From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Oct  1 18:11:16 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 18:11:16 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Women's March, 10/2
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Fri Oct  1 19:59:38 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:59:38 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: A Company Family: The Untold History of Obama
 and the CIA
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Oct  3 04:10:18 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 23:10:18 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Andrew Cockburn on American war lust and his new
 book "Spoils of War"
Message-ID: <7b90247567665cfcb4c21b26a0533a9f@forestfield.org>

Andrew Cockburn brilliantly documents the motivations behind the U.S. 
military?s war lust in his new book, ?Spoils of War.?
https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/podcast-download.kcrw.com/kcrw/audio/podcast/etc/si/KCRW-scheer_intelligence-war_racket_pentago_andrew_cockburn-211001.mp3

Scheer Intelligence (RSS feed)
https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/scheer-intelligence/rss.xml

where you can find the above (including that description) and plenty of 
other audio programs.

-J

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Oct  3 04:17:16 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 23:17:16 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Tulsi Gabbard
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On 2021-09-29 08:52 AM, karen aram via Peace-discuss wrote:
> It was clear from the beginning she supported drone warfare, and
> AIPAC, thus her stand as "anti-war" was false. She is now revealing
> herself in her appearance on FOX.

I concur, hence my input in:

https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2021-September/053124.html
https://digitalcitizen.info/2019/02/13/is-tulsi-gabbard-really-anti-war-no-shes-pro-drone-and-for-surgical-strikes/

I'm guessing that if Bruce A. Dixon of Black Agenda Report were alive, 
he'd have pointed out what a sheepherder she'd make for the Democrats. 
She might still do just that in some upcoming election.

-J

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  3 13:17:11 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 08:17:11 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Credible economist Michael Hudson on China
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https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/535759-china-economic-growth-western-investment/

From jbn at forestfield.org  Mon Oct  4 00:53:57 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 19:53:57 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Tulsi Gabbard
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karen aram via Peace-discuss wrote:
> It was clear from the beginning she supported drone warfare, and AIPAC, thus her
> stand as "anti-war" was false. She is now revealing herself in her appearance on
> FOX.

According to Business Insider at 
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/killer-drone-hunted-down-human-target-without-being-told-un-2021-5 
from 2021-05-30 the news about drones gets worse for all of us -- an autonomous drone 
"hunted down a human target" without being told to for the first time:

> A "lethal" weaponized drone "hunted down a human target" without being told to for
> the first time, according to a UN report seen by the New Scientist.
> 
> The March 2020 incident saw a KARGU-2 quadcopter autonomously attack a human
> during a conflict between Libyan government forces and a breakaway military
> faction, led by the Libyan National Army's Khalifa Haftar, the Daily Star
> reported.
> 
> The Turkish-built KARGU-2, a deadly attack drone designed for asymmetric warfare
> and anti-terrorist operations, targeted one of Haftar's soldiers while he tried to
> retreat, according to the paper.


From moboct1 at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 01:48:46 2021
From: moboct1 at aol.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 01:48:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Andrew Cockburn on American war lust and his
 new book "Spoils of War"
In-Reply-To: <7b90247567665cfcb4c21b26a0533a9f@forestfield.org>
References: <7b90247567665cfcb4c21b26a0533a9f@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <1806538344.707978.1633312126276@mail.yahoo.com>

FOR A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO ANDREW COCKBURN'S LATEST BOOK, SPOILS OF WAR, SEE HIS ARTICLE IN NATION MAGAZINE (nation.com september 20-27 page 24) "WHY AMERICA GOES TO WAR," (spoiler alert, subtitled "MONEY DRIVES THE US WAR MACHINE," AN EXPOSE OF FRAUDULENT "SECURITY").? IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED?READING FOR EVERYONE IN U.S. CONGRESS AND GOVERNMENT,? AS WELL AS ADVOCATES FOR?PEACE AND REASON.
Midge


-----Original Message-----
From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
Sent: Sat, Oct 2, 2021 11:10 pm
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Andrew Cockburn on American war lust and his new book "Spoils of War"

Andrew Cockburn brilliantly documents the motivations behind the U.S. 
military?s war lust in his new book, ?Spoils of War.?
https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/podcast-download.kcrw.com/kcrw/audio/podcast/etc/si/KCRW-scheer_intelligence-war_racket_pentago_andrew_cockburn-211001.mp3

Scheer Intelligence (RSS feed)
https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/scheer-intelligence/rss.xml

where you can find the above (including that description) and plenty of 
other audio programs.

-J
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 14:56:15 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:56:15 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Truthout: To Deter Israeli Strikes on Gaza,
 US House Reps Should Prepare Floor Fight
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Isn't it striking how the adversary is trying to repeal the War Powers
Resolution, just as we're trying to invoke it?

Prior to the stealthy introduction with cat-like tread of the Khanna-Massie
Yemen War Powers Resolution in 2017, the adversary wasn't too bothered by
the existence of the War Powers Resolution. Who cares if there's a forty
year old law, gathering dust in the attic, if nobody's going to bother
trying to use it? Who cares if there's a forty year old law, gathering dust
in the attic, if Pelosi and Hoyer can intimidate everyone into silence?
"Whatever you do, don't go near the attic. Don't you *dare* go fishing
around in the attic, looking for some forty year old law that you
mistakenly think you can use now. Remember what we did to Dennis Kucinich."

But now that we're actually trying to use the War Powers Resolution to
challenge, end and prevent unconstitutional wars, suddenly it is claimed by
some that repealing the WPR is a much more urgent matter of public business
than ending unconstitutional U.S. participation in the Saudi regime
deliberate-famine war and blockade against civilians in Yemen. And don't
even think about trying to have a debate and vote about I-word, or about
what I-word is doing to civilians in Gaza. "If voting changed anything,
they'd abolish it." The sun rises, and the sun sets, and there is nothing
new under the sun.

https://truthout.org/articles/to-deter-israeli-strikes-on-gaza-us-house-reps-should-prepare-floor-fight/

To Deter Israeli Strikes on Gaza, US House Reps Should Prepare Floor Fight
BY Robert Reuel Naiman <https://truthout.org/authors/robert-naiman/>,
Truthout <https://truthout.org/>PUBLISHEDOctober 3, 2021

There is a substantial grassroots clamor for floor fights in the House to
oppose unconditional U.S. military aid to Israel. This grassroots clamor
would be much better served, however, if the floor fights were focused not
on funding for the Iron Dome missile defense system but instead on Israeli
military abuses of Palestinian civilians.

The main reason that the focus has been about Iron Dome funding in the past
is because that was the terrain chosen by the American Israel Public
Affairs Committee (AIPAC), House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority
Leader Steny Hoyer ? likely because it was the terrain they could best use
to isolate and marginalize dissenters.

But there are paths dissenters can use to force their way to the floor on
their own terms, rather than on the terms set by AIPAC, Pelosi and Hoyer.
One such path is amendments to the National Defense Authorization Act
(NDAA). Another such path is invoking the War Powers Resolution of 1973.
Each of these paths has its advantages and disadvantages if used alone; but
they can be used in combination, getting the advantages of both. These
paths can reorient the floor fights to discuss goals like ending the
Israeli-Egyptian blockade of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and ending the
Israeli military demolitions of Palestinian homes in the West Bank.

There is a substantial grassroots clamor for floor fights in the House to
oppose unconditional U.S. military aid to Israel. This grassroots clamor
would be much better served, however, if the floor fights were focused not
on funding for the Iron Dome missile defense system but instead on Israeli
military abuses of Palestinian civilians.

The main reason that the focus has been about Iron Dome funding in the past
is because that was the terrain chosen by the American Israel Public
Affairs Committee (AIPAC), House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority
Leader Steny Hoyer ? likely because it was the terrain they could best use
to isolate and marginalize dissenters.

But there are paths dissenters can use to force their way to the floor on
their own terms, rather than on the terms set by AIPAC, Pelosi and Hoyer.
One such path is amendments to the National Defense Authorization Act
(NDAA). Another such path is invoking the War Powers Resolution of 1973.
Each of these paths has its advantages and disadvantages if used alone; but
they can be used in combination, getting the advantages of both. These
paths can reorient the floor fights to discuss goals like ending the
Israeli-Egyptian blockade of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and ending the
Israeli military demolitions of Palestinian homes in the West Bank.

The recent floor fight on supplemental funding for the Iron Dome missile
defense system proves that there is substantial grassroots clamor for a
floor fight in the House to oppose unconditional U.S. military aid to
Israel.

There were nine votes in opposition. There are likely many more votes to be
had in the House against unconditional military aid to Israel, but these
votes are not likely to emerge if the fight continues to be framed around
the question of funding for the Iron Dome, which is widely perceived as a
defensive weapon protecting Israeli civilians from Hamas rockets. This
makes it relatively easy for AIPAC to mobilize its supporters. If AIPAC had
to try to mobilize its supporters to defend knocking down Palestinian homes
in the West Bank, or to defend preventing Palestinian children from leaving
Gaza to get medical treatment for cancer, its task wouldn?t be so easy.

There would be many more votes for a fight against an offensive weapon
being used to attack civilians, in violation of the Arms Export Control
Act, which is U.S. law. (Note that Israeli military bulldozers being used
to knock down Palestinian homes are such a weapon ? indeed the weapon that
killed Rachel Corrie
<https://truthout.org/articles/rachel-corrie-responsible-for-own-death-israeli-court-rules/>
.)

The main obstacle to this approach is that on a typical day, Pelosi and
Hoyer control what sees the light of day on the House floor. But the
Pelosi-Hoyer opposition can be overcome in two ways: forcing the House
Rules Committee to allow a vote on an NDAA amendment by threatening to vote
with Republicans to take down the rule if the amendment is not allowed, as
Rep. Jamaal Bowman just did
<https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-war-us-congressman-jamaal-bowman-end-military-presence-ndaa-defense-bill>
 on his Syria War Powers amendment, or by going straight to the floor with
a privileged War Powers Resolution to end unauthorized (and therefore
unconstitutional) U.S. participation in hostilities, as Rep. Ro Khanna has
done
<https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2021-09/glimmers-hope-house-action-military-policy>
 against U.S. participation in the Saudi war and blockade on civilians in
Yemen.
The Case for NDAA Amendment, Compared to War Powers Resolution

The timing and process of the House NDAA consideration is somewhat
predictable. Any member of the House can offer an amendment. It?s an
authorization bill, so lawmakers can offer conditional prohibitions, which
can attract much more support than straight prohibitions, and foster debate
and focus on specific abuses. These follow the structure of ?prohibit X,
unless Y.?

For example, the Bowman Syria War Powers Amendment didn?t just say Get out
of Syria. It said: Get out of Syria, unless you pass a specific statutory
authorization for the use of military force, as required by the
Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

So on an NDAA amendment, a conditional prohibition could say something like:
 Export of such-and-such weapon to Israel is prohibited, unless the
secretary of state certifies that the Israeli-Egyptian blockade against
civilians in Gaza is over. Or: Export of such-and-such weapon to Israel is
prohibited, unless the secretary of state certifies that this weapon is not
going to be used to knock down Palestinian homes in the West Bank.

Compared to invoking the War Powers Resolution, offering NDAA amendments is
widely seen among House Members as ?playing by the rules,? not being ?too
radical,? not directly attacking the power of the House leadership to
determine what comes to the floor. Bowman proved with his Syria War Powers
Amendment that with the support of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, he
could force a floor vote on a War Powers amendment that the House
Democratic leadership didn?t want to allow a vote on.
The Case for War Powers Resolution, Compared to NDAA Amendment

Lawmakers can introduce a privileged War Powers Resolution and force their
way to the floor
<https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-joint-resolution/29/text?r=2&s=1>
 any day the House is in session, which means the dissenters get to choose
the timing that suits them best, like when a war is taking place, or when
the Saudi dictator happens to be visiting the United States, as Senators
Sanders, Lee and Murphy did in March 2018 when they brought their Yemen War
Powers Resolution to a vote. Sponsors of a War Powers Resolution enjoy the
full focus of activists and the media, because their resolution is the only
thing happening on the floor, unlike the NDAA, which is a fire hydrant of
amendments, each one only getting a little bit of the focus and attention.

Here?s the beauty: these two strategies can be used in complementary
combination, as Khanna has done on Yemen War Powers. He turned to the War
Powers Resolution when House leadership wouldn?t allow a vote on his
amendment against refueling the Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen. Once the
Yemen War Powers issue was publicly joined in view of the multitude, once
the issue was already joined in the media, House leadership didn?t dare try
to block his amendments any more. And he still had ? and still has ? the
Yemen War Powers Resolution threat, any time he wants.

If House members adopt a strategy similar to what I have suggested here,
the lawmakers could offer conditional prohibitions as part of a bill that
functions as a public preview and preparatory organizing vehicle for
amendments. For example, a bill could stipulate that ?the export of
such-and-such weapon to Israel is prohibited, unless the secretary of state
certifies that the Israeli-Egyptian blockade of civilians in Gaza is over.?
They could then get co-sponsors for the bill and popularize the idea, and
when the opportunity for an amendment comes, they could introduce the
amendment. To force a floor vote on the amendment requires political
pressure on the House leadership. Previous organizing around the bill that
had the same ideas as the amendment would make it much easier to quickly
organize support for the amendment, thereby increasing pressure on the
House leadership to allow a floor vote. Once a floor vote on the amendment
is forced, previous organizing around the bill with the same ideas would
make it much easier to get other lawmakers to vote for the amendment,
because they would have already supported the idea previously, or at least
would have been lobbied to support the idea.

After laying the groundwork with this organizing, the lawmakers who offered
the conditional prohibitions would be ready to respond quickly the next
time that Israel attacks civilians in Gaza: the lawmakers could call the
question immediately on U.S. participation on the House floor by invoking
the War Powers Resolution, proposing a straight prohibition of U.S.
participation in Israel?s attacks.

Organizing in advance around a vote to prohibit U.S. participation in a
future war could serve three vital purposes: 1) To deter Israel from having
another Gaza war; 2) To pressure Israel to end the Gaza blockade; 3) To be
ready for a House floor fight to end the war, if the war deterrence fails
and if the pressure to end the blockade also fails.

During the recent Gaza war, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and
Senator Bernie Sanders introduced Resolutions of Disapproval against a
U.S.-Israeli arms deal that had just been notified by the Biden
administration to Congress. The media coverage of these efforts added
significantly to the pressure on President Biden and Israeli Prime Minister
Netanyahu to agree to an immediate ceasefire. But because the opportunity
to oppose such a weapons deal depends on the administration?s notification
of the deal to Congress, the timing of which is controlled by the
administration, it is impossible to know in advance if there will be such
an opportunity, and what the opportunity will be. Thus, in order to prepare
in advance, it is necessary to prepare something else. Moreover, under
current law, a Resolution of Disapproval on a weapons deal cannot be used
to force a vote in the House, only in the Senate. So to force a vote in the
House requires preparing something else.

It is a key strategy of defenders of the status quo to try to ensure that
the only vote on Israel-Palestine on the House floor is a vote on Iron Dome
funding, to isolate and marginalize critics of the status quo. In order to
change the current dynamics in the House, it is crucial that we figure out
how to force a floor vote in the House on supporting Palestinian human
rights that is not a vote on Iron Dome funding.
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Fri Oct  8 16:59:01 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 11:59:01 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Ex-CIA Officer Who Led Raid that Captured
 Leading Al Qaeda Suspect Is Now Denouncing CIA for Torturing Him for 20
 Years In Guantanamo
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Oct  9 19:04:02 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 14:04:02 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Democracy Now airing "full CNN reports" now,
 no mention of US government sanctions or targeting
Message-ID: <fa6f4005-2dfe-e854-5cf4-5c174c298966@forestfield.org>

 From Aaron Mat? in https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1446150363686506496
> I wish I could tell the Amy Goodman I once worked for, and learned a lot from,
> that a future Amy Goodman would be approvingly airing *full CNN reports* on
> @democracynow about an African country targeted by the US government.

Democracy Now then "look[ed] at the latest developments with Nima Elbagir, 
award-winning senior international correspondent for CNN, and also air her full 
report documenting ethnic cleansing." and "We?re going to play the full report now, 
courtesy of CNN." in https://www.democracynow.org/2021/10/7/ethiopia

The word "sanction" doesn't appear anywhere in the CNN piece nor in Amy Goodman's 
Nima Elbagir interview according to the aforementioned DN transcript.

Look up sanctions yourself on https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/ and search for 
Country: Ethiopia to see 4 results, 3 of which are linked in the search results list.

From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Oct 10 05:49:45 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 00:49:45 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air,
 News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV
Message-ID: <ce3613c6-7bd7-dd7a-f4b0-f07f74bfa1d5@forestfield.org>

Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, 
and Labor's World View TV.

As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your 
pointers to Jason Liggett (jcliggett at urbanaillinois.us). I routinely ask him to 
prioritize AWARE members pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & 
David Green's pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's pointers 
over mine for Labor's World View TV.

I might not be able to get to add more videos soon, so there are a lot of them in 
this batch.

