From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Feb 2 03:48:13 2023 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2023 21:48:13 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: We're Ruled By Assholes Because We Have Asshole Systems: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix References: <487E6186-781C-432D-AA72-483C4FA7A44C@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "C. G. Estabrook" > Date: February 1, 2023 at 9:46:13 PM CST > To: Peace > Subject: Fwd: We're Ruled By Assholes Because We Have Asshole Systems: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix > > ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Caitlin Johnstone from Caitlin?s Newsletter >> Date: February 1, 2023 at 9:13:52 PM CST >> To: cgestabrook at gmail.com >> Subject: We're Ruled By Assholes Because We Have Asshole Systems: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix >> Reply-To: Caitlin Johnstone from Caitlin?s Newsletter >> >> ? >> Open in app or online >> We're Ruled By Assholes Because We Have Asshole Systems: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix >> CAITLIN JOHNSTONE >> FEB 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> CROSS-POST >> >> >> Listen to a reading of this article: >> >> >> >> We're Ruled By Assholes Because We Have Asshole Systems by Going Rogue With Caitlin Johnstone >> Going Rogue With Caitlin Johnstone >> Pledge your support >> >> It's funny to think about how all our abusive, oppressive systems are only there because the people who benefit from them are able to keep everyone else too divided and distracted to notice that we vastly outnumber them and could literally just force change to happen anytime we want. >> >> ? >> >> People have a fairly easy time accepting that things are fucked because we are ruled by corrupt assholes. They have a much harder time accepting that we are ruled by corrupt assholes because our corrupt asshole systems will always necessarily elevate corrupt assholes to the top. >> >> It's easier to blame our problems on oligarchs or the Deep State or a cabal of satanic pedophiles than it is to blame them on systems that we ourselves participate in and have lived our entire lives intertwined with and which have been continuously normalized within our culture. If the problem is just a few corrupt assholes then it's not a very daunting problem, because all you have to do is remove those corrupt assholes and everything's golden. If the problem is the systems around which our entire civilization is structured, it's far more daunting. >> >> It's easy to imagine a future without corrupt assholes. It's almost impossible to imagine a future where human behavior is not driven by profit for its own sake, where we have moved from competition-based systems to collaboration-based ones where we all work together for the common good. >> >> In competition-based systems the most powerful governments will always be those who are willing to do whatever it takes to stay on top, the most powerful people will be those who are willing to do whatever it takes to get power, and everyone else gets crushed in the mad scramble. The fact is we'll always be ruled by corrupt assholes as long as we have competition-based systems, because the best competitors will always be the most ruthless individuals who will do anything to get to the top. Get rid the current assholes and new assholes will necessarily arise to take their place. >> >> It's easy to say "Those assholes at the top need to go." It's much harder to say "Everything I'm familiar with needs to go." It's a giant leap into the dark of the unknown. But that's the only way we'll ever move toward health, and it's the only way our species will avoid being driven to its doom. >> >> ? >> >> >> Caitlin Johnstone >> @caitoz >> Why does China keep aggressively surrounding itself with US military forces? >> >> 3:23 AM ? Jan 31, 2023 >> 3,476Likes789Retweets >> ? >> >> Art snobs used to call you unsophisticated if you didn't like and appreciate Abstract Expressionism, then decades later it came out that the CIA had artificially popularized Abstract Expressionism as part of its culture war against the Soviet Union. There's probably a lesson in there somewhere. >> >> ? >> >> People are making a major confession when they accuse you of having loyalty to Russia or China for criticizing US foreign policy. They're admitting that for them it's not about truth or facts, but about which government you're loyal to. That's why criticism looks like treason to them. >> >> "You're repeating Russian talking points" really only ever means "You're criticizing US foreign policy," and they only object to criticism of US foreign policy because on some level they believe it's every westerner's duty to advance the information interests of the US empire. Saying words based not on whether they're true but on what government's interests they serve is just being a propagandist. Someone who accuses you of being a propagandist because you criticized US foreign policy is actually admitting that they view themselves as a propagandist. >> >> Blind conditioned loyalism is the only thing that can cause someone to meet criticism of the US empire not with the question "Are these words true?" but with a reflexive "Are these words sufficiently loyal to my government and its allies?" That's what's behind those accusations. >> >> This exceedingly common tendency shows us that we live in a civilization guided primarily not by the search for truth but by blind loyalty to rulers, much the same as it was in feudal times. It shows us that western civilization is not at all what it pretends to be. >> >> A future humanity that is actually guided by truth and facts will simply weigh claims and criticisms about important matters based on how demonstrably true they are in the light of currently available information, not on whose propaganda interests they serve. >> >> ? >> >> Jimmy Dore just had a great antiwar rant on Tucker Carlson where he got the message "China's not our enemy" across to the audience most sorely in need of hearing it, and people are on social media trying to act like that's a bad thing. If a peace advocate goes on Tucker Carlson to promote an important antiwar message because other major outlets like MSNBC and CNN refuse to platform any antiwar voices, the very last person you should be angry at in that equation is the peace advocate. >> >> >> Jimmy Dore >> @jimmy_dore >> Big Thanks to @TuckerCarlson for letting someone say this on TV. I would love to bring this message to @MSNBC @CNN @NPR @abcnews etc..but they won?t have me. We?re going to have to come together to stop the war machine: >> >> 7:12 AM ? Feb 1, 2023 >> 21,594Likes7,516Retweets >> If you actually opposed the US empire and its warmongering and nuclear brinkmanship, it would enrage you that liberal outlets refuse to platform people who criticize those things. That would be the focus of your outrage. It would never even occur to you to shriek at Jimmy Dore. If you're angry at Dore for going on Carlson's show instead of at the liberal outlets who refuse to platform antiwar voices, then your real objection isn't to Tucker Carlson, it's to antiwar voices getting a platform. >> >> ? >> >> Nobody actually believes western proxy warfare in Ukraine is about saving Ukrainian lives. You don't save lives by ramping up escalations, you save lives by negotiating peace, which would require concessions from the US empire. Empire simps just don't want those concessions to be made. >> >> The US could easily end this war by respecting Moscow's security concerns and rolling back its war machinery and proxy ops from the region. The US won't do this because it wants to use this proxy war to bleed Russia and facilitate regime change in Moscow. That's all this is. >> >> ? >> >> Once you get a penetrating insight into how much of our civilization is comprised of narratives people made up, it changes your view of everything. Politics. Government. The media. Money. The economy. Religion. Culture. Even