From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  1 14:20:15 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:20:15 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The US leaving Afghanistan
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"There are a lot of warmongers rending their garments over the termination of a decades-long military occupation which accomplished nothing besides making war profiteers wealthy and killing hundreds of thousands of people. Almost as ridiculous are the countless pundits and politicians hailing this as some kind of major accomplishment that Americans should be proud of.
Pride, praise and celebration are not the appropriate emotional response to the day. The appropriate response to a decades-overdue withdrawal from a war that should never have happened in the first place is rage. Unmitigated rage at an unforgivable atrocity which amassed a mountain of corpses for no legitimate reason, from which the region will probably not recover in our lifetime. Unmitigated rage at those responsible for starting and maintaining this horror all this time.
This is not something that Biden should be applauded for. Nobody deserves praise or credit for ending a twenty-year disaster, especially one they helped start. Nobody applauds the mass shooter for finally setting down the rifle."
- Caity Johnstone

From brussel at illinois.edu  Thu Sep  2 05:13:52 2021
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 05:13:52 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Why David Clennon Refused Audition for Hit &
 Run, a Netflix Israeli Co-pro
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Well worth a listen!

https://theanalysis.news/why-david-clennon-refused-audition-for-hit-run-a-netflix-israeli-co-pro/?cmid=424e6b38-f132-46bc-a72d-1e1be1491b53

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  4 23:55:12 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 18:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: The Ludlow Bill or Agreement
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: karen aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
> Date: September 4, 2021 at 6:54:29 PM CDT
> To: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
> Subject: The Ludlow Bill or Agreement
> 
> I'm reminded of my support for a By-Law, I proposed when elected to the BOD of the International School of Bangkok in 1988. It wasn't my idea, but I liked it enough to propose it. It required a referendum by the parents who paid the private school fee's, when the BOD elected a huge increase in tuition or proposed a bond, etc. My proposal was put down by friends and foes alike as impinging on the duties and powers of the BOD.
> 
> Later I had a chance though failed, to vote out a proposal to add to the BY-Law addressing Executive Session meetings by adding to "All matters of personnel, expulsion or negotiations," the addition of "all important matters." I criticized it as it was unclear, vague and open to interpretation.
> 
> At the time I had been privy to information that it was a member of USAID, who met with the BOD in executive session and suggested the building of a new school. One can only guess where this led, lot's of money, lot's of real estate development, etc. Some people leaving the country and their jobs, as they couldn't afford the high fees. My opposition was struck down by the BOD, most of whom were corporate employee's, later profiting from real estate development.
> 
> Now I'm reading of the Ludlow Bill promoted in the thirty's, rejected first by Roosevelt, later by Congress. Always the same excuse. "It infringes on the duty and powers of the USG. and/or Congress." Maybe it's time we do infringe on the powers of the government, since it has failed to represent the will of the people.
> Maybe it's time to raise the Ludlow Bill again. Though I doubt it will pass, and/or it will be watered down like every other reform we attempt, it's worth a try.
> See below from Wikipedia, the history of attempts over the years to reign in US war making.
> 
> Wars and interventions
> United States:
> 1812 North America
> House Federalists? Address
> 1847 Mexican?American War
> Spot Resolutions
> 1917 World War I
> Filibuster of the Armed Ship Bill
> 1935?1939
> Neutrality Acts
> 1935?1940
> Ludlow Amendment
> 1970 Vietnam
> McGovern?Hatfield Amendment
> 1970 Southeast Asia
> Cooper?Church Amendment
> 1971 Vietnam
> Repeal of Tonkin Gulf Resolution
> 1973 Southeast Asia
> Case?Church Amendment
> 1973
> War Powers Resolution
> 1974
> Hughes?Ryan Amendment
> 1976 Angola
> Clark Amendment
> 1982 Nicaragua
> Boland Amendment
> 2007 Iraq
> House Concurrent Resolution 63
> 2018?2019 Yemen
> Yemen War Powers Resolution
> 

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  5 23:30:46 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 18:30:46 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Leonard Peltiers birthday
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Gloria La Riva <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011358255591&__cft__[0]=AZU-YA0ikuUbrBEAy6AUnRzoBfo2ACWN0-bdwEdo-sv94vwGMyFeyqGyua5cx-_JtoKSqVHKtT7yMEhp3mS-6WfVv-hsdsumnUmYqXadFcqxUMZqnLG2-JyOF6G-DvUVF5ji2XdWYWSOoPc5_IsBpq-Habu88rQq3TeZXhOHfie8HQ&__tn__=-]C%2CP-R> is with Dan Kovalik <https://www.facebook.com/dan.kovalik.9?__cft__[0]=AZU-YA0ikuUbrBEAy6AUnRzoBfo2ACWN0-bdwEdo-sv94vwGMyFeyqGyua5cx-_JtoKSqVHKtT7yMEhp3mS-6WfVv-hsdsumnUmYqXadFcqxUMZqnLG2-JyOF6G-DvUVF5ji2XdWYWSOoPc5_IsBpq-Habu88rQq3TeZXhOHfie8HQ&__tn__=-]C%2CP-R> and 99 others.

17m <https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1718851081836817&id=100011358255591&__cft__[0]=AZU-YA0ikuUbrBEAy6AUnRzoBfo2ACWN0-bdwEdo-sv94vwGMyFeyqGyua5cx-_JtoKSqVHKtT7yMEhp3mS-6WfVv-hsdsumnUmYqXadFcqxUMZqnLG2-JyOF6G-DvUVF5ji2XdWYWSOoPc5_IsBpq-Habu88rQq3TeZXhOHfie8HQ&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R>  ? 
In one week exactly it is Leonard Peltier's birthday, September 12. He will be 77 years. Please send him birthday greetings and love and solidarity. Remember he cannot receive cards or anything that is not just white paper and envelope. His address is:
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USP Coleman I
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And let's keep working to get Leonard Free!
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Mon Sep  6 23:26:50 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 18:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] More use of FARA as means of challenging critics
Message-ID: <1ab5ba28-a240-16b4-204c-c715b5c4a4ec@forestfield.org>

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JuzlvluSGbw -- "US govt records 33k calls of US-Iranian 
author charged as foreign agent"

Kaveh Afrasiabi is an author of Iranian descent who is being targeted by the US 
Government. The USG claims Afrasiabi didn't register as a foreign agent 15 years ago 
as required by FARA, the Foreign Agent Registration Act. It's not clear if the USG 
asked him to register under FARA 15 years ago or why the USG didn't ask him to do so 
then. Apparently the USG has collected 33,000 of his phone calls. Edward Korman, US 
Federal Judge, has said of this case against Afrasiabi, "I have an assistant U.S. 
attorney who is dragging out discovery to no end." but however challenging to the 
legitimacy of this case this may seem it can't be that much of a challenge because 
the case lingers on.

The Biden/Harris administration's prosecution of this case reminds me of what the 
Obama/Biden administration said and did against RT while Russiagate was ramping up -- 
in both cases FARA is a useful tool against select opponents whom the USG wants to 
make an example of. In RT's case, other foreign outlets weren't so challenged (BBC, 
CBC, etc.). It's probably no accident that those outlets are far more docile and 
eager to repeat USG propaganda than RT has been. They never host shows from people 
like Chris Hedges, Jesse Ventura & Brigida Santos or Jimmy Dore (who guest hosted 
"The World According to Jesse Ventura" when Ventura was away), and Lee Camp who all 
sharply question USG policy.

From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 15:42:42 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:42:42 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?b?TllUOiDigJhJbW1pbmVudCBUaHJlYXTigJkg?=
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https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000007963596/us-drone-attack-kabul-investigation.html

By Christoph Koettl, Evan Hill, Matthieu Aikins, Eric Schmitt, Ainara
Tiefenth?ler and Drew Jordan?September 10, 2021

The New York Times obtained exclusive security camera footage and witness
accounts to show how the military launched a drone strike that killed 10
people in Kabul on Aug. 29 without knowing whom it was hitting.
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Sep 15 00:43:54 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:43:54 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recent Jimmy Dore shows are worth your time
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Jimmy Dore is live (https://youtube.com/watch?v=TT29tnrhqNk) with Nick 
Cruse (of the Fred Hampton Leftists show) as I write this and they're 
covering the recent kerfuffle over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez attending a 
$30,000/ticket gala at the Met wearing a dress which reads "Tax the 
Rich" which was made by a Canadian immigrant from Toronto. Of course, 
AOC played up the immigration without clearly pointing out the 
immigration was from a neighboring state.

Jimmy Dore also said that Nina Turner, who recently lost her run for 
federal Congress, is joining The Young Turks, Dore's former employer and 
an organization that has multiply attempted to smear Dore, Glenn 
Greenwald, and Aaron Mat? among other notable actual journalists doing 
real journalistic work. It looks like it's only a matter of time until 
Turner will join in the lying and smearing TYT does.

They're also covering the recent G. W. Bush speech on 9/11 and the 
liberals fawning over former Pres. Bush as the establishment still tries 
to rehab Bush's image. Jimmy Dore pointed out that the Democrats and 
"shit-libs" (as Dore calls them) hate Ralph Nader because Nader "gave us 
George [W.] Bush" but now the shit-libs love G. W. Bush and still hate 
Nader.

Another Jimmy Dore show -- now available on Dore's channel archived as 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg -- is well worth watching, it's 
about 1h 15m of Dr. Robert Malone explaining vaccines, US vaccine 
policy, and telling us how we're not going to vaccinate ourselves out of 
this pandemic even under ideal conditions.

-J

From brussel at illinois.edu  Wed Sep 15 02:35:20 2021
From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 02:35:20 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recent Jimmy Dore shows are worth your time
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Apropos of the Dore show with Robt. Malone: Useful to hear about the power of the pharma industry. 
Malone's comments relative to the dangers of vaccines cite results from Israel which have been disputed.  
What i find more interesting  is that there was no mention of the success of China in dealing with the Covid virus: Has its dramatic success been due to a use of vaccines or due to their authoritariann system of detecting, tracing and enforced isolation in their population?   
Also, way too much time (after the half way point) was devoted to the things not directly relevent to Covid prevention,  instead discussing the Ivermecin drug? its efficacy/usefulness, or not . A Dore issue. 

my 2?.  

> On Sep 14, 2021, at 7:43 PM, J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Jimmy Dore is live (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtube.com/watch?v=TT29tnrhqNk__;!!DZ3fjg!slii2cf5qLnRUaEviIcTa62uQ22BkthcsShcK7lnz6i8pGopcY1_9pPUTqTH_vw$ ) with Nick Cruse (of the Fred Hampton Leftists show) as I write this and they're covering the recent kerfuffle over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez attending a $30,000/ticket gala at the Met wearing a dress which reads "Tax the Rich" which was made by a Canadian immigrant from Toronto. Of course, AOC played up the immigration without clearly pointing out the immigration was from a neighboring state.
> 
> Jimmy Dore also said that Nina Turner, who recently lost her run for federal Congress, is joining The Young Turks, Dore's former employer and an organization that has multiply attempted to smear Dore, Glenn Greenwald, and Aaron Mat? among other notable actual journalists doing real journalistic work. It looks like it's only a matter of time until Turner will join in the lying and smearing TYT does.
> 
> They're also covering the recent G. W. Bush speech on 9/11 and the liberals fawning over former Pres. Bush as the establishment still tries to rehab Bush's image. Jimmy Dore pointed out that the Democrats and "shit-libs" (as Dore calls them) hate Ralph Nader because Nader "gave us George [W.] Bush" but now the shit-libs love G. W. Bush and still hate Nader.
> 
> Another Jimmy Dore show -- now available on Dore's channel archived as https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg__;!!DZ3fjg!slii2cf5qLnRUaEviIcTa62uQ22BkthcsShcK7lnz6i8pGopcY1_9pPUsm-kU_g$  -- is well worth watching, it's about 1h 15m of Dr. Robert Malone explaining vaccines, US vaccine policy, and telling us how we're not going to vaccinate ourselves out of this pandemic even under ideal conditions.
> 
> -J
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 15:04:03 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 11:04:03 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Joe Gould: "Khanna-Sanders NDAA amdmt wld end US
 aid to Saudi war in Yemen"
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https://twitter.com/reporterjoe/status/1437842462559645701

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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Wed Sep 15 21:09:01 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:09:01 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Did you see this?
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References: <ddbf3666a85291fceae2027a5ed2a533@forestfield.org>
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https://www.unz.com/pescobar/9-9-and-9-11-20-years-later/

From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Sep 15 22:31:46 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 17:31:46 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recent Jimmy Dore shows are worth your time
In-Reply-To: <F21C14E4-7D8F-4EAD-85D6-7F4C75561D1F@illinois.edu>
References: <ddbf3666a85291fceae2027a5ed2a533@forestfield.org>
 <F21C14E4-7D8F-4EAD-85D6-7F4C75561D1F@illinois.edu>
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Brussel, Morton K wrote:
> What i find more interesting  is that there was no mention of the success of China
> in dealing with the Covid virus: Has its dramatic success been due to a use of
> vaccines or due to their authoritariann system of detecting, tracing and enforced
> isolation in their population?

Although Dore & Malone didn't get into that, Dore has discussed the success of 
dealing with Covid-19 in other countries (China, Vietnam, Italy, and Sweden are what 
I can recall) during his live show. The live show in its entirety is available at the 
time they record the show live and later to subscribers. Dore's position on this 
comes from comparing published articles since (as he tells people) he doesn't have 
independent knowledge of what's going on in each of those countries. Dore also brings 
up that other countries treat their locked-down workers far differently than the US: 
other countries pay some part of a worker's salary but the US doesn't do this. The 
payments appear to help compliance with lockdown.

Dore has invited Malone back on and I'm guessing that they'll get into more topics 
later. In this episode, Malone had to leave and that segment was one of Dore's longer 
segments (over an hour). I don't recall an instance where someone was invited back to 
Dore's show and didn't come back so I'm guessing there's more to come.


> Also, way too much time (after the half way point) was devoted to the things not
> directly relevent to Covid prevention,  instead discussing the Ivermecin drug? its
> efficacy/usefulness, or not . A Dore issue.

Jimmy Dore is in a study involving his own treatment. I don't know about any more 
details about the study than were presented in that segment. I'm sure there will be 
more to come on that when the study results are released.

Dore has spoken a couple of times about his own use of Ivermectin; he has 
consistently said it relieved joint pains he got after getting vaccinated (he's had 
the double dose -- fully-vaccinated). He's also said that although he's never been 
infected with Covid-19 after he got the jabs he felt horrible and now presents with 
"long Covid" symptoms. Dore has also been quite candid about his own medical history 
with a degenerative bone disease he had to get a specialist to treat. This drives 
some of his interest in Medicare for All.

-J

From jbn at forestfield.org  Thu Sep 16 00:25:16 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:25:16 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recent Jimmy Dore shows are worth your time
In-Reply-To: <ddbf3666a85291fceae2027a5ed2a533@forestfield.org>
References: <ddbf3666a85291fceae2027a5ed2a533@forestfield.org>
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I wrote:
> Jimmy Dore is live [...] with Nick Cruse (of the Fred Hampton Leftists show) as I
> write this and they're covering the recent kerfuffle over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
> attending a $30,000/ticket gala at the Met wearing a dress which reads "Tax the
> Rich" which was made by a Canadian immigrant from Toronto. Of course, AOC played
> up the immigration without clearly pointing out the immigration was from a
> neighboring state.
And, as Glenn Greenwald brought up on tonight's Jimmy Dore live show 
(https://youtube.com/watch?v=CQVmojM6ckc) -- the seamstress' boyfriend is a 
multi-millionaire, further pointing out the ridiculousness behind trying to paint her 
as a typical immigrant.

Greenwald was great to see tonight he had many great points on:

- the insane shit-lib position Chelsea Manning took in the recent publicly-posted and 
utterly unjustifiable tirade against Greenwald,

- the public deafness to hearing common liberal insults of antisemitism, misogyny, 
and racism due their reckless overuse,

- AOC's recent performative display on her Met gala gown which was not only silly in 
itself (and in no way a challenge to the establishment, of which she is a member) but 
worn without a mask as the working-class assistants wore masks while carrying her 
gown's train,

and more.

And now he's talking about mandatory vaccine hypocrisy, wisdom, and mismanagement.

From jbn at forestfield.org  Thu Sep 16 02:39:39 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 21:39:39 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air,
 News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV
Message-ID: <5ba2141d-23b4-03e6-ce6d-489d445c8ecc@forestfield.org>

Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, 
and Labor's World View TV.

As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your 
pointers to Jason Liggett (jcliggett at urbanaillinois.us). I routinely ask him to 
prioritize AWARE members pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & 
David Green's pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's pointers 
over mine for Labor's World View TV.

Jason has let us know that he'll soon leave UPTV (best wishes on his next job!). We 
don't yet have a new email address or recipient to send recommended videos but as 
soon as I learn what that address is, I'll update these posts to let you know where 
to send your AWARE video recommendations.

-J



Empire Files
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hjZwwx8D4AA (4m 52s) -- "Afghanistan War Pays Off BIG For 
Generals Who Lied"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BKCVN4hmrmo (12m 58s) -- "Never Forget: Lessons of the 
Post-9/11 Warpath"



Consortium News
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7rB4t8WqLKU (2h 59m 56s) -- "CN Live! S3E10 AFGHANISTAN: 
The 20-Year Disaster"



RT
https://youtube.com/watch?v=umi76JvPiNs (26m 4s) -- "Inverted Totalitarianism" -- 
Chris Hedges interviews Professor Wendy Brown about the late Sheldon Wolin.
Transcript: 
https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/534584-cornel-west-wolin-democracy-incorporated/

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_wf4rY963FY (25m 40s) -- "The Age of Manufactured 
Ignorance" -- Chris Hedges interview Henry A. Giroux.
Transcript: 
https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/534383-henry-giroux-age-manufactured-ignorance/



Status Coup
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Du_0nWV9i2U (20m 29s) -- "Starbucks Workers SPEAK OUT on 
Insane Company Union-Busting"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1WfhiAZ3Z1w (12m 5s) -- "Starbucks Workers Launch Union 
Drive in Buffalo"



More Perfect Union
https://youtube.com/watch?v=We3BPp0uLnE (7m 8s) -- "Shocking Racism at Tesla Revealed 
by Current Employee"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uEid6y3wP0M (5m 8s) -- "EXPOSED: Los Angeles Sweatshops"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hjKCm4bNfqY (7m 42s) -- "Corporate Democrats Try To 
OVERTHROW Progressive Slate"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NujgRMAu3ho (4m 43s) -- "Nurses Are Leading A National 
Labor Uprising"



theAnalysis.News
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ptMa-9M5gPg (1h 17m 19s) -- "9/11 Lies and the National 
Security State - Thomas Drake"



BreakThrough News
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bxtjCVHyu7I (15m 46s) -- "One Week On, Suffering from 
Hurricane Ida is Ongoing"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=te9gp4jQ62k (19m 6s) -- "Guinea's Shiny New Military 
Government, Brought to You by U.S. Interference"


laborvideo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qtYmXfG-JqU (47m 9s) -- "US Labor Imperialism, The CIA, 
NED, "Solidarity Center", Afghanistan & The AFL-CIO With Kim Scipes"

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 16 09:52:56 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 04:52:56 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] From the Tehran Times 2008
Message-ID: <BL3PR19MB53239669135B310A7F9C0210A3DC9@BL3PR19MB5323.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

The below is why many, like myself view issues related to foreign policy through a geo-political strategic lens, known as the ?Great Game."
Iraq smoke screen  

Opinion <https://www.tehrantimes.com/service/others/opinion>
November 20, 2008 - 0:0
All eyes are on Iraq, and that should tell you that?s where they want you to look.