-J





More Perfect Union

https://youtube.com/watch?v=70tO0EGEeVs (4m 7s) -- "Kellogg's Factory Working 
Conditions EXPOSED"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qtFS1BbE4yU (3m 39s) -- "CVS Workers Win New Fair Contract"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sqmntsf1cis (4m 32s) -- "Netflix & Amazon Film Crew 
EXPOSE Conditions On Set"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=j0-NIyLg7YA (5m 58s) -- "Amazon Worker Died After Being 
Assigned To COVID Testing Team"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sqai3s8apmU (3m 31s) -- "Thousands Of Nurses & Workers In 
New York Just Went On Strike"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9_1Trj4Wskk (3m 11s) -- "What Does It Take To Buy A 
Congressman?"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dIpDlLaISm0 (4m 44s) -- "Postmaster DeJoy's 10-Year Plan 
To DESTROY The Post Office"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rRo6k5CAnJc (3m 17s) -- "Hilton's Dirty Deal For Workers 
& Customers"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BcoH31rZ3vQ (3m 18s) -- "Hollywood Crew Workers Authorize 
STRIKE, Reveal Brutal Working Conditions"

Democracy at Work

https://youtube.com/watch?v=c56LLCYG9fE (29m 19s) -- "Anti-Capitalist Chronicles: The 
Primary Abstractions of Capital"

laborvideo

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LCLouMCSVLo (7m 12s) -- "SF Plumbers & Pipefitters 38 
Fight Homophobia & Substandard Wages By Centric"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2xpMuOBIO8I (6m 20s) -- "IUOE 39 Kaiser Strike Workers 
Solidarity As 700 Continue Picketing"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=n0B_kyIDq3Q (46m 4s) -- "Where Is Drake? UC-AFT Lecturers 
& Unionists Rally For Equality & Justice For Gig Workers At UCB"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dD-7CQ2utls (11m 36s) -- "GIGS UP! UC AFT Lecturers FIGHT 
GIG Slave Labor"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=I8MWxfTYE04 (38m 24s) -- "Zionism, Israel & The Firing Of 
UK University of Bristol Sociologist David Miller" 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wITh0d7dMYA (54m 35s) -- "Stop Union Busting! New Orleans 
ATU1560 Pres Valerie Jefferson Fired By RTA For Defending Workers"

theAnalysis-news

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fHwi1k2zpzE (45m 57s) -- "Pt 1/2 - Paul Jay & Abby Martin 
on Afghanistan and 9/11"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zjmXRORcffE (50m 30s) -- "Pt 2/2 - Paul Jay & Abby Martin 
on Afghanistan, 9/11 & Climate Change"

RT

https://youtube.com/watch?v=USwc_xr9Si0 (26m 36s) -- "Competing systems of power in 
America"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jS-7Cymfg_I (28m 16s) -- "America's Fate: Oligarchy or 
Autocracy."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=k0kSBeGWgmI (26m 50s) -- "The Biggest Prison on Earth"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YI__lkd5eD4 (26m 54s) -- "Anti-Capitalist Chronicles, Part 1"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KAux0DvLZ7g (26m 47s) -- "The Anti-Capitalist Chronicles, 
Part 2"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bnnwKl9c0Uw (26m 36s) -- "The legacy of corporate Democrats"

MintPressNews

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UH4_M6NbqXU (1h 14m 36s) -- "War is a Racket with Lowkey: 
Ex-State Dept. Official Matthew Hoh Speaks Out"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9yRlwVAjugk (57m 56s) -- "Will There Be Another Coup In 
Brazil? With Brian Mier."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2qlUUqHLNY4 (54m 2s) -- "British soldier arrested for 
protesting against Yemen war & arms support for Saudi Arabia"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=M_UFeEBBTtY (1h 34s) -- "Israel's Influence on the Labour 
Party & Purging of Anti-Imperialist Activists"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2lyF0KRa6sg (58m 11s) -- "Why I Quit the British Army: 
Imprisoned Dissident Joe Glenton on Futility of Afghan War"

Consortium News

https://youtube.com/watch?v=pmaUh9u9zoc (11m 50s) -- "John Shipton on the US Appeal 
to extradite his son Julian Assange"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=32-Xbfxmyck (1h 6m) -- "Noam Chomsky AMA with 
Declassified UK"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=p66QpDasvTg (1h 15m 41s) -- "JULIAN ASSANGE: WHAT'S THE 
APPEAL? - Live from Sydney"

Glenn Greenwald

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dmghxi6WzR4 (1h 24m 27s) -- "New Evidence of FBI 
Involvement in the 1/6 Protest -- With Darren Beattie, Who Broke the Story"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kSCrc0MmKHM (27m 55s) -- "The Latest CIA/Media Fraud: 
Claiming Cricket Mating Sounds are a Russian Sonic Microwave Attack"

From gwoodiii3 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 19:23:33 2021
From: gwoodiii3 at gmail.com (Gus Wood)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 14:23:33 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Press Release: Ubuntu Project Champaign-Urbana
 Statement on License Plate Readers
Message-ID: <CAEi8vQVRY3f3sXKSws7w8sr-NeBMpk8NkfH4VPPJy8tfV9kyEA@mail.gmail.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact:

October 12, 2021 Gus Wood

4042138355

The Ubuntu Project Urbana-Champaign is disappointed to learn that the
Champaign city council is considering voting to purchase license plate
readers. Considering the well-documented controversial reputation and
questionable value of license plate readers, the Champaign people need more
information on their effectiveness to justify the installation of such
invasive technology. Even more troubling is that the City has not provided
the citizens of Champaign a chance for detailed policy discussions on how
the council will govern the use of these cameras. A vote on October 11
without several public hearings is rushed and lacks transparency.

The problem lies within the use of license plate readers. First, the city
has not presented any verifiable data to prove this technology reduces gun
violence. In fact, CityLab estimates that between 2016 and 2017, 173 law
enforcement agencies collectively scanned 2.5 billion license plates.
However, those same agencies never reported the effect of this technology
on reducing violent crime nor how they used the license plate scans. Also,
the bureau of Justice Statistics states that 93 percent of police
departments in cities with populations of 1 million or more use their own
license plate readers, which can scan an estimated 2,000 plates per minute.
With such widespread use of this equipment, the fact that there are no
reports on its effectiveness is concerning. Interestingly, violent crime
has not ?fallen? since the implementation of license plate readers, which
points to a serious contradiction: no decrease in violence, but a drastic
increase in surveillance and the potential for violations of civil
liberties.



The research on this technology also notes high error rates. First, the
technology can produce inaccurate ?hot lists,? wrongly identifying
motorists as suspects in the commission of crimes. If hot lists are not
consistently checked, individuals could be pulled over by police for a
false claim of their license being suspended or their car ?fitting the
description? of a vehicle wanted in an investigation. Research also shows
that inaccurate license plate reads are very common. A control trial in
Vallejo, California found that close to 37 percent of scans were misreads.
This is an exceptionally high error rate for a ?new age? technology. It can
mean life, death, or freedom for individuals. The cameras also do not
account for the fact that many family members and friends, especially in
low-income areas, share cars, putting poorer Black and Brown people at
higher surveillance and risk of misidentification. The NYPD used license
plate readers for its widespread surveillance program of Muslim people in
New York and New Jersey. In the early 2010s in Oakland, California, license
plate readers were placed in predominantly Black and Brown neighborhoods,
despite the fact that automobile crimes and offenses predominantly occurred
elsewhere in the city! In other words, there is not enough evidence that
license plate readers are safe and less prone to errors to justify their
purchase and use in Champaign. In fact, the evidence suggests this
technology is disproportionately used to target Black and Brown communities.



Second, the current trend in gun violence in Champaign highlights that
shootings are occurring outside of the most densely Black neighborhoods,
the North End of Champaign. Nonetheless, the police plan to surround the
North End with these cameras, creating a virtual penal area. Why would the
cameras not be deployed in the areas where the shootings have occured? Of
what use are the cameras if they are facing away from the desired location?

Third, individuals placed on a ?hot list? can have their every move
tracked, if desired. As people across the nation continue to protest police
violence and surveillance, license plate cameras offer more invasive means
to diminish our civil liberties. This is not only incredibly dangerous for
any individuals engaging in social protest, but it will also expand the
conflict between the Black community and the police. Additionally, why
would a people reeling for mass racialized incarceration trust the police?s
claim that the cameras will only be used for ?violent crime.? The
technology possesses the capacity to reference vehicles and their owners
who are listed in municipal and federal databases for unpaid parking
tickets or suspected relationships with social and racial justice
organizations.



Fourth, the transparency surrounding the administration of license plate
readers in Champaign County is deeply troubling. We have not received any
information on who has access to the stored data and ?hot lists.?? Nor is
it clear whether historical searches into the database require a warrant
documenting probable cause? We also do not know whether the license plate
readers will be layered with other surveillance systems, such as the
University of Illinois?s campus security camera network? The public has not
been informed as to how long the license plate numbers will be stored, who
will perform the audits of the cameras and whether those audits will be
public information. And lastly, the city has not addressed if and how it
will discipline or prosecute those who abuse the license plate readers for
purposes other than searching for those who commit violent crime.



The fact is that the license plate reader company has zero data to show the
effectiveness of these devices while dozens of studies show the dangers of
this technology. Guided by the empirical data, the city council should
delay the vote on adopting these cameras.

Therefore, we call on the Champaign City Council, the elected
representatives of the citizens of Champaign to delay the vote and demand
transparent data on the use and effectiveness of such invasive and
dangerous technology that will diminish the civil liberties of Black and
Brown and poor people across Champaign County.
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From laurie.nobilette at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 19:37:55 2021
From: laurie.nobilette at gmail.com (Laurel Nobilette)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 14:37:55 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Press Release: Ubuntu Project Champaign-Urbana
 Statement on License Plate Readers
In-Reply-To: <CAEi8vQVRY3f3sXKSws7w8sr-NeBMpk8NkfH4VPPJy8tfV9kyEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEi8vQVRY3f3sXKSws7w8sr-NeBMpk8NkfH4VPPJy8tfV9kyEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABLp3wtTnC2z84LG3Uuo8K0FEVRS2DAVsT=otpYN4UCn3-MeNA@mail.gmail.com>

The City of Urbana is also considering purchasing license plate readers. It
is unclear what (if any) public input is being made available to speak up
and out against this for Urbana residents, or when a decision will be made
on the matter. Residents are currently circulating a petition in favor of
this. I would like to create and circulate a petition against.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 2:24 PM Gus Wood via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact:
>
> October 12, 2021 Gus Wood
>
> 4042138355
>
> The Ubuntu Project Urbana-Champaign is disappointed to learn that the
> Champaign city council is considering voting to purchase license plate
> readers. Considering the well-documented controversial reputation and
> questionable value of license plate readers, the Champaign people need more
> information on their effectiveness to justify the installation of such
> invasive technology. Even more troubling is that the City has not provided
> the citizens of Champaign a chance for detailed policy discussions on how
> the council will govern the use of these cameras. A vote on October 11
> without several public hearings is rushed and lacks transparency.
>
> The problem lies within the use of license plate readers. First, the city
> has not presented any verifiable data to prove this technology reduces gun
> violence. In fact, CityLab estimates that between 2016 and 2017, 173 law
> enforcement agencies collectively scanned 2.5 billion license plates.
> However, those same agencies never reported the effect of this technology
> on reducing violent crime nor how they used the license plate scans. Also,
> the bureau of Justice Statistics states that 93 percent of police
> departments in cities with populations of 1 million or more use their own
> license plate readers, which can scan an estimated 2,000 plates per minute.
> With such widespread use of this equipment, the fact that there are no
> reports on its effectiveness is concerning. Interestingly, violent crime
> has not ?fallen? since the implementation of license plate readers, which
> points to a serious contradiction: no decrease in violence, but a drastic
> increase in surveillance and the potential for violations of civil
> liberties.
>
>
>
> The research on this technology also notes high error rates. First, the
> technology can produce inaccurate ?hot lists,? wrongly identifying
> motorists as suspects in the commission of crimes. If hot lists are not
> consistently checked, individuals could be pulled over by police for a
> false claim of their license being suspended or their car ?fitting the
> description? of a vehicle wanted in an investigation. Research also shows
> that inaccurate license plate reads are very common. A control trial in
> Vallejo, California found that close to 37 percent of scans were misreads.
> This is an exceptionally high error rate for a ?new age? technology. It can
> mean life, death, or freedom for individuals. The cameras also do not
> account for the fact that many family members and friends, especially in
> low-income areas, share cars, putting poorer Black and Brown people at
> higher surveillance and risk of misidentification. The NYPD used license
> plate readers for its widespread surveillance program of Muslim people in
> New York and New Jersey. In the early 2010s in Oakland, California, license
> plate readers were placed in predominantly Black and Brown neighborhoods,
> despite the fact that automobile crimes and offenses predominantly occurred
> elsewhere in the city! In other words, there is not enough evidence that
> license plate readers are safe and less prone to errors to justify their
> purchase and use in Champaign. In fact, the evidence suggests this
> technology is disproportionately used to target Black and Brown communities.
>
>
>
> Second, the current trend in gun violence in Champaign highlights that
> shootings are occurring outside of the most densely Black neighborhoods,
> the North End of Champaign. Nonetheless, the police plan to surround the
> North End with these cameras, creating a virtual penal area. Why would the
> cameras not be deployed in the areas where the shootings have occured? Of
> what use are the cameras if they are facing away from the desired location?
>
> Third, individuals placed on a ?hot list? can have their every move
> tracked, if desired. As people across the nation continue to protest police
> violence and surveillance, license plate cameras offer more invasive means
> to diminish our civil liberties. This is not only incredibly dangerous for
> any individuals engaging in social protest, but it will also expand the
> conflict between the Black community and the police. Additionally, why
> would a people reeling for mass racialized incarceration trust the police?s
> claim that the cameras will only be used for ?violent crime.? The
> technology possesses the capacity to reference vehicles and their owners
> who are listed in municipal and federal databases for unpaid parking
> tickets or suspected relationships with social and racial justice
> organizations.
>
>
>
> Fourth, the transparency surrounding the administration of license plate
> readers in Champaign County is deeply troubling. We have not received any
> information on who has access to the stored data and ?hot lists.?? Nor is
> it clear whether historical searches into the database require a warrant
> documenting probable cause? We also do not know whether the license plate
> readers will be layered with other surveillance systems, such as the
> University of Illinois?s campus security camera network? The public has not
> been informed as to how long the license plate numbers will be stored, who
> will perform the audits of the cameras and whether those audits will be
> public information. And lastly, the city has not addressed if and how it
> will discipline or prosecute those who abuse the license plate readers for
> purposes other than searching for those who commit violent crime.
>
>
>
> The fact is that the license plate reader company has zero data to show
> the effectiveness of these devices while dozens of studies show the dangers
> of this technology. Guided by the empirical data, the city council should
> delay the vote on adopting these cameras.
>
> Therefore, we call on the Champaign City Council, the elected
> representatives of the citizens of Champaign to delay the vote and demand
> transparent data on the use and effectiveness of such invasive and
> dangerous technology that will diminish the civil liberties of Black and
> Brown and poor people across Champaign County.
>
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Oct 15 05:05:07 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 00:05:07 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Breaking Points" with Krystal Ball & Saagar Enjeti
 repeat pro-war propaganda against China
Message-ID: <b4529d9b-1748-27ee-e544-67aeeae20adf@forestfield.org>

Jackson Hinkle lays it out in 
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1448721021020753938 and here's an excerpt 
of his series of posts starting at the aforementioned URL:

> WOW: Breaking Points just did a 14min pro-war propaganda piece against China with 
> @jacobhelberg who is a mouthpiece of the military industrial complex & imperialist
> western governments. Helberg is an adjunct fellow at @CSIS, which is funded
> heavily by the following entities ??
> 
> CSIS is a pro-war think tank propped up by companies such as Boeing, Exxon, 
> Lockheed Martin, General Atomics, BP, Saudi Aramco, General Dynamics, Raytheon, 
> BAE, General Electric, L3, JP Morgan, Citigroup, Gilead & far more. In other 
> words, the who?s who of pro-war corporations.
> 
> CSIS is also HEAVILY funded by governments such as Japan, Taiwan, the United 
> States, UAE, Australia, South Korea, Turkey, Canada, the EU, the UK, & other 
> western allies who by & large support the US?s pro-war agenda against China.
> 
> Helberg is also co-chair of the Brookings Institution China Strategy Working
> Group & was a bundler for the failed Presidential campaign of Pete Buttigieg. From
> 2016 to 2020, Helberg led Google?s product policy efforts to combat
> ?disinformation and foreign interference.? ?
> 
> Surprisingly, @esaagar did not mention any of the aforementioned information to 
> his & @krystalball?s audience ? fundamental journalistic malpractice. Even more 
> shocking were the claims Jacob made on the episode of Breaking Points, which 
> received no push-back from Saagar. ??
> 
> Helberg openly supported the United States arming Taiwan, occupying Chinese land 
> with US forces, training Taiwanese separatists, & advocated the US going to war 
> with China if China ?invades Taiwan.? He also promoted the lie that China has 
> recently ?invaded Taiwan?s airspace.?
> 
> Helberg also claimed the US should be deeply concerned over China potentially
> annexing the ?COUNTRY of Taiwan,? despite the fact that Taiwan is not a country.
> Even the US, UK, & AUS do not recognize Taiwan as a country & observe there is but
> one China and Taiwan is part of China.
> 
> Oddly enough, later in the interview Helberg acknowledges that Taiwan is NOT an 
> independent country ? directly contradicting his earlier pro-war lie surrounding 
> ?annexation of the democratic country of Taiwan.? Again, Saagar and his guest
> host did not challenge Helberg on this.
> 
> The cherry on top was when Helberg made a final sales pitch on behalf of his 
> pro-war sponsors, stating ?the way to restore deterrence is by substantially 
> bolstering the armament and defense apparatus of our allies.? This episode was a 
> call to arms from the arms industry itself.
> 
> Saagar and the Breaking Points crew should formally retract the lies that were 
> bolstered by Helberg. It?s our duty as independent media to challenge the 
> dangerous pro-war propaganda that has brainwashed the majority of the country
> into supporting a war against China.

