk1i_hY -- "Silencing Supporters Of B.D.S." In this segment they bring up: - Abby Martin's lawsuit against Georgia for making her sign "a speech oath to be muzzled" (as Blumenthal rightly put it) before she could speak at a state organization, and other speech censorship (Assange, others). - the need for Congress (particularly the so-called "progressive" members) to endorse BDS which none have. - and some joking; this is Jimmy Dore's show after all. Perhaps there will be one video with the full interview posted later on. From carl at newsfromneptune.com Tue May 18 02:18:33 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 21:18:33 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Dan Estabrook: Wunderkammer, at the Halsey Institute References: <0E142742-8515-4EC2-8B79-F919315A42F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11F52E24-3D41-4838-8304-A555ED0FCC85@newsfromneptune.com> > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Dan Estabrook > Subject: Dan Estabrook: Wunderkammer, at the Halsey Institute > Date: May 17, 2021 at 11:51:41 AM CDT > To: Dan Estabrook > > Hello all, > > Please check out my current exhibition of photographs and sculptures, on view now through July 17th at the Halsey Institute of Contemporary Art in Charleston, SC: https://halsey.cofc.edu/main-exhibitions/wunderkammer/ > > Snapshots of the installation can be seen here: http://danestabrook.com/portfolio/wunderkammer/ > > If you can, join us on Tuesday, May 18, 7:00 PM EDT for an Artist Talk, online at halsey.cofc.edu/live > > Yours sincerely, > Dan > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Dan Estabrook > *Subject: **Dan Estabrook: Wunderkammer, at the Halsey Institute* > *Date: *May 17, 2021 at 11:51:41 AM CDT > *To: *Dan Estabrook > > Hello all, > > Please check out my current exhibition of photographs and sculptures, on > view now through July 17th at the Halsey Institute of Contemporary Art in > Charleston, SC: https://halsey.cofc.edu/main-exhibitions/wunderkammer/ > > Snapshots of the installation can be seen here: > http://danestabrook.com/portfolio/wunderkammer/ > > If you can, join us on Tuesday, May 18, 7:00 PM EDT for an Artist Talk, > online at halsey.cofc.edu/live > > Yours sincerely, > Dan > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: KillingABunny.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25563 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed May 19 02:43:35 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 21:43:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV In-Reply-To: <42a71fa8-c303-b9f6-9419-72074b7470e6@forestfield.org> References: <42a71fa8-c303-b9f6-9419-72074b7470e6@forestfield.org> Message-ID: J.B. The Analysis, is very worthwhile. Phyllis Bennis does an excellent job of presenting a reasonable analysis and suggestion of reparations, though when did the USG ever pay reparations for the damage done by our government? Larry Wilkerson was a real disappointment, given he has been criticizing the USG for our interventions and destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan for sometime now. Yes, he takes a strategic geo-political position which is necessary, but as Phyllis points out, he does it as the USG, opposing China and Russia, which is exactly why the US is there in the first place, beginning with the Carter Administration in 1979 when Zbigniew Berezinski began his policy of arming the Taliban to give Russia their Vietnam. A lot could be said in reference to Wilkerson?s bringing up Korea, but as Paul Jay said, let?s stick to Afghanistan. I wasn?t able to finish the podcast tonight, but was it ever noted that pulling out our troops to send elsewhere, we?re not bringing them home, we?re still leaving our ?advisors,? ?contractors" and trained mercenaries, etc., because I don?t believe for a moment we will ever leave Afghanistan. Please see below from Leo Zhou: "The photos are of urban Afghanistan under the socialist government which took power in 1979. But the under educated and very religious farmers in the rural areas of that time were not big fans. The USA saw this opportunity, and took it: by funding religious fundamentalists in the country side, creating the Mujahideen, headed by a "freedom fighter" called Osama Bin Laden, to mount a rebellion against the socialist government. The socialist government of Afghanistan then asked the USSR for help. A fundamentalist theocracy next door was the last thing the Soviets wanted, so answered the invitation, and sent troops to Afghanistan to help preserve the socialism that you see in the photos. Then the USA military entered, justified by lies: "to protect Afghanistan from the USSR and from religious Fundamentalism". By the year 2000, Osama had kind of began to understand, and the militant extremists became anti-USA. And we all know what happened after 9/11." > On May 16, 2021, at 7:23 PM, J.B. Nicholson via Peace wrote: > > Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. > > As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your pointers to Jason Liggett (jcliggett at urbanaillinois.us). I routinely ask him to prioritize AWARE members pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. > > I won't submit videos for a couple of weeks due to a very busy personal and work schedule, so this should last while I'm unable to get time to watch and collect links for appropriate videos for these timeslots. > > -J > > > > > > > > > > Katie Halper > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=HLVJYmRvvKQ (1h 39m 45s) -- "Norman Finkelstein on Israel & What's happening Here" > > > > MintPressNews > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=KV_ACbhN1ik (35m 54s) -- ""Impossible To Deal With The Number Of Casualties" - Gaza Doctor Warns Of Imminent Israeli Assault" > > > > RT > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=qqxS5OMXOGQ (17m 31s) -- "Roger Waters | Israel won?t change its ?murderous? policies unless the govt is pressured" > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=QSToH4lkEpU (2m 6s) -- "'Hamas uses population as human shield' | IDF spokesperson to RT" > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=iv0QASuZWLw (27m 21s) -- "Palestinian and Israeli hostilities" -- Chris Hedges interviews Dr. Sami Al-Arian > > > > theAnalysis.news > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZRpJGnCANTY (37m 40s) -- "Does the U.S. Owe Reparations to Afghanistan, Should U.S. Troops Leave? ? Bennis & Wilkerson" -- interesting and sensible responses from Phyllis Bennis and Larry Wilkerson is there to make the argument for continued US occupation. Paul Jay offers his response which quickly marginalizes any moral response -- let Afghans decide what to do with their country -- to Bennis to bring up at all. Paul Jay brings his usual neither-nor viewpoint to this at one point saying "I have particularly no interest or care whether the United States remains a predominant player in that region" (29m 09s). I think Phyllis Bennis is worth hearing from so I recommend this segment almost entirely on that basis. > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZHEixyYoXiw (43m 09s) -- "Israel's War on Palestine - Ali Abunimah" > > > > World Socialist Web Site > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=BAV2HvHqCek (3m 14s) -- "Striking Jacobs Douwe Egberts workers in the UK speak out against fire and rehire" > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=9Dsm7dG-HVg (2h 9m 21s) -- "When the workers took power: 150 Years since the Paris Commune" > > > > laborvideo > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=OBhACvTjq8k (46m 32s) -- "May Day 2021! Time For Labor Unity & Voices In San Francisco Of Working People" > > https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ZL9cSolNFw (6m 49s) -- "On Workers Memorial Day 2021 Former OSHA WPP Lawyer & Investigator Darrell Whitman Speaks Out!" > > > > Grayzone > > You can get this video from either site: > https://youtube.com/watch?v=xRoPOX_W9QY (1h 36m 49s) -- "Killing Gaza" > https://vimeo.com/549520612 (1h 36m 49s) -- "Killing Gaza" > > https://twitter.com/KillingGaza/status/1393599322881671174 encourages us to share this movie: >> In light of the mass-murder campaign Israel is carrying out in the Gaza Strip, we have now made the documentary ?Killing Gaza? free. It?s available in English, Spanish, Arabic, French, German and Portuguese. 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