In military parlance, it?s called a diversion. 
It could also be called a smoke screen. 
Of course, the Iraq war is an important issue and warrants extensive analysis and media coverage, but it?s not the only issue in the world. 
And just what is the Iraq smoke screen supposed to be covering up? 
Many say the Iraq war is meant to divert attention from the fact that the powers that be have designs on Central Asia. 
U.S. President-elect Barack Obama has said that he plans to withdraw forces from Iraq and transfer troops to Afghanistan, which would be a major shift of focus to Central Asia. 
And former U.S. national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski is one of Obama?s foreign policy advisors. 
According to Brzezinski?s theory, control of the Eurasian landmass is the key to global domination and control of Central Asia is the key to control of the Eurasian landmass. 
It seems that Russia and China have been paying attention to Brzezinski?s theory, since they formed the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in 2001, ostensibly to curb extremism in the region and enhance border security, but most probably with the real objective of counterbalancing the activities of the United States and NATO in Central Asia. 
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan are the other full members of the SCO, and the organization granted observer status to Mongolia in 2004 and to Iran, Pakistan, and India in 2005. 
Iran has expressed interest in becoming a full member, and its accession to the SCO would change the geopolitical equations in Central Asia. 
Central Asia is a key region of the globe, since it sits atop vast reserves of oil and gas and is at the crossroads of Asia and Europe. 
It will also be the main link in two major transport routes that are taking shape, the North-South Corridor between South Asia and Russia, and the New Silk Road, which is meant to be a recreation of the old trade route which ran from China to West Asia. 
Clearly, a number of global players are competing for influence in Central Asia in the New Great Game. 
South America is another area of concern for the global ruling class, especially since an Indigenous reawakening and a wave of anti-globalization sentiment have swept across the continent, leading to electoral victories in Venezuela, Bolivia, and Ecuador for presidents with a social justice agenda and a decidedly anti-imperialist bent. 
Venezuela President Hugo Chavez, Bolivian President Evo Morales, and Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa are all opposed to neoliberalism and the Washington Consensus. 
The winds of change are blowing across the continent, and there is a sense of hope in South America that has not been seen in 500 years. 
And over the past few years, South America has become the center of the anti-globalization movement. 
This development has upset the plans of the moguls of globalization, who have undoubtedly devised intrigues to reverse the trend. 
In South Asia, the people of Kashmir have risen up in a people power movement challenging Indian rule. However, the globalists will certainly try to undermine the Kashmir liberation movement and delay its inevitable victory as long as possible since they have used the conflict as a source of instability that has prevented India and Pakistan from realizing their full potential for over six decades, which has allowed the neocolonialists to exercise a degree of control over South Asia. 
Meanwhile, there is no end in sight to the horrific war in the Democratic Republic of Congo, which has left over five million people dead. 
Congo is a mineral-rich country that is the key to the development of Central Africa and all of sub-Saharan Africa. As long as Congo is down, Africa cannot rise up. 
And the extensive focus on the Iraq war could also be meant to divert attention from the impending collapse of the dollar, which will probably lead to an economic meltdown of unprecedented proportions and a great depression in the U.S. and possibly even the adoption of a new common currency, the amero, in the three countries of the North American Free Trade Agreement, the United States, Canada, and Mexico. 
Perhaps the Iraq war is also meant to divert attention from world hunger, which should be a major issue for all people of conscience. 
Today, 18,000 children died of hunger and hunger-related causes. And tomorrow 18,000 children will die, and the next day 18,000 children will die. And the next day and the next day will be the same if nothing is done. 
But somehow, media outlets do not cover this issue extensively, and proposals to end world hunger are not being seriously discussed in the corridors of power. Some say just the opposite is true, claiming there are efforts underway to increase hunger as part of a global depopulation program. 
And, incredible as it might seem, the Iraq war is even a diversion from the Iraq war itself. 
The superficial facts about the Iraq war -? how many U.S. soldiers and insurgents have been killed on a given day, another bombing, another kidnapping, etc., etc., etc. -? are actually meant to divert attention from the real issues and objectives of the Iraq war, such as the fact that it is a war on the past, present, and future since the occupiers have targeted the country?s cultural heritage and national cohesion and even the Iraqi people?s gene pool. 
In reality, the Iraq war is a genocidal war in which the U.S. military has used a mutagenic weapon, depleted uranium, which has given Iraqis genetic damage, caused a significant rise in birth defects, and irreversibly irradiated large swathes of Iraq; the occupiers are fanning the flames of sectarian and ethnic strife to pit the Sunnis against the Shias and the Arabs against the Kurds in order to destabilize the country and the region through managed chaos; and a program of cultural destruction is underway in which much of the world?s cultural heritage has been lost, as evidenced in the looting of the National Museum of Iraq after the fall of Baghdad in 2003 and the ongoing damage being inflicted on important archaeological sites like Ur, Uruk, Babylon, Nineveh, and Nippur. 
The world is going through dramatic changes and will probably be unrecognizable in a few years, so don?t let the Iraq smoke screen cloud your vision. 
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Sep 17 00:19:59 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:19:59 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended video that I would have included in the
 set of videos I usually post...
Message-ID: <35eaa3a9-acda-9754-b176-cda1d7fd4750@forestfield.org>

Jimmy Dore made a video that, unfortunately, contains a swear word. I would have 
recommended the video for playing during Labor's World View TV:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BLlbAZ1Q-Mo (12m 32s) -- "Nabisco Strike Goes Nationwide"

Please don't buy Nabisco products as long as their workers are on strike.

-J

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 17 12:35:15 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 07:35:15 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The dangerous folly of the newly-announced #AUSUK
 military pact between the US,
 Britain and Australia - part of the US project to "strengthen and renew its
 Pivot to Asia through unashamedly militaristic means."
Message-ID: <BL3PR19MB5323F24F5FAC1DED1B24301DA3DD9@BL3PR19MB5323.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

https://socialistchina.org/2021/09/17/kate-hudson-why-we-say-no-to-ausuk/

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 17 13:08:24 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 08:08:24 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "The Winner in Afghanistan is China." By Alfred
 McCoy
Message-ID: <BL3PR19MB5323291D43217932096433BDA3DD9@BL3PR19MB5323.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>


One of the best articles, complying with that of Pepe Escobar, another expert on the area of Eurasia.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/15/the-winner-in-afghanistan-china/

From moboct1 at aim.com  Fri Sep 17 13:15:30 2021
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:15:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] The dangerous folly of the newly-announced
 #AUSUK military pact between the US,
 Britain and Australia - part of the US project to "strengthen and renew its
 Pivot to Asia through unashamedly militaristic means."
In-Reply-To: <BL3PR19MB5323F24F5FAC1DED1B24301DA3DD9@BL3PR19MB5323.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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ZIGGY LI VES!??(thank you, Jummy Carter and other followers...)

mo'b
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Sat Sep 18 20:54:44 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 15:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Drone war means war against innocent civilians and
 no amount of propaganda will cover for that
Message-ID: <3a70c1cc-8f8a-caa6-a94b-ec706fdf167b@forestfield.org>

https://on.rt.com/bgxn entitled " ?A mistake?: US admits Kabul drone strike killed 10 
civilians, incl. 7 children, and NO ISIS-K terrorists; no one will be punished":

> After weeks of insisting the August 29 drone strike in Kabul killed an ISIS-K
> terrorist, US Central Command has admitted that the victims were all civilians,
> including children, but reportedly won?t discipline anyone involved.
> 
> Marine General Kenneth McKenzie, head of CENTCOM, on Friday announced that the
> Hellfire missile fired at a home in Kabul just before the US airlift ended did not
> in fact kill a facilitator of Islamic State Khorasan (ISIS-K) terrorist group.
> 
> The drone strike in Kabul ?was a mistake,? McKenzie said, acknowledging that ?ten
> civilians, including up to seven children were tragically killed.?
> 
> The strike was ordered in ?earnest belief that it would prevent an imminent threat
> to our forces,? but ?it was a mistake and I offer my sincere apology,? he added,
> offering ?profound condolences? to the relatives of those killed.


That apology is the extent to which anyone responsible will pay a price for their 
assassination of innocent civilians.

But in the recent past...

> General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on September 1
> that all the proper procedures had been followed, calling it a ?righteous strike?
> and repeating the original CENTCOM claim that ?secondary explosions? proved the
> targeted vehicle was loaded with explosives.
> 
> A New York Times investigation published on September 10, however, found no traces
> of secondary explosions in the courtyard of the targeted home. The white Toyota
> belonged to Zemari Ahmadi, who was not an ISIS-K terrorist but an employee of
> Nutrition & Education International, a US-funded charity. He had just applied for
> a visa to emigrate to the US with his family.


Lying about justifications for war and speaking from ignorance about who was killed 
and why are standard operating procedures for the US Government. As Edward Snowden 
said of Daniel Hale (recently-jailed leaker of US military information about drone 
war), "His crime was telling this truth: 90% of those killed by U.S. drones are 
bystanders, not the intended targets. He should have been given a medal.". Drone 
attacks against American citizens run much the same way -- extrajudicially killing 
innocents; the drone attacks on father and son al-Awlakis (both American citizens who 
were killed in separate drone attacks under the Obama/Biden administration, two 
eminently impeachable crimes).

So, put simply, there is no way to stand for or endorse drone war without also 
endorsing killing (overwhelmingly) innocent civilians.

But what is the anti-war left willing to accept?

We can look at the propaganda from former presidential candidate and Hawaiian 
Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard who was widely credited as being "anti-war" 
(MintPressNews.com, Huffington Post, others), "a candidate who is principled" (Jimmy 
Dore), a "peace candidate" (CrossTalk), etc. for guidance. Then Rep. Gabbard offered 
The Intercept in a 2018 interview 
(https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/intercepted-podcast-white-mirror/):

> Jeremy Scahill: I?m wondering what your position, I know that in the past you have
> said that you favor a small footprint approach with strike forces and limited use
> of weaponized drones. Is that still your position that you think that?s the ? to
> the extent that you believe the U.S. military should be used around the world for
> counterterrorism, is that still your position?
> 
> Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: Well, when we?re dealing with the unconventional threat of
> terrorist groups like ISIS, al Qaeda and some of these other groups that are
> affiliated with them, we should not be using basically what has been and continues
> to be the current policy of these mass mobilization of troops, these long
> occupations and trillions of dollars going in, really abusing the Authorization to
> Use Military Force and taking action that expands far beyond the legal limitations
> of those current AUMFs.
> 
> So, with these terrorist cells, for example, yes, I do still believe that the
> right approach to take is these quick strike forces, surgical strikes, in and out,
> very quickly, no long-term deployment, no long-term occupation to be able to get
> rid of the threat that exists and then get out and the very limited use of drones
> in those situations where our military is not able to get in without creating an
> unacceptable level of risk, and where you can make sure that you?re not causing,
> you know, a large amount of civilian casualties.

Trying to conflate the precision a surgeon exhibits in surgery with a bombing attack 
("surgical strike") is pro-war propaganda. But this apparently didn't faze most 
anti-war left commentators. When measured by the effects on the targets, her approach 
also means the US can make as many "surgical strikes" or "quick strike forces" as the 
US wants over time which amounts to being indistinguishable from the "long-term 
deployment" that she said she didn't favor.

In 2016 Gabbard told West Hawaii Today:

> The congresswoman has taken a hard line against terrorist groups, but opposes
> military conflicts justified in part as serving national security interests down
> the line by installing more cooperative governments.
> 
> ?In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I?m a hawk,? Gabbard said.
> ?When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I?m a dove.?

The US Government apparently lies about its attacks and doesn't care to distinguish 
innocent civilians from what the US calls "terrorists". That not only suggests that 
the term "terrorist" is more apt for describing the US but it means that the 
distinction among types of warring Gabbard accepted/promoted versus what she objected 
to are not an actionable distinction at all. And it also means that the anti-war left 
has a horribly low, even exploitably-low, standard.

From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Sun Sep 19 20:31:35 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 16:31:35 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] @RepBowman: "Our military presence in Syria must
 not continue w/o Congressional approval."
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNTdd0mhpNowu9064YxPR2oD0RtxwnXMN94EiHLz-EtT-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNTdd0mhpNowu9064YxPR2oD0RtxwnXMN94EiHLz-EtT-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALMNhNR0QEKSJULJNefsuamJUY7oEjR6FyjzMwEkjZq71aKjxA@mail.gmail.com>

Please RT and spread the news. If past is prologue, "House Democratic
leadership" might not be 100% jazzed about allowing a floor vote on whether
unconstitutional war in Syria should stop or continue. If past is prologue,
"House Democratic leadership" are inconstant friends on defending Article I
war powers. Help make sure that our inconstant friends on War Powers
Defense in the "House Democratic leadership" Do the Right Thing and allow a
floor vote on the Bowman-DeFazio-Khanna NDAA amendment to end
unconstitutional war in Syria by helping to make sure that lots of people
know about this before Jim McGovern's Rules Committee meets at noon
tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/repbowman/status/1438963676225196034

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From karenaram at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 19 22:45:28 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:45:28 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: 9/26 - National Day of Action Against Evictions
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> 
> From: Party for Socialism and Liberation Champaign-Urbana <pslchampaignurbana at gmail.com>
> Date: September 19, 2021 at 4:07:31 PM CDT
> 
> Subject: 9/26 - National Day of Action Against Evictions
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> We're holding a protest next Sunday (9/26) at 3PM, outside of the Sheriff's office (204 E. Main St., Urbana). The protest is part of a national day of action, called for by the Cancel the Rents <https://www.canceltherents.org/> movement. Here's the Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/929583357656029/
>  <https://www.facebook.com/events/929583357656029/>
> Illinois' eviction moratorium is set to expire on October 3rd, but the Sheriff has the power to extend it by refusing to carry out evictions. We're calling on the Sheriff's office to refuse to carry out evictions, echoing the national demands for Congress to cancel rents and mortgages, and working to build a local network of tenants to ensure that there are no evictions in Champaign county.
> 
> Please help us spread the word by sharing the Facebook event! We hope to see you there.
> 
> Solidarity,
> PSL-CU
> 
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From moboct1 at aim.com  Mon Sep 20 00:50:10 2021
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 00:50:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Drone war means war against innocent civilians
 and no amount of propaganda will cover for that
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What else can be expected from an 18-year Veteran officer of the US Army and Reserve and attractive Congressional Representative disguised as a "progressive" who talks a good talk, but when the surface is scratched is exposed as just another Hawk defending indefensible actions of the US military's Kill Chain? This is why it's so important that serious reporters like Jeremy Scahill ask the questions that MSM reporters are too timid or gullible to pursue.
 mo'b 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.ne
Sent: Sat, Sep 18, 2021 3:55 pm
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Drone war means war against innocent civilians and no amount of propaganda will cover for that

https://on.rt.com/bgxn entitled " ?A mistake?: US admits Kabul drone strike killed 10 
civilians, incl. 7 children, and NO ISIS-K terrorists; no one will be punished":

> After weeks of insisting the August 29 drone strike in Kabul killed an ISIS-K
> terrorist, US Central Command has admitted that the victims were all civilians,
> including children, but reportedly won?t discipline anyone involved.
> 
> Marine General Kenneth McKenzie, head of CENTCOM, on Friday announced that the
> Hellfire missile fired at a home in Kabul just before the US airlift ended did not
> in fact kill a facilitator of Islamic State Khorasan (ISIS-K) terrorist group.
> 
> The drone strike in Kabul ?was a mistake,? McKenzie said, acknowledging that ?ten
> civilians, including up to seven children were tragically killed.?
> 
> The strike was ordered in ?earnest belief that it would prevent an imminent threat
> to our forces,? but ?it was a mistake and I offer my sincere apology,? he added,
> offering ?profound condolences? to the relatives of those killed.


That apology is the extent to which anyone responsible will pay a price for their 
assassination of innocent civilians.

But in the recent past...

> General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on September 1
> that all the proper procedures had been followed, calling it a ?righteous strike?
> and repeating the original CENTCOM claim that ?secondary explosions? proved the
> targeted vehicle was loaded with explosives.
> 
> A New York Times investigation published on September 10, however, found no traces
> of secondary explosions in the courtyard of the targeted home. The white Toyota
> belonged to Zemari Ahmadi, who was not an ISIS-K terrorist but an employee of
> Nutrition & Education International, a US-funded charity. He had just applied for
> a visa to emigrate to the US with his family.


Lying about justifications for war and speaking from ignorance about who was killed 
and why are standard operating procedures for the US Government. As Edward Snowden 
said of Daniel Hale (recently-jailed leaker of US military information about drone 
war), "His crime was telling this truth: 90% of those killed by U.S. drones are 
bystanders, not the intended targets. He should have been given a medal.". Drone 
attacks against American citizens run much the same way -- extrajudicially killing 
innocents; the drone attacks on father and son al-Awlakis (both American citizens who 
were killed in separate drone attacks under the Obama/Biden administration, two 
eminently impeachable crimes).

So, put simply, there is no way to stand for or endorse drone war without also 
endorsing killing (overwhelmingly) innocent civilians.

But what is the anti-war left willing to accept?

We can look at the propaganda from former presidential candidate and Hawaiian 
Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard who was widely credited as being "anti-war" 
(MintPressNews.com, Huffington Post, others), "a candidate who is principled" (Jimmy 
Dore), a "peace candidate" (CrossTalk), etc. for guidance. Then Rep. Gabbard offered 
The Intercept in a 2018 interview 
(https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/intercepted-podcast-white-mirror/):

> Jeremy Scahill: I?m wondering what your position, I know that in the past you have
> said that you favor a small footprint approach with strike forces and limited use
> of weaponized drones. Is that still your position that you think that?s the ? to
> the extent that you believe the U.S. military should be used around the world for
> counterterrorism, is that still your position?
> 
> Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: Well, when we?re dealing with the unconventional threat of
> terrorist groups like ISIS, al Qaeda and some of these other groups that are
> affiliated with them, we should not be using basically what has been and continues
> to be the current policy of these mass mobilization of troops, these long
> occupations and trillions of dollars going in, really abusing the Authorization to
> Use Military Force and taking action that expands far beyond the legal limitations
> of those current AUMFs.
> 
> So, with these terrorist cells, for example, yes, I do still believe that the
> right approach to take is these quick strike forces, surgical strikes, in and out,
> very quickly, no long-term deployment, no long-term occupation to be able to get
> rid of the threat that exists and then get out and the very limited use of drones
> in those situations where our military is not able to get in without creating an
> unacceptable level of risk, and where you can make sure that you?re not causing,
> you know, a large amount of civilian casualties.

Trying to conflate the precision a surgeon exhibits in surgery with a bombing attack 
("surgical strike") is pro-war propaganda. But this apparently didn't faze most 
anti-war left commentators. When measured by the effects on the targets, her approach 
also means the US can make as many "surgical strikes" or "quick strike forces" as the 
US wants over time which amounts to being indistinguishable from the "long-term 
deployment" that she said she didn't favor.

In 2016 Gabbard told West Hawaii Today:

> The congresswoman has taken a hard line against terrorist groups, but opposes
> military conflicts justified in part as serving national security interests down
> the line by installing more cooperative governments.
> 
> ?In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I?m a hawk,? Gabbard said.
> ?When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I?m a dove.?

The US Government apparently lies about its attacks and doesn't care to distinguish 
innocent civilians from what the US calls "terrorists". That not only suggests that 
the term "terrorist" is more apt for describing the US but it means that the 
distinction among types of warring Gabbard accepted/promoted versus what she objected 
to are not an actionable distinction at all. And it also means that the anti-war left 
has a horribly low, even exploitably-low, standard.
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Mon Sep 20 01:35:00 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 20:35:00 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recent Jimmy Dore shows are worth your time
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I wrote:
> Jimmy Dore is in a study involving his own treatment. I don't know about any more 
> details about the study than were presented in that segment. I'm sure there will
> be more to come on that when the study results are released.

Here are the published separated segments (interviews with Dr. Ram Yogendra) in which 
Jimmy Dore mentioned being a part of a 'long COVID' study at the start of each 
segment. Neither segment gets into details about that study or Dore's participation 
(which I expect will be covered later after the trial is over and study results are 
available), but I post this and summaries of what is in these segments to back my own 
claims.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=tcAHvj6B1Nk (29m 57s) -- "Why Vaccine Mandates Are A Bad 
Idea"

Highlights from this segment:

- COVID-19 vaccines available now don't prevent the fully-vaccinated from getting 
COVID-19, don't prevent the fully-vaccinated from "shedding" (as the doctors say) or 
conveying COVID-19 to others. So if one is standing next to a fully-vaccinated person 
and an unvaccinated person and one gets COVID-19 from one of those two people, one 
can't tell who they got COVID-19 from.

- The alleged 'public health' basis for the vaccine mandates is completely upended by 
the above; the vaccine mandates make no medical sense.

- A vaccine mandate violates medical ethics (which favors individual freedom to make 
choices even if their death is imminent), vaccine mandates were objected to by both 
Pres. Elect Biden (who was on record saying he would not have such a mandate) and 
Speaker Pelosi (who claimed the US could not legally have such a mandate due to 
privacy law), and vaccine mandates have consequences that are expensive and invasive 
(such as the Chicago bus drivers who quit their jobs rather than comply with a 
vaccine mandate).

- Advice from Dr. Yogendra to have medical professionals tell the public the truth -- 
there are questions to which they simply don't have an answer. We simply don't yet 
know all we need to know about COVID-19 and the answer that will lead to ordinary 
people trusting authorities more is "We don't yet know". This might not lead to more 
people choosing to become vaccinated, but it will tend toward increasing trust which 
is a necessary prerequisite for specific treatments.



https://youtube.com/watch?v=5U_LlkWbn-c (23m 3s) -- "Joe Rogan Quickly Beats 
COVID--Establishment OUTRAGED!" which gets into media coverage of Ivermectin, one of 
the drugs Joe Rogan said he took during the days when Rogan felt horribly run-down as 
a result of COVID-19.

Highlights from this segment:

- Jimmy Dore cites plenty of cases of false information about ivermectin being 
"unapproved" and framing ivermectin as a "horse dewormer" -- the kind of medical 
disinformation/misinformation non-establishment people and groups would be censored 
for echoing but apparently establishment media is allowed to write and publish 
without warning or censorship (as Dore points out, "you never get in trouble when you 
lie at the behest of the establishment"). The US FDA is in the set of establishment 
outlets who are disincentivizing ivermectin ("You are not a horse. You are not a cow. 
Seriously, y'all. Stop it." from 
https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839) which was also explained in 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg. But Rogan's ivermectin was prescribed by his 
doctor.

- ivermectin is used for many animals including around 4 billion humans. Ivermectin 
has been available in doses suitable and appropriate for human use for years. 
Ivermectin's inventors won the Nobel prize for medicine in 2015. Ivermectin is on the 
World Health Organization's "WHO Model List of Essential Medicines" in 
https://www.who.int/selection_medicines/committees/expert/20/EML_2015_FINAL_amended_AUG2015.pdf 
. We don't have the evidence to back up the establishment rhetoric which deplores 
ivermectin and anyone who takes it.