A bit of history: Ball & Enjeti left The Hill's "Rising" morning news program which 
is now hosted by establishment shill Ryan Grim and Kim Iversen. Iversen had an 
independent YouTube channel and recently moved to Rising.

Regarding Breaking Points being independent: Ball & Enjeti said they'd run Breaking 
Points independently (you need not go further than the first frame of 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GoVCb-Gsj68 to see that claim) but they apparently 
repeat, not object to, the pro-war establishment.

According to https://youtube.com/watch?v=Gm2b6Xv-uz0 Ball & Enjeti
- said that they got 40,000 subscribers,
- said that they put their own money into Breaking Points,
- Enjeti said they "want to build this into a real thing -- we want to take on CNN, 
Fox, and MSNBC. These people are ripping us apart."
- Ball said "Turns out, based on the response we saw yesterday, you guys hate 
corporate media even more than we thought."

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 15 15:35:26 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:35:26 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Documentary's
References: <CH0PR19MB53144B727194BC16BA3DFF2DA3B99@CH0PR19MB5314.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CH0PR19MB5314DAD939C8111012BFE205A3B99@CH0PR19MB5314.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>


> Subject: Fwd: Documentary's for UPTV
> 
> 
> 
>> Subject: Documentary's related to the CIA
>> 1d <https://www.facebook.com/renee.berentsendavis/posts/10223679207079683?__cft__[0]=AZXLY6RpmTRhu1qPBeoUvl3yCIIf0SPjDKblzcXeePc_KJfwqy_5Xdk9H_IjfU15SkF_jVdkAxxce41Cer6x6g3iyM4mREXQO72wQvylu3op4C2ROymuf4AurIW9Jgr7tjtxRE4bkvA8QEvHtGdVMqIw&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-y-R>  ? 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiviUWDi3Ok&list=WL&index=2 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiviUWDi3Ok&list=WL&index=2&fbclid=IwAR2XNQ_nn_TZ9HT3ZpIoCjJGm6r5Bv97C99_qsxFpgPUf0BeT4cv2aV-0YM>
>> 
>> Film, TV Series, Documentaries.
>> China
>> The Beginning of the Great Revival
>> https://youtu.be/x8-GUzTUL2M <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2Fx8-GUzTUL2M%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2zfO0U2kLb8ktMsnt6YhKotg-HxwqanQWOEZB1cv8LhoVXOP9MRc-flF4&h=AT1Pc-dYGp4jPcaa_9H_k4skeAlGtnFq4JHVdSkCATzd6VAPnaRtWkmDR28hO1pp3Cpbn9-A2OKagd4LykAfYyNp-fRjOzZksVJWUlgaS0oRK79pf9MxdFgiUyzgV6zBdsc-u3k&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Zunyi Conference
>> https://youtu.be/dYMjhq-D2QA <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FdYMjhq-D2QA%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR37b3xciXaS0X19MUhXrpgN6YCu4P3SvdTaO82ytNw8d950DDWAR_65fhY&h=AT2n8NJEMey4EQDndgjfFAcgRVd9dLH3wuvFnbjXBth_8ywDSw-sox6dVDFfZWKFmS7siqdD3-HwTPIW0o8SfodZqrk8SLq5ltBfz0BKDe7XZqGZx-5iqJSr8u-9Yxxxtwqpa1E&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> The Legend of 1935
>> https://youtu.be/9-uxs2j2uyY <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F9-uxs2j2uyY%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3jmKwALa83BgpqsAIhmuzZ-75BhJOuHFFai7zbW1M8zlwtBZoZwz5J6e8&h=AT1uLTLgzG1FBX6mXZChlK2KT18iihrreMV56LHcH1aykoiQyJ9CtZtVY7FTMhj7vH-dN-auFHdyeTNEWJqF0P_wBS5gNQ8h7yn7n0Twn464yBLDJP-_lSSQW2YzPR7isLJ2xSc&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> The Hundred Regiments Offensive
>> https://youtu.be/LNGTipr2Zo0 <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FLNGTipr2Zo0%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3jmKwALa83BgpqsAIhmuzZ-75BhJOuHFFai7zbW1M8zlwtBZoZwz5J6e8&h=AT1nkhSnr2kqbhH7CjjqmnT2p4mklblut6YxLCOrzAAejRVfFq1w0ev4lycxLYSUYLkVVGnLw6o7t3QDhwSZM2mXhOCNkukHDJPAVC1PNYDIUCo6O5rb7sqiFmX7BG2mJn20IEs&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> On the Nan Ni Wan Frontier
>> https://youtu.be/6jxQGs6JB7s <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F6jxQGs6JB7s%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0fPD6__Dx0dUpwPNc0nuxrfQok5W8x_m8aPTGtqBMWSFbvuLatWbwbOL4&h=AT28ZKhq5Gmv_wOM7l1-Ur2p37yMCjst16rK0L7lUfqcwDWuOl-eq8X1poEOThUnod107gawkIpKMWPEkwJej5kpzEkz3OjlIc-mA89E17SSeWizRsG92XEg-uvjzlJ1T5axmBs&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> The Snows and China
>> https://youtu.be/G9NSGxjw2ls <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FG9NSGxjw2ls%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0txRZ3HcPQaYtV2_cHS6s-I7SucU38p3Ny1vywyCSYx4r_J4Z9nN8OlVM&h=AT1kd3fuLIZk-VLfpdrTw1BvDdsdn-m0ODsq65Y6DlVxbwBacDL1ohu03JDJBOwInFtZ4p5D4YhjJN0AJXN3FdD3e_8rNT6KPs0btABg8CnLySBfeElFNcAj3HM1KHvFWS3GYnk&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Isabel Crook -China
>> We belonged and this is why we Stayed
>> https://youtu.be/1Lyoq4MSTd8 <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F1Lyoq4MSTd8%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0PABlYybcefNaBTbn7Tw7VZ0y_ppy7P63eNGcbILV4CB6KMd3PIxMTzUA&h=AT2B93FznzxEBdwu6SQDatIVPG6yqtCUd6maEmhJWjJUnEDB5m_EpKavZ2NuWuV6cvmYmNKadXwlt3pCrprcKMmIaClh4vQKNRL6FP9GI3ek5jt4_Sz5keadVFbx4h-QNy-jkYY&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> The CPC Way
>> https://youtu.be/j2iUOHRT0lk <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2Fj2iUOHRT0lk%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3nFnT1QKpdmK7ebL_ktf3Irh3NCOwXV4IuMHS7iQ725_FduZzjIXYA-CA&h=AT1w6VzC3hEMZJJK7N-23UsnrULB4u8NYYuHXR-2dgCyi9-OFEE2HjcvdkmaDC7B1lEoVuE6rgnorNdGGGHaoAPhLSKVbHnhPFN5JuPISdTOJgaiaEvzEHkYAMjzhaV_JfrKQUI&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Tibet The Truth
>> https://youtu.be/4sko0oEKoHk <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F4sko0oEKoHk%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR22LMu5FktxRd1M8i5GosJ2z97Ui0jIRyDwX1jWUb4BnhUC8TB7iPbQdmE&h=AT0voxzNDuyIA_muN3tVfV37myIFRJuorPUAr1Js3KHF8hvx_qHGIWdV-rUzdi43SDqr2BiFMwDo3pbezwn8NrdSrpWsm9RDcdH9OH7JIV8GFiTHYNu5IDvyy5va4cZvrv6sKpU&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Going across the Yalu River
>> https://youtube.com/playlist <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fplaylist%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2MkWEHEIhGvCMGBBJHegTXRsNHhe7CGgJ_0v7voyEC8AOqWHiObb324-c&h=AT0I5TeaFjh6yObVMkXi19npMxK5ZkmsfBbTacgRW1OFUhCX9nAwla1FO4BTG-9PhFrBEMsqz-gWAZ9aC-A0nSwJFfbjl570X02sWgnUqPAJy2A74mMkGqMzjS_blPiPkuVp5vE&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>...
>> Why we fight:
>> The Battle for China
>> https://youtu.be/DMWQ32vwMxI <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FDMWQ32vwMxI%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1AsfYXdrGAfgyXNjT1iFDzTpFi5UdijwlywT1A0n7Voj3KaaAnMVVvaYE&h=AT10vvcGwNDrB3ElMo-uaq_EAd7YrtWi6I6LnlYacx67-R4f4F5QNdgw0u_0cMWMot4BoDaWr6EnNfVZAbEVAcQ2iDBH7YCqR_PxAXWEq8UTA8No6rqC2p0r8A8BlrQn3-8eohM&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> The East
>> https://youtu.be/ZP2ZKXcP0YU <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FZP2ZKXcP0YU%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0txRZ3HcPQaYtV2_cHS6s-I7SucU38p3Ny1vywyCSYx4r_J4Z9nN8OlVM&h=AT0-DzD7r_r8fViS4KrTeZlt-LaM8fBRzEmnBRfHqmysEjECN-P999nlRUKtuSinE9rvrUZ6rs7WNBlp9JNmXt_4hfH0os-gng5lTN4r8Z71Vs5yGpT2Ftk4-qCwzoA0Y-OX9KM&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> The Road to our Revolution
>> https://youtube.com/playlist <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fplaylist%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2XNQ_nn_TZ9HT3ZpIoCjJGm6r5Bv97C99_qsxFpgPUf0BeT4cv2aV-0YM&h=AT0I5TeaFjh6yObVMkXi19npMxK5ZkmsfBbTacgRW1OFUhCX9nAwla1FO4BTG-9PhFrBEMsqz-gWAZ9aC-A0nSwJFfbjl570X02sWgnUqPAJy2A74mMkGqMzjS_blPiPkuVp5vE&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>...
>> Making the New China
>> https://youtube.com/playlist <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fplaylist%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3AqRwTrXAeT0GUUt6oA77Fro_Dh04xpb6wCk3m9VYQyxCpCAxun8Mwicg&h=AT0I5TeaFjh6yObVMkXi19npMxK5ZkmsfBbTacgRW1OFUhCX9nAwla1FO4BTG-9PhFrBEMsqz-gWAZ9aC-A0nSwJFfbjl570X02sWgnUqPAJy2A74mMkGqMzjS_blPiPkuVp5vE&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>...
>> Historic Journey
>> https://youtube.com/playlist <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fplaylist%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1f9v9yr-6omXRe4-41Tog9AZwjt_kNRJgMkSM-0-Q5NA9_Y0fF_7X8OiU&h=AT0I5TeaFjh6yObVMkXi19npMxK5ZkmsfBbTacgRW1OFUhCX9nAwla1FO4BTG-9PhFrBEMsqz-gWAZ9aC-A0nSwJFfbjl570X02sWgnUqPAJy2A74mMkGqMzjS_blPiPkuVp5vE&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>...
>> The Red Detatchment of Women
>> https://youtu.be/yADSY-0chyk <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FyADSY-0chyk%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2rwXu3MzZxscIlaj81G1XLj8P3hHbQIb7_9GtEM5HlG4ZyBJIP_FTGdQk&h=AT1IRebg79a2DeDfnE8u6-wy7-_FgNFWxfrB75Nq9dV4xY9siGMI7JDvppK2gviEZP9vu7QBhgoMoXtske7RLXhJKC3ey4qZd1hjX4EXw8i8l3IzB3-g0tO7UsUVGg28NaU75yU&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Russia
>> The Unknown War
>> https://youtube.com/playlist <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fplaylist%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0txRZ3HcPQaYtV2_cHS6s-I7SucU38p3Ny1vywyCSYx4r_J4Z9nN8OlVM&h=AT0I5TeaFjh6yObVMkXi19npMxK5ZkmsfBbTacgRW1OFUhCX9nAwla1FO4BTG-9PhFrBEMsqz-gWAZ9aC-A0nSwJFfbjl570X02sWgnUqPAJy2A74mMkGqMzjS_blPiPkuVp5vE&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>...
>> The Brest Fortress
>> https://youtu.be/lw3mDJ0qdp0 <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2Flw3mDJ0qdp0%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1_IE54K4vCZl_H-aYGhjxgLlz6UO-mYUKR7FyWLD-64RKyQAVQZ5HNIMQ&h=AT1Y0vK55eqpWXFptjok8ZiLNVLHVwyYO9aqqhNDVUUmgBKvKl8IcZ8Gs75CIz9S3KUCEpntl4jzM9rp2dZysQeqBqDQVuYIH4ZgRY4nRU4r9wCRjxNSicPxfDyoTAPwBeKF5eM&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> The Battle of Russia- Why we fight
>> https://youtu.be/WrKDBFJoo2w <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FWrKDBFJoo2w%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3xHjUTNf7cTMpPodgc9SUZkSYqxVeNSjGV729VarJu22OMyeghWM8TslE&h=AT2Qf0zW5KRpiWfH7Jx6yLxEuV8gA2BBAW8vO_gGMQdpyAA7eq2qyrvPV3N6YcjgArbmiWjOq729P68cG1KP8ia3ywIrZpbTh6Ab-SNAA2AecbSxmrsKUw4BJawOlKcwGJVAjj8&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Stalin
>> Victory speech
>> https://youtu.be/QIEFD257E4U <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FQIEFD257E4U%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3YggElOOKTVokYm_mX1rri7Oz1fPmMm6r63TLNwgTw4b2nywUJS1m5HX0&h=AT2MrM9cEJT3P3szE31trm96O4Aa8hfzQAvbURXXK40ysHi4OpHzjElrbHl__iPK6tSCSUWeKFVTkc3yXQaCBLKSyxs-NJmFri88YMCe_NY8l_aUN4qsi-DhooVpDOpUXincL6E&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> 17 Moments of Spring
>> https://youtube.com/playlist <https://youtube.com/playlist?fbclid=IwAR3Aw_IFbZuvEX9qjhUvaRBF1NvwblpH4OiOPqBH6VUGyvjQGAcOmJD15O4>...
>> Stalin?s Speech at the parade 1941
>> https://youtu.be/WbDMaimE5Es <https://youtu.be/WbDMaimE5Es?fbclid=IwAR1dgLTv5LX9IFWMz7NCI1ZunyMxOyJBg7WTl0XDu8MkBi3wyEL4INglU7c>
>> The Night Witches Documentary
>> https://youtu.be/y-5cVgjJZu4 <https://youtu.be/y-5cVgjJZu4?fbclid=IwAR3YggElOOKTVokYm_mX1rri7Oz1fPmMm6r63TLNwgTw4b2nywUJS1m5HX0>
>> https://youtube.com/playlist <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fplaylist%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3R8eyJtV94_l8jaEfyImuiUKdZsCcX7SDra0VFz5fFEjAIQk-5ZcvU56Q&h=AT0I5TeaFjh6yObVMkXi19npMxK5ZkmsfBbTacgRW1OFUhCX9nAwla1FO4BTG-9PhFrBEMsqz-gWAZ9aC-A0nSwJFfbjl570X02sWgnUqPAJy2A74mMkGqMzjS_blPiPkuVp5vE&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>...
>> Dialectical and Historical Materialism
>> Joseph Stalin - audio book
>> https://youtu.be/Mj-7lvz0gNM <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FMj-7lvz0gNM%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR14BHXEnAmnCBux5KhBlEQ2HsD_HZ-JIKc1CbCpnjis0vxnEUiFeW51Zw4&h=AT0SryPgXJSXO6dhcIDrGWbyC_vxtXYNz_AOq9Nw_kLRDC3sORXx0Vaus5nJ-3LEW09cErhWgBHDhvoP3Cm2JPRf70iPHKmfbpdXeplV_ViKkCO57YAujeibQBPZNaVRMFfHLik&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Grover Furr
>> On the great myths about The soviet Union
>> https://youtu.be/V3vecJDKTBg <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FV3vecJDKTBg%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2Sh4f25DyE3FKLaYVrxZJxCeEwnROVq2TzgIlO81Bu9tzeyHuAOZodiY4&h=AT3wtavjwdqYthceJ-nvmgCbmZADzxTTPYTREylkyQUaVB39o4T_zsau9aEwa3YsVNls5FKXej_UhhBMahs5sho5cPZxgj-b-cvimjh2F4hGL9QZdS9zTJXryvpsXZM3TvCR4hg&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Grover Furr
>> An evening with
>> https://youtu.be/uPY0O3HN3rA <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FuPY0O3HN3rA%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0PABlYybcefNaBTbn7Tw7VZ0y_ppy7P63eNGcbILV4CB6KMd3PIxMTzUA&h=AT0fQD6YMwmLuDMLmH4MAMHhpnDuG4_gNUV6RF59duKIFhAnCQ0oF_Q3PFwoGzupKn40HzJOw1aZw9Zr3KvgUL0iqLwUr7KMLeFnOPPQAH_bjUWDJsEUaRTBST2UFlMaSEuIrbQ&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Grover Furr
>> Stalin waiting for the truth
>> https://youtu.be/hvaL2mhXfKs <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FhvaL2mhXfKs%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2YxXEgUMBvALg1yh18YJThAsRvyLMBt-dyMKEwj9Hj-czFGSsznolb9jM&h=AT3-DI0rQeeyizBU_1ph8II_zTYfOh-dDhhKMIYozD7CbriJav8ogivUaVo89KysHJ-dxGBEedRFIW7yL9hZDCYRSTaS2u-uH2M1O8akjUFVhBuWWLUExOHUxn7krBVOWQ9Eios&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Grover Furr
>> The continuing revolution in Stalin era history
>> https://youtu.be/xVe3GYocyVo <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FxVe3GYocyVo%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1oZIKXgf6_bg_JTsqR8iNdXmP2hh03lDgyzXIejlC9JuEjhycA8Ina1f8&h=AT0eRikZakQzJBbEWz5pXq67UuPGkM_ABB_s0s5OTNjSD-gT2NUWgamJwfrgj_aWMJ0r0wxCZfYE4mY6iZEUHwSqtTbi23GjH2GkZQdW_V1Iux9_Av2T6tdxa0Qah4LhfIMLErE&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Miscellaneous
>> Film:
>> Patrice Lumumba
>> https://youtu.be/6wkQnxbNfnM <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F6wkQnxbNfnM%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3M6cBtP0389qUbrBvoNOA3sZ_qAbAM2aKC1-0XSx-c7P2M1CH4UJyrco8&h=AT3q7TRxC3k3Kr81gmt7bFMrzGVh8Xk0zIasvzCGdUmDMKNHfaW5dtt4sQeCN6IIBq3kw-jDPcgr_mQraqJ6eU78ctwhg7joeCSdZC_-3WTp4TzpUETG83IlUdRptVzY3gCiGV0&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Battle of Algiers
>> https://youtu.be/uHWZkiBuKGY <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FuHWZkiBuKGY%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3xHjUTNf7cTMpPodgc9SUZkSYqxVeNSjGV729VarJu22OMyeghWM8TslE&h=AT2GK5fYTvazKSLsj4-62O00yq8oZixccFG101w_aOFjNaqetl8VpnTg6HCgnPaEXEyC2d3vOAgWZsT7xN2qpJcjJZ6wYf-ltXQ-Z-fwKWElGvJ3odEhAeGekvhQznCVdT76Rhc&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Burn
>> https://youtu.be/aAHRe4hUHm0 <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FaAHRe4hUHm0%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2XNQ_nn_TZ9HT3ZpIoCjJGm6r5Bv97C99_qsxFpgPUf0BeT4cv2aV-0YM&h=AT1fVIGfm5STlQJ99D8hS7tpxRhZrDmA0A0-v4gCZgi35R5F9vsgR_s3ZH2Buu3_zZRbiLVQKi6Sw5g_jV-anuHjY97rTIFDLaLnrOxUji9jZp2yaLNX3cq-AEq-J_ekVkMb1hs&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Documentary/ Lecture:
>> Victor Grossman: My Life in East Germany and the struggle today
>> https://youtu.be/Oy8CrizjKh4 <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FOy8CrizjKh4%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3R8eyJtV94_l8jaEfyImuiUKdZsCcX7SDra0VFz5fFEjAIQk-5ZcvU56Q&h=AT0yyBwMebfv0pRavjpataY_zHS3reVWdqpWJCTRBU0B43OlUSzmoUDPkhs-15MS6L5Npt9GQKK-ypHwEtLwmuNwpeK2kHTdocHRvXvEuJzTquecM-_I1M0ejbadj_q6fEhf2Yc&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Michael Parenti
>> Conspiracy and Class
>> https://youtu.be/QIEFD257E4U <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FQIEFD257E4U%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0IsolzSxamlBUvDaJ1szj29RodmawatTo-HQ54abdPNO0C45u4Tad1PH8&h=AT2MrM9cEJT3P3szE31trm96O4Aa8hfzQAvbURXXK40ysHi4OpHzjElrbHl__iPK6tSCSUWeKFVTkc3yXQaCBLKSyxs-NJmFri88YMCe_NY8l_aUN4qsi-DhooVpDOpUXincL6E&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> Sankara The Upright Man
>> https://youtu.be/G7Vlt41HPUE <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FG7Vlt41HPUE%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0l3PuAGPoOCWQQ1zOaSyqLnZ2CK-NQIla1TcdMVcXNYz5ljaAbYg2vsbM&h=AT3iuSo5vwgTi6lxzBvT92XnSaODcIduN7soqY1keFMmhujaejGcOHJ_OlD9JiSsnxj3O5-E8ujniQXUf3szYozaOkzbXZuEF8Gd3HiuyE03coNmH5U5lUfTIFgr7TQ-pd0X7jM&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
>> The Panama Deception
>> https://youtu.be/Zo6yVNWcGCo <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FZo6yVNWcGCo%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR14BHXEnAmnCBux5KhBlEQ2HsD_HZ-JIKc1CbCpnjis0vxnEUiFeW51Zw4&h=AT2OVmaHcFLRucptx_46yGN8YyRDWole0z9-vui1SsPF2Im6u-ncu4QHljSU4hlXCRMVu-pD7AHHSN0QoMm6bp0Tz6iNCilAwQr42BQDa1hdMhhUQdmN7B-FvCjyjMaDvpamLn0&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT0PanNGaQewLIzr7G6KnUqdBouEYrVFadjB-3Z-WNVAb9ctmFUJKc4dUrFn3DnG76DzYhD8TE1iuZ_LU7EPryoTVl7GPDMUA0aoFq7n2Rb0rl1aQDzgQRtwyt5GjxsAb_acL4tu5XC_hhJ7rBXkfafqzuEZ>
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sat Oct 16 12:56:32 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 07:56:32 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: October 15, 2021
References: <20211016081706.2.044153e32029f6db.qgs1cusu@mg2.substack.com>
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> From: Heather Cox Richardson from Letters from an American <heathercoxrichardson at substack.com>
> Date: October 16, 2021 at 3:31:07 AM CDT
> To: cgestabrook at gmail.com
> Subject: October 15, 2021
> Reply-To: Heather Cox Richardson from Letters from an American <reply+pepme&692a&&8fd7ea8a459b52a2d0516280e5deaad1df2cb846f317f8da050bfb9cc7932ebb at mg1.substack.com>
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> ?
> October 15, 2021
> Heather Cox Richardson
> Oct 16	
> 
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> 
> Yesterday, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) told his colleagues that on Monday evening he plans to bring up the Freedom to Vote Act and to try to get it through the Senate.
> 
> The Republicans are determined not to let Democrats level the electoral playing field. While Democrats in the House, where legislation can pass with a simple majority vote, have passed voting rights laws, Democrats in the Senate have to deal with the filibuster, which enables senators in the minority to block legislation unless the Democrats can muster 60 votes. Republicans are dead set against voting rights laws. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has called voting reform ?a solution in search of a problem,? driven by ?coordinated lies about commonsense election laws that various states have passed.?
> 
> Are the 33 election laws 19 states have passed to restrict the vote really ?commonsense election laws??
> 
> Today, Meridith McGraw at Politico reported that America First Policy Institute (AFPI), a think tank of former Trump officials, says the priority for a second Trump administration would be new election laws. The president of AFPI, Brooke Rollins, who was in the Trump White House, said election reform would be top priority. Trump argues, without evidence, that the 2020 election was stolen. But, Rollins said, Trump might not have to push voting restrictions because the states have passed them already.
> 
> In 1776, the Founders declared ?that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed?.?
> 
> There have always been fights over who should have a say in our society, and until 1870, most voters in the United States were white men. After the Civil War, in 1870, the Republicans then in charge of Congress expanded the pool of voters to enfranchise Black men attacked by white gangs and undermined by white legislators.
> 
> In that year, the Fifteenth Amendment to the Constitution declared that ?the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.? That amendment also gave Congress power to enforce that amendment.
> 
> Almost immediately, white southerners determined to prevent their Black neighbors from affecting society through their votes began to keep Black Americans from the polls. By the early 1960s, fewer than 5% of eligible Black voters were registered in Mississippi, and when organizers tried to help them enforce their right to vote, white gangs and government officials harassed them, occasionally to the point of murder.
> 
> Appalled at the violence playing out on the streets and then again on the evening news, lawmakers in 1965 passed the Voting Rights Act. It required that states with a history of discrimination get preapproval from the Department of Justice to change state election laws. The measure passed on a bipartisan basis.
> 
> But the impulse to expand voting rights in America would face a backlash in 1986, when Reagan Republicans realized they were in danger of losing control of the government and thus losing the 1986 tax cuts. Republicans began to talk of cutting down black voting under a ?ballot integrity? initiative in 1986, and new voter restrictions in Florida paid off in the 2000 election, when Republican George W. Bush won by a handful of votes there after many more votes had been suppressed.
> 
> When Democrats tried to shore up voting with an expansion of voter registration at certain state offices in 1993, with the so-called Motor Voter Law, Republicans exploded. A New York Times writer said Republicans saw the measures ?as special efforts to enroll core Democratic constituencies in welfare and jobless-benefits offices.? As Democrats began to focus on expanding voting rights, Republicans focused on restricting the vote.
> 
> By 1994, losing Republican candidates were charging that Democrats won elections with ?voter fraud.? In 1996, House and Senate Republicans each launched yearlong investigations into what they insisted were problematic elections, helping to convince Americans that voter fraud was a serious issue and that Democrats were winning elections thanks to illegal, usually immigrant, voters.
> 
> When voters nonetheless reelected Democratic president Bill Clinton in 1996, Republicans did their best to undermine his presidency?and eventually impeached him?but the elevation of biracial Democrat Barack Obama to the White House in 2008 prompted a new level of attacks on the electoral system. The Supreme Court in the 2010 Citizens United decision permitted a flood of corporate money to flow into the electoral system, and then, in the 2013 Shelby v. Holder decision, it gutted the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
> 
> With Justice Department preclearance out of the way, states promptly began to pass discriminatory election laws. In 2021, in Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee, the Supreme Court said such laws were not prohibited, thus greenlighting the new election laws passed by Republican-dominated states after voters choose Democrat Joe Biden in 2020.
> 
> And so, here we are. Republicans are trying to regain control of the government by making sure their opponents can?t vote, while Democrats are trying to level a badly tilted playing field. If the Democrats do not succeed in passing a voting rights law, we can expect America to become a one-party state that, at best, will look much like the American South did between 1876 and 1964.
> 
> Our nation will no longer be a democracy.
> 
> There are currently three voting measures before Congress. The For the People Act is a sweeping measure that cuts back on voter suppression, ends partisan gerrymandering, curbs dark money in politics, and combats corruption. The House of Representatives passed this measure in early March 2021 and sent it to the Senate, where Republicans blocked it using a filibuster.
> 
> The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act would restore the protections of the 1965 Voting Rights Act that the Supreme Court gutted in the 2013 Shelby County v. Holder decision. The House of Representatives passed this measure in late August 2021 and sent it to the Senate, where it sits under threat of a filibuster.
> 
> In the Senate, Joe Manchin (D-WV) expressed misgivings about the voting measures and vowed to hammer out a voting rights bill that could attract the votes of ten Republicans and thus break a filibuster. He and a number of Democratic colleagues announced the Freedom to Vote Act in mid-September 2021. If there are ten Republicans to support the measure, we have not yet seen them.
> 
> The Senate will vote on the Freedom to Vote Act on Wednesday.
> 
> ?
> 
> Notes:
> 
> https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=21085054-schumer-dear-colleague-1
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> https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1045957114/voting-rights-set-for-senate-vote-as-democrats-push-bidens-agenda
> 
> https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/24/house-passes-lewis-voting-rights-bill-506798
> 
> https://www.rollcall.com/2021/10/13/activists-try-to-keep-up-pressure-to-pass-elections-and-voting-bills/
> 
> https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/15/trump-allies-election-law-reelection-516077
> 
> https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-october-2021
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/revised-democratic-voting-bill-drops-controversial-provisions-tweaks-others-as-pressure-for-action-mounts/2021/09/14/6c59def8-150a-11ec-9589-31ac3173c2e5_story.html
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Oct 16 23:24:01 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:24:01 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Breaking Points" with Krystal Ball & Saagar
 Enjeti repeat pro-war propaganda against China
In-Reply-To: <b4529d9b-1748-27ee-e544-67aeeae20adf@forestfield.org>
References: <b4529d9b-1748-27ee-e544-67aeeae20adf@forestfield.org>
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I wrote:
> Jackson Hinkle lays it out in 
> https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1448721021020753938 [...]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMhtLDenmd4 (I expect the transcript to eventually 
show up on 
https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/537612-john-bolton-iran-afghanistan/) is 
Afshin Rattansi's most recent interview with John Bolton, former US National Security 
Advisor. In case you're wondering why Rattansi's Bolton interview isn't repeating 
pro-war propaganda and Breaking Points interview is, the difference (in a nutshell) 
is objecting to Bolton's framing of issues or "pushback".

Rattansi objects to some of Bolton's descriptions including: pointing out an 
assertion from "Mad Dog" Mattis which Bolton makes in his book that Bolton claims to 
not remember when it was said (in other words, cast doubt on) (around 12m 40s in the 
interview), anti-Iranian sanctions (sanctions are war), anti-Cuban sanctions, and 
anti-Venezuelan sanctions and the self-described "president" of Venezuela Juan Guaid? 
to name a few examples. There's plenty more from Bolton to object to in this 
interview, and I would have liked to see more objection, but it's better than letting 
pro-war views go unchallenged and pro-war financial connections go unmentioned.

-J

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sun Oct 17 21:40:02 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 16:40:02 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?When_the_West_Was_Itchin=E2=80=99_to_G?=
 =?utf-8?q?o_to_China?=
Message-ID: <7649F4D0-CDDB-4CED-A1B3-B0C5B957D886@newsfromneptune.com>

The Unz Review ? An Alternative Media Selection <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw9zMsKgzAQQNGvMcuQmclrk4V9_YdOYi00KjES6NdXuijc3YUTQxwBicUroEIABQ60QmUkSHu5Uo-qR8AbGrp3WuWnPJaP5DWLOQx6MhbdlEbLnhHYsdKerI_gdDQkciD0Dgi1eIe51m3vqO_wcdZa-0sl8FDep76ktk9lzUva6rGk36xhSzuv41C-TigyWg>Subscribe <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw1jcsOgyAUBb9GloR7EdEFC_v6D0GoJgIGMCT9-pImTc7izGZmVasG5IbsChkCMJDQM2SCAh1udz4jmxHwgYI_u575N73Ch5royabM6iYtYAJAJ5jli4bR4CglWDfCIIlXvCFw7MmhtlLO3PG5w1dbrfVvapQvnU3atW2fJGWWdLRYsDW7FH2wZ7mC_VWLOm02US_pC058N1Q>
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw9zMsKgzAQQNGvMcuQmclrk4V9_YdOYi00KjES6NdXuijc3YUTQxwBicUroEIABQ60QmUkSHu5Uo-qR8AbGrp3WuWnPJaP5DWLOQx6MhbdlEbLnhHYsdKerI_gdDQkciD0Dgi1eIe51m3vqO_wcdZa-0sl8FDep76ktk9lzUva6rGk36xhSzuv41C-TigyWg>
When the West Was Itchin? to Go to China <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw1jtuKxCAQRL8mvhn6Yibz4kP29h_RdMbAREN0EPbr1ywMNA1V1X2oxS4Oib3aLAEhAo5ogGDosb99fPJEMBHSFw383RnYH_0r_vY-7SpYg6O_ufU-DsSworRvzyC4OAZniNRume4jMhn1tKGUI3c8dfTTptb6JjV1SPbJzecVBIm6BNFVctF1znorPmzNS_qRrn2puV2q0_r5fLZWUWpez7RHOcoryn-9Yt_QPxZ0RbE>Pepe Escobar ? October 16, 2021 ? 1,200 Words

Forget about the incessant drumming of Cold War 2.0 against China. Forget about think-tank simpletons projecting <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjt2KwyAUhJ8m3kU8R_PTCy_S3e57-HNshMQEtQT69GsLAzPDwPB57S2gdCxqFAggYAIlUAwc-Hj_kQuKBQF_cZCPTon9yV_pzd2xs1U7PwYLcvI3ArJ2cLOSHsYwz-rmCIntWuI8gUTFNr3WepZOLh3-NV3XxcORKT6TCcHEXD6nbTC5RrdRadGtMZnmH7AeRC-gFUq-_w6lz7EQy9qZvDW0RFcJ-dgTnfWV6MtY9UnFHdbkf8MLRvM> their wishful thinking on the perpetual ?end of China?s rise.?