I suspect that what explains the establishment rhetoric is patent law: ivermectin 
isn't patentable; ivermectin is available widely and cheaply as a generic drug. I 
suspect that the establishment media is acting in the interests of their big pharma 
advertisers who don't have anything as effective as ivermectin to offer which is 
under patent (and, as a direct consequence, highly priced and profitable). The FDA is 
almost 45% big pharma funded (per 
https://today.uconn.edu/2021/05/why-is-the-fda-funded-in-part-by-the-companies-it-regulates-2/). 
That is an inversion of what a food and drug regulatory body ought to be doing and it 
helps explain the outcomes we see today.

-J

From kmedina67 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 05:12:40 2021
From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 00:12:40 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] @RepBowman: "Our military presence in Syria
 must not continue w/o Congressional approval."
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNR0QEKSJULJNefsuamJUY7oEjR6FyjzMwEkjZq71aKjxA@mail.gmail.com>
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?> allow a floor vote [in the house of representatives] on the?Bowman-DeFazio-Khanna NDAA amendment to end unconstitutional war in SyriaThanks, Robert, for sharing this.?Sincerely,?Karen Medina
-------- Original message --------From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Date: 9/19/21  15:31  (GMT-06:00) To: peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>, Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Subject: [Peace-discuss] @RepBowman: "Our military presence in Syria must not continue w/o Congressional approval." Please read through and spread the news. If past is prologue, "House Democratic leadership" might not be 100% jazzed about allowing a floor vote on whether unconstitutional war in Syria should stop or continue. If past?is prologue, "House Democratic leadership"?are inconstant friends on defending Article I war powers. Help make sure that our inconstant friends on War Powers Defense in the "House Democratic leadership" Do the Right Thing and allow a floor vote on the?Bowman-DeFazio-Khanna NDAA amendment to end unconstitutional war in Syria by helping to make sure that lots of people know about this before Jim?McGovern's Rules Committee meets at noon tomorrow. ?https://twitter.com/repbowman/status/1438963676225196034

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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 11:15:32 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 07:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] @RepBowman: "Our military presence in Syria
 must not continue w/o Congressional approval."
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Here's the JFP petition pushing House Dem leadership to allow votes on the
Bowman and Khanna amendments to end the Yemen and Syria wars.

Tell Democratic leadership to support the Bowman/Khanna amendments to end
endless wars in Yemen and Syria!

Target: House Rules Chair Rep. Jim McGovern and HFAC Chair Rep. Greg Meeks

https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/tell-dem-leadership-to-vote-yes-on-anti-war-syria-and-yemen-amendments/




On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 1:13 AM kmedina67 via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

>
>  > allow a floor vote [in the house of representatives] on
> the Bowman-DeFazio-Khanna NDAA amendment to end unconstitutional war in
> Syria
>
> Thanks, Robert, for sharing this.
>
> Sincerely,
> Karen Medina
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: 9/19/21 15:31 (GMT-06:00)
> To: peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>, Peace Discuss <
> peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] @RepBowman: "Our military presence in Syria must
> not continue w/o Congressional approval."
>
>
> Please read through and spread the news. If past is prologue, "House
> Democratic leadership" might not be 100% jazzed about allowing a floor vote
> on whether unconstitutional war in Syria should stop or continue. If
> past is prologue, "House Democratic leadership" are inconstant friends on
> defending Article I war powers. Help make sure that our inconstant friends
> on War Powers Defense in the "House Democratic leadership" Do the Right
> Thing and allow a floor vote on the Bowman-DeFazio-Khanna NDAA amendment to
> end unconstitutional war in Syria by helping to make sure that lots of
> people know about this before Jim McGovern's Rules Committee meets at noon
> tomorrow.
>
> https://twitter.com/repbowman/status/1438963676225196034
>
> [image: image.png]
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 11:17:19 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 07:17:19 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: URGENT: Help Jamaal & Ro get us out of war in
 Yemen & Syria!
In-Reply-To: <6147dd922fde3_cdf33f7e7b06627c141955ba@ip-10-0-0-100.mail>
References: <6147dd922fde3_cdf33f7e7b06627c141955ba@ip-10-0-0-100.mail>
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Just Foreign Policy <info at justforeignpolicy.org>
Date: Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 9:53 PM
Subject: URGENT: Help Jamaal & Ro get us out of war in Yemen & Syria!
To: <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>


We have two major opportunities to continue to roll back the endless wars
this week and we need you to help make it a reality! Rep. Ro Khanna has
introduced a critical amendment to the defense policy bill (known as the
NDAA) that would finally end ALL U

Dear Robert,

We have two major opportunities to continue to roll back the endless wars
this week and we need *you* to help make it a reality!

*SIGN OUR PETITION HERE
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/P8Elou2Rvc0qoMPEUZrMXcOpy_XqN4R2ZGjoK-5zZnkd9OMAk9omA_9FkVRYGSEhKtALVETp9dc9N4_Hju41jMdVblSNjXPZrrklF6hA8vVjSQGzmxKr5WiBSwS8yEg9Bm_wGj_tLXy3EabbOwgTi_Cv3HuQuJ-69Eju9zQZVbyZzTfFvV1bY4rxkfZXuHnYk1gtbP7hyc8esp4Fk2AUmxwXeqjCemDvskmfusgWxqYxCR2IsPzVlJLWFsX2CBwXHswZvktZhMKivw3RPIEmHdzynwCqxN8J0jDNlozKNGxbHg1MLNDPKtSdPZOmSIUrX2hkD6H1pKiE3YJTvNSeCVljwvpUyrEQsmOpjyRMkdLRGJrdQqXNB76wJEYqPNQ8n6rrj9FlzAZtUULvEHzChs0h63aoZLGiK0J9_yQQ-kjFOGX8XGNQtVp0AgEMO8hM/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h0/X0IBV161z8luB5k5IP9xHYbP7gaw2LOUSp4HZs0SWT0>
and then share it on Facebook and Twitter! *(You can also retweet Jamaal
Bowman?s tweet here
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/dSCQfi9FLISmU3ZE3bfPhsG_vXeEVq46nwBVwsoRiSwBzD8KVluf5RBMwLcGVAX6lxwcuTmg1Pj8mrxmT0YxGltkX-q0-h9dXk_EOomUextwmdm5jQ54Ro_1aUJd8wGJc0i7VWBNihm7JF2ei8udzBuqfAXNoOen5cpAsXkfAhVyIhXDQGO9GqwNevkZ5kr6Um-KssojOJJRW3Up2HXWHKSrEplYO6--HV_dJp7EeDnubF3MkWE9nsC_DfUap3YPt5lYEndzm8t2iYH7TE4s2hxTbYWgA1W6Yf-8oI38qZO0ybJ3ELHtaJmwN2dRD43CnVmHwC7YyeMNxmKSgVWg8nZbT1W64pdhYrLi9oo_2QdzdtFnnp9dvREOh6XPRVhD/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h1/Yjx7n19wt0th_9bP38AdawNfSYlXglOVRY-ZmnkF2Uw>
).

*Rep. Ro Khanna has introduced a critical **amendment*
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/P8Elou2Rvc0qoMPEUZrMXer17HmngETQTQ-hlvZblN9uXC7ZF95TV2a6GIss6AV8v_rfzyuBSAueF-X0WCjZFR-iI3CzSNsFrtXmVerevTbXNxqZXaDAgY3QXKks1eIbGiY-HKRBb6NBDOuzh0HxBAdtv7mNntoCL9uShBaIT_AqznAEycl6pkEI-QTxFkg-JAlgeM3v7ugQPUGuoBAvr8XJaWm6WRsPNROIcIiWBmxhm1qTUFv78otbXJ68HWs1DTn8ZVFX0hLRJW8GipfYGLTnlQRb9XyimqBD5HpRbl3En3QpvAu50--Fa-EXV65hilpFmGLQs9up3y3hLp8pPkuqJDRyMJ0YeSRnHXMxNhg3ESGEpJ3vvEQu3Igh-cim5vs6CBHdJNz2SN9M9gVQDg/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h2/Q5LJTvzygfIcVpWfZZiZnDniGLakDIJNBdnbUSO59FY>*
to the defense policy bill (known as the NDAA) that would finally end ALL
U.S. support for the Saudi-led coalition that has caused mass death in
Yemen through their airstrikes and the **blockade*
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/tTBUZwcBH_2q13Ow12s-jec6c6sDmmbRVlFp71r4CuXcPom3GcQtv7WySdGsMwRkL5A_neUyunLwcy0GmgPPtOiEUv3bPOEXgH57MlW2ZotFNZ7RHfkPE5y7fhSCbE3tkSP89zV7Jsq7ZS_U0e-UeNaC2aLhi4Jcb93Q2xwEFIcJXjqz3PYP4h6ukbzAnJoXZsDP-tgdFPnGJnnagkDyVeWjmPJfRlJ1XXa6jqD6mQ_e-Ej8_WvTG-5iQ0GbwUAfM5DG4OieIHouiw2GkpEz4EMnF7-lFTcRnQbzrLb04vRu01e4Hw70TJtFsxHLE6AA-YDqUCTUb6lhBUNpoe7QIT92-_9YxbC4iferjeXrTNLH-5EN2WuCzhBT94z3z808/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h3/SeGLeKqcX2722q3s5lXRzG5EsWPxsw9vhYTU4mmo-b4>*
of Yemen?s land, air, and sea ports. *Passing this amendment could finally
stop the Saudi war planes ? which rely
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on ongoing U.S. support ? from continuing to bomb Yemen and enforce the
blockade that is the leading cause of starvation in Yemen. The head of the
World Food Program says 400,000 Yemeni children under 5 will die this year
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/dSCQfi9FLISmU3ZE3bfPhsG_vXeEVq46nwBVwsoRiSxLNDXj8EPpyobMPPfFf-EXwk-q8fvAhuWh-bqZB27tOr6V0R-N0-PX7mjem9LdayplaaV1pNP8NuCXhBDBitPyOBDk5f2Vt0TiOIzusVg9TGV7TCmXvbDdFGnvcZKRKwGAYF37PXkf9oQ5ud5gs52zxHYMfswLSip1dudasiB-d1fkdBSiYsOD6Qwxl1dkw2lWK6SZf30EX8bdhDSzEWcOXhgp43KQgj-ZHwhEZ1Ut8IVrx4IEwMCerZMwn2aDDlu6peeZcsyz85K28WZ95WAPj2G2bTXtlNAmFexceY7IijkZtXZpAR4xCkWVXPaNAuFgnvGZLB_wHwJtvO5xfuMY/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h5/NyZzV-f9e1thCYm6Wt8TS93iLencUv2wuu8HkGaUYFA>
and has pleaded
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/dSCQfi9FLISmU3ZE3bfPhp0tRzd_2PYPGRbdHwEJjJV50RbpeW0hDY5q6pjmq1nmv8W5-yrVvAJlvl_mwmsRH9CUeZagxBqJeUf_lOeiC1cNAU0a3IOitHAzf8fB29KRjfs9pTZhX5-UMJZmHVFXRiehc9WpNsv_R_wQK2FyrW2N4ibzl0jbmNPd6CjQOfR94yqhaJcw7nUIh51Td_F9YuORYxvVz1IyoLTb7MhxurxZaSzP-8FTK7Q6zwGfcj2e-hXJ-Z7tuYB-u9EsaIg3rRBiKBPGzpCUJwNUUZatmYMtXWzCJkoMPceGsSnusxqRigM_Z1oXdcjF0ph-roluZdfpGVzkx9bc4N0Z-UiF0NBaXtsM-7m1wWa0QMcCO8-2/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h6/GW4kpT8nxtlPf1a62b65l_qpAYuyBmYwlfizlFdilJA>
for the US to end the blockade, but the Biden administration has not kept
its promise
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/tTBUZwcBH_2q13Ow12s-jec6c6sDmmbRVlFp71r4CuXcPom3GcQtv7WySdGsMwRkE6l9vBbOs7IqO41RpYaAcQ0pU4enfUS85tX8srmDwAiSyYNEV5JoG-o3A27pYsyczpdfpoF-tg0VHkdt17sEWrAxcGPbOMD7tW0v0nWwacajQw7V8T39f9M6obkHyfrl8_UKwfpsR2Gnu37wdBPBM3ay-54gIrhOqOPNhU7NZXNIHIw71uIjPCHEYyH0SgqctZJW3Z4PNynuMze51ffRRR-cEg7Qpb2WDxhwpmCawffaGS_g-63O1vAKuW0x3TghqOxi5QNxktsei_7zszopGgJ0nJuwZm0ew_GaBYUZdz99xzLc7qoX7jAtB8AJxrMn/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h7/1eBiGjgVi9McG2GFxO64K9JTQbk7R-5lZg1ua_LDenw>
to end U.S. participation in the war.

*Freshman Rep. Jamaal Bowman ? who defeated notorious **hawk Eliot Engel*
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/dSCQfi9FLISmU3ZE3bfPhvffsffRT_Bp-b2ohL8YhHakidf3KhgCs0k09YX56gPA9sxIxBbPyrZJdefooZDdsnGQ3lJ4SBJtdihzjBPQEV1JxbQ5BjKYN4OnWfdGA8aczUFUtyQYzoYETmSLfqhbgAzNyp5NlJ0gOtR6cR1MkBrVY6xh77UNzkVJtqKoqAiO2p0mXnV4lgHkjp5_gJAktm4_Qlng5byypaFP65iRY5vcNmKpfW7L-jsYXiFmrRNeswFHRT4FC59izW_IxFv1FN0HMGZk1ibSmEhH9Sav1oFNbPznDRdLYeg_KaQePB4WZbT11qKkLwiMlLlSXZuURX50svYM9McOnLiB0O80DKvxOrWc6MjSCRC1lyxud15TnecZuPHT1zpqRgH5bojGLA/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h8/aF1RjxuNIgnll_SPxCgDLJ_qHgfVEBhNO2u-9bIM_M0>*
? has introduced an **amendment*
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/P8Elou2Rvc0qoMPEUZrMXer17HmngETQTQ-hlvZblN9uXC7ZF95TV2a6GIss6AV8qRT_iHNJUNo2fgE0TENBAQ0RnVp2quGcrTCptSP1MnMXM4w9sxeIBwaCZjf5LkpF8BxLgfab6iBohCQFvi4gO2iC1-2ZbdAHJOQC2I_vd8bVx_Ck8V3t39ZIICVWSvUx87m8tuHqxw4mSNEMm3ryi4qOMCUPRppAB3gLJSCI20yYLaW2VVa_S8zgGloU3KMkxAhEU_qu6tcLF04ySXetgqciIxA0Tf-FJ-W0JJHoTcVsk-0yuMZv4PgoPQKKefc0so-Nil4Om45P9Kvm9GXbC4ON_NOtQSrjKZQWPa21x57V7TxasqqtDV6o8atB9d7U8sUU72s444Wd5ASFMqM2_SUEcN5RxKRu-UBB4krjStQ/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h9/9h8XtnQC6fqAT-tfFx0CHKoT4_blgvFjZCwLV5U53ng>*
that requires troops to be withdrawn from **Trump?s unauthorized mission in
Syria*
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/P8Elou2Rvc0qoMPEUZrMXUkchxbIBKGXuiUuokx3Np466uhGT7Ow4MHudjtvZFJBqlnn3miI95V0xr5_zX5-WPgXj7RI16WIVoyPKrMEY_O0krgD5CBL7mI42C-wvGmmTWBdxZSGnN532NOHecVfA2PVKQDsVGzJzwaYiAT4brUGBhCuzq4NORh5Zt9KpSc69fBUqfhi661qhjMHmh4WLwN19GN9UqYxDurxSeJGUDiOZ2FX8bGSI0JvvCBxONYRajdxiMEyMliqykKJpIMEnmqa-ov0lAaHP-CNRfoGFz0ikkFxfmkcQMYh-JXDqz8JV5HyLhnfWdboq6r0iweiSQ/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h10/oUFrSKJAuomln_nGfAmPMC_mrwCaO7reOWGxtPhMxRk>*
unless Congress votes to authorize it, as required by the Constitution and
the War Powers Resolution of 1973.* (The last time the White House wanted
to go to war in Syria, Congress refused to support intervention in Syria
after public opinion overwhelmingly opposed
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/P8Elou2Rvc0qoMPEUZrMXYzClV2oJfYmaycfQZcOLCiOzt3LAncptPxZNHDOFDb3O0HKbkTze6TVGpZdir4i-8-d4CGj0qknAsxBGhpjzeRni3Wsg4noSlQFKdUSg3OItlF7f-xicFIbfvu7HGjUNnKVTqR0GpAESwC_TRw9afS2G_fO01trjn2zeMrSXs4ceYsBfr65Wj1QIePRO2q7EhFP5qeB2Y5_XcOWCcR83gG3JY9UhfEDZX-cpYkCTJuEbyMkQtr98CXP0pyvtb-SC777hGFVzkpnKy1GzDGvvFVzCAi4VKeW1kWsW_1vnyMOHOH_Xjj_Kkn4PgsFL0kB1StuePHjT-6f3YmwgtFR_nxyW0jCJPw_NrxqbiTaWHQb/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h11/ZXQ6zpZuXdaQe935RC29etnSxoU25xr6lpla_MzmAfY>
a new war.) The American people have a right to know whether their member
of Congress supports war and occupation abroad or wants to focus on
rebuilding at home. The U.S. occupation of the breadbasket of Syria
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/P8Elou2Rvc0qoMPEUZrMXSdX__ZcwWTtTioDOdSY3f92am0BrNLkejGGGG5X4YVMFRHuVHyB8_OHu_qkFrOXIJ-5OJxisAidGBDoGD1q1B77NyEUvFivAhctkCzyt3ikv7n22MfiFYpUPIFRWGJFez9eqkWJECtcD0DtNHj2jwYQu1yQl9LIv2AlCR216UlMKV7RxxVuQ_8btufHecsBdbEmWg5OcNNz8YoCyIL_a646vVPv4zfuZifPErbBZsiVrILdN0Z01dofMTyIihjLRqDJbHw7U2wwJqhlWCnOasxQMVo86IWJrj6CUtSG88GYQ3vRCe1-_A43rN5tJkdZ9vdi2DEZiCszZZMu_KYaU16Alnw4BIaqjr-c4L73ZIDk/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h12/APo0fmeZ59KMTDqn579JEJywiiw2zCMO_iPlNTEVSx8>
is a major cause of the food crisis that the World Food Program says
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/atcYNHk4Eh2YdGnwBh-YDMdZOd5WT3k2Moyivf-ia37GOIegz05PF0hcRcW-VeCH3NXa1ZPU6c9_F7WS0s9NdCWxeticZn9_q90UemSi0_QCMGgafIBh_shatupgWbpcIkKNLgZea90kanIResi_Yjb0KhJyJmiUYwadB5UduBYTLxJR4jjhxu9bJ76pWYXvPVm9GM_38o_7cWmLvo0JflhUN1CKnVsGxv5SVx6TPl0EZprelxZ3Oqbn3cmUsAIDe33GOKFq-qv1nCx6zPoAMEHlLAV_p0ix1OIaTF2miRY_HHIH2A8YtiUgXKBqH0jhlnKn0gkSZkTfUTD9KjTH2TtJQrDGAz_h4mNZFTwN0WGol9vxIxA97waBXSlE1fmJfzlnOhDo47_ypoIvVIHppvP-CKtHKewNoAwlIq2OoSUSBm_Cv9mDzZ8cee1o6wJP/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h13/aaRN04xAjgs4S9Ztnpib5c3w36NYnlQ0LWYFzUzAZFY>
has left 12.4 million Syrians food insecure?nearly 60 percent of the
population?an increase of 4.5 million people in just the last year and has
resulted in dangerous confrontations
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/P8Elou2Rvc0qoMPEUZrMXbdO7lU519AJdVz3-VDScFGUbEGg4LXF5RCpH1qJMn_Y_H1ySkxO8yneQDm88SainWuSm8u8YWiJMSkzTvSssxil_HPbha04tpb441VoD_Qh5Pg7IUsrntMgckCyIOcZ3s9blDVnVtkjfxX6Q6R0wiAX9GqOHo8FgNQ1tdFpvAPvnqP-IB2HnrarfV9255H-6KTiGOF-ROiyJo-2XyDHnudIfkHvOLegisGC4AzhIWttl1SkKzI9mZXnue4axt1TFqbnm67djIcrp1xqPWYg9_vDvQMpM7e-bsGTEx6REhprfYP-Y69SBJEiqqHxji5sX54FmWoHopIzOplD1LBv_YX6Q6GHvxL4BvEY03cPekRl/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h14/ZRjlQbbxYcD_dtY2--pbtGD7WmSDSDqAKFry7aj9NcA>
with Russia and the Syrian government that risked spiraling into a wider
war.