Forget even about a few sound minds in Brussels ? yes, they do exist ? saying Europe does not want containment of China; it wants engagement, which means business.

Let?s time travel to nearly two millennia ago, when the Roman Empire was fascinated by the business opportunities offered by those ?mysterious? lands in the East.

After the Fall of Rome and the Western half of the Empire in the 5th century, Constantinople ? the second Rome ? which was in fact Greek, turned into the maximum embodiment of the only true ?Romans.?

Yet contrary to the Hellenistic Greeks following Alexander the Great, who were so enticed by Asia, Romans from the end of the Republic to the establishment of the Empire were prevented from traveling further on down the road, because they were always blocked by the Parthians: never forget the spectacular Roman defeat at Carrhae in 53 BC.

For more than four centuries, in fact, the eastern limes of the Empire were remarkably stable, ranging from the mountains of eastern Armenia to the course of the Euphrates and the Syria-Mesopotamian deserts.

So we had in fact three natural limes: mountain, river and desert.

Rome?s overarching strategy was not to allow the Parthians ? and then the Persians ? to totally dominate Armenia, reach the Black Sea and go beyond the Caucasus to reach the Russo-Ukrainian plains and forward to Europe.

The Persians, meanwhile, limited themselves to strengthening the Euphrates borders, which were only broken many centuries later, by the Seljuk Turks in the late 12th century and the Mongols in the early 13th century.

This is an absolutely crucial fracture in the history of Eurasia ? because this border, later perpetuated between the Ottoman and Persian empires, is still alive and kicking today, between Turkey and Iran.

It explains, for instance, the current high tension between Iran and Azerbaijan, and it will continue to be exploited non-stop by divide and rule actors.


Follow the caravan tracks

Something extraordinary happened in the year 166: Roman merchants arrived at the court of Chinese emperor Huan-ti, the 27th emperor of the Han dynasty. We learn from the History of the Later Han that a ?Roman envoy? ? probably sent by none other than emperor Marcus Aurelius ? was received by Huan-ti in Luoyang.

They traveled via what the Chinese in the 21st century would rename the Maritime Silk Road ? from the Indian Ocean to the South China Sea all the way to northern Vietnam, then overland to Chang?an ? today?s Xian.

Romans had been buying silk from Asia since the end of the 1st century BC, all the way from the land of ?Seres? that quite a few scholars disagree about: some state that was China, others that it was Kashmir.

Trade along the Silk Road was in fact conducted by an array of intermediaries: nobody traveled the whole way back to back.

Luxury industry products ? silk, pearls, precious stones, pepper ? from China, India and Arabia came into contact with Roman merchants only in one of the fabled hubs of the ?communication corridors? between East and West: Alexandria, Petra or Palmyra. Then the cargo would be loaded in Eastern Mediterranean ports all the way to Rome.

Caravan trade was controlled by Nabateans, Egyptians and Syrians. The most efficient ?Roman? traders were in fact Greeks from the Eastern Mediterranean. Scholar JN Robert has shown how, since Alexander, Greek was a sort of universal language ? like English today ? from Rome to the Pamir mountains, from Egypt to kingdoms that were born out of the Persian Empire.

And that bring us to a literally groundbreaking character: Maes Titianus, a Greek-Macedonian trader who was living in Antioch in Roman Syria during the 1st century.

Even before that envoy sent by Marcus Aurelius to the Han court, Maes Titianus managed to send a hefty caravan beyond Central Asia all the way to the land of Seres.

The trip was epic ? and lasted more than one year. They started in Syria, crossed the Euphrates, kept going all the way to Bactria (with fabled Balkh as capital) via Khorasan, crossed the Tian Shan mountains, reached Chinese Turkestan, then traversed the Gansu corridor and the Gobi desert all the way to Chang?an.

Since the legendary Geographical Guide by Claudius Ptolemy <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjstqwzAURL_GWgrde-0oXmjh9AHZhRS6NYoeiYksCVmOoV9ftzAwDAeGY5W9AZJhk0KBAAIktAJFx4EfTm80oBgQ8B07-mhaMd_5Gn-4STN7KGvBUd8ZC_5ItgePPWqP1EsjyTjLZkV4lEDYsqAeteaGhgY_92zbxpcpPEvS1qc1Wl2nFHkq9x1Gty3B1erKPl4pAO19mXR8ptf4dQUaUUA35nwQo2wbPF2Cru78zbP1rCijS9hV_158SXN0ua7R_TtXld1i0k2XX40jTP0>, the Maes Titianus caravan is recognized as the only Classic Antiquity source completely describing the main Ancient Silk Road land corridor from Roman Syria to the Chinese capital.


A Rome-Xian super-highway?

It?s crucial to note that Bactria, in today?s northern Afghanistan, at the time was the known eastern limes of the world, according to the Romans. But Bactria was way more than that; the key trade crossroads between China, India, the Parthians and Persia, and the Roman empire.

The Pamir mountains ? the ?roof of the world? ? and the Taklamakan desert (?you can get in but you won?t get out?, goes the Uighur saying) were for centuries the major natural barriers for the West to reach China.

So it was geology that kept China in splendid isolation relative to the Roman empire and the West. In military terms, the Romans and then the Byzantines never managed to cross this eastern border that separated them from the Persians. So they never managed to advance their conquests all the way to Central Asia and China, as Alexander famously tried.

Yet the Arabs, during the lightning-fast expansion of Islam, actually managed it. But that?s another ? long ? story.

The Maes Titianus caravan adventure happened no less than over a millennium before the travels of Marco Polo. Yet Polo had much more sophisticated PR ? and that?s the narrative imprinted in Western history books.

To evoke it now is a reminder of the early steps of the Ancient Silk Roads, and how the interconnectedness remains imprinted in the collective unconscious of great parts of Eurasia. Peoples along the routes instinctively understand why an evolving trade corridor uniting China-Pakistan-Afghanistan-Iran-Eastern Mediterranean makes total sense.

Parachuted Prime Minister Mario ?Goldman Sachs? Draghi may insist that Italy is Atlanticist, and may be constantly deriding the BRI. But sharp heirs of the Roman Empire do see that business partnerships along New Silk Road corridors make as much good sense as during the time of Maes Titianus.


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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Mon Oct 18 18:43:19 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_The_West_Can=E2=80=99t_Engage_C?=
 =?utf-8?q?hina_on_the_Climate=2C_While_Also_Demonising_Them?=
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Patrick Cockburn / The Unz Review <social at unz.com>
> Subject: The West Can?t Engage China on the Climate, While Also Demonising Them
> Date: October 16, 2021 at 9:01:35 AM CDT
> To: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> 
> The Unz Review ? An Alternative Media Selection <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw9zE0KgzAQQOHTmGWYmdhpsshCSnsPzU8tNVFiJNDTV7oovN2Dz1s_ISknXpaAEAEZe8CeJUqkG7BmhmG4szKm6yE95ZE_0q1JzNaRZwpxMt6ABtIj-5NQBmIEcPEiklWkr6hQi8XOtW57p4aOHmettb9UrBvLcuo5tD2WNeWw1SOH36x2c6t7T0fJX4eSMvE>Subscribe <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw1jcsKwyAQRb8mLmVGzUQXLkJp_yM-0oRWE9QQ6Nc3FApncc_mnmCDQyE9W60AgQhIqAAVceQobkCaCMbxTtKYTkF68iN_uN8SW-xEszJCIgjo0fUUepwhgAnToKcYe5asFHpAiZq97dLaXjs5duJxcZ7n_-myerjqy-ritVmxfirvK5bjWeeypRz3duT4qza7-82_3FHyF29TN7k>
> A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw9zE0KgzAQQOHTmGWYmdhpsshCSnsPzU8tNVFiJNDTV7oovN2Dz1s_ISknXpaAEAEZe8CeJUqkG7BmhmG4szKm6yE95ZE_0q1JzNaRZwpxMt6ABtIj-5NQBmIEcPEiklWkr6hQi8XOtW57p4aOHmettb9UrBvLcuo5tD2WNeWw1SOH36x2c6t7T0fJX4eSMvE>
> The West Can?t Engage China on the Climate, While Also Demonising Them <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw9TsGKhDAU-xq9VfraTqceepBh9z_q86ll7atoRZivH13YhRwSEpIMfuhBaayjV1IBSLBgJBjbQAPqJa2zVnbdl9VtWxmZpubgd4M51bN3LTr1cO1IY7BIQT_6Ac1g7LNVYMZQJ6-Ve4IGVy9-LmXdK91V6vvCeZ5_TZdaMeNPf2x88TKTOGkvAgMXQTyFiQTOkYPILG4Xl5hCuVJzXEiEZc9ioJQ57pGnO3FX1pvHsC3XZ6ZzH7ecmNZyMP2eL_5_8gMODlKu>Patrick Cockburn ? October 15, 2021 ? 1,200 Words
> As Britain prepares to host the Cop26 <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjkEKwyAURE8Tl_K_mt-4cBFKe49oTBOSqBgl0NNXCsMMvMXMzGa2KKRjmxEgEAEJFaAijhzFE2gggnF8kdS6U3B-eA1f7uLJVqOtXOZFTWgtOO0nrXqQkgY9WbLke3YaKYYHShzYYdZS0tXJsRPvpvu--RZmn3yzUFojr3vjJabNtXQxCWLZuCkfbTf4-1pyPINPpQb_P1BMctHttubwAz41PDA> climate conference in Glasgow next month, it is pursuing two contradictory policies that undermine its chances of success. On the one hand, it is seeking a unified global response to the climate <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjs0KwyAQhJ8m3iquJiYePITSvodZNz80GkmUQJ--UhhmYGCGz1s_gVTINiuFBBCgoRXQag4c5FPoQWsxji-tjGlaERZe4pfjEdhq_awM9KrHSXpjyCjXaWyHuu99p2diwSo59KBgYLtdc05Xo8ZGvqvu--Zb9JSoWsz1kZdP7fORNqyJ-xZcpgeuLi7ETovu3CtApPuazyNESrlE-pNkm_DAz1TO-AM7nT97> crisis with nations agreeing to targets for the reduction of their coal and petroleum emissions. But at the same time, it has joined the US in escalating a new cold war directed at confronting China and Russia at every turn.
> 
> The two policies have polar opposite objectives in trying to persuade China, responsible for 27 per cent of global carbon emissions, to cut back on building new coal-fuelled power stations, but at the same time demonising China as a pariah state with whom political, commercial and intellectual contacts should be as limited as possible.
> 
> In practice, this means deciding which threat is the greatest. Is it the reported thawing of the permafrost that covers 65 per cent of Russia that could release toxic quantities of methane gas? Or is it Vladimir Putin?s annexation of the Crimea, support for insurgents in eastern Ukraine, military intervention in Syria and building a Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdj91qxCAQhZ9mc6c46pp44UVY2vdIdNrI-ofRBvr0NYXhzM8HZzjOuB24sJM3nHEABgokA6koUOAvphal2Lp-KKH1Q7L4TXv6pTbH6TDw3Ni8i8VpKZHBE4WWTFuGu0DncJmiEXyZQcAyBXO0Vs6HWB_8c9R1XdQnhwWHpDYcaX-Pe8LrvHGuwY2OveaCY6j9PP1GbE5nq902n9O9tJp_sA4SSMrVkQFxi4ST4gsGn5DsoGGelaZHi2Gqxm41jCD3n6-aY8LSesL_RM0Um-177zX9AdNAWb4> between Russia and Germany?
> 
> Is the risk stemming from China?s claim to the Spratly Islands, and the possibility that it might invade Taiwan, greater than that posed by Beijing building hundreds more coal power stations under its next five year plan ? and thereby making the planet less habitable?
> 
> Viewed like this the balance of risks is weighted decisively towards giving priority to limiting climate change when comparing it to more traditional security threats originating in state competition. Put it another way, the greatest menace to the west is not the unlikely prospect of president Xi Jinping invading Taiwan or Putin doing the same in Ukraine, but the disappearance of ice in the Arctic bringing about a global sea rise.
> 
> Anatol Lieven caustically points out in his ground-breaking book, Climate Change and the Nation State, that the tension between the US and China over the Chinese fortification of reefs and sandbanks in the South China Sea may be ended, if the two nations fail to limit climate change, not by military conflict but by rising sea levels and typhoons that ?put the sources of these tensions under water again?.
> 
> It should be obvious that the degree of cooperation essential to stall and, if possible, reverse the warming of the world?s atmosphere will be impossible in the context of an escalating cold war between the leading nations. Unfortunately, the two issues of the climate crisis and a revived cold war remain separate in the minds of both political elites and the public, a self-destructive blindness that is driven by diverse but powerful forces.
> 
> These include the difficulty people in general have in taking on board that mega-disasters, of a kind which they previously have had no experience of, may happen to them. A recent example of this was the calamitous delay in Europe and the US in 2020 in understanding the seriousness of the coronavirus epidemic and that it would not be confined to east Asia.
> 
> The most dreaded consequences of the climate crisis are still in the future, even if there may be signs of disasters to come in the wildfires in Australia and California and the increasing desertification of countries in the Middle East and North Africa from Iraq to Chad. People may speak of making sacrifices for their grandchildren and for future generations, but they seldom expect to do so in practice. ?Do it for posterity,? urges the old joke often attributed to Groucho Marx, but in fact much older. ?But what has posterity every done for me?? comes the reply.
> 
> People may worry about the climate crisis, but this does not mean that they are willingly assent to higher fuel taxes. Political leaders in both democratic and authoritarian states understand that people do not like governments of any stripe which preside over a reduction in their standard of living, unless they are frightened by a great threat like a war or a pandemic, and possibly not even then.
> 
> At the government level, another strong impulse is simply that the political, bureaucratic and military powers feel comfortable in the cold war world of great power confrontation. It was this confrontation that gave them huge influence and vast budgets during the original Cold War against Communism and the Soviet Union, and there is no reason it should not do so again. ?This helps explain the enthusiasm with which western security elites have embraced the idea of a new cold war against Russia and China ? an analogy that is both largely false and wholly unnecessary,? writes Lieven.
> 
> To point this out is not a defence of the authoritarian nationalist regimes in Moscow and Beijing, or, more specifically, of Putin?s repression of his critics and fixed elections or of Xi Jinping?s persecution of the Uyghurs and jailing of opponents in Hong Kong.
> 
> In terms of realpolitik, Russia and China are smaller players than they are portrayed by themselves or by their enemies. Russia may still be a nuclear superpower, but in Europe it is territorially weaker than at any time since the 17th century. China may have the world?s second largest economy, but to pretend that it now has the world?s biggest navy by counting every patrol boat in coastal waters is misleading threat-inflation.
> 
> America?s fixation on China as a rival is shared by Donald Trump and Joe Biden, but it has an additional input. Hostility to China is a bi-partisan issue in Congress, about the only serious one on which Republicans and Democrats are agreed. This is very different from the vaccine campaign and other anti-Covid measures that have produced only rancorous division. In such a bifurcated political scene, it is not surprising that an embattled Biden is boosting China as the enemy at the gate and calling for Americans to rally around the flag with some expectation that they will do so.
> 
> Belief and disbelief in the climate crisis is one of the most envenomed dividing lines in American politics. Conviction that it is not happening or is grossly exaggerated has become part of Republican identity. The hundred or so world leaders gathered in Glasgow in November will know this and that the shaky Democratic control of Congress may soon end, stymying any further climate control measures, so why should they do what America cannot or will not do? They know also that Trump, or a Republican sharing his opinions, could well be back in the White House in 2024.
> 
> An international jamboree like Cop26 will be full of rhetorical appeals for global action and solidarity. As during the pandemic, real action, if it happens at all, will be by nation states acting in their own interests. Despite all the apocalyptic predictions of climate catastrophe, the moment when these countries really believe that they face an existential threat has yet to arrive.
> 
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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:23:42 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 09:23:42 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The FBI COINTEL program used anarchism to disrupt
 the left. Ben Norton provides proof
Message-ID: <CH0PR19MB5314BC28B399E9B66C9BF6BDA3BE9@CH0PR19MB5314.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

To many of us socialists, anti-war activists from the 60?s and 70?s this comes as no surprise, and frankly it?s so obvious. But for those who don?t see it??.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE0M-XQGzCk