*Two key members have a leading role in whether these amendments can pass
the House of Representatives: Rep. Jim McGovern, a longtime progressive who
now chairs the powerful Rules Committee, and Rep. Greg Meeks, who chairs
the powerful House Foreign Affairs Committee. **We need them to co-sponsor
these amendments and to ensure that they get a vote on the floor of the
House.*

If they don?t hear from people like you, there are some indications that
Meeks and McGovern will quietly try to undermine or block these lifesaving
amendments.
*SIGN OUR PETITION HERE
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/P8Elou2Rvc0qoMPEUZrMXcOpy_XqN4R2ZGjoK-5zZnkd9OMAk9omA_9FkVRYGSEhKtALVETp9dc9N4_Hju41jMdVblSNjXPZrrklF6hA8vVjSQGzmxKr5WiBSwS8yEg9Bm_wGj_tLXy3EabbOwgTiwGATp3vbDHW_eRmb1LeEdg3LmLQqTlgwBphhK4sYDCRg4vpJUuaX1bplp9IQ1ma4uldKH-QQst7FcShP4s3zLHc6vAJwNFFPrs2fP1WT8nnT879UgxRABV1HYCpLw6F80ugwnxx1-dJiMrVVwkzMKjdVkC0SpBH7IR2ob10F_KA7V4EEM3hLrTKDi8UKrrgmbSb3fqpyP4YYg8efEJt-WJId3gYkBfJOiFxbORImO8O9ezkrNi517SgFHq-DH0tV_6kFeyZhdy2x3UWy1SArcW68KT5xDUhCeJU9HZyu2SB/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h15/Fxru-AvuhqApL0B-pLtdb1TvJ5rkVjuRFUWRjmXMWSQ>
and then share it on Facebook and Twitter! *(You can also retweet Jamaal
Bowman?s tweet here
<https://u1584542.ct.sendgrid.net/ss/c/dSCQfi9FLISmU3ZE3bfPhsG_vXeEVq46nwBVwsoRiSwBzD8KVluf5RBMwLcGVAX6lxwcuTmg1Pj8mrxmT0YxGiIiwLbGtyn89VrzuZrC0jmW-XqmUX3P-aBDOdwcXcHgwh595xZMMg9Of3s7KEkgIv-YNVUTIpgrgeij_hMxKKAc3qFk1dV-1uzltUms4EqrpFLBZeuikmkGVRvFfakoGyl1BouA84fSzelkxvuqcBcFfVdwCjNaW_nKaU2FD9vJ5VuR2lFTwYsT3X6X1hE-4NuBQa8qls3C6-qAH-tZ2kzymn3mk_RvDxIF9j2Y13h3HC2iB4rL0Xlz7xx3R59jEjEuB8Hb4Aka7_q0X-KsDK-hjd1TamMu7E3Duw3klX1j/3fh/CK10PZzySiWjOn10jpLGrw/h16/k1Dt8MlOroBvRZvgCZJdoowjovSeyWymxjmX2S8IUiI>
).


In peace and solidarity,

Hadiya, Liz, Erik, Sarah, Bryan, and the whole team at Just Foreign Policy
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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Mon Sep 20 17:28:18 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 12:28:18 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sinophobia Meets Prison Labor in a Think Tank Down
 Under
Message-ID: <B4A423FC-BEA9-4838-BF5C-8CEA80318C55@newsfromneptune.com>

Pepe Escobar ? September 13, 2021
? 
The West has been literally swamped by a non-stop propaganda offensive about Uyghur forced labor camps ? thoroughly debunked, for instance, here. Now let?s examine the other ? Western ? side of the story.

In early 2021, Defense for Children (DCI) took the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) to court in New South Wales. DCI?s lawsuit charges that ASPI may have been receiving funds from a number of weapons manufacturers and government agencies in the US and UK profiting from prison labor.

Although lawyers for ACPI assured these funds would be cut off if any serious evidence surfaced, the case got murkier, and there are doubts it will ever go to trial.

Sources that prefer to remains anonymous insist ASPI exercised serious pressure directly on DCI?s headquarters in Geneva to drop the case.

So why is this so important?

Like many of its peers in the Five Eyes constellation, the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) bills itself as an ?independent, non-partisan think tank?.

ASPI, based in Canberra, was founded in 2001 ? the year of 9/11. Its funding comes from a mixed bag of Australian institutions, especially the Australian Department of Defense, as well as ?overseas government agencies?, including the US State Department, the Pentagon and even NATO, which financed a quirky ?social media research project?.

The US industrial military complex is well represented by Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon. Other NATO stalwarts like BAE Systems, Thales and Saab also show up.

The bottom line is that like reams of other Five Eyes think tanks, ASPI is directly funded by corporate Weapons Inc..

ASPI had at least 56 sources of income in 2018-19 ? blandly described as either ?sponsorships? or ?commissioned income.? Yet what raises eyebrows is that a significant part of these funds from at least 11 donors can be directly and indirectly tied to prison labor, which is equated all across the industrialized West as modern slavery.

At least 4 ASPI donors ? Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon and BAE Systems ? have been connected to the use of prison labor in manufacturing components for their military hardware.

Raytheon, for instance, may have exploited prison labor directly for the assemblage of electronic parts for surface-to-air Patriot missiles. A report showed how ?it costs prisoners 23 cents an hour to make parts for the missile?, and prison management is entitled to withhold some or all of the prisoners? wages at will.

The US federal report on prison labor actually states, unambiguously, that ?all able-bodied sentenced prisoners? are required to work. The operative word is ?required?.

UNICOR, which operates no less than 110 factories in 65 federal prisons, is blandly described as the trade name for the Federal Prison Industries (FPI) in the US, a ?self-sustaining government corporation that sells market-priced services and quality goods made by inmates?. Including, of course, weapons for the industrial-military complex.

According to 2019 figures, the US government ? which de facto operates the prison factories ? funded ASPI with $1.37 million.

Unisystems, an IT firm that sells interphones for US prisons, also funded ASPI from 2005 to 2019. Inmate labor may be dirty cheap,

but if they want to place a call to their lawyers or their family they need to shell out up to $24 for 15 minutes.

BAE Systems funded ASPI between 2014 and 2019. BAE Systems profits from components made by prison labor in the aerospace system of the notorious Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle.

Weapons Inc. fully in charge

Compounding the picture of a Five Eyes system weaponizing and profiting from serial disasters for years in Afghanistan, the Australian military have also been exposed to serious scrutiny.


On November 2020, Australian Defense Force commander Angus Campbell confirmed Australian Special Forces have been involved in serious crimes in Afghanistan. A long-running inquiry recommended that 25 soldiers, most within the elite SAS, should be investigated for a handful of cases leading to the assassination of 39 Afghan prisoners, including civilians ? women and children -, as well as torture of 2 others.

As if accusations of Australian soldiers committing murders in Afghanistan while corporate donors to an Australian outfit profit from prison labor was not a toxic enough mix, the overarching twist is that ASPI happens to be regarded as the most authoritative, ?independent? source for Chinese matters in Australia.

Similar to its American counterparts, ASPI as a branch of Weapons Inc. pursues a clear agenda. One vector churns out hefty literature demonizing China ? complete with detailed Uyghur ?forced labor? reports ? and actively promoting the specter of a ?China strategic threat?.

The other vector lobbies ? what else ? for increased defense spending especially in missiles. That?s Quad territory (US, Japan, India, Australia). Quad needs to contain China at all costs.

And that?s what qualifies ASPI as a de facto lobby for Weapons Inc., much more than a think tank.

It gets curioser and curioser when one learns that the Australian government wants to equip itself with the AGM-158C Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) manufactured by none other than ASPI donor Lockheed Martin.

So have fun with our little Five Eyes tale, where an Australian ?think tank? focused on demonizing China 24/7 gets some of its financial kicks from a Weapons Inc. handsomely profiting from Western prison labor.

###

From moboct1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 18:24:13 2021
From: moboct1 at aol.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 18:24:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sinophobia MeeIts Prison Labor in a Think Tank
 Down Under
In-Reply-To: <B4A423FC-BEA9-4838-BF5C-8CEA80318C55@newsfromneptune.com>
References: <B4A423FC-BEA9-4838-BF5C-8CEA80318C55@newsfromneptune.com>
Message-ID: <146591816.1207769.1632162253758@mail.yahoo.com>

HEY, FPI KEEPS THE BAD GUYS GAINFULLY EMPLOYED AND WITH PETTY CASH FOR CIGARETTES AND OTHER NECESSITIES, SO THEY DON'T END UP LIKE ATTICANS!? THEY ALSO LEARN VALUABLE EMPLOYABLE SKILLS FOR THE (NON-UNION) LABOR MARKET WHEN/F THEY EVER GET BACK ON THE STREETS.??
NO WONDER THE AUUSIE GVMT DOESN'T COME TO JULIAN ASSANGE'S AID--LIKE PEPE HE KNOWS TOO MUCH; THEY MIGHT GO AFTER PEPE NEXT.??

Midge

-----Original Message-----
From: C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
Sent: Mon, Sep 20, 2021 12:28 pm
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sinophobia Meets Prison Labor in a Think Tank Down Under

Pepe Escobar ? September 13, 2021
? 
The West has been literally swamped by a non-stop propaganda offensive about Uyghur forced labor camps ? thoroughly debunked, for instance, here. Now let?s examine the other ? Western ? side of the story.

In early 2021, Defense for Children (DCI) took the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) to court in New South Wales. DCI?s lawsuit charges that ASPI may have been receiving funds from a number of weapons manufacturers and government agencies in the US and UK profiting from prison labor.

Although lawyers for ACPI assured these funds would be cut off if any serious evidence surfaced, the case got murkier, and there are doubts it will ever go to trial.

Sources that prefer to remains anonymous insist ASPI exercised serious pressure directly on DCI?s headquarters in Geneva to drop the case.

So why is this so important?

Like many of its peers in the Five Eyes constellation, the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) bills itself as an ?independent, non-partisan think tank?.

ASPI, based in Canberra, was founded in 2001 ? the year of 9/11. Its funding comes from a mixed bag of Australian institutions, especially the Australian Department of Defense, as well as ?overseas government agencies?, including the US State Department, the Pentagon and even NATO, which financed a quirky ?social media research project?.

The US industrial military complex is well represented by Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon. Other NATO stalwarts like BAE Systems, Thales and Saab also show up.

The bottom line is that like reams of other Five Eyes think tanks, ASPI is directly funded by corporate Weapons Inc..

ASPI had at least 56 sources of income in 2018-19 ? blandly described as either ?sponsorships? or ?commissioned income.? Yet what raises eyebrows is that a significant part of these funds from at least 11 donors can be directly and indirectly tied to prison labor, which is equated all across the industrialized West as modern slavery.

At least 4 ASPI donors ? Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon and BAE Systems ? have been connected to the use of prison labor in manufacturing components for their military hardware.

Raytheon, for instance, may have exploited prison labor directly for the assemblage of electronic parts for surface-to-air Patriot missiles. A report showed how ?it costs prisoners 23 cents an hour to make parts for the missile?, and prison management is entitled to withhold some or all of the prisoners? wages at will.

The US federal report on prison labor actually states, unambiguously, that ?all able-bodied sentenced prisoners? are required to work. The operative word is ?required?.

UNICOR, which operates no less than 110 factories in 65 federal prisons, is blandly described as the trade name for the Federal Prison Industries (FPI) in the US, a ?self-sustaining government corporation that sells market-priced services and quality goods made by inmates?. Including, of course, weapons for the industrial-military complex.

According to 2019 figures, the US government ? which de facto operates the prison factories ? funded ASPI with $1.37 million.

Unisystems, an IT firm that sells interphones for US prisons, also funded ASPI from 2005 to 2019. Inmate labor may be dirty cheap,

but if they want to place a call to their lawyers or their family they need to shell out up to $24 for 15 minutes.

BAE Systems funded ASPI between 2014 and 2019. BAE Systems profits from components made by prison labor in the aerospace system of the notorious Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle.

Weapons Inc. fully in charge

Compounding the picture of a Five Eyes system weaponizing and profiting from serial disasters for years in Afghanistan, the Australian military have also been exposed to serious scrutiny.


On November 2020, Australian Defense Force commander Angus Campbell confirmed Australian Special Forces have been involved in serious crimes in Afghanistan. A long-running inquiry recommended that 25 soldiers, most within the elite SAS, should be investigated for a handful of cases leading to the assassination of 39 Afghan prisoners, including civilians ? women and children -, as well as torture of 2 others.

As if accusations of Australian soldiers committing murders in Afghanistan while corporate donors to an Australian outfit profit from prison labor was not a toxic enough mix, the overarching twist is that ASPI happens to be regarded as the most authoritative, ?independent? source for Chinese matters in Australia.

Similar to its American counterparts, ASPI as a branch of Weapons Inc. pursues a clear agenda. One vector churns out hefty literature demonizing China ? complete with detailed Uyghur ?forced labor? reports ? and actively promoting the specter of a ?China strategic threat?.

The other vector lobbies ? what else ? for increased defense spending especially in missiles. That?s Quad territory (US, Japan, India, Australia). Quad needs to contain China at all costs.

And that?s what qualifies ASPI as a de facto lobby for Weapons Inc., much more than a think tank.

It gets curioser and curioser when one learns that the Australian government wants to equip itself with the AGM-158C Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) manufactured by none other than ASPI donor Lockheed Martin.

So have fun with our little Five Eyes tale, where an Australian ?think tank? focused on demonizing China 24/7 gets some of its financial kicks from a Weapons Inc. handsomely profiting from Western prison labor.

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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 00:25:33 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 20:25:33 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bowman Standing Firm on Syria War Powers in Rules
 Committee Showdown
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNRoMGAzQEYYKwEPqfEpg8bVnhTzOeiXykKcTeBViQ0AVg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALMNhNSJRirCgC_GmfUx5+a16pa9-ihprSCyerW5nEw7o9WJqg@mail.gmail.com>

The House Rules Committee has been "in recess" for the last three hours, by
my count. Apparently "House Democratic leadership" is showing Jamaal Bowman
the Instruments of Torture.

But apparently Bowman is Standing Firm.

https://twitter.com/RepBowman/status/1440092612564713476

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Tue Sep 21 00:40:21 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 19:40:21 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Drone war means war against innocent civilians
 and no amount of propaganda will cover for that
In-Reply-To: <3a70c1cc-8f8a-caa6-a94b-ec706fdf167b@forestfield.org>
References: <3a70c1cc-8f8a-caa6-a94b-ec706fdf167b@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <4738c3d0-6000-8b26-0a58-002882c3b608@forestfield.org>

I wrote, quoting RT's report:
> https://on.rt.com/bgxn entitled " ?A mistake?: US admits Kabul drone strike killed 10 
> civilians, incl. 7 children, and NO ISIS-K terrorists; no one will be punished":

Glenn Greenwald has excellent coverage as well:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6lcoYKaNJ-4 (16m 25s) -- "The Pentagon's Lies About the 
August 29 Drone Strikes Were Spread For Days By An Unquestioning Media"

And yes, that video will be included in the set of upcoming links which I plan to 
post soon.

-J

P.S. If you're not yet convinced that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is all talk no 
substance, check out the 94 seconds of her virtue signaling in "A Mask-Free AOC and 
Her Boyfriend Attended to by a Team of Masked Servants" 
(https://youtube.com/watch?v=s4jhICpxtec as described aptly by Glenn Greenwald)

From moboct1 at aim.com  Tue Sep 21 13:33:27 2021
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:33:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "TAX THE RICH"
In-Reply-To: <4738c3d0-6000-8b26-0a58-002882c3b608@forestfield.org>
References: <3a70c1cc-8f8a-caa6-a94b-ec706fdf167b@forestfield.org>
 <4738c3d0-6000-8b26-0a58-002882c3b608@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <1945601537.1397385.1632231207795@mail.yahoo.com>

AND WHAT ABOUT AOC'S "STYLE SHOW" ENTRY:? "TAX THE RICH"? (SEE COUNTERPUNCH COMMENTARY)
mO'B


-----Original Message-----
From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 20, 2021 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Drone war means war against innocent civilians and no amount of propaganda will cover for that

I wrote, quoting RT's report:
> https://on.rt.com/bgxn entitled " ?A mistake?: US admits Kabul drone strike killed 10 
> civilians, incl. 7 children, and NO ISIS-K terrorists; no one will be punished":

Glenn Greenwald has excellent coverage as well:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6lcoYKaNJ-4 (16m 25s) -- "The Pentagon's Lies About the 
August 29 Drone Strikes Were Spread For Days By An Unquestioning Media"

And yes, that video will be included in the set of upcoming links which I plan to 
post soon.

-J

P.S. If you're not yet convinced that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is all talk no 
substance, check out the 94 seconds of her virtue signaling in "A Mask-Free AOC and 
Her Boyfriend Attended to by a Team of Masked Servants" 
(https://youtube.com/watch?v=s4jhICpxtec as described aptly by Glenn Greenwald)
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 13:43:43 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 09:43:43 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "TAX THE RICH"
In-Reply-To: <1945601537.1397385.1632231207795@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <3a70c1cc-8f8a-caa6-a94b-ec706fdf167b@forestfield.org>
 <4738c3d0-6000-8b26-0a58-002882c3b608@forestfield.org>
 <1945601537.1397385.1632231207795@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALMNhNSq0emuR_Ac9thASzBsE3ZxgmHFWzGGwjscpcmTLUOGWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hate on AOC all ya want. She's the only Member of the House who did this:

669 Version 5 Ocasio-Cortez (NY)
<https://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/OCASNY_070_xml210920161002882.pdf>,
Pocan (WI), Tlaib (MI), Omar (MN), Bush, Cori (MO), Carson (IN), Newman
(IL), Garcia, Jes?s (IL), Pressley (MA) Democrat *Revised *Suspends the
transfer of Boeing Joint Direct Attack Munition weaponry under the $735
million direct commercial sale to the Israeli government. Submitted

https://rules.house.gov/bill/117/hr-4350

What are the Green Party cockroaches doing about this? Absolutely nothing.
Except wanking each other.


On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 9:34 AM Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> *AND WHAT ABOUT* *AOC'S "STYLE SHOW" ENTRY:  "TAX THE RICH"* * (SEE
> COUNTERPUNCH COMMENTARY)*
>
>
> *mO'B*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 20, 2021 7:40 pm
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Drone war means war against innocent
> civilians and no amount of propaganda will cover for that
>
> I wrote, quoting RT's report:
> > https://on.rt.com/bgxn entitled " ?A mistake?: US admits Kabul drone
> strike killed 10
> > civilians, incl. 7 children, and NO ISIS-K terrorists; no one will be
> punished":
>
> Glenn Greenwald has excellent coverage as well:
> https://youtube.com/watch?v=6lcoYKaNJ-4 (16m 25s) -- "The Pentagon's Lies
> About the
> August 29 Drone Strikes Were Spread For Days By An Unquestioning Media"
>
> And yes, that video will be included in the set of upcoming links which I
> plan to
> post soon.
>
> -J
>
> P.S. If you're not yet convinced that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is all talk
> no
> substance, check out the 94 seconds of her virtue signaling in "A
> Mask-Free AOC and
> Her Boyfriend Attended to by a Team of Masked Servants"
> (https://youtube.com/watch?v=s4jhICpxtec as described aptly by Glenn
> Greenwald)
>
> _______________________________________________
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From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 21:56:44 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:56:44 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Khanna, Bowman amendments allowed;
 House will vote on Yemen & Syria wars
Message-ID: <CALMNhNS1Vo7hg_CDYHUdxLvzJ_MFsBD+CoZTz30AFaYjCS8Dag@mail.gmail.com>

The Khanna Yemen war powers amendment and the Bowman Syria war powers
amendment were made in order. Bowman's amendment was made in order after he
threatened House Dem leadership that he would vote with Republicans to take
down the rule if his amendment was not made in order.

Here's the rule:

https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/Rule_HR3755HR4350HR5305.pdf

Here's Bowman's tweet:

https://twitter.com/RepBowman/status/1440404544492503054

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From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Sep 21 23:15:01 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:15:01 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] A proposed guideline in ethics
Message-ID: <CH0PR11MB5689362D2EF591EC6E05B9418CA19@CH0PR11MB5689.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>


1.  General acceptance of the Buddhist maxim that life is suffering.
2.  The general guideline is always: is the judgment/action/policy under consideration the one most likely to reduce ? or to minimize ? the sum total of human pain & suffering in the long run?
3.  Probably the answer is unknowable; we will never know what the right answer is. But, almost always, some answers are far more justifiable than others.   
4.  So, it is for us to do the best we can with all the information, intelligence & wisdom available to us, individually & collectively.  
   ? RSz. 092121 

From r-szoke at illinois.edu  Tue Sep 21 23:15:01 2021
From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:15:01 +0000
Subject: [Peace-discuss] A proposed guideline in ethics
Message-ID: <CH0PR11MB5689362D2EF591EC6E05B9418CA19@CH0PR11MB5689.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>


1.  General acceptance of the Buddhist maxim that life is suffering.
2.  The general guideline is always: is the judgment/action/policy under consideration the one most likely to reduce ? or to minimize ? the sum total of human pain & suffering in the long run?
3.  Probably the answer is unknowable; we will never know what the right answer is. But, almost always, some answers are far more justifiable than others.   
4.  So, it is for us to do the best we can with all the information, intelligence & wisdom available to us, individually & collectively.  
   ? RSz. 092121 

From jbn at forestfield.org  Tue Sep 21 23:44:36 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 18:44:36 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] "TAX THE RICH"
In-Reply-To: <1945601537.1397385.1632231207795@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <3a70c1cc-8f8a-caa6-a94b-ec706fdf167b@forestfield.org>
 <4738c3d0-6000-8b26-0a58-002882c3b608@forestfield.org>
 <1945601537.1397385.1632231207795@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3af96373-5e1b-9e26-fb3c-c905bc409935@forestfield.org>

Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss wrote:
> AND WHAT ABOUT AOC'S "STYLE SHOW" ENTRY:? "TAX THE RICH"? (SEE COUNTERPUNCH COMMENTARY)
> mO'B

I'm not sure which CP commentary you're referring to.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/05/06/bold-calls-to-tax-the-rich-but-not-enough-talk-of-enforcement/print/
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/09/tax-the-rich-history-proves-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-may-be-correct/print/

are both from 2019. The first points out that her argument seems more worthwhile than 
it is, the latter tries to make her argument seem better.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/08/its-easy-to-fix-inequality-tax-the-rich/print/ is 
from 2021 and covers the concept but doesn't get into how long we've known these 
things and how nobody in power actually uses their leverage to achieve them. No 
corporate donor to a politician judges their leverage by how well a politician 
'tweets'. It's votes on policy and other people in power (what Obama might call a 
"purity test") that count. We ought to do the same.