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 22:35:43 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 17:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: No Evictions Press Conference Tomorrow (10/22)
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> 
> 
> Karen --
> 
> We're holding a press
> conference tomorrow (10/22) at 3PM outside of the County Courthouse
> (101 E. Main, Urbana) to talk about the current state
> of the campaign. 
> We'll discuss the three major victories we've
> had so far:
>  
> Collecting around 400 signatures in support of our demands & helping folks file for Emergency Rental Assistance funds
> Getting all members of the Urbana City Council to sign a letter to the Sheriff in support of our demands
> Pressuring the Sheriff into responding to our campaign in a recent interview--this means he's starting to take notice & get worried
> Last but not least, we're going to respond to the Sheriff's recent attempt to hide behind the 6th Judicial Circuit instead of taking action against evictions.
> 
> You can catch the press conference on the UPTV (Urbana Public TV) channel later this week, in person, or live streamed our Facebook <https://www2.pslweb.org/r?u=27Ax0UmWOX2J8J_QwK9Z6p96S9hc9UA_2Re3mYZqw4E&e=2df3a13664f8a0322319b0ddae502747&utm_source=psl&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ctr_press_conference&n=1>.
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> If you want to get involved organizing our community against evictions, please fill out this form <https://www2.pslweb.org/r?u=FHnL8ikUv8WviObJjkW8kTR7ozFiVSYhzSu-2EwIkQBm3kZFmZxkKNBlyoa30eRSbTh0Z8JQ25Y8xcl_5C6HJxMuKsQ0yW6Ve70YI5jnXih1iiWZnwTeRtEY2If6Y_4Ji6rtnVDbZr39K_nIxIn19Q&e=2df3a13664f8a0322319b0ddae502747&utm_source=psl&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ctr_press_conference&n=2>.
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>  
> PSL Champaign-Urbana
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Sun Oct 24 03:44:38 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:44:38 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: October 23, 2021
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> Begin forwarded message:
> October 23, 2021 <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJxtklFzojAQxz-NvMmQBCg-5MGreqdT6tnRWp-YkCwQBUKT0AqfvlGfbuZmkuzs5r-7mfyWMwul0gPtlLHe7cjs0AFt4dvUYC1orzegMykonqE4wZ6goUBJlHjSZIUGaJisqdU9eF2f15IzK1V71wcRIV5FQcSFiMJcJDgXOWJFwVGQYxEwHuVsFj66sl5IaDlQ-AI9qBa8mlbWdmZC5hO8cqsCZivQXF215BXTwqjWN31uLOMXn6vGaTq3FbcqBz3FZIoDjCZkZdUF2glZwLBBHL8PH7i-rM9q2O6XeLtYm3X764uTt4Idd3J73o3pYonT_fL68rzpTh-3mPPHw_fr4jSk-9Ssm3rkwzp2eegkgyFdHMZ0uNV5df497urtLG_eqxN563IcymLnX18-zbUToe3-TFfyOM6T7d9PM9_gr3Kb2cOzNPPzsde_p8HJk_T2dhTgMCA4RImPfUz4E5nh4CmaERZFhc_IeDEjOk_CoCnxP1_hacpLcG6ulbo4QXnDdL9xlDJnm76VdsigZXkN4gHQPqbgjjQroQXtpkNkzFIUkygIY4xIgsgDmCMckgDFCCHPtRbKZbX0f5B-ADfx0HY>
> Heather Cox Richardson
>  <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJxNkMFuhCAQhp9mua0RBgQPHHrpaxiEUem6YADbuk9fdm3SJgSYMJOf77Om4BzTobeYC3luQzk21AG_8oqlYCJ7xjR4p1lPO8WI09xRJRTxeZgS4t34VZe0I9n2cfXWFB_Dq78VAGTRikppQTpgEhQbe8eMBYdiEiPl1Kkz1ezOY7Co8RPTEQOSVS-lbPkCbxf2Xlfex1yMvTU23mu5pTj5FeuNKymE7K4LmrJgutr4fU3eLia5HAPx9SeM0pbxFhinqmENAyuhZ60UPRghpsbA45Yf9OPC2_vMmv9RJGk7Yy3HFOOtNsxP4tdLBR7qed-DL8eAwYwrutNFOYW-7AwzBkxVtBtM0bQD0fKOUVAUTvYqi0NLO0opqdEu1qmgf3EqzR_MD3OdkWs>	Oct 24	 <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJxtUl2PojAU_TXytoS2gPrAg5-zdUeNE9SZfSGlvUgVKClFxV8_RXcfNtmkuTe9Pb1f53Bm4KR0F9WqMU5vEtPVEFVwawowBrTTNqATKSI8RuEIOyLyBRoFI0c2SaYBSiaLyOgWnLpNC8mZkap64r2AECePMk-wANAQgjALAiw8hJHIWEYC5DOfeK-qrBUSKg4RXEF3qgKniHJj6mZAJgO8tCcHZnLQXN215DnTolGV27RpYxi_uFyVFsNqae0VWdNnte7Z3w8NjPd9DcjSqAtYP4duhTg-dJ-4uNCz6rbxAm_ntKHV9MrJR8aOO7k97x7r-QKv48X9fbbqfh-XZ_FWXFNJQ9r-EvXM4ssiFzMaruOvxyaeeJszva-7m2Sfm4fNK_nPg3yP6W0Trx9U3iQnB_mMl4f8i3zUKfZltnP3y2ub1ntK93OavQ1VdlPTbIKzFSdxjXbdmBOtj-FhyncDHLamTBrVag52kr87-BMvQci27CfsR3ekJQIj5GHfI9hHIxe7mPAhGWNvGIwJC4LMZeRxaR7oPPC98oT_WaqjI34Ce021UhcLOPVZny-W78T6sq2k6RKoWFqAeEnBvPT07CA5QQXa6kwkzEQoJIHnhxiRESIv6q1WrAxQiBBybGmh7K8q-h_d3xzv6sA>	 <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJxtUk1v4jAQ_TXkRhTbSQgHH9gCu6BSlgpKOUWOPSSGJE5tpyX59XVg97DSSraleZ558_GGMwu50h1tlLHe8KS2a4DW8GVKsBa01xrQqRQUT1GcYE_QUKAkSjxp0rMGqJgsqdUteE2blZIzK1V99w8iQryCxpHgWYARCiKOGOcxzjjiExSEIomTQDyyslZIqDlQ-ATdqRq8khbWNmZEZiO8dKcAZgvQXN205AXTwqjaN21mLONXn6vK-TTuKm5VBnqMyRi7tA5xfxXU1lEtrbpCPSJz6NaI47fuHZfX1UV12_0Cb-crs6p_fHLyembHndxedv1mvsCb_eL2_LRuTu8D5uz-8PUyP3Wb_casqrLn3Sp2cegkg24zP_SbbuB5cfYdd3w7y6u34kRemwyH8rzzb88f5taI0Da_xkt57GfJ9veHma3xZ75N7eFJmtnl2Oqf4-A0wnFrq9SoVnNwlf_t-A9egZBtNXQ0COFJiu-jxmFAcIgSH_uY8AmZ4mASTQmLorPPSH81PbqMwqDK8T8j9DTlOTgz00pdnUM-sN5_nLrpMMi2lrZLoWZZCeIhvH1sz72CNIcatNsqkTJLUUyiIIwxIgkiD6HdZoQkQDFCyHOphXJRNf2fuN-XruNV>	 <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJxtUl1v2jAU_TXkDeSvhPCQB1ZgAzVlVFDKU-Q4l8SQxKnttCS_fg5s0iZNsi2d4_uhe-4R3EKudBc1ylhveBLbNRDV8GVKsBa01xrQicwiMsNBSLwsYhkO_dCTJjlrgIrLMrK6Ba9p01IKbqWq7_HIp9QrIqAopWngsxQzRkhIODsHiE4RZYEPKHt05W0moRYQwSfoTtXglVFhbWNGdD4iK3cK4LYALdRNS1FwnRlVT0ybGsvFdSJU5WIad5WwKgU9JnRMEMEjumptlRjVagEjuviTMSLBwFeQybZy_H2Q36RQtYXaDtGuETiWi2GsvwirrjBg6DZYkLfunZTX9UV12_2SbBdrs66_fQr6eubHndxedn28WJJ4v7w9P22a0_vAOdwfvl4Wpy7ex2Zdlb3o1oHLwyeJunhx6ONuqPPi8J139XZWVG_Fib42KWHyvJvcnj_MrcmYbX6MV_LYz8Ptzw8z35DPfJvYw5M088ux1d_H6OTJaNADI8IQJQyHEzIhVEzpjKCpP6Pc988TTvur6fFlxFCVk3_k9XQkcnAw1UpdXUA-KHb_cZt3mlVVW0vbJVDztITsYQr7cNZd3SSHGrRzXJZwG-GA-ogFBNMQ04cJnGsYRTjAGHuudaZcVh39b_G_AGMY7EI>
> There are three stories in the news today that seem to me to add up to a larger picture.
> 
> First is the story of money laundering, which seems suddenly to be all over the news. Today we learned that federal prosecutors in Detroit have broken into a massive money-laundering operation between the United States and the United Arab Emirates called ?The Shadow Exchange.? They confiscated $12 million and suggest this is the tip of the iceberg.
> 
> This story comes just weeks after the release of the Pandora Papers, which detailed the ways in which the world?s wealthy hide money. The United States is one of the money-laundering capitals of the world, and the consequences of our lax financial legislation are coming home to roost. Experts say that because of the lack of transparency required in our financial transactions, hundreds of billions of dollars are laundered in the U.S. every year. 
> 
> Another story from earlier in the month by Casey Michel in Politico reveals what happened to a small town in Illinois when a Ukrainian oligarch bought a factory there apparently in order to launder money. The townspeople believed they were looking at a new, prosperous future with new investment in the town, only to watch the abandoned factory decay. And then, miraculously, another investor appeared, but that man, too, seems to have been using the purchase simply to launder money. Now, the factory is decrepit and must be dismantled at great cost to the town, along with the townspeople?s dreams.
> 
> The second story that caught my attention today is the continuing news dropping from Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen. Today we learned that a Facebook researcher created a profile that appeared to be of a political conservative North Carolina mother and that within five days, Facebook?s algorithm was steering the profile toward QAnon, a conspiracy theory touting then-president Trump as a secret warrior against a widespread pedophilia ring in the highest levels of government.
> 
> Although the fake profile did not follow those recommended groups, the profile was then inundated with groups and pages full of hate speech and disinformation. Other stories recently have emphasized that Facebook officials knew of the radicalization of users before the January 6 insurrection but declined to address the issue.
> 
> People often make the mistake of thinking that Facebook profits from the advertising it sells to users, but in fact the system works the opposite way. A media company profits from packaging users to sell to advertisers. Facebook has sliced and diced its users so that it can sell us with pinpoint accuracy to political interests eager to divide us or drive our votes. 
> 
> It appears we now have hard evidence that the company knew its algorithms were peddling disinformation to divide us, and it did not fix them.  
> 
> Tonight?s third story is that former president Trump?s loyalists set up a ?command center? in mid-December at Washington, D.C.?s famous Willard Hotel to try to overturn the election. Those meeting to come up with a scheme to overturn the will of the voters included John Eastman, who wrote the memo outlining how Vice President Mike Pence could refuse to count the electors for certain states and thus throw the election to Trump; Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani; adviser Stephen K. Bannon; former New York City police commissioner Bernard Kerik, a convicted felon pardoned by Trump; One America News reporter Christina Bobb; and Trump adviser Boris Epshteyn.
> 
> It is significant that as this story has hit the news, Eastman, the author of the infamous memo, is running from it. He went to the respected conservative magazine National Review to argue, quite preposterously, that his memo was simply a thought exercise that he did not endorse. 
> 
> The very choice of the Willard, rather than Trump's own hotel, suggests an attempt to create distance from the president, but Kerik, who rented the rooms, billed the Trump campaign for the $55,000 hotel bill. (Those participating are likely to discover that campaign activity is not part of official duties and so cannot be covered by executive privilege.) 
> 
> To me, these three stories are as illustrative of this moment as the three crucial stories in the January 1903 edition of McClure?s Magazine were of the corruption that led to the Progressive Era. In that famous 1903 magazine, investigative journalists Ray Stannard Baker, Lincoln Steffens, and Ida Tarbell exposed the political and corporate corruption that were silencing the voices of individuals in the United States and driving them into poverty.
> 
> The first two of today?s stories suggest the rise of global capital in our financial system and its power over us through the dominant influence of social media, a new technology most of us don?t understand particularly well. That power has led to the third story: the attempt of a president who has lost an election to turn to a Big Lie, spread through social media, that his victory has been stolen from him, and that his supporters must take matters into their own hands. 
> 
> KIeptocrats, autocrats, and criminals are making a strong bid to control our country.
> 
> Will they succeed? 
> 
> Maybe. But in a similar moment after 1903, the American people reasserted the rule of law.
> 
> ?
> 
> Notes:
> 
> https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-knew-radicalized-users-rcna3581 <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwtkM2OrCAQhZ-m2Wn409YFi9nc1zAFlMpogwG8jv30g-0khIJDVc7hM5BxCvFUW0iZXNuQzw2VxyOtmDNGsieMg7OK96ztOLFKWtY1HXFpGCPiC9yqctyRbLtenYHsgv_000YIMiuuO9lzzfu2x1Y_gVrgbJQULEXKqLxdYbcOvUGF_zGewSNZ1Zzzlh7i68H_lXUcR-21uZLVJryKktHMf6W65HIewaAOYamWIlQRbAm0ujfa6vpGqqLxIJqOEVfyccYol1Rwybqa11yYp-g5fTa9gKYZaxDvJb3Z90PS18TrtOuUwSyXO4nKTFiuOha30jBdHD4vBcNQ6mv3Lp8DetAr2ptQvjF_mA0TeowFvx0gK9aKhsqWM9ExcRMpCKWgrGWMkWJtQ5nyakbIM0YTfqIzM0Sbgv8FQBmZwA>
> https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2021-10-23/money-laundering-operation-us-dubai-3347270.html <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwlkE2ShCAMhU_T7LSAqNgLFrOZa1gIaWVaweJnHPv0g1qVSgi8kFefVgknHw65-ZjImYZ0bCgd7nHBlDCQHDEM1kj-ZF3PiZGNYX3bExuHV0BclV1kChnJlsfFapWsd5eetgBklqIVY8_0CIb2VHMhOvXsxMhpJ6B50e7eqrKx6DRK_MVweIdkkXNKW3zA14N_l9j3vY4p2A1jrf1abtKMxX6I5ZjPxClnFaMVh9Ks5Y-jWlR2BoN1U-U3DJe5KsfK5FHZCqARXNB6TutCrDznGeUNBd6wvuY1By3gyalon6Da9lUr-Lzjh_08GrpOvI55jEnp9-mHBKknLO0YvH8XwXSSuV4KmKHUNTubjgGdGhc0N7N0g78oDhO60yKaQSXJOmhp03EGPYObUYHaAGUdY4yU1caXKSdPCDMG7f-C1bMKJnr3D9KGnXI>
> https://newrepublic.com/article/162321/america-money-laundering-capital-fincen <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwlkMtyhCAQRb9m2I3FS6ILFtnkN6wWWiWjYAEmcb4-PWMVxePSzb0cBxXnlE-7p1LZaxrquaON-FtWrBUzOwrmIXgre2E6ybzVXnRtx0IZpoy4QVhtzQey_RjX4KCGFN_1vFWKLVb0E_JRaaMccOOl6UbTGm103yNMDi5XOHzA6NDiD-YzRWSrXWrdy0193uQXDYqU8fJoXNpIgVyDW5F2wkglxUvaMFOG-0YvnPcVjuhJiPPdwR4qrPcpkElkgeJJIbjUXEktukY2UrkP1Uv-0fYK2nZqQD0f5Sm-b5pvs2zKMZYK7vEyZ9m6Gek45pQeVDC_MLxvKOFA63bEUM8BI4wr-gtQvSi_kQ0zRsxE3w9QrTCq5dpIoTqhLiBEUCsujBCCkbVP1BXtglAXzC790TcXyL6k-A-jUJlr>
> https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/10/17/ukrainian-oligarch-midwestern-factory-town-dirty-money-american-heartland-michel-kleptocracy-515948 <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwlUc3OpCAQfJrxpuFXnQOHvexrmBZ6lE8FA7iu8_RfO5OQLgLdqa4qCwWnmC6zx1yquwzl2tEEPPOKpWCqjoxp8M6IJ297UTmjHO91X_k8vBLiBn41JR1Y7ce4egvFx_DpZ1rKajaKcSU718lRs7brmRuZRlB6HFk3olZfVjicx2DR4D9MVwxYrWYuZc8P-ech_tI5z7PZ4-qLt7GxcaOne0uCDSZ4-4B0FUxwAs7u0lE5lgQ-eAg1jU6Q7Fxv3p2YSVqoX2ALqa9LPEPtfCpXvRH3VcOGibSEekZIZYXgaMzOuNbLinuJNoG9as31U5ET5qblTCgmheJ9IxohbSefgnX6KUHrVwPyveQ3_3kotk2iyceYC9jlFlIlYydaCMYU40IN0-3p54csHQi3I_hyDRhgXNF93S7fyD7-DxMGTBSlG6AY3krNVCu47Ln8uktxKMl4yzmviNpFmgqGtJUZk43_SesMyeUYfgEiLrQU>
> https://www.icij.org/investigations/pandora-papers/global-investigation-tax-havens-offshore/ <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJxVkU2OwyAMhU9Tdon4b7JgMZu5RuSAk9CmEAFp2p5-aLsaCdni-aFnfVgoOMf0NFvMhbzLUJ4bmoBHXrEUTGTPmAbvDO-Z7jhxRjrWqY74PEwJ8QZ-NSXtSLZ9XL2F4mP4-KkSgiyGTurcU601nXSnuWNKoZNS8h57K-j4TYXdeQwWDd4xPWNAspqllC2fxM-J_9ZzHEfrrb-0Mc316sMdc_HzJy9XYYPgYoJmgw3TW5jXOMLa_DM2BR7NAncMuYnTlJeYsFqJr-tyxiiXVHDJupa3XNiz6Dk9q16AUlML4nXNL3Y5SXqbeZv3MRew19bGG0nGzjUFxhTjtRrmN5bPpFIZar_twZfngAHGFd0XWPlS_yAcZgyY6m-4AYphWigqNWeiY-ILqBKVgjLNGCM12sX6KpgFoSyYbHwkbxdILsfwB3pWoBk>
> https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/10/17/ukrainian-oligarch-midwestern-factory-town-dirty-money-american-heartland-michel-kleptocracy-515948 <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwlUc3OpCAQfJrxpuFXnQOHvexrmBZ6lE8FA7iu8_RfO5OQLgLdqa4qCwWnmC6zx1yquwzl2tEEPPOKpWCqjoxp8M6IJ297UTmjHO91X_k8vBLiBn41JR1Y7ce4egvFx_DpZ1rKajaKcSU718lRs7brmRuZRlB6HFk3olZfVjicx2DR4D9MVwxYrWYuZc8P-ech_tI5z7PZ4-qLt7GxcaOne0uCDSZ4-4B0FUxwAs7u0lE5lgQ-eAg1jU6Q7Fxv3p2YSVqoX2ALqa9LPEPtfCpXvRH3VcOGibSEekZIZYXgaMzOuNbLinuJNoG9as31U5ET5qblTCgmheJ9IxohbSefgnX6KUHrVwPyveQ3_3kotk2iyceYC9jlFlIlYydaCMYU40IN0-3p54csHQi3I_hyDRhgXNF93S7fyD7-DxMGTBSlG6AY3krNVCu47Ln8uktxKMl4yzmviNpFmgqGtJUZk43_SesMyeUYfgEiLrQU>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/22/jan-6-capitol-riot-facebook/ <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwlkU2OwyAMhU9Tdo34S5ouWMxmrhEZcBKmKUTgTCY9_ZBWQjbW4_lJHw4Ip5QPs6ZC7CwDHSuaiHtZkAgz2wrmIXgj76LrJfNGe9G3PQtlGDPiE8JiKG_I1s0uwQGFFN_veasUm421truNsrtpzwFQWejGXvJRqxalsvKTCpsPGB0a_MV8pIhsMTPRWi7q6yK_69n3vdmhzCFOlOJpalx6VoHQzTEtaTrqILkUtQl-3mUtPxCv3dXBGigt1xwSXUdwaFN6VJUFczoEl5orqUXfyEYqd1N3yW_tXUHbjg2o16O8xM9F8-ckm7LZQuAeZzzLxk1YR5vPhZpPJ4-3UnEMtT-3GOgYMIJd0H9I0Qf3m90wYcRcv8EPQEZ0quW6k0L1Qn3IVJRacdEJIViN9qm6opkRaMbs0l8ObobsS4r_MeWbGg>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/willard-trump-eastman-giuliani-bannon/2021/10/23/c45bd2d4-3281-11ec-9241-aad8e48f01ff_story.html <https://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwlkc2OqzAMhZ-m2YHyS-kii9nc10AmMZApJCgJw-08_ZhWimxLPs6xPjuoOKf8snsqlV1hqK8dbcSzrFgrZnYUzEPwVj5E10vmrfaiNz0LZZgy4gZhtTUfyPZjXIODGlJ867lRii0Wx6mTgnPfQ-eNdkClkMb4Du6jg_vHFQ4fMDq0-IP5lSKy1S617uWmvm7yH73zPNsTyhLiXFO8hlqXNmqE-IOlhvntXC5lWFfIvqGttr1BKHWD2MzhWAPE0IwQY4qkk1wKSoJftaLgtBm99LpRsheNEOiah9SiAfA96n7iYpqGUolXu9RtZcFeXwguNVek61vZSuXu6iH53TwUGDO1oH6f5Vd83zTfZtmWYywV3PPanWXrZlodxpzSkwTzBfPdIZYD5e2Iob4GjDCu6D-Y6-dWb_DDjBEz3dAPUK3olOGaYKteqA9WuoNWXHRCCEbWPtFUtAtCXTC79D8HtxCqkuIfYXWvdQ>
> Ellen F. Fitzpatrick, Muckraking: Three Landmark Articles (Bedford/St. Martin's: 1994).
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From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:28:27 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Some Democrats Want to Give Biden War Powers
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> From: karen aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
> Date: October 24, 2021 at 1:27:24 PM CDT
> To: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Some Democrats Want to Give Biden War Powers to Fight China Over Taiwan
> 
> Some Democrats Want to Give Biden War Powers to Fight China Over Taiwan
> 
> Rep. Elaine Luria made the case in an op-ed for The Washington Post
> by Dave DeCamp <https://news.antiwar.com/author/dave_decamp/> Posted on October 20, 2021 <https://news.antiwar.com/2021/10/20/some-democrats-want-to-give-biden-war-powers-to-fight-china-over-taiwan/>Categories News <https://news.antiwar.com/category/news/>Tags China <https://news.antiwar.com/tag/china/>, Taiwan <https://news.antiwar.com/tag/taiwan/>
> There is an ongoing debate between centrist Democrats and progressives in Washington over giving President Biden war powers to go to war with China in the case that Beijing invades Taiwan, Foreign Policy reported on Wednesday <https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/20/biden-taiwan-democrats-congress-china/>.
> 
> The centrists are in favor of expanding Biden?s authorities even though any military action against China risks nuclear war, while the progressives favor the current policy.
> 
> One Democrat in the House, Rep. Elaine Luria (D-VA), the House Foreign Affairs Committee vice-chair, made the case to give Biden the war powers in an op-ed for The Washington Post. <https://archive.md/scUwq>
> Luria?s concern is that if China moves to take Taiwan, getting authorization from Congress would take too long. ?So if you can?t act quickly enough, China overwhelmingly takes Taiwan,? she told Foreign Policy.
> 
> Luria frames the need for authorization to fight China as necessary to ?de-escalate? the situation despite the obvious risks. ?Without the ability for the president to react immediately, any delay would prevent the United States from responding, at a lower level of conflict, to repel an invasion and de-escalate the situation,? she wrote in the Post.
> 
> Republican hawks have already drawn up legislation that would give Biden the authority to go to war with China over Taiwan. ?My Republican colleagues introduced the Taiwan Invasion Prevention Act in February to grant the president the authority to act against an invasion of Taiwan and prevent a fait accompli. This act is a good starting point to address a legal dilemma,? Luria said in the Post.
> 
> The Taiwan Invasion Prevention Act <https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1173/cosponsors> would authorize ?the President to use the Armed Forces to defend Taiwan against a direct attack by China?s military, a taking of Taiwan?s  territory by China, or a threat that endangers the lives of civilians in Taiwan or members of Taiwan?s military.?
> 
> Matt Duss, an aide to Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT), told Foreign policy that the current policy of not committing to defending Taiwan, known as ?strategic ambiguity,? shouldn?t be changed.
> 
> ?A policy of ambiguity may not be the most emotionally satisfying for DC hawks, but it?s working,? Duss said. ?The dangers of creating another open-ended war authorization should be obvious.?
> 
> The renewed debate was sparked by China?s recent flights into Taiwan?s air defense identification zone (ADIZ), which have been falsely portrayed as airspace violations by Western media <https://news.antiwar.com/2021/10/04/us-hypes-chinas-military-flights-in-taiwans-adiz/>. An ADIZ is an area where a country wants foreign aircraft to identify itself. The concept is not covered by any international laws or treaties, and the Chinese warplanes usually enter the southwest corner of the ADIZ, nowhere near the island of Taiwan.
> 
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sun Oct 24 18:54:43 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:54:43 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Pandora Papers,
 Frances Haugen are suspicious establishment put-ups
In-Reply-To: <6FA9F933-27FE-4B7A-BC8C-4D58DFC75F68@newsfromneptune.com>
References: <20211024032418.2.23c739207593a55f.a3zksz1j@mg2.substack.com>
 <6FA9F933-27FE-4B7A-BC8C-4D58DFC75F68@newsfromneptune.com>
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C. G. Estabrook posted a report from (I'm guessing) Heather Cox Richardson who wrote:
> First is the story of money laundering, which seems suddenly to be all over the
> news. Today we learned that federal prosecutors in Detroit have broken into a
> massive money-laundering operation between the United States and the United Arab
> Emirates called ?The Shadow Exchange.? They confiscated $12 million and suggest
> this is the tip of the iceberg.
> 
> This story comes just weeks after the release of the Pandora Papers, which
> detailed the ways in which the world?s wealthy hide money. The United States is
> one of the money-laundering capitals of the world, and the consequences of our lax
> financial legislation are coming home to roost. Experts say that because of the
> lack of transparency required in our financial transactions, hundreds of billions
> of dollars are laundered in the U.S. every year.

While it's true that the US has plenty of money laundering going on (the entirety of 
the ongoing Afghan war, for example, moves money from the tax bases of the US and EU 
to the international security elite as Julian Assange pointed out in 
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_IGU_7alJ80 ), $12 million had better be the start of 
something much larger because outside of an individual's bank account, $12 million is 
chump change for any government (let alone one of the world's richest) to deal with.

Also, the Pandora Papers tax avoidance documents suspiciously lack any reports from 
the US and from Vladimir Putin (despite Pandora Papers reports showing Putin's face 
on the cover art).

See the Grayzone piece https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3x9jvABotrg -- "Are US spies behind 
Pandora Papers? And shady Facebook 'whistleblower' wants more censorship" -- for more 
on why the Pandora Papers are suspicious.

> The second story that caught my attention today is the continuing news dropping
> from Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen. Today we learned that a Facebook
> researcher created a profile that appeared to be of a political conservative North
> Carolina mother and that within five days, Facebook?s algorithm was steering the
> profile toward QAnon, a conspiracy theory touting then-president Trump as a secret
> warrior against a widespread pedophilia ring in the highest levels of government.

This point starts wrong and misses the more important points from there. Haugen is 
not a whistleblower. You can tell by what she's saying (she wants censorship of 
things she disagrees with; everyone on both sides of that panel agree that censorship 
is fine but they might differ on precisely what to censor) and you can tell by how 
she's treated (Julian Assange, Daniel Hale, and John Kiriakou were imprisoned for 
telling us the truth but Haugen was given the red carpet treatment).

See the following reports for more on this:

RT: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DOxekB_3W0o -- "'Coached' Facebook whistleblower 
revealed to have questionable backing"

Grayzone: 
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/21/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen-us-intelligence/ 
-- "Facebook ?whistleblower? Frances Haugen represented by US intelligence insiders"

What's being pointed to here also strikes me as small stakes -- this fake Facebook 
account being "steered toward QAnon" is hardly of consequence. The real issue is that 
people shouldn't be on Facebook in the first place (anyone who complains about it but 
maintains a Facebook account is contributing to the very thing they're complaining 
about) and this kerfuffle overlooks that real fake news of consequence comes from the 
US government and establishment media (such as Iraqi WMDs; taking babies out of 
incubators and leaving them on the floor as "Nayirah", actually the daughter of Saud 
Al-Sabah, told us in a rehearsed fiction from Hill & Knowlton; Juan Guaid?, backed by 
the US government, called himself Venezuelan president in his part to foment coup 
attempts against that government; the list goes on and on).

From jbn at forestfield.org  Tue Oct 26 04:20:37 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:20:37 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Pandora Papers,
 Frances Haugen are suspicious establishment put-ups
In-Reply-To: <84c01cf8-9683-9503-26eb-1822b808ec2d@forestfield.org>
References: <20211024032418.2.23c739207593a55f.a3zksz1j@mg2.substack.com>
 <6FA9F933-27FE-4B7A-BC8C-4D58DFC75F68@newsfromneptune.com>
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I wrote:
> Haugen is not a whistleblower. You can tell by what she's saying (she wants 
> censorship of things she disagrees with; everyone on both sides of that panel 
> agree that censorship is fine but they might differ on precisely what to censor) 
> and you can tell by how she's treated (Julian Assange, Daniel Hale, and John 
> Kiriakou were imprisoned for telling us the truth but Haugen was given the red 
> carpet treatment).

Also see the just-released Glenn Greenwald essay on Pierre Omidyar, Haugen's funder 
-- https://greenwald.substack.com/p/pierre-omidyars-financing-of-the -- and this is 
particularly interesting coming from Greenwald who co-founded another Omidyar media 
venture called The Intercept which is now a government narrative repeater which 
Greenwald disavows thoroughly (even as TI fraudulently uses Greenwald's image to do 
fundraising; yes, a billionaire is asking the public to help foot the bill). 
Greenwald's linked essay begins:

> It is completely unsurprising to learn, as Politico reported[1] last Wednesday, 
> that the major financial supporter[2] of Facebook "whistleblower"? Frances 
> Haugen's sprawling P.R. and legal network coordinating her public campaign is the 
> billionaire founder of EBay, Pierre Omidyar. The Haugen Show continues today as a 
> consortium of carefully cultivated news outlets (including those who have been 
> most devoted to agitating for online censorship[3]: the New York Times'
> "tech"? unit and NBC News's "disinformation"? team) began publishing the trove
> of archives[4] she took from Facebook under the self-important title "The
> Facebook Papers," while the star herself has traveled to London to testify today
> to British lawmakers[5] considering a bill to criminally punish[6] tech companies
> that allow "foul content"? or "extremism" ? whatever that means ? to be
> published.

[1] 
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/20/tech-billionaire-aiding-facebook-whistleblower-516358
[2] 
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/20/tech-billionaire-aiding-facebook-whistleblower-516358
[3] https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-journalistic-tattletale-and-censorship
[4] https://apnews.com/hub/the-facebook-papers
[5] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/business/frances-haugen-facebook.html
[6] 
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-social-media-facebook-google-tough-sentences-b961532.html

Greenwald's essay is well worth reading in its entirety. He goes into great detail 
explaining that Omidyar's TI funding wouldn't stop despite hiring journalists that 
disagree vehemently with Omidyar's own views. But:

> When it comes to billionaire funders of political and journalistic projects, 
> Omidyar ? despite the long list of political views and activities of his that I 
> regard as misguided or even toxic ? is, for the reasons I just outlined, as good 
> as it gets. And yet despite all that, it is simply unavoidable ? inevitable ?
> that the ideology, views and political agenda of a billionaire funder will end up 
> contaminating and dominating any project for which they are the exclusive or 
> primary funder. Omidyar is not some apolitical or neutral guardian of good 
> internet governance; he is a highly politicized and ideological actor with very 
> strong views on society's most debated questions.
> 
> And that is why it is so dangerous that the campaign to control and police the 
> internet ? to launch pressure campaigns to further centralize the control over 
> what can and cannot be said online, and to further restrict the range of views 
> that is deemed permissible ? is being funded almost entirely by a small handful
> of multi-billionaires like Omidyar. No matter how benevolent and well-intentioned 
> they may be, the power and control they will inevitably wield, even if they try 
> not to, will be limitless.
> 
> And when it comes to a free internet, few things are more dangerous than allowing 
> a tiny number of like-minded billionaires to use their vast wealth to control the 
> contours of permissible speech. Yet that is exactly what has been happening. And 
> the obviously orchestrated, well-planned and well-financed campaign centered 
> around this new high-tech Joan of Arc, ready to be martyred to save us all from
> an unsafe internet, is merely the latest example.

From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Oct 27 00:07:22 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air,
 News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV
Message-ID: <d0c96127-cc5e-db6a-6d7a-db2117e06baf@forestfield.org>

Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, 
and Labor's World View TV.

As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your 
pointers to Jason Liggett (jcliggett at urbanaillinois.us). I routinely ask him to 
prioritize AWARE members pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & 
David Green's pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's pointers 
over mine for Labor's World View TV.

I might not be able to get to add more videos soon, so I hope this is sufficient to 
run for a while.