Perhaps none of these are the article you're referring to?

Lee Camp's response to AOC in https://youtube.com/watch?v=SryNJSASHdg brings up what 
a distraction "Tax the Rich" really is -- that phrase and the idea behind it settle 
for something as a starting position one shouldn't start with in the first place by 
purposefully doing nothing to challenge capitalism.

Unfortunately CounterPunch's commentary above are in the wrong format for a video 
show (such as playing on UPTV during News from Neptune, AWARE on the Air, or Labor's 
World View TV timeslots).



Getting back to AOC's choices: No matter how correct AOC's language may be, 
ultimately it's just more of what we've seen plenty of from AOC -- (at best) 
progressive talk with vanishingly little progressive action behind it despite having 
the power to do way better than she does. Sometimes she takes action directly opposed 
to progressive policy (not using her leverage to force a vote for Medicare for All 
stands out now since we're in the midst of a pandemic, and lying about holding her 
M4A support so she could fight for a $15 minimum wage which she then went on to not 
support, to name a couple recent examples). Sometimes she filibusters questions away 
to hide pertinent details like her recent ill-attended theatrics ostensibly 
"protesting" the federal rent/mortgage moratorium (which included hand-waving 
dismissal and use of loud music to drown out challenging questions), or not clearly 
and plainly discussing her voice vote on the CARES Act (which is objectionable on 
both not challenging Pelosi on a voice vote for the CARES Act and in almost certainly 
voting for the CARES Act, according to the audio of that voice vote in which we hear 
1 or 2 distinctly male voices vote against the CARES Act). The "progressive" media 
joins her in the latter case: Democracy Now didn't ask follow-up questions that would 
have highlighted AOC's dodging answering precisely how she voted, nor did DN ask 
about challenging Pelosi to require an on-the-record vote. And she's familiar with 
forcing a vote as her pre-election rhetoric shows and her voting in coordination 
shows (Jimmy Dore has made multiple episodes about these things).

AOC poses as a progressive but is just another establishment shill. She is fully 
compatible with the Democratic Party which works in collaboration with the 
Republicans as a metaphorical one-way ratchet to advance policies that move money 
from the poor to the wealthy and give us more war.

From moboct1 at aim.com  Wed Sep 22 00:59:12 2021
From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 00:59:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Peace-discuss] J. B. Nicholson: "TAXING THE RICH":
 Counterpunch Sep. 17, 2021
In-Reply-To: <3af96373-5e1b-9e26-fb3c-c905bc409935@forestfield.org>
References: <3a70c1cc-8f8a-caa6-a94b-ec706fdf167b@forestfield.org>
 <4738c3d0-6000-8b26-0a58-002882c3b608@forestfield.org>
 <1945601537.1397385.1632231207795@mail.yahoo.com>
 <3af96373-5e1b-9e26-fb3c-c905bc409935@forestfield.org>
Message-ID: <360600065.50519.1632272352629@mail.yahoo.com>

Jeffery St. Clair:? Taxing the Rich:? The Glitterati left--AOC on the catwalk at the Met Gala (Vogue)??
(Sorry, I don't know how? to cut & paste to save so I can forward email with MSM Windows 10.? It used to be so easy on Windows 7).
??Midge?


-----Original Message-----
From: J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "TAX THE RICH"

Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss wrote:
> AND WHAT ABOUT AOC'S "STYLE SHOW" ENTRY:? "TAX THE RICH"? (SEE COUNTERPUNCH COMMENTARY)
> mO'B

I'm not sure which CP commentary you're referring to.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/05/06/bold-calls-to-tax-the-rich-but-not-enough-talk-of-enforcement/print/
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/09/tax-the-rich-history-proves-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-may-be-correct/print/

are both from 2019. The first points out that her argument seems more worthwhile than 
it is, the latter tries to make her argument seem better.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/08/its-easy-to-fix-inequality-tax-the-rich/print/ is 
from 2021 and covers the concept but doesn't get into how long we've known these 
things and how nobody in power actually uses their leverage to achieve them. No 
corporate donor to a politician judges their leverage by how well a politician 
'tweets'. It's votes on policy and other people in power (what Obama might call a 
"purity test") that count. We ought to do the same.

Perhaps none of these are the article you're referring to?

Lee Camp's response to AOC in https://youtube.com/watch?v=SryNJSASHdg brings up what 
a distraction "Tax the Rich" really is -- that phrase and the idea behind it settle 
for something as a starting position one shouldn't start with in the first place by 
purposefully doing nothing to challenge capitalism.

Unfortunately CounterPunch's commentary above are in the wrong format for a video 
show (such as playing on UPTV during News from Neptune, AWARE on the Air, or Labor's 
World View TV timeslots).



Getting back to AOC's choices: No matter how correct AOC's language may be, 
ultimately it's just more of what we've seen plenty of from AOC -- (at best) 
progressive talk with vanishingly little progressive action behind it despite having 
the power to do way better than she does. Sometimes she takes action directly opposed 
to progressive policy (not using her leverage to force a vote for Medicare for All 
stands out now since we're in the midst of a pandemic, and lying about holding her 
M4A support so she could fight for a $15 minimum wage which she then went on to not 
support, to name a couple recent examples). Sometimes she filibusters questions away 
to hide pertinent details like her recent ill-attended theatrics ostensibly 
"protesting" the federal rent/mortgage moratorium (which included hand-waving 
dismissal and use of loud music to drown out challenging questions), or not clearly 
and plainly discussing her voice vote on the CARES Act (which is objectionable on 
both not challenging Pelosi on a voice vote for the CARES Act and in almost certainly 
voting for the CARES Act, according to the audio of that voice vote in which we hear 
1 or 2 distinctly male voices vote against the CARES Act). The "progressive" media 
joins her in the latter case: Democracy Now didn't ask follow-up questions that would 
have highlighted AOC's dodging answering precisely how she voted, nor did DN ask 
about challenging Pelosi to require an on-the-record vote. And she's familiar with 
forcing a vote as her pre-election rhetoric shows and her voting in coordination 
shows (Jimmy Dore has made multiple episodes about these things).

AOC poses as a progressive but is just another establishment shill. She is fully 
compatible with the Democratic Party which works in collaboration with the 
Republicans as a metaphorical one-way ratchet to advance policies that move money 
from the poor to the wealthy and give us more war.
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Sep 22 23:34:50 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:34:50 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air,
 News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV
Message-ID: <ec284786-bd58-839c-3deb-8fd0eeb40fdc@forestfield.org>

Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, 
and Labor's World View TV.

As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your 
pointers to Jason Liggett (jcliggett at urbanaillinois.us). I routinely ask him to 
prioritize AWARE members pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & 
David Green's pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's pointers 
over mine for Labor's World View TV.

-J




RT

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GkGtgfWCZ0U (4m 42s) -- "US Drone Strikes Are As Criminal 
As Ever"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AlsjipfS6Y8 (5m 42s) -- "'Sorry' is not enough | Kabul 
airstrike victims demand justice for killed civilians"



MintPressNews

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ammQmFzUGoI (13m 3s) -- "Eric Schmidt Cashes in on 
Artificial Intelligence Arms Race"



Grayzone

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sPILnRjrfcY (9m 33s) -- "Reasons behind US-backed 
military coup in Guinea? Minerals and China"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wAGlAcv5Ewo (1h 2m 12s) -- "Biden's UN speech shows 
further US commitment to war and meddling, not 'diplomacy'"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8Q_BJ2mRL1k (36m 11s) -- "US media exposed as Pentagon 
mouthpiece on Afghanistan"



More Perfect Union

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WO9lfsVUG-A (2m 11s) -- "Janitors WIN Higher Wages And A 
Pension After Threatening To Strike"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gDo8jCTgiuU (4m 28s) -- "Why are Beef Prices Skyrocketing?"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DPYE_a4wHt0 (3m 14s) -- "Starbucks Workers TAKE ON 
Corporate Executives in Fight to Form a Union"



laborvideo

https://youtube.com/watch?v=o-hH5IsO5vM (4m 36s) -- "700 IUOE39 Engineers Strike N. 
Cal Kaiser For Prevailing Wages & Conditions"



Consortium News

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7YFQnndZiJ0 (1h 13m 11s) -- "Sydney Event: ENDING 
QUARANTINE: Mental Health of Citizens & Health Workers"



Glenn Greenwald

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-ZySNh_F8TQ (33m 9s) -- "Democratic Officials Continue to 
Threaten Tech Companies to Censor More"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6lcoYKaNJ-4 (16m 25s) -- "The Pentagon's Lies About the 
August 29 Drone Strikes Were Spread For Days By An Unquestioning Media"



World Socialist Web Site

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JMgrR7eU8OM (9m 42s) -- "How Dana workers can shut down 
the auto industry and win their demands"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G0RPMAlJyZY (7m 55s) -- "Death of a Dana worker - In 
memory of Danny Walters"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0DngXUJDIno (7m 11s) -- "An open letter from Dana workers 
to the UAW and USW"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jbNOXt6feg0 (1m 56s) -- "Message from Marcia Walters, 
widow of Dana worker Danny Walters"



Empire Files

https://youtube.com/watch?v=I-taJf2Ks6U (2m 15s) -- "Iraq Vet Disrupts George W. Bush 
Speech, Sept. 19 2021"

From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 10:39:06 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 06:39:06 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Concerned Vets for America: We stand with Bowman on
 Syria. AUMF or GTFO
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNQy4J7_Yu4HpEiLjQvELxk2T+iJ5oB3mvbxP3hXSqE3MQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNQy4J7_Yu4HpEiLjQvELxk2T+iJ5oB3mvbxP3hXSqE3MQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALMNhNTOZCLBmjZanP+WKhbjCAQVJY3n3wVvQuicJJW-8x=Uww@mail.gmail.com>

https://twitter.com/concernedvets/status/1440773172001865737

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From jbn at forestfield.org  Fri Sep 24 00:53:16 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:53:16 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] New complaints about Tulsi Gabbard's pro-war Tucker
 Carlson interview ignore her pro-war past
Message-ID: <cf2a1fd7-25ef-a775-ba8b-2d791087c674@forestfield.org>

Tulsi Gabbard recently did an interview with Tucker Carlson 
(https://youtube.com/watch?v=ovsXH7l3yiQ) in which she said:

> [...] the greatest threat that we're facing right now in this country in the
> world it is the foundation of governance of so-called Islamic countries like
> Turkey, and Iran, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and it's what's behind the 
> discriminatory policies that they have in these countries against Christians, uh 
> Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, and others.

This is not the only thing she said which rankled observers but it's one of the most 
commonly quoted.

Reaction from anti-war shows is not good for Gabbard:

Convo Couch
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kOPWWa0gVfI -- "Tulsi Gabbard Hawkish on Tucker, Says 
Jihadist are our #1 Enemy" says she's now "against what she stood for" and

The Vanguard
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PHZZQdkOTFY -- "Tulsi Gabbard's TERRIBLE, NO GOOD Tucker 
Carlson Tonight Interview Should EMBARRASS Her Defenders" calls her "going mask-off hawk"

Kim Iversen
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rLdY_WBFa60 -- "Kim Iversen: Tulsi Gabbard?s Disappointing 
Stance On Islamists And Targeted Attacks"

And Iversen wrote tweets on September 21 about how she was "totally disappointed in 
politicians who claim to challenge the power" naming Democratic & Republican 
politicians as examples (Obama, AOC, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and Trump).

Even pro-war liberals like Sam Seder, TYT, and The Hill are trying to get some points 
on this topic.

Very few shows correctly identified that Gabbard was always pro-war and thus her 
position now is not the change it's now being claimed to be.

ProgressumTV got it more or less right:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qLlEAP2QDwQ -- "Tulsi Gabbard is a neo-con warmonger (and 
Jimmy Dore loves it)" rightly goes back to Jimmy Dore's Gabbard interview to explain 
that her views have been pretty consistent and critiques Dore for not living up to 
the discourse he uses elsewhere on his show. In Dore's defense, however, I'll point 
out what ProgressumTV didn't: Dore never called himself a journalist. In fact, Dore 
has consistently made fun of the people whose job it should be to hold the feet of 
power to the fire and Dore has said that he doesn't want plaudits from journalists. 
He sees himself as a standup comic who can expose big truths journalists refuse to 
expose. Also, I see no evidence that "Jimmy Dore loves" that Gabbard "is a neo-con 
warmonger".




But Gabbard's belligerency predates the end of her POTUS campaign when she did that 
Jimmy Dore interview.

In 2019 I wrote 
https://digitalcitizen.info/2019/02/13/is-tulsi-gabbard-really-anti-war-no-shes-pro-drone-and-for-surgical-strikes/ 
citing her pro-drone war propaganda. What she said recently on Tucker Carlson is 
quite consistent with what she told The Intercept 
(https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/intercepted-podcast-white-mirror/) in January 
2018 in that both times she is anything but "anti-war":

> Jeremy Scahill: I?m wondering what your position, I know that in the past you have
> said that you favor a small footprint approach with strike forces and limited use
> of weaponized drones. Is that still your position that you think that?s the ? to
> the extent that you believe the U.S. military should be used around the world for
> counterterrorism, is that still your position?
> 
> Rep. Tulsi Gabbard: Well, when we?re dealing with the unconventional threat of
> terrorist groups like ISIS, al Qaeda and some of these other groups that are
> affiliated with them, we should not be using basically what has been and continues
> to be the current policy of these mass mobilization of troops, these long
> occupations and trillions of dollars going in, really abusing the Authorization to
> Use Military Force and taking action that expands far beyond the legal limitations
> of those current AUMFs.
> 
> So, with these terrorist cells, for example, yes, I do still believe that the
> right approach to take is these quick strike forces, surgical strikes, in and out,
> very quickly, no long-term deployment, no long-term occupation to be able to get
> rid of the threat that exists and then get out and the very limited use of drones
> in those situations where our military is not able to get in without creating an
> unacceptable level of risk, and where you can make sure that you?re not causing,
> you know, a large amount of civilian casualties.
So much of that response from Gabbard is pure pro-war propaganda, as I go into in my 
digitalcitizen.info article.

Gabbard's belligerency might predate January 2018 too; my point remains the same -- 
the shift some are reacting to with disgust is not justified.

Tulsi Gabbard told Primo Nutmeg and CBS News that she was a loyal Democrat and she'd 
never run for elected office on a third-party ticket. She was true to her word -- she 
joined in the coordinated effort to make Joe Biden the only remaining Democratic 
Party nominee, followed by her endorsement of Joe Biden. Contrary to what Hillary 
Clinton tried to tar her with, Gabbard was obedient to the Democratic Party. Those 
interviews (Intercept, CBS News, Primo Nutmeg) should have been big clues that she 
was pro-war because the Democratic Party is pro-war. Endorsing Biden, a hawk, really 
should have captured their attention for being pro-war and reminded them how much 
media got her description wrong.

Structurally there was a big clue too: Expecting an "anti-war" or "peace candidate" 
Democrat is expecting the impossible -- it's expecting someone who is allowed to 
remain in that party, run for office under that party's name, and yet not support one 
of the core tenets of the party.

From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 14:42:53 2021
From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 10:42:53 -0400
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Constitution-hating Warhawk Dem Cindy Axne nailed
 on undisclosed stock trades
In-Reply-To: <CALMNhNSFE8Vk_DLn0UQEqZcF9wywqP4gEhoj+tkJwDLqv_4Nfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMNhNSFE8Vk_DLn0UQEqZcF9wywqP4gEhoj+tkJwDLqv_4Nfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALMNhNTjcts=s_4in1SftLCRHWz8en1_S+NpBRK4Lw_btjPoOQ@mail.gmail.com>

I guess it should be little surprise that a "Democrat" who hates the
Constitution so much that she voted against the Khanna and Bowman
amendments to end unconstitutional wars wouldn't follow the rules on
disclosing stock trades. [Khanna roll call
<https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2021278>] [Bowman roll call
<https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2021276>]

Let's spread this all around. They got Al Capone on tax evasion.

U.S. Rep. Cindy Axne failed to disclose up to $645k in stock trades,
government watchdog says
Stephen Gruber-Miller
Nick Coltrain
Des Moines Register
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2021/09/23/watchdog-campaign-legal-center-wants-ethics-investigation-iowa-rep-cindy-axne-over-stock-trades/5827271001/

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From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Fri Sep 24 15:57:32 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 10:57:32 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Eurasia Takes Shape: How the SCO Just Flipped
 the World Order
References: <20210923140132.1.8BB40266074D8394@mg.unz.com>
Message-ID: <952B65F9-C6BF-4D42-8E6C-660CA57187D0@newsfromneptune.com>