-J




RT
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GkGtgfWCZ0U (4m 42s) -- "US Drone Strikes Are As Criminal 
As Ever"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AlsjipfS6Y8 (5m 42s) -- "'Sorry' is not enough | Kabul 
airstrike victims demand justice for killed civilians"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LKJxqKhYrok (27m 30s) -- "Trauma & Transformation in an 
American Prison, Part 1"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bjMVwJmYU_A (28m 17s) -- "Trauma & Transformation in an 
American Prison, Part 2"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bJnzA-ZvXt8 (28m 44s) -- "Neofascist seizure of America?s 
state governments"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bDI8Ro4Ba5c (25 1s) -- "The Julian Assange case"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AUxKhAGexpA (27m 21s) -- "Renegade Inc | Defining the 
Common Good Economy"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v2vLVIxmXiI (19m 30s) -- "LIVE | Julian Assange?s fiancee 
and WikiLeaks editor-in-chief speak ahead of US extradition hearing"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OlmTETdAe3o (36m 26s) -- "LIVE - CONT. | Assange?s 
fiancee and WikiLeaks editor-in-chief speak ahead of US extradition hearing"


MintPressNews
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ammQmFzUGoI (13m 3s) -- "Eric Schmidt Cashes in on 
Artificial Intelligence Arms Race"


More Perfect Union
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WO9lfsVUG-A (2m 11s) -- "Janitors WIN Higher Wages And A 
Pension After Threatening To Strike"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gDo8jCTgiuU (4m 28s) -- "Why are Beef Prices Skyrocketing?"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DPYE_a4wHt0 (3m 14s) -- "Starbucks Workers TAKE ON 
Corporate Executives in Fight to Form a Union"


Glenn Greenwald
https://youtube.com/watch?v=C5GiuWJqYJg (36m 20s) -- "The Mountain of Data Showing 
How Authoritarian Democrats Have Become"


More Perfect Union
https://youtube.com/watch?v=v8iFJS7eE8I (7m 57s) -- "The Most Consequential Election 
You've Never Heard Of"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nqMpcK_9YKE (6m 12s) -- "Corrupt Millionaires PLOT To 
Overturn India Walton's Election"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1aj0FTnTHfE (3m 22s) -- "Striking Kellogg's Workers 
Expose Company's Lies"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TxOlq0UYaqc (5m 44s) -- "Here's Why 10,000 John Deere 
Workers Are on Strike"


laborvideo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=33UGLOA2LSU (30m 56s) -- "Victory To Oct 20, 2021 Korean 
General Strike! Global Solidarity From Milan, Tokyo To San Francisco"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXyr3xdoSRw (1h 13m 53s) -- "The Struggle Against 
Apartheid In SA, Namibia & The Working Class Today With David Hemson"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RRgB4vsRY8U (18m 15s) -- ""Fire Drake" & Hire Faculty! 
AFT UCB Lecturers Rally & March Against Treatment and Contract Labor"

From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Oct 27 02:08:11 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 21:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Isolate Unvaxxed From Society" says Noam Chomsky
Message-ID: <e80ff50c-82a1-03c0-fc7e-dddfc4a34e3e@forestfield.org>

"Isolate Unvaxxed From Society" says Noam Chomsky -- Jimmy Dore with Max Blumenthal 
analyzing Noam Chomsky's most recent interviews
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IpEch0McjZ0
https://rumble.com/voa4ds-isolate-unvaxxed-from-society-says-noam-chomsky.html

Source material: Noam Chomsky's most recent interview with Primo Radical
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TzWcP2b4uZ4

(excerpt from above) Noam Chomsky on Vaccine Mandates
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cc_neyVp-rI

(excerpt from above) Noam Chomsky on Biden Forgiving Student Loan Debt
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtvBxYz-gU


I think that Jimmy Dore has better arguments than Chomsky on multiple points in this 
and Dore has the evidence to back the argument that Chomsky's views are 
indistinguishable from what Dore calls the "shitlib" view when uttered by others. I'm 
glad Dore pointed out that Chomsky is frequently allowed to get away with making 
assertions without sources.

I also disagree with Chomsky's focus on speeches and talking points from politicians 
instead of analyzing voting records. That Primo Radical interview has Chomsky not 
referring to votes but reacting to party talking points on issues of substance. In my 
view, the talking points don't matter. They're glib PR statements designed to corral 
progressives and the left into supporting the neo-con/neo-lib Democratic Party. Max 
Blumenthal touches on this in Chomsky's support of AOC. But virtually every AOC video 
Jimmy Dore has done shows how she talks progressive to sheepdog progressives into the 
Democratic Party (or she gives word salad nonsense to run out the clock on an 
interview when she doesn't have better talking points to hand). Nowhere in Chomsky's 
analysis do you find critique of strategic voting (like letting some "Squad" members 
vote 'present' while others support/reject a bill) which allows just enough votes for 
something to go the way the big donors want.

I agree with quite a bit of Chomsky's past work (such as Manufacturing Consent) and I 
think highly of it (both the book and documentary in which Chomsky starred). I never 
agreed with Chomsky's 'lesser evil' electoral advice and I don't agree with his 
distinction between enthusiastically supporting Democrats vs. holding one's nose and 
voting Democrat -- either way one is voting for the Democrat. That is a bullshit 
distinction aimed at trying to trick/manipulate people into voting for the Democratic 
Party. But this Primo Radical interview, like one of the letters Chomsky recently 
signed which echoes his advice to keep voting Democrat even as that party does 
horrible things, shows what Chomsky now stands for. Perhaps it's good that, as 
Chomsky said in that Primo Radical interview, he doesn't care a whit for his legacy.

The one point raised on the Jimmy Dore segment I don't agree with is Blumenthal's 
decision not to interview Chomsky because doing so (which would include countering 
Chomsky's evidenceless views) would be "elder abuse". Max Blumenthal mentioned this 
early on and gets into this more in detail around 44m 44s. I don't know where Chomsky 
gets his information, and I don't think he spoke a lot of truth in this interview. 
But I also don't think he's lost his mind akin to a person with dementia. Chomsky is 
speaking full and complete sentences (of largely rubbish) with his full consent and 
knowledge, he's holding forth on matters of the day as he's done for decades. There's 
no evidence that anyone tricked Chomsky into doing these utterly embarassing 
establishment-serving interviews. Primo Nutmeg's questions put to Chomsky were to the 
point, remarkably open-ended, and in no way manipulative. Chomsky had no problem 
challenging questions which he thought ought to have been reframed, made more 
specific, or with points that need to be divided up and addressed separately. It's 
fine for us to disagree with what Chomsky said even as we defend the eminent sense he 
used to say in his interviews and speeches. The "elder abuse" response seems to me 
like Blumenthal is saying that by not interviewing Chomsky, Blumenthal is looking out 
for Chomsky's better interests here but that's not Blumenthal's call to make.

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Oct 27 05:14:37 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 00:14:37 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] How Wallace Shawn Found His Voice
Message-ID: <2666D240-D055-43BE-AD67-B89EF9C8D3A9@newsfromneptune.com>

https://jacobinmag.com/2017/09/wallace-shawn-plays-socialist-night-thoughts-culture-hollywood


Sent from my iPhone

From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Oct 27 07:17:29 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 02:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air,
 News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV
In-Reply-To: <d0c96127-cc5e-db6a-6d7a-db2117e06baf@forestfield.org>
References: <d0c96127-cc5e-db6a-6d7a-db2117e06baf@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <77135d74-2c7a-d619-6ef6-9364085e38e4@forestfield.org>

I wrote:
> Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from
> Neptune, and Labor's World View TV.
I sent in one more video now that Novara Media has been restored back to YouTube. For 
more information on what happened to Novara Media, see 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zMcEy14O-lg ("YouTube Shut Us Down Without Explanation").


Novara Media
https://youtube.com/watch?v=E_xxGWAxlGc (2h 22m) -- The Belmarsh Tribunal - The War 
On Terror is Put on Trial

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Oct 27 19:01:59 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [marxmail] Communist histories of the Cold War
References: <30330.1635358919578230970@groups.io>
Message-ID: <CCEDB5D0-2E3C-4C62-8919-2BC47AC842A5@newsfromneptune.com>

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: gilschaeffer82 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [marxmail] Communist histories of the Cold War
> Date: October 27, 2021 at 1:21:59 PM CDT
> To: marxmail at groups.io
> Reply-To: marxmail at groups.io
> 
> The two most important books published in the 1960s challenging the State Department version of the Cold War were Gar Alperovitz, Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam, and David Horowitz, Free World Colossus. The virtue of both books is their emphasis on the enormous strategic power advantage of the US. In sheer power terms, only the US possessed an offensive strategic capability. The Soviet Union was a regional power in a defensive position that did not have either the industrial or military power to confront the US outside of Europe. No history written since then has improved on their analyses.
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Oct 29 00:01:51 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 19:01:51 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The latest news comedy show is no better than the
 other corporate news comedy shows
Message-ID: <441fb7ba-716d-efc1-ec5d-0b7296620906@forestfield.org>

As a retort and correction of the most recent hat-in-hand interview from Jon Stewart 
in his episode this week, I offer 
https://twitter.com/hoosteen/status/1451188023350022151 which wasn't even posted in 
that context.

Jon Stewart's new show just ran episode 3. Using the same shtick he used on The Daily 
Show it's pretty clear that he only offers more tinkering-around-the-edges 
lightweight critique that never strikes at the heart of important issues:

- if you don't challenge US war spending, you're not challenging US government 
spending. In episode 3 Jon Stewart didn't bring up war spending which deserves to be 
mad a drumbeat issue because US war spending affects everything the country spends 
money on.

- asking government higher-ups questions akin to 'Can't we do better for the poor and 
working class?' is pointless because real change that benefits the public doesn't 
come from the top down. If such beneficial-to-the-public change came from the top 
down we wouldn't be where we are. In episode 3 Jon Stewart interviewed Janet Yellen, 
Secretary of the Treasury (https://youtube.com/watch?v=3r76KkcJaTE).

- we're far enough away from an election where Democratic Party sympathizers (such as 
anyone they'll allow on Apple TV) are safe to suggest (but never explicitly state) 
that the Republicans are no better or worse than the Democrats on the US economy. 
Both major parties support neoliberal programs (policy aimed at moving wealth from 
the poor to the wealthy). Both major parties are also neoconservative (more war) but 
you won't hear that from Stewart & co. either. Get closer to an election 
(particularly a presidential election) and you'll see the arguments which highlight 
the narcissism of small differences culminating in vote Blue no matter who.

You can catch most if not all of Jon Stewart's Apple TV show "The Problem With Jon 
Stewart" on YouTube without handing over your money to Apple, a rapacious monopolist 
with horrible labor practices that lead to workers' deaths (another topic you ought 
not look for drumbeat coverage on Jon Stewart's show). See 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2gOu50HaEvs -- the late Steve Jobs interview about this 
topic when it first came to public attention around the time of Foxconn worker 
suicides. This interview and Jobs' shameful handling will forever change your view 
that Jobs was a "master" speaker as he is so commonly discussed in establishment 
media. His evaluation of the problem spoke to his firmly anti-worker priorities which 
were (and apparently remain) Apple's anti-worker priorities now. All of the claims he 
makes about being "all over this" and "on top of this" and "[Apple is] not a 
sweatshop" are simply lies.

For a much better take on what's going on at Foxconn, read the recently-published 
"Dying for an iPhone" and see/read 
https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/526377-iphone-manufacturing-china-workers/ for 
Chris Hedges' interview with Professor Jenny Chan, co-author of "Dying for an 
iPhone", on how Apple (a $2 trillion market value company) treats Foxconn factory 
workers where Apple gets its iThings assembled.

Redacted Tonight remains the only news comedy show worth watching because that show 
actually challenges establishment policy on principled grounds, repeats its criticism 
of capitalism which means occasional viewers are more likely to see the argument, and 
challenges the viewer to see how corporate fealty drives so many policy decisions the 
US government makes.

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Oct 29 01:06:46 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 01:06:46 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] FaceBook / Meta
Message-ID: <CH0PR11MB56898D5B6568F52888A5C8868C879@CH0PR11MB5689.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

META-
1. a prefix appearing in loanwords from Greek, with the meanings ?after,? ?along with,? ?beyond,? ?among,? ?behind,? and productive in English on the Greek model: metacarpus; metalinguistics.

> [ 2. meanings in chemistry omitted. ] 
 
Also, esp. before a vowel, met-.
[< Greek, prefix and preposition]
	? online dictionary

1. a. Later in time: metestrus.
b. At a later stage of development: metanephros.
2. Situated behind: metacarpus.
3. a. Change; transformation: metachromatism.
b. Alternation: metagenesis.
4. a. More comprehensive: meta-analysis.
b. Describing or showing an awareness of the activity that is taking place or being discussed; self-referential: metafiction.
c. At a higher state of development: metazoan.
5. Having undergone metamorphosis: metasomatic.
[meanings in chemistry omitted ] 

=> Noteworthy:  
A book by Aristotle is titled ?Metaphysics,? meaning that ancient editors decided that it properly comes after or in addition to the ?Physics,? which is Aristotle?s philosophy of nature or natural history/philosophy.  
> cp. meta-analysis, an analysis or interpretive account of the results of a number of previous experiments or analyses.  
> metalanguage: the language used to talk about another language.
This is sometimes needed to avoid the paradoxes of self-reference ?  e.g. ?This statement is false?: if true, then it is false, & if false, then true.  
> The new name (as of today) of the computer program formerly referred to as ?FaceBook.? 
	~ RSz. 102821
?

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Fri Oct 29 01:06:46 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 01:06:46 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] FaceBook / Meta
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META-
1. a prefix appearing in loanwords from Greek, with the meanings ?after,? ?along with,? ?beyond,? ?among,? ?behind,? and productive in English on the Greek model: metacarpus; metalinguistics.

> [ 2. meanings in chemistry omitted. ] 
 
Also, esp. before a vowel, met-.
[< Greek, prefix and preposition]
	? online dictionary

1. a. Later in time: metestrus.
b. At a later stage of development: metanephros.
2. Situated behind: metacarpus.
3. a. Change; transformation: metachromatism.
b. Alternation: metagenesis.
4. a. More comprehensive: meta-analysis.
b. Describing or showing an awareness of the activity that is taking place or being discussed; self-referential: metafiction.
c. At a higher state of development: metazoan.
5. Having undergone metamorphosis: metasomatic.
[meanings in chemistry omitted ] 

=> Noteworthy:  
A book by Aristotle is titled ?Metaphysics,? meaning that ancient editors decided that it properly comes after or in addition to the ?Physics,? which is Aristotle?s philosophy of nature or natural history/philosophy.  
> cp. meta-analysis, an analysis or interpretive account of the results of a number of previous experiments or analyses.  
> metalanguage: the language used to talk about another language.
This is sometimes needed to avoid the paradoxes of self-reference ?  e.g. ?This statement is false?: if true, then it is false, & if false, then true.  
> The new name (as of today) of the computer program formerly referred to as ?FaceBook.? 
	~ RSz. 102821
?

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Fri Oct 29 04:22:22 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 23:22:22 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] October 28, 2021
Message-ID: <B445307A-F0A4-4FDC-8924-50A722EF8EB9@newsfromneptune.com>

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-28-2021

From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 16:10:21 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:10:21 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?NYT=3A_Is_=E2=80=98Havana_Syndrome?=
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/26/opinion/havana-syndrome-disorder.html

A thorough takedown of "Havana Syndrome." Executive summary: Judy Miller,
Russia-Cuba version.

Note this in particular:

[...]

The case for skepticism

Despite the lack of conclusive evidence that U.S. officials were victims of
?targeted attacks,? much less of secret microwave weapons deployed by a
foreign power, many intelligence officials and journalists seem
increasingly convinced of the narrative. The latest big story
<https://puck.news/havana-syndrome-in-bidens-washington/?utm_code=julia%40puck.news>
 on the ?Havana syndrome,? published in the media outlet Puck News, led
with the following admission from the author, the national security
reporter Julia Ioffe: ?I always suspected that these illnesses were the
product of deliberate attacks and that the Russian government was behind
them ? it was exactly the kind of weird thing they?d be both into and
capable of.?

Americans should be wary of how the ?Havana syndrome? is being framed in
this way as a warrant for retaliatory action, Natalie Shure argues
<https://newrepublic.com/article/164088/havana-syndrome-colin-powell-war> in
The New Republic.

   -

   In May, she notes, former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller
   referred
   <https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/03/acting-pentagon-chief-miller-attacks-485236>
    to the ?Havana syndrome? as an ?act of war.?
   -

   More recently, the House Foreign Affairs Committee has reportedly begun
   marking up <https://twitter.com/aidachavez/status/1450562819632549894> a
   bill calling for sanctions against whoever ?directed or carried out the
   Havana Syndrome attacks.?
   -

   This month, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida accused skeptics of the
   targeted microwave attack theory like Baloh of being ?influence agents
   <https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/08/us-investigators-increasingly-confident-directed-energy-attacks-behind-havana-syndrome-515693>?
   paid by foreign powers.

   [...]

   Perhaps most shocking, in Shure?s view, an anonymous member of the
   intelligence community quoted in Ioffe?s story seemed to call for punishing
   the alleged culprits, alluding to intelligence of ?medium confidence? that
   the alleged culprits were Russian.

   ?Of course, we also invaded Iraq with ?medium confidence,?? Shure
   writes. ?If ?Havana syndrome? has mercifully yet to be used to agitate for
   war as concretely as the imaginary nukes of Iraq were, it?s clearly been
   seized on by a national security apparatus formidably expanded since 9/11 ?
   and if more people don?t come to their senses, harm will surely result.?
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