Eurasia Takes Shape: How the SCO Just Flipped the World Order <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw1TstuwyAQ_Bpzw4JdapMDh0RR_wPMJri1DQIspH59SaRIe5gdzcsb7yTgwlYDAqS4AEolJMIoR327KQHTJGZ113hRgxL7czyPv3GJOwtmJuxSByCmLwlWTha6UTrU0jokzXaDoOfOKbaZUGsqA14H-O7XWvsk9S9RWaKzuUM6sy2r5dX-UuEl2EQ8xMZrIN5F_OcslT-2NSXyb7LFvHkes6eXnWWz2Lz1qQe18shxPyjV86D35mo-Tf_19E2J>
> As a rudderless West watched on, the 20th anniversary meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization was laser-focused on two key deliverables: shaping up Afghanistan and kicking off a full-spectrum Eurasian integration.
> Pepe Escobar ? September 22, 2021 ? 1,700 Words
> The two defining moments of the historic 20th anniversary Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in Dushanbe, Tajikistan had to come from the keynote speeches of ? who else ? the leaders of the Russia-China strategic partnership.
> 
> Xi Jinping: ?Today we will launch procedures to admit Iran as a full member of the SCO.?
> 
> Vladimir Putin: ?I would like to highlight the Memorandum of Understanding that was signed today between the SCO Secretariat and the Eurasian Economic Commission. It is clearly designed to further Russia?s idea of establishing a Greater Eurasia Partnership covering the SCO, the EAEU (Eurasian Economic Union), ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) and China?s Belt and Road initiative (BRI).?
> 
> In short, over the weekend, Iran was enshrined in its rightful, prime Eurasian role, and all Eurasian integration paths converged toward a new global geopolitical ? and geoeconomic ? paradigm, with a sonic boom bound to echo for the rest of the century.
> 
> That was the killer one-two punch immediately following the Atlantic alliance?s ignominious imperial retreat from Afghanistan. Right as the Taliban took control of Kabul on August 15, the redoubtable Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of Russia?s Security Council, told his Iranian colleague Admiral Ali Shamkhani that ?the Islamic Republic will become a full member of the SCO.?
> 
> Dushanbe revealed itself as the ultimate diplomatic crossover. President Xi firmly rejected any ?condescending lecturing? and emphasized development paths and governance models compatible with national conditions. Just like Putin, he stressed the complementary focus of BRI and the EAEU, and in fact summarized a true multilateralist Manifesto for the Global South.
> 
> Right on point, President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev of Kazakhstan noted that the SCO should advance ?the development of a regional macro-economy.? This is reflected in the SCO?s drive to start using local currencies for trade, bypassing the US dollar.
> 
> Watch that quadrilateral
> 
> Dushanbe was not just a bed of roses. Tajikistan?s Emomali Rahmon, a staunch, secular Muslim and former member of the Communist Party of the USSR ? in power for no less than 29 years, reelected for the 5th time in 2020 with 90 percent of the vote ? right off the bat denounced the ?medieval sharia? of Taliban 2.0 and said they had already ?abandoned their previous promise to form an inclusive  government.?
> 
> Rahmon, who has never been caught smiling on camera, was already in power when the Taliban conquered Kabul in 1996. He was bound to publicly support his Tajik cousins against the ?expansion of extremist ideology? in Afghanistan ? which in fact worries all SCO member-states when it comes to smashing dodgy jihadi outfits of the ISIS-K mold .
> 
> The meat of the matter in Dushanbe was in the bilaterals ? and one quadrilateral.
> 
> Take the bilateral between Indian External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar and Chinese FM Wang Yi. Jaishankar said that China should not view ?its relations with India through the lens of a third country,? and took pains to stress that India ?does not subscribe to any clash of civilizations theory.?
> 
> That was quite a tough sell considering that the first in-person Quad summit takes place this week in Washington, DC, hosted by that ?third country? which is now knee deep in clash-of-civilizations mode against China.
> 
> Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan was on a bilateral roll, meeting the presidents of Iran, Belarus, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. The official Pakistani diplomatic position is that Afghanistan should not be abandoned, but engaged.
> 
> That position added nuance to what Russian Special Presidential Envoy for SCO Affairs Bakhtiyer Khakimov had explained about Kabul?s absence at the SCO table: ?At this stage, all member states have an understanding that there are no reasons for an invitation until there is a legitimate, generally recognized government in Afghanistan.?
> 
> And that, arguably, leads us to the key SCO meeting: a quadrilateral with the Foreign Ministers of Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran.
> 
> Pakistani Foreign Minister Qureshi affirmed: ?We are monitoring whether all the groups are included in the government or not.? The heart of the matter is that, from now on, Islamabad coordinates the SCO strategy on Afghanistan, and will broker Taliban negotiations with senior Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara leaders. This will eventually lead the way towards an inclusive government regionally recognized by SCO member-nations.
> 
> Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi was warmly received by all ? especially after his forceful keynote speech, an Axis of Resistance classic. His bilateral with Belarus president Aleksandr Lukashenko revolved around a discussion on ?sanctions confrontation.? According to Lukashenko: ?If the sanctions did any harm to Belarus, Iran, other countries, it was only because we ourselves are to blame for this. We were not always negotiable, we did not always find the path we had to take under the pressure of sanctions.?
> 
> Considering Tehran is fully briefed on Islamabad?s SCO role in terms of Afghanistan, there will be no need to deploy the Fatemiyoun brigade ? informally known as the Afghan Hezbollah ? to defend the Hazaras. Fatemiyoun was formed in 2012 and was instrumental in Syria in the fight against Daesh, especially in Palmyra. But if ISIS-K does not go away, that?s a completely different story.
> 
> Particular important for SCO members Iran and India will be the future of Chabahar port. That remains India?s crypto-Silk Road gambit to connect it to Afghanistan and Central Asia. The geoeconomic success of Chabahar more than ever depends on a stable Afghanistan ? and this is where Tehran?s interests fully converge with Russia-China?s SCO drive.
> 
> What the 2021 SCO Dushanbe Declaration? <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwtj01rxCAYhH9Ncqv41UQPHnYb9tpDew_GvImCH0HNLu2vr4TCwDAMz8Csal0IZaZ3imJKsKSMcEwYRQSJ-51jOgx45JNgkncchx2d8ReZFHqrhJSScLEJqUFSGDFZpTCDkALIQAbTB8WoGNsY772ytR6lY7eOPpoCaLSnJ3KxhcV5XSFr_7YmcwaItSBbQ8cea_WtZ5yO782ns1gdF5gnMF5nXV2Kc1O1MH-_Guag2vkWo3tCLjr_zGm7yq-G7Va7-SOlA_7Bz7zr6MoV-qyMzr49jPAqW04hwlHPCNfVqg4oJi06_wERt2N3>spelled out about Afghanistan is quite revealing:
> 
> 1. Afghanistan should be an independent, neutral, united, democratic and peaceful state, free of terrorism, war and drugs.
> 
> 2. It is critical to have an inclusive government in Afghanistan, with representatives from all ethnic, religious and political groups of Afghan society.
> 
> 3. SCO member states, emphasizing the significance of the many years of hospitality and effective assistance provided by regional and neighboring countries to Afghan refugees, consider it important for the international community to make active efforts to facilitate their dignified, safe and sustainable return to their homeland.
> 
> As much as it may sound like an impossible dream, this is the unified message of Russia, China, Iran, India, Pakistan and the Central Asian ?stans.? One hopes that Pakistani PM Imran Khan is up to the task and ready for his SCO close-up.
> 
> That troubled Western peninsula
> 
> The New Silk Roads were officially launched eight years ago by Xi Jinping, first in Astana ? now Nur-Sultan ? and then in Jakarta.
> 
> This is how I reported it <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjsGOwyAMRL8m3IiMcRM4cNhqtf_hENqgBhIB0Ur79UsrWbZGHr2Z1a2LQu1FdAiowKJWBErjqEZzvxPgNMFM30ZbGgjSc7zy3-iPJDZnrTKW4Uazn26z50XzAwwB8QohkBbJaTRzh5HY3dbaWQf9NeBPH66RW0yhvlldY8_sB2xffouZZW2x-S1UeZ2y-kPWuL9kWftfFOe57L1ODr_1UY6Uw9muHD69mjtD9y9c_gHI4UGx> at the time.
> 
> The announcement came close to a SCO summit ? then in Bishkek. The SCO, widely dismissed in Washington and Brussels as a mere talk shop, was already surpassing its original mandate of fighting the ?three evil forces? ? terrorism, separatism and extremism ? and encompassing politics and geoeconomics.
> 
> In 2013, there was a Xi-Putin-Rouhani trilateral. Beijing expressed full support for Iran?s peaceful nuclear program (remember, this was two years before the signing of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, also known as the JCPOA).
> 
> Despite many experts dismissing it at the time, there was indeed a common China-Russia-Iran front on Syria (Axis of Resistance in action). Xinjiang was being promoted as the key hub for the Eurasian Land Bridge. Pipelineistan was at the heart of the Chinese strategy ? from Kazakhstan oil to Turkmenistan gas. Some people may even remember when Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, was waxing lyrical about an American-propelled New Silk Road.
> 
> Now compare it to Xi?s Multilateralism Manifesto in Dushanbe eight years later, reminiscing on how the SCO ?has proved to be an excellent example of multilateralism in the 21stcentury,? and ?has played an important role in enhancing the voice of developing countries.?
> 
> The strategic importance of this SCO summit taking place right after the Eastern Economic Forum (EEF) in Vladivostok cannot be overstated enough. The EEF focuses of course on the Russian Far East ? and essentially advances interconnectivity between Russia and Asia. It is an absolutely key hub of Russia?s Greater Eurasian Partnership.
> 
> A cornucopia of deals is on the horizon ? expanding from the Far East to the Arctic and the development of the Northern Sea Route, and involving everything from precious metals and green energy to digital sovereignty flowing through logistics corridors between Asia and Europe via Russia.
> 
> As Putin hinted in his keynote speech, this is what the Greater Eurasia Partnership is all about: the Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU), BRI, India?s initiative, ASEAN, and now the SCO, developing in a harmonized network, crucially operated by ?sovereign decision-making centers.?
> 
> So if the BRI proposes a very Taoist ?community of shared future for human kind,? the Russian project, conceptually, proposes a dialogue of civilizations (already evoked by the Khatami years in Iran) and sovereign economic-political projects. They are, indeed, complementary.
> 
> Glenn Diesen, Professor at the University of South-Eastern Norway and an editor at the Russia in Global Affairs journal, is among the very few top scholars who are analyzing this process in depth. His latest book remarkably tells the whole story in its title:  Europe as the Western Peninsula of Greater Eurasia: Geoeconomic Regions in a Multipolar World <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJxVj71uhDAQhJ8GOiPbawwULg5dSHFNikQpTwYvBwr-iTFCuqePky7Sanb0aXekMcqMjMNUropTzmjHgQnKgFesavteUC4lbcS1hU4UgtpHdbhnNXlbLkpIRqVscepG0VCDIGrJGwrzDHXXGFFaBbxtcpgoN7WkFPYCLgUf8pznWWmrn979hmXwckQfkHzinjA68oZudfuxafIaUWdE8oHeV01w9P6LmEB62g2yv3X9Lb-bkOUfiTgXcLXp7tOCsYDhjm7yZnWPjD_eh7bg0mL2eX-vJhsmgTNeQy3KqCYdt1zY4bnP0VuHIR0O_5onFXCf_KjjD0sOX4M>. It?s not clear whether Eurocrats in Brussels ? slaves of Atlanticism and incapable of grasping the potential of Greater Eurasia ? will end up exercising real strategic autonomy.
> 
> Diesen evokes in detail the parallels between the Russian and the Chinese strategies. He notes how China ?is pursuing a three-pillared geoeconomic initiative by developing technological leadership via its China 2025 plan, new transportation corridors via its trillion-dollar Belt and Road Initiative, and establishing new financial instruments such as banks, payment systems and the internationalization of the yuan. Russia is similarly pursuing technological sovereignty, both in the digital sphere and beyond, as well as new transportation corridors such as the Northern Sea Route through the Arctic, and, primarily, new financial instruments.?
> 
> The whole Global South, stunned by the accelerated collapse of the western Empire and its unilateral ?rules-based order, now seems to be ready to embrace the new groove, fully displayed in Dushanbe: a multipolar Greater Eurasia of sovereign equals.
> 
> 
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From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Sep 29 01:58:28 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] More censorship,
 more reasons to seek alternative means of distributing posts of all
 kinds
Message-ID: <b65b17e0beac72fd8feacefc0dd2d83b@forestfield.org>

https://on.rt.com/bhms

YouTube has permanently deleted two of RT's German-language channels, 
the news outlet has announced. RT DE was listed among top News & 
Politics channels on the social media platform, with hundreds of 
millions of views.

The Google-owned video service ?has deleted the RT DE channel, as well 
as our second channel DFP [Der Fehlende Part, ?the missing piece?], 
without the right to restoration,? Dinara Toktosunova, head of RT in 
Germany, announced on her Telegram channel on Tuesday.

The main RT DE channel was barred from live-streaming and uploading 
videos for seven days since September 21, on the basis of a strike over 
?community guidelines? violations, for alleged ?medical misinformation? 
in four videos. YouTube did not elaborate on what specifically was 
questionable in the clips. The videos, some weeks while others months 
old, focused on the Covid-19 crisis. They featured, among others, an 
interview with German epidemiologist Friedrich Puerner, who was critical 
of the governmental ways of battling the pandemic.

The strike was due to expire on Tuesday, but YouTube removed the 
channel. The social media platform said in a statement: "We have 
reviewed your content and found severe or repeated violations of our 
Community Guidelines. Because of this, we have removed your channel from 
Youtube."

The same thing happened with DFP, which had no strikes and posted RT DE 
content. A YouTube representative later confirmed that publishing 
material on the DFP was, according to the tech giant, a violation of the 
strike handed to RT DE?s main channel. As a result, both channels were 
deleted.

RT DE was among the top five German-language channels in YouTube?s News 
and Politics category, based on Tubular Labs data for August, with over 
600,000 subscribers and almost 547 million total views.

In recent months, RT DE has faced mounting pressure in Germany, 
including over its plans to launch a TV broadcast later this year. In 
mid-August, Luxembourg denied RT?s application for a German-language 
broadcast license. Chancellor Angela Merkel denied pressuring the 
neighbouring country to do so, despite multiple German outlets reporting 
that representatives from Berlin met with Luxembourg officials to 
discuss the issue.

Ahead of the planned TV launch, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman 
Maria Zakharova said some German media outlets had waged ?an outright 
information war? against RT. The same month, Die Welt ? owned by the 
Axel Springer conglomerate ? published two opinion pieces that German 
courts later found contained false claims[1] about RT DE.

Earlier this year, Commerzbank abruptly and without explanation 
announced[2] that it was shutting down accounts associated with RT DE. 
When the outlet reached out to other German banks, its inquiries about 
doing business were ignored or rejected.

[1] https://www.rt.com/news/532396-rt-germany-welt-column/
[2] https://www.rt.com/russia/517183-german-bank-closes-rt-accounts/

From jbn at forestfield.org  Wed Sep 29 02:06:56 2021
From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 21:06:56 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] RT: US Marine who criticized Afghanistan withdrawal
 in viral video sent to the brig & awaiting trial
Message-ID: <59eb14a7f83b14048ea2f7ab8ab32ff8@forestfield.org>

Article: https://on.rt.com/bhlm
Video: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=x0LAwSMbrss

A US serviceman who asked for ?accountability? for the chaotic 
withdrawal from Afghanistan on social media has been locked up in a 
pre-trial detention center, the Marine Corps has confirmed.

?Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller Jr. is currently in pre-trial confinement in 
the Regional Brig for Marine Corps Installations East aboard Marine 
Corps Base Camp Lejeune pending an Article 32 preliminary hearing,? the 
Marine Corps Training and Education Command spokesperson Captain Sam 
Stephenson said in a statement to news website Task & Purpose.

Stephenson added that the date and location of the trial have not yet 
been determined, and Scheller will have all his legal rights respected.

The marine?s father, Stu Scheller Sr., told the website his son wanted 
accountability for the chaotic situation in Afghanistan, which unfolded 
during the late stages of the withdrawal of US troops.

?All our son did is ask the questions that everybody was asking 
themselves, but they were too scared to speak out loud,? the senior 
Scheller said.

The lieutenant colonel became famous last month after a video was posted 
on social media of him speaking about his ?growing discontent and 
contempt? for the US' handling of the withdrawal. ?People are upset 
because their senior leaders let them down. And none of them are raising 
their hands and accepting accountability or saying, ?We messed this 
up,?? the marine said.

The video was posted shortly after 13 US service members and more than 
160 Afghan civilians were killed in a suicide bombing outside the Hamid 
Karzai International Airport in Kabul amid the frantic, last-minute 
evacuation of Western nationals and local helpers. The Taliban seized 
the capital with little to no resistance on August 15 as US soldiers 
were leaving the country.

In his rant, Scheller questioned the decision to remove American troops 
from the Bagram Airfield, formerly the largest US military base in 
Afghanistan, before organizing the evacuation of civilians from Kabul 
and elsewhere. The next day after making his criticism public, Scheller 
said he had been relieved as battalion commander.

Scheller?s remarks drew praise from conservative figures, including 
former President Donald Trump?s son, Donald Jr. Republican Party 
Congressman Matt Gaetz tweeted at the time that the outspoken marine 
would do a better job than current Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

From karenaram at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 29 13:52:42 2021
From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:52:42 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Tulsi Gabbard
Message-ID: <CH0PR19MB53140EF5F667EB91F713B29EA3A99@CH0PR19MB5314.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Beautiful, polished, excellent speaker always keeping her cool, saying the right things as a Democrat candidate for President. Tulsi appealed to those opposed to war. I've always seen her as a sheepherder for the Democrat Party.

It was clear from the beginning she supported drone warfare, and AIPAC, thus her stand as "anti-war" was false. She is now revealing herself in her appearance on FOX.

I know, I?m playing the ?told you so card,? not nice, but in doing so, I?m attempting to make the point that anyone running for President as a candidate for the Democrat Party can not be trusted no matter what they say. Please see below:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tulsi-gabbard-islamist-jihadists-wage-war

From carl at newsfromneptune.com  Thu Sep 30 14:19:20 2021
From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:19:20 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: The Great Debt Debate: Michael Hudson vs.
 Thomas Piketty
References: <20210930140127.1.253F2CC2E42EFC1D@mg.unz.com>
Message-ID: <EF37AE40-FCB1-48E1-9387-29973545A7B3@newsfromneptune.com>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Michael Hudson / The Unz Review <social at unz.com>
> Subject: The Great Debt Debate: Michael Hudson vs. Thomas Piketty
> Date: September 30, 2021 at 9:00:50 AM CDT
> To: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> 
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> Nika: Hi, I?m Nika. I?m David?s wife. This is an event in the honor of the first anniversary of David Graeber?s passing, and then the spirits of his rejection of academic arrogance, and our urgent need to get out of the crisis we are in. We set up the Art Project, so welcome to the first one of the series.
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> Today, we are talking about ?What is debt.? The next one will be about the nature of money. David was probably the most famous anthropologist of our times, and the best selling author. Even still, he had fold in his computer called ?Nightmare,? in which he dumped all bills, bureaucratic papers, invoices, and papers of his academic achievements. He regards the idea of isolated individual as a myth.
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> What interested David much more was dialogue. He believed that it is only in dialogue in the clash of opinions, where answers are formed, and how human consciousness is born. We humans, according to David, are the product of our social relationship. That?s why it was so important for him to be involved in the situation in which people think and act collectively.
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> The David Graeber Foundation will follow the same path. We have several projects lined up from collective editing of his archives, to publishing The Anthology of The Fight Club, starting from the first debate between David Graeber and Peter Thiel. As Fight Club official cheerleader, I urge our fighters to be emotional, provocative, and bold, because the questions that we?ll discuss concern us all.
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> If enough of us will change the way we think about what debt means, then the social design of our society will change along with this. This is just that, as David described, a revolution is a change of common sense and the collective imagination. David argued that the main achievement of the Paris Commune, despite its defeat, was the transformation of the common sense in about how we live together.
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> Most of what we consider ordinary in our city?s public transportation, street lights, public schools, late hours, work days, and even what they?re not yet achieved ? equal pay for women and men ? originated in the Paris Commune. It was then considered to be social madness. The same can be said about occupy, those 10 anniversary we celebrated now, just as we celebrate David?s life. Occupy, didn?t take over any territory.
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> It didn?t have leaders in government, but it did change the public discourse. It?s become important to talk about equality, poverty and debt. After occupy, we?ve all looked at the world differently. Speaking on that, the position of our fighters today are radically different. I want to express my immense gratitude to Thomas Piketty, who replied to my email, although we didn?t know each other, and agreed to participate in this debate.
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> I also want to think Michael Hudson, who came up with the many of the ideas that David Graeber built upon in his book, 5,000 Years of Debt. I really hope that this debate can radically change the way we think about the world, and what else could be more exciting. I pass to Lynn Parramore, whom I thank you for agreeing to moderate his discussion.
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> Moderator: Well, it?s my great pleasure and it?s wonderful to welcome everyone from all over the world. We share some commonalities in our human experience, and one of them is that we tend to come into the world, most of us, [00:04:00] under-capitalized for the experience. In a sense, most of us are united in debt, and that?s why it?s especially exciting to have two such brilliant thinkers help us unpack this difficult subject from the suitcase, where we like to push away into the back of the closet.
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> Today, I?m very delighted to welcome my friend, Michael Hudson. He is a distinguished professor of economics at the University of Missouri, Kansas City. He?s also a researcher at the Levy Institute at Bard. He?s a former Wall Street analyst and a frequent commenter on economic matters and his historical matters. He?s written extensively about debt.
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> As you just heard from Nika, his work was a great inspiration for David Graeber. He can also tell you more about the ancient Sumerians than you ever dreamed of knowing. Hopefully, we can get to hear a little bit about that today. Welcome Professor Hudson. Welcome also too Thomas [00:05:00] Piketty. He is the professor at the EHESS in the Paris School of Economics. He?s also the co-director of the World Inequality Lab.
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> You know him for going viral with his books telling us why most of us don?t have any money. Of course, there was his smash hit Capitalism in the Twenty-First Century. More recently, which you must get, if you haven?t read it, Capitalism and Ideology. [00:05:30] Welcome to you, Professor Piketty. We?ll start out having each of you tell us your thoughts about debt. Your position on the topic, and you?ll have about five minutes each. I think we?ll start with you Professor Hudson.
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> Michael Hudson: I thought we were going to let Tom go first. Otherwise, it?s going to be what I agree with that he wrote, to set up where I go from there. So let him say what he wrote.
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> Moderator: That?s fine with me. Thomas, would you like to go first?
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> Thomas Piketty: Yes, whatever, it?s fine. Let me say a few words. First, let me thank you for organizing this. When I received Nika?s email, I felt very emotional because I remember very well the discussion we had with David Graeber back in 2013 in Paris, which was right after my book Capital in the Twenty-First Century was first published in French.
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> It was not yet available in English, so David had not read it, but I had read his book and that as The First 5,000 Years, and this was for me, this was really a very powerful reading. This made me think a lot, maybe this was not so visible in Capital in The Twenty-First Century, because I had written it actually before I could read David?s book, but, to me, this was really a major a major contribution. [00:07:00]
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> What about that? Let me simply say that in the future there will be again other debt consolidation, massive debt consolidation. There are long cycles about that which, of course, David talks about we go back to ancient history or to Sumerians times as Michael has been working on. You have this long-run cycle, but you also have more short-run history of debt consolidation and more medium-run history if you want.
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> I think it?s very important to remember that there are two modern episode which I find particularly striking in terms of getting debt back to zero, at least considering a big part of debt. The French Revolution, of course, is a very important example. This was a time when, basically, the political system did not manage to make pay those who should have paid for the public spending.
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> There was a flight toward debt because people who should have paid the tax managed somehow to escape. The solution was The French Revolution, the end of fiscal privileges of the aristocracy or consolidation of debt through partly through inflation, partly through taxation. That?s one modern episode. The also modern episode which I want to refer to is, of course, after World War II, after in 1945, 1950 most rich economies had public debt, which were enormous even bigger than today.
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> They made the choices, a political choice through, a very conflictual social movement, political fight. In the end, the choice was made collectively not to repay this debt. This happens in various ways ? inflation in some cases, but some countries like Germany in particular, which is viewed today as very conservative in terms of economic doctrine and ideology and which, in many ways, is very conservative.
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> We?ll see after the election in a few days, but it?s still going to be quite conservative, probably, in any case. But in fact, after World War II developed, applied a solution to get rid of the debt of the past, through monetary reform, and through progressive taxation of very high wealth holders in order to, in effect, compensate the lower wealth holders for the loss of holdings that was implied by military reform.
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> In the end this was certainly not a perfect system, but as compared to all the ways of getting rid of past debt, it was certainly one of the most equitable or at least unequitable way to address the problem. I think we will have also episodes like this future, so nobody knows the form it will take, the kind of political mobilization. Occupy was an important episode. There are other social movement, tax reforms, if you think of the Yellow Vest movement in France a couple of years ago, which was a major tax revolt to get rid of what I think was a very unequal project to raise the carbon tax that fell basically on the poorest group in society.
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> There will be a need to address climate challenges, but also all sorts of social and developmental challenges. Societies will have to find ways of getting rid of their debt. Right now, we have this illusion that we can just take it, and the central bank offer and forget about it. I think it will be more conflictual and less peaceful than this, because it?s always a matter in the end of redefining a power relation between different social groups, so it cannot be completely peaceful. It involves a conflicting social interest.
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> It involves different groups of people with different agendas. In many ways, we are in a situation which is not, I think completely different from the one at the time of The French revolution. Those who should pay have somehow managed to design a legal system and the political system so that they can escape taxation. At the same time, middle class and lower class people are fed up of paying the bill for them. The solution is more and more debt.
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> At some point, something else will have to happen. I think it will have to be roughly the same solution as it was 200 years ago, which is the end of physical privileges of a small group in the population that has managed to escape taxation for too long. That?s the initial perspective on debt. Of course, I?d be very interested to hear Michael continue the discussion.
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> Moderator: Thank you. Michael, the floor is yours.
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> Michael: Well, I certainly appreciated the book that you published on the accumulation of wealth, and how it?s concentrated in the hands of the 1%. I think everybody knew intuitively that this was the case, but economists being who they are, they don?t really accept something until it?s all there in statistics. You did just a wonderful job in tying together all of these statistics, and showing how the degree to which wealth the 1% have concentrated wealth in every country.
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> You also made what I think is the most important point, where you said, ?What?s caused this?? You came up with the broad answer that I agree with. You said that financial returns exceed the overall rate of growth, and if financial returns exceed the overall rate of growth, of course, you?re going to have the rich getting richer and richer. The reason where we have a different approach is, how do you explain all of this?
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> Well, when your book came out, a number of writers said, ?Well, this is the Marx of the 20th century.? You showed that there was an abrupt turning point in 1980 and everything changed. I think the 1% looked at your statistics as a success story. They said, ?Yes, we?re really doing better than everybody else.? The head of Goldman Sachs said, ?That?s because we?re so productive? ? at making money, that is.
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> I think the reason your book was praised so much in the West is that you didn?t come up with a threatening political solution. When they said, ?This was the Marx book, the Marx of modern times.? That meant ?Don?t read Marx, read this book.? I suspect that after you put all of this enormous good work into the statistics that you did on wealth and income, I think the publisher probably said, ?Well, what are your solutions??
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> Well, you just came up with the solution that you said in the book: to tax income and wealth. This is not a threatening solution because there?s no way that you?re going to tax wealth, as long as you have offshore banking centers to conceal wealth. As long as you have what the oil industry put in place a 100 years ago, the flags of convenience pretending to make their income abroad in zero-tax enclaves.
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> The fact is, the 1% don?t really make much income. Their ideal, if you?re a billionaire, you want to do what half of American corporations do: You don?t make [00:15:30] a penny of taxable income. That?s the problem. I want to go into what your book was not about. I?m not criticizing you for not writing a different book, but it?s what I write about: what is it that has created this wealth and income disparity, and why has it widened so much since 1980?
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> The most obvious reason is that interest rates reached a peak of 20% in 1980, and they?ve gone down ever since. In the late 1970s my old boss?s boss at Chase Manhattan, Paul Volcker said, ?Let?s raise interest rates very high, because the 99% are getting too much income. Their wages are going up. Let?s raise interest to slow the economy, and that will prevent wages from going up.? He did, and that was a large reason why Carter lost the election to Ronald Reagan.
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> Interest rates went down from 20% to almost 0% today. The result was the largest bond market boom in history. Bonds went way up in price. The economy was flooded with bank credit, and most of this credit, apart from going into the bond market, went into real estate. There is a symbiosis between finance and real estate, and also between finance and raw materials like oil and gas and minerals extraction, natural resource rent, land rent, and also monopoly rent.
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> Most of the monopoly rent has come from the privatization that you had from Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and the whole neoliberalism. If you look at how did this 1% get most of this wealth? Well, if you look at the Forbes list of the billionaires in almost every country, they got wealth in the old-fashioned way: from taking it from the public domain. In other words, privatization.
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> You have the largest privatization and transfer of wealth from the public sector to the private sector in history, and specifically selloffs to the financial sector. And all of a sudden, instead of infrastructure, public health, other basic needs being provided at subsidized rates to the population, you have a privatized owners financed by the banks, raising the prices they charge to whatever they can get, without any market borrowing power.
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> In the United States, the government is not even allowed to bargain with the pharmaceutical companies for the drug prices. There?s been a huge monopolization, a huge privatization, a huge flooding of the economy with credit, and one person?s credit is somebody else?s debt. You?ve described the 1% wealth in the form of savings, but I focus on the other side of the balance sheet. This 1% finds its counterpart in the debts of the 99%.
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> The 1% have got wealthy by indebting the 99% for housing that has soared in price, 20% just in the last year in the United States, and also for medical care, utilities and education. The economy has been forced increasingly into debt just to function without wages and living standards rising.
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> How can one solve this? Taxation will not be enough. The only way that you can actually reverse this concentration of wealth is to begin wiping out the debt. If you leave the debt in place of the 99%, then you?re going to leave the 1% savings all in place. These savings are largely tax-exempt. Basically, I think you?ve left out the government?s role in this wealth creation of the 1%. Finance has indeed grown faster than the economy, and finance and real estate have merged into the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate sector, the FIRE sector.
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> High finance has absorbed the oil industry, the mining industry, and it?s absorbed most of the government. Financial wealth has become the economy?s central planner. It?s not planned in Washington or Paris or London. It?s planned in Wall Street, the City of London and the Paris Bourse. The economy is being managed financially, and the object of financial management is to make capital gains.
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> As your statistics point out, capital gains are really what explains [00:20:30] the increase in wealth. You don?t get rich by saving out of earnings and income. Rent is for paying interest. Income is for paying interest. You get rich off the government subsidizing an enormous increase in the value of stocks and bonds by the central banks.
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> The reason that inequality is occurring is that the largest public utility of all, money creation and banking, is left in private hands. Privatized banking in the West is very different from what government banking is in say, China. Government banking would create credit for public uses, for what the economy needs to grow. In the United States and throughout the West, banks create credit to slow the economy from growing, they make loans not to create new means of production and new factories. They make loans against property already in place ? mainly to buy real estate already in place. Some 80% of bank loans in America and Europe are for real estate.
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> Banks make loans for corporate takeovers to buy other companies. They don?t make loans to build new factories, which is what government money creation in China would do. As long as you leave banking and credit in private hands, you?re going to have banks creating their product: debt. The more debt they create, the more debt service that borrowers, the 99%, have to pay the banks in order to obtain a house. or an education. or medical care, or just to break even.
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> The more money they pay the financial sector, the less they have to pay for goods and services. As the economy polarizes between the 1% and the 99%, the economy as a whole, shrinks, because more and more of its income is spent not on production and consumption, it?s spent just on debt service. My solution is to restore banking and credit to public hands to prevent the lending that simply finances asset-price inflation.
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> Second, you talked about taxing. Some taxes are more important than others. As long as the banks and the financial sector write the tax codes, as long as the government lawmakers are basically employees of the financial sector that finances their political campaigns, you?re not going to be able to tax them, or to close down the fictitious transfer pricing that corporations use to pretend not to make money except in artificial enclaves without an income tax.
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> You have to tax the source of the money that pays interest to the banks. That source is mainly economic rent. It?s primarily land rent. If you would tax on the increase in land values, if you?d have a land tax, which is what the whole 19th century was about ? Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill and even Marx. You would not have this increased rent being paid to the financial sector to be monopolized by the 1%.
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> You?d have to change the way in which the tax code is based, away from earned income and wealth. But that is really not very practical in today?s political situation. You?d have to have a land tax and a natural resource tax to get rid of monopoly rent. You also have to return basic key infrastructure to the public domain, where it was before 1980, so that basic needs can be supplied at low prices, not creating monopoly rent for the 1%.
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> You have to realize that financiers use this wealth to take over the economy. This has to be reversed, because once you have wealth taking the form of financial claims and loans to other people as debt, you have compound interest. Any rate of interest is a doubling time, and compound interest is always going to grow faster than the economy?s real growth. The way to prevent this isn?t simply to lower the interest rate, which has been done today, to 0.1%. The only solution is to wipe out the overall debts that are stopping economic growth
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> These debts are the savings of the 1%. The good thing about canceling debts is, you cancel the savings of the 1%. As long as you leave these savings in place, there?s not going to be a solution.
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> Moderator: Thank you so much, Michael. Thomas, feel free to respond to this idea of canceling debt.
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> Thomas: Yes, I don?t feel we have any major disagreement about everything you just said, Michael. Let me say also regarding my book Capital in the 21st Century. It?s book that has lots of limitations. On many issues I?ve tried to make progress since then. This was written 10 years ago. I wrote Capital and Ideology much more recently, which I think addresses some of the shortcomings, but still this book has also a lot of limitation.
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> I?m trying to make progress all the time. I certainly don?t pretend that all the answers are in one book. That being said, I think many things that you?ve mentioned, again, I fully agree with that. As I said, the consolidation of debt is very important because, as you very well said, the part of the increase in private wealth at the top was really made through privatization of public assets and increased public debt.
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> There?s one statistic that I stress a lot. If you look at the net wealth of the public sector, the net wealth of the government ? government assets minus government debt ? it used to be in the 1970s that net public wealth was between 20% and 30% of total national wealth. Net private wealth was bigger, like 70% or 80%, but still, net public wealth was 20%, 30% in [00:27:00] Germany, in the US, in France, in Britain and in Japan.
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> That was a central part of everything that was to be owned in terms of marketable assets in society belonging to the public domain ? say, around one quarter or between one quarter and one third. Today, three, four decades later, it is close to zero or actually negative in the US or the UK. In the sense that the public debt is bigger than the public assets, because many public assets were privatized while public debt increased.
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> In effect, there was transfer of public wealth to private wealth holders. That?s a very important evolution. The most extreme case, of course, will be Russia and post-communist countries, where you just transfer all the public wealth and you make oligarchs out of nothing. In fact, all countries have had these trajectories over the recent decade. That?s really an important part of the stories that I?ve been trying to tell.
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> Again, I don?t think we have any disagreement on this. At a even broader level, it?s all about power and political institutions. As you said, as long as the system of political finance and parties, companies, media and think tanks are largely controlled by large wealth holders, our collective ability to change the distribution of wealth and through taxation or debt consolidation, or whatever the method is, is going to be limited.
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> It?ll take a major political fight to challenge the political rules of the game and the political institutions to change this. The good news is that it has always been like this. Sometimes it has worked in the past, but it has worked. I mentioned the French Revolution. Of course, that?s a huge popular mobilization. Also in the 20th century, I mentioned after World War II, after World War I.
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> Well, let?s be clear, it?s only because there was a very powerful labor movement, a socialist movement, and a communist counter-model in the East, which in the end put pressure on the governing elite in the West. So they had to accept a number of decisions, which were limited in scope, but still which transformed the economic and social system in very substantial way as compared to the pre-World War I and 19th century economic system.
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> It?s only through this enormous political mobilization and collective organization ? the same as in the past. Just one last point: You mentioned the case of China and I think the Chinese control model can contribute maybe in the future also to put pressure on the West to change. Also at this stage, the big difference with the Soviet control model is that the Soviet control model had a narrative and a proximity between socialist and communist patterns or labor movements. So in effect, the elite in the West felt threatened by this control model, and this contributed to reinforce, to some extent and until a certain point, the labor movement in the West ? until the final fall of the Soviet Union.
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> Which of course impacted capitalist ideology, and everything we?ve seen since then. Regarding the Chinese model, you mentioned the fact that the banking system is working a bit more to the service of the real economy and infrastructure and investments, than the banking system in the West. By and large, the Chinese model looks more and more like a perfect digital dictatorship, and nobody really wants to [chuckles] copy this, apart from other government elite, who would like to keep their population quiet and restrict movement as efficiently as the Beijing regime is doing.
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> No collective movement in the world wants to look like this, so this also limits the pressure that this control model can put on the West. At the end of the day I think this can be one of the forces that still can induce change. For instance, when we talk about the taxation of multinational in 2021, which what has been decided by rich countries, it is very limited. They claim they have solved the problem of multinational taxation, but it?s a bit ridiculous how little they have done.
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> The minimum tax rate of 15% is ridiculously small. Also, rich countries are sharing between themselves the tax base, currently in tax havens. Countries in the Global South basically don?t get anything. I think that?s an area in which the pressure of the Chinese control model in the future may contribute to induce rich countries to have a bit more inclusive attitude toward the South.
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> If they don?t do it, China will [finance the investment and the infrastructure investment that is needed in Africa and in South Asia. At some point, fully Western countries will realize this, or they will just lose any capacity to influence the world. This is getting us very far from the initial discussion, but I hope this is still more or less relevant.
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> Moderator: Michael, feel free to respond.
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> Michael: Well, it would not surprise me if we ended up in agreement with what to do. I realize that you wrote your book about your topic, and I wrote my book about what to do about it. I just want to point out, where I think we do have a disagreement. My point is that compound interest is always going to grow faster than the economy?s real ability to grow. In the end, debts can?t be paid. Right now, you see a lot of third-world debts.
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> If Third World debtor countries have to pay their foreign debts as the world economy slows down, they?re going to be subjected to austerity, to the World Bank?s and IMF?s austerity program, and they?re going to be kept in poverty. Is that really right that they should be kept in poverty just to enrich the bondholders of the 1%? The 1% will say, ?Yes, that?s why we?re the 1%, so that we can impoverish other people. That?s our liberty. Our liberty is the right to impoverish other people, and reduce them to dependency.?
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> That will happen if you do not write down the debts. It?s already happening in the United States with the student debt crisis. Students have to pay so much money, as they fall behind on their student debts that they can?t afford to take out mortgages to buy homes. You?re having the homeownership rates plunge in the United States. That?s the result of leaving debts in place.
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> The mortgage debts are causing shrinkage, so there is no way to get out of this economic polarization without a debt breakdown. But that?s something that is still too radical. When I was referring to what China?s doing, I?m referring to what it?s doing today and tomorrow about the real estate company, Evergrande. China has a choice: Is it going to leave Evergrande?s real estate debts in place, with Evergrande as a real estate company that?s 2% to 3% of the entire Chinese economy.
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> If it pays the foreign creditors and the domestic 1% of China, it?s going to impoverish the employees of Evergrande, it?s going to make housing prices more and more expensive in China. China?s had a debt-financed housing boom. If you leave the debts in place, then you?re going to impoverish China. Obviously, China is going to say, ?We?re not going to put the creditors first, we?re not going to do what the West does.? The West advocates the sanctity of debt service, and says, ?Debts that you owe are sacred. It?s worse sacrificing the economy, it?s worth plunging the economy into poverty in order to preserve the wealth of the 1%.?
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> I think China is going to make the opposite decision and say, ?We?re not going to commit political suicide. It?s a socialist economy. When it comes to debt and credit, it has kept its banking in the public domain. The People?s Bank of China is the creditor, it can afford to write down the debt without having any political backlash, because it?s canceling debts owed to itself. That is the great advantage of keeping money and credit as a public utility.
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> As for private bondholders, China?s going to say, ?Well, sorry, bondholders, you made loans to a company that was way over-leveraged. Already, the American bond rating companies have reduced their bond rating to junk. You knew what you were buying. If you continued to hold bonds that Fitch and other bond raters like Moody?s all said were junk, and you lose your money? Well, you took the risk, you got a high rate of interest, now you?re paying the price.? That?s how markets work.
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> That really is the argument. Obviously, what I?m suggesting is a radical step, just as you?re suggesting of taxing wealth would require the radical step of closing down offshore banking standards of simply negating it, if banks would erase all of the deposits they have from the offshore banking centers. In the Cayman Islands, Panama, Liberia and all the places that began to be set up by the mining companies, the [00:38:00] oil companies and those that were set up beginning in the 1960s, essentially, by the CIA to finance the Vietnam War by making America, like England, the home for criminal capital and flight capital.
> 
> All this flight capital and the kleptocracy that you mentioned in Russia, all this really should be wiped out. If you leave this capital, if you leave this 1% in place, the economy is going to be sacrificed and shrinking. Is it worth shrinking the economy just to leave the 1% in place? If you challenge them, that?s pretty radical. That?s really what I think Marx would say today.
> 
> Moderator: Thank you. I wanted to just pitch a question to you all before we turn it over to some questions from the audience. You?ve both mentioned, it?s not the elephant in the room, it?s the Tyrannosaurus Rex in the room. I think ? Thomas, as you put it, those who should pay, design the system. You both have commented [00:39:00] on this enormous problem that we have.
> 
> Every time we have good ideas, ranging from just a tiny little tax on the rich, to the more radical ideas that Michael was suggesting, we run up against this Tyrannosaurus Rex. Where do you all see the most effective pressure points coming from right now, in terms of getting anything accomplished on debt? Where is the effective mobilization potentially coming from that you see developing now?
> 
> Thomas: Maybe, let me first say, we need regular debt consolidation. I don?t think at all this is radical or too radical. If anything, I think this is not radical enough, because I think in addition to debt consolidation, we need also to redistribute the assets, to redistribute wealth. When I?m talking about taxing wealth, it?s also redistributing wealth, giving wealth to people who don?t own anything. It?s not only concerning their debt, it?s also giving them positive ownership rights in companies, in housing. Yes, I think there?s really no disagreement on this.
> 
> Now, what about the pressures that will come? Well, two things. First, I think the real problem is the system of free capital flow. We have created an international legal system where, in effect, we have almost circularized right to accumulate wealth in a country using the public infrastructure, your education system, any system of a country.
> 
> You can push on a button, transfer your assets in another jurisdiction, and nobody knows where you are, nobody. There?s nothing natural in the system. It was made by your set of international treaties, a particular legal system. Individual countries have to get rid of that. Then, so in the case of Europe, you cannot wait to get rid of that. Individual countries have to say, ?Okay, I?m not against the separation of investment and capital goods, but it has to come with government taxation, with government regulation, government rules. It cannot just be like this. You push on a button, we don?t know where you are. This has to go.?
> 
> Some proposals that was made by Bernie Sanders in the presidential campaign in the US, early last year, it seems like ages ago. But that was only 18 months ago. When he said, ?If you want to escape my federal wealth tax, you can go away, but then you will have to pay your 40% exit tax. You will have to keep 40% of your assets in the US if you want to go ahead.? That?s clearly a big change as compared to free capital flow. But that?s the change we need to consider. How is this going to happen? Well, first, we need to realize that the free capital flows treaty agreement, which came a lot, actually, in fact, from Europe in the 1980s, but also from Washington, of course, it was a co-production. It?s up to individual countries to escape that.
> 
> Another source of change and pressure, I think, is climate change. It is going to put a strong pressure in the sense that, I think when people see more and more catastrophic climatic events, attitudes toward globalization and toward inequality in general can change very quickly, because at some point, people will not find it funny at all to have all these billionaires giving lessons using their private jets, doing space tourism, et cetera.
> 
> At some point, I think nobody?s going to find this funny at all, and that can be a very quick and fast complete change in attitude. Then, I think the Chinese control model with all its good and bad (very bad sometimes) aspects can also be a factor of change.
> 
> Moderator: Thank you. Michael, would you like to respond to that?
> 
> Michael: Yes, I don?t see a change within the existing system. I guess that makes me radical. Thomas did not mention the main point that he made in his book, which was, his number one suggestion was tax inherited wealth, because most wealth is inherited. That?s one of the things that he?s found. Absolutely right. Great idea.
> 
> Saint-Simon, the great French economist had this idea on the very first book he wrote around 1806. It made him very unpopular, and he soon realized that there was no way of doing that. From Saint-Simon on, to the entire 19th century of British political and French political economy, they all agreed, with Smith and the others, there?s the rentier landlord class. The 1% in their day were the landlords.
> 
> You have to tax away the land rent and make that the public tax based, not taxes on consumer goods, not taxes on capital, because you want good capital investment, you want fortunes to be made in a good way that add to the economy?s productivity. You don?t want them to be made in a predatory way. The whole fight was to tax economic rent, and to recognize that most income is unearned.
> 
> When you talk about the income disparity, almost all this disparity is unearned income, it?s economic rent. Is not income that?s made by increasing production or increasing living standards. It?s just predatory rent-seeking from special privileges that the wealthy have gain from government. But today it?s not the landlord class anymore as it was in the 19th century. It?s the financial class, the raw-materials class.
> 
> Without dealing with this structure, the economic system is going to shrink and shrink. We?ve seen this before. We saw it in Rome, the same polarization and concentration of wealth in the Roman Empire. Well, the last stage of that was feudalism. We?re back to what Rosa Luxemburg said, ?The choice is between socialism and barbarism.? There?s no other way to do it. You can?t solve the problems within the existing system, because it?s controlled by the 1%.
> 
> Moderator: Thank you, Michael. I?d like to toss out a couple of questions from the audience now. We have a question about energy. One viewer asked, ?Isn?t energy as much a source of value as land? Should we have progressive taxes on energy use as well/or instead of land value tax??
> 
> Michael: First of all, land doesn?t have any cost-value, nor does energy have any. We?re talking about economic rent. The financial sectors uses part of its income to subsidize economic schools and universities to change the vocabulary. Our vocabulary is different from the realistic vocabulary that we had in the 19th century. Land doesn?t really have a value, nature creates it.
> 
> Value is created by people working and creating it. Nature provides the land, and the public sectors spending on infrastructure creates the rent of location, which increases land prices. Nature provides the oil. Economic rent is what we?re talking about. This economic rent of land, oil and minerals and monopolies belongs in the public domain, so that you don?t have to have an income tax or excise taxes and value-added taxes on labor and industry.
> 
> You should tax the rentier free lunch, not labor in industry. That?s what a free market meant in the 19th century, and that meaning has been inverted. Today, a free market has the right for the rentiers to avoid taxes and shift the entire tax base on to labor and industry. They do this by twisting around and perverting the English language. They get rid of the analytic language that you need to even explain how most income and most wealth is unearthed.
> 
> Moderator: How about you, Thomas, do you think that we need to clarify how we talk about and define value?
> 
> Thomas: Well, in the case of energy, first we have to clarify the fact that there are some sources of energy which create negative value because of global climate change, and climate warming, also ? a negative external effect of using some energy. We have to make some of the energy sources just illegal. We have to keep some of the oil in the ground. We have to stop looking for new oil and gas.
> 
> The solution to some of the energy questions we have is just to make illegal the use of certain energy and to move to other energy. That?s part of the answer. Now, if we have done that, and we deal with energy that don?t have much bigger negative impact on mankind than the positive productive impact, then redistribution of wealth must be about all forms of wealth.
> 
> Whether it?s rent, or energy, or financial assets or housing, we need to have a permanent circulation of wealth and power.. Taxation of wealth will be a permanent, progressive tax on net wealth, which, in effect, will wipe out all the biggest wealth right away ? say up to 90% tax per year for millionaire. There will still be some people who own \$100,000, some people who own \$1 million or \$2 million, but there will be a permanent circulation of wealth holdings within this limited wealth grabbers that will still exist. This should be for all forms of wealth, whether it?s land, or housing, or whatever is your region.
> 
> Moderator: Thank you. We seem to have quite a number of students in the audience today. We have a question about student debt, and what types of resistance students could make to change the social relationship [00:50:00] of debt that they get forced into. Do you have any suggestions or rhetorical points that students need to engage with in order to gain support for a debt jubilee on their debts?
> 
> Michael: I wish there were. I don?t see any because you have a President of the United States who wrote the law saying, ?You?re not allowed to wipe out student debt as a result of bankruptcy.? Basically, the American philosophy is that the way to prevent an independent middle class from developing is to keep them so deeply indebted that they have to go to work and go into debt or forego a costly education, not be hired and starve.
> 
> They?re afraid of losing their jobs. They can?t afford to buy homes of their own. The purpose of student debt is to make them dependent. Under socialism and in Europe, China and the older countries, education was free. The whole idea was that it?s what you need in order to grow. But the finance-capitalist system is not industrial capitalism anymore. It is financial capitalism, and that?s very different.
> 
> You?ll use a basic need as a means of saying, ?Your money, or your life. If you don?t pay us, then, you?ll have to forego your education.? The price of getting access to a labor force is to go so deeply into debt that you?re going to have to work for a living, and you?re going to have to work for what we pay you. There?s a class war on, and you?ve got to realize that.
> 
> There?s very little you can do simply as individual students, apart from stopping paying the debt and make the government throw 20 million of you in jail. They can?t do that. The only thing to do, I guess, would be a strike. But meanwhile, they?re going to try to go after your credit rating. They?re going to try to fight you. You have to back politicians who are willing to change this, and unfortunately, there?s no party that?s in favor of canceling student debt or any debt in the United States, because the political parties are subsidized by the banking in the financial sector. I don?t see a way out.
> 
> Moderator: Thomas?
> 
> Thomas: I agree with Michael that with this government and with this president in the US, it?s probably going to be difficult to get a lot going. But and I also agree that the entire political system in the US in a way is so corrupt by money and the way campaigns are financed, and the way media also are financed and are biased in the way they covers of different possible candidates.
> 
> This makes it very difficult. That being said, again, if we go back to 18 months ago, there were candidates in the democratic primary which together, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, I mean they put don?t put them exactly together, of course, but they add the short share of the vote, and on the issue of student debt, I think different things could have happened with a different president and a different majority.
> 
> I think it?s important also to be helpful and to try to prepare what would be a more successful coalition, or more successful political campaign in the future. It?s important to always remember that, as Michael was saying, ?The true source of economic prosperity is not financial capitalism. It is investment in education, investment in the real economy, in infrastructure.?
> 
> In the middle of the 20th century, in the 1950s, 1960s the US had a situation of economic dominance over the rest of the world. It was not through extreme financial inequality. You had a 90% income-tax rate after Roosevelt, but you had a big age educational advance. At that time you had 90% of a cohort will go to high school in the US in 1950s and 1960s.
> 
> At the same time, it was 20 or 30% in Germany or in France. This was this educational advance which made prosperity historically. We seem to have forgotten this in the US following since the 1980s, but so we have to manage to put this back on this agenda. But of course, that?s that?s not easy.
> 
> Moderator: Well, thank you very much to of our speakers today. I think you?ve helped open our minds and think about this topic a little more clearly, even though we?re still not exactly sure how to overcome these tremendous forces that are working against us to find solutions that, really, at the end of the day, I don?t think anything either one of you has said is truly radical in the sense of history.
> 
> As human beings, we have approached and confronted these problems before, and there have been good practical solutions that both of you have offered. I wanted to just turn the floor over to Professor Steve Keen now. Again, thank you everyone for participating in this conversation today.
> 
> Steve Keen: Thank you for our speakers and thank you for the audience as well. I?m sorry that there was only one hour. There have been over 70 questions asked, we?d be here for three hours trying to answer them. I want to particularly thank Thomas for being part of this debate, because one thing Michael and I?ve experienced so frequently is that we can?t get anybody in the establishment to join into discussion with us who areoutside the establishment.
> 
> I really respect you and honor you for doing that. It also shows the tremendous contribution that David made by being somebody who can talk to everybody. Everybody enjoys talking to David. We hope we can maintain that through the idea of forthcoming debates, and we look forward to seeing you all there in the future installments, in The Fight Club. Thank you everybody. Thank you.
> 
> Thomas: Okay, thank you. Thanks a lot for the invitation.
> 
> Steve: Bye.
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> Thomas: Bye-bye
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> Michael: Bye all.
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:21:57 -0500
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: The Living Dead Pax Americana
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> From: Pepe Escobar / The Unz Review <social at unz.com>
> Subject: The Living Dead Pax Americana
> Date: September 30, 2021 at 9:00:47 AM CDT
> To: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> 
> The Unz Review ? An Alternative Media Selection <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw9jM0KhCAYAJ8mj-L3aakHD4H1HuXPtpAWZgj79Bt7WJjTDIw3fgXkjrwNMgSmOQPBgAMFasGySctZWqvlKMdOsPSid_5QdySymehFxF4IZMHxXq0BlBoepZcw-CgUSYajksBRkN1stZ5Xx8cO54fW2v9UjFvK_txzaFcsR8rhrHcOv1jNGS53rEv5AoAIMtY>Subscribe <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw1jc0KhCAYRZ8ml_L5l7lwETi9h5pNQVqoIczTjwwMnMU9m3tWvTpCmUeHpkAJKAaEA2EEE2yIgZeSizRGyVnOA4f4xk_6YH9FtGu7OZCjV4oJLvnorRfOSoBRTQKEAhQ1o5MkjHJ06r3WuwxsHujSaa39n7qVxxWfDxf6Rll7m88eS6GVLV8xhbs-KfyqVd-h-MvZ_AVPSzc4>
> A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw9jM0KhCAYAJ8mj-L3aakHD4H1HuXPtpAWZgj79Bt7WJjTDIw3fgXkjrwNMgSmOQPBgAMFasGySctZWqvlKMdOsPSid_5QdySymehFxF4IZMHxXq0BlBoepZcw-CgUSYajksBRkN1stZ5Xx8cO54fW2v9UjFvK_txzaFcsR8rhrHcOv1jNGS53rEv5AoAIMtY>
> The Living Dead Pax Americana <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJw1jsEKgzAQRL_G3JTdxDbmkINg-x9rsq2CiRJjLf36hkJhDjMMPJ63fkSpnJitBIlgFGALqLDBZsABbkbf9TAY3eu-aiE8myN-GrcGMVnoyDyMQ5CjZ-U67a9MBBcvSV9JsQhWyU6jkq1Y7JTztleqr-S95DzPP6msjXe3jpRKzRPXy_ya47P2TL7e6F1T4DQ7ilR-kayjtBSXyOf-SGuIvOUj8k8q2z_qCy5FQ2o>Pepe Escobar ? September 29, 2021 ? 1,400 Words
> 
> Pax Americana was always a minor character in a zombie apocalypse flick.
> 
> Pax Americana is actually The Eternal Return of the Living Dead. ?Pax? was never in order; War Inc. rules. The end of WWII led directly to the Cold War. The unipolar moment was an arc from the First Gulf War to the bombing of Yugoslavia. 9/11 launched the Global War on Terror (GWOT), renamed Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) by Team Obama. We are now entering Cold War 2.0 against China.
> 
> What former CIA analyst Ray McGovern memorably describes as the MICIMATT (military-industrial-congressional-intelligence-media-academia-think tank complex) never did ?Pax?. They do War, in unison, like The Knights Who Say ?Ni!? <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdzj1vhCAAxvFPAyPhTYGBwYSz6cWh1_Q6dGkEUS8R8RBrep--XpNn-g-_PJ3uLKHMwZummBKsGCYcE0YQQYYYfFKiFsYoUYkKcBwGtM0P5GKAo8bKW2F94duit1j2EpetVAfHZVF0nsKgGZWCMMrhpMeclxWwCtD62L7v6DduebP-qT1Lm90IWP0DmHm8fvIlXr-qSwS0nG5rPmLTiO6ezgN5K7_fGxFemuvwgesLTNq1aTrezX5f-xTD7Je8zf8wzHrxq4u2TX9nHUdc> ? minus the comic flair.
> 
> Take this Knight for the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjsuKhDAURL9Gd5F7kwzRRRaC3f9xzUMDGiWJhJmvn3RDLepQUByr7YpcmD5oDhxhEoASUOCAw4ILvCb1VssyqVnNnYRzG574N5jr7HdtOa6kLEyrFdKMHkmOhn7AoSdwUvWnFnxUKLjsD72XcudOzB1_t9RaB38lF7ZI3lNI-XPaBkolmMPlVp8YirMsFypf_ggyGBnIBilse2GVflm-j1CY2UMkRtGy9OQcqE_aUDqac3Q1-3Sd0d3lie4rX_TtsrlWSv-JzVD2>, the heart of the establishment matrix. CFR specializes in Kissingerian Divide and Rule. Now that applies, in spades, to the Russia-China strategic partnership.
> 
> Knights overwhelmingly state the obvious: ?Chinese power must be contained? <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwlTtuKxCAU-5r61uLxuFUffCh05z-8nNkK1ZbqUNivH4eBkIQQQqKNHgQGlqzgArhBDpIDwgTTCiv_Neqh1tWoRS2D5PlvepX_KRyZbVaj1EA4C5QmoJ9RkNcg1awxwsw9yxaFVoBCst1urZ11wGUQj477vqdITyqVjkKfwR6mSK52_Tzpwk0nl-lKwdWx0D260tIYtlTc6PY9uRKoV0D_oJHdsMsGd-39Zy_X53XkQmd7ffdZsyfVcHh3vQE7gkji>. They sell the current, serial imperial debacle as ?grand strategic moves?, in a quirky, lost in translation mixed salad of Gramsci and Lampedusa: a ?new order? (engineered by the Empire) is being born via ?everything must change so everything may remain the same? ? privileging the Empire.
> 
> Other Knights even propose the ludicrous notion that the current POTUS, an actual zombie remote-controlled by a teleprompter, is capable of conceiving a ?foreign policy for the middle class? <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjs1uxCAMhJ8m3BLZQPNz4BAp3fcAYjZUiYkI26h9-rKVrPGMLY2-1awOpfIiGgkSYVKAGlBhh92CC3xOw2NYlmmYh7nRcDy7F_92Ph1iMwiBQhi1I_1BHsFaZ-U6gvJypL6fxGGUHAdUUovdbKWcV6PmRj7q3PfdlY1s2S2X6N-N9Rq5UGZbYmK712yz3-I3VfeGqwv6Kl-JWhdX4jakTPHJ7Zn26H_qq8cJFVQjsvE27xWZ6b5CTgfTWV5M_-zFnHT55Gz-A-t4Tsc> , as if the MICIMATT would ever approve a scheme to ?advance prosperity in the free world as a whole?. The ?free world? has just been stunned by the ?prosperity? offered to Afghanistan during 20 ?bombing to democracy? years.
> 
> And then there are British Knights, who at least should have known their Monty Python by heart, carping about illiberalism and the ?regimes created by Xi and Putin? <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjsuKxCAQRb8m7hRLkzEuXATS_R--0hGiCbF6wvTXtxkoqOJy63CCCQ6E9CQZwQVwLTn0HCQwYDPM_KHVU82zVpOaup7nF3uXD_N7JqsJ46LcwEc3OAgLeO61G9o_jDLIH21JNlKMCqToyWZWxKN2curEs811XazEq6LFWLMtN7LFx74lTL6289Zpi6u7HSvSVAtFGv5SedGElaYQbaVb-o3Ur6lYchpvz61Z3uDl3HOJB75L_NdFc8Tqd2fPL9pVS2I> , which will ?crumble? and be succeeded by ?anarchy and new despotisms.? Same old Anglo haughtiness mixed with piercing ignorance. Oh, those Asiatic ?tyrannies? threatening the White Man?s civilizational drive.
> 
> We all live in an Aussie submarine
> 
> Now it?s all about AUKUS ? actually U SUK A. Until recently, only the P5 ? the five permanent UNSC members ? possessed nuclear-powered submarines. India joined the club, and later rather than sooner, Australia.
> 
> Every major player knows the next American war will not be about remote Pacific islands. Taiwan, though, is a completely different ball game. U SUK A is mostly about Taiwan.
> 
> U SUK A was finalized at the G7 summit in Carbis Bay last June. That was an Anglo Boys Club affair, discussed exclusively by the Biden-BoJo-Morrison troika ? and duly excluding Japan, even as Tokyo all but drew a samurai sword yelling its intent of supporting Taiwan.
> 
> The problem is there have been no leaks of the fine print contained in U SUK A. Only spin. Yet it?s already clear that U SUK A goes way beyond building Aussie nuclear subs. Canberra will also have access to Tomahawks, Hornets and even become part of American hypersonic missile research.
> 
> But then, in a slip, Australian Defense Minister Peter Dutton gave away the game: U SUK A will allow the upgrading of ?the infrastructure in Perth, that will be necessary for the operation of these submarines. I expect we will see?lease arrangements or greater joint operations between our navies in the future.?
> 
> Translation: Perth will be a forward base for nuclear-powered and nuclear weapon-carrying American subs.
> 
> Why U SUK A now? Let?s go back to WWII ? and the same old cartoonish geopolitics of benign Anglo maritime island powers pitted against the ?evil? Eurasian heartland.
> 
> WWII was the solution to simultaneously prevent Germany from dominating the Atlantic and Japan from dominating the Asia-Pacific (by the way, that?s the correct terminology: ?Indo-Pacific? is Empire-speak).
> 
> Germany-Japan was all about an alliance that would be predominant across the Eurasian heartland. Now, the Empire of Chaos is being slowly but surely expelled from the Eurasian heartland ? this time by the Russia-China strategic partnership.
> 
> Those with technical knowledge across the Beltway ? not, not the Knights ? are aware the US is not a match for hypersonic Russia. Yet the Americans believe they can make life unbearable for Beijing. The US establishment will allow China to control the Western Pacific over their dead bodies. Enter the instrumentalization of Australia.
> 
> A big question is what will be the new role of the Five Eyes. With U SUK A, the Anglo Club has already stepped beyond mere intel sharing and spying on communications. This is a military pact between Three Eyes.
> 
> Depending on the composition of its new government, Germany could become a Sixth Eye ? yet in a subordinate role. With U SUK A, NATO as a whole, fresh from its spectacular Afghan debacle, becomes little else than a semi-relevant vassal. This is all about maritime power.
> 
> U SUK A in effect is a Quad Plus, with India and Japan, the Fifth Columnist Asians, only allowed to play the role of, once again, mere vassals.
> 
> War before 2040
> 
> Not surprisingly, the first, concise technical and strategic assessment of U SUK A is Russian, written by Alexander Timokhin and published in Vzglyad <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjssOgyAUBb9GloTLxVIWLEyo_6E8ahNAg1gTv77Y5CQzuzlOuxk4WvLRnHFgChkIBggUqAHDXkqO0hglBzl0gqU3PfJF7ZrIonsbEAS43gGfmfJehDn0yG2vpiAeSJJG_pSAXJCol1q3vcOh42Pb96LlaDzXEl3jHW9Qt94CAEoJQZeaIinaTiW2fPbnHsqast_qkf3_R9Wb3-06T-UHzB06gw>, closely linked to GRU intelligence. Here, provided by John Helmer, is an essential English translation <http://emailtrack.mg.unz.com/c/eJwdjs2OgzAQg58GboPyA6QcckCifY8hDCVqE1Am0Ur79BtW8sm2Pnuz2yqVdq23SigpJi1kL6SWnewWuYjnZF5mWSYzm7npRXh3Jf527gztYdGZXfYjDW6UwzoYRevej-YhJhz1VpnBavUwUqu-_doj54sbPTfqVYUxe6Bw-UQ3rTr5INh94gypMHuMwDlhprd3gMzEHChmOHe4m1ju9OsRygcKV5UPApc1YPKR4EKXK7RN1mH61ueRfnhPZ4h05RL_R9tsL2J3rpj-AAL9VUI>.
> 
> The key points:
> 
> The extra subs will create a serious, additional threat; ?the problem of combating enemy submarine forces will become quite acute for China.?
> Geographically, ?Australia can completely block the connection between China and the Indian Ocean.?
> Australia will meet the deadlines only if it lays ?more submarines a year than the Americans.?
> It is ?possible to quickly make Australia a country with a submarine fleet.? These ?gigantic investments and sharp political turns are not carried out just like that. The hegemony of the Anglo-Saxons in the world is seriously shaken.?
> And that brings us to the inevitable conclusion: ?It is worth recognizing that the world is on the verge of war.?
> 
> Even before the Vzglyad strategic assessment, I had submitted the ravings of yet another Beltway Knight ? widely praised as a sage ? to an old school, dissident Deep State intel analyst. His assessment was merciless.
> 
> He wrote me, ?the geopolitical logic is that the China-Russia alliance was determined to be against US interests, much as the Mao-Stalin alliance. SEATO and NATO are being replicated. The treaty between England, Australia and the US is part of the Pacific rebalancing, or a new SEATO. NATO is part of the offset against Russia-China in Europe.?
> 
> On what might lie ahead, he noted that ?the coup against the US, Australia, England and NATO would be a French-Russian alliance to break up NATO and isolate Germany. Russia has unsuccessfully approached Germany, and now may approach France. The loss of France would effectively end NATO.?
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> He sees U SUK A all dressed up with nowhere to go: ?As it stands now, China is in command of the Pacific and Australia and Britain mean nothing. Russia can overrun NATO in two weeks, our adversaries? hypersonic missiles can destroy all NATO airfields within five to ten minutes and the battle for Europe would be over.?
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> He?s adamant that ?the US cannot project power into the Pacific. Chinese submarine missiles would finish off the US fleet in short order. The Australian submarine issue is really irrelevant; if the CIA had an organization that was worth anything they would know that our adversaries already can spot and destroy our nuclear submarines without the slightest difficulty. The entire US Navy is obsolete and defenseless against Russian missiles.?
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> And it gets worse ? at least for the cheerleading Knights: ?The F-35 is obsolete. The Air Force is largely worthless, as Russian and Chinese missiles can finish off their airfields or aircraft carriers in short order. The woke US Army is more worthless than the French Army with their Maginot Line. The Joint Chiefs of Staff are paid less than 200k a year, and are second or third rate talent. The US is a sinking ship.?
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> Assuming that?s really the case, the ? nuclear ? war against China in the Western Pacific, projected in the Beltway to happen in the second half of the 2030s, would be over even before it started. Taiwan may even be part of China by then ? an offshoot of Beijing always proposing economic exchanges to all, while Washington always ?proposes? war.
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> One thing though will never change: The Knights Who Say ?Ni!? singin? the praise of Pax Americana to the utter indifference of the unruly plebs.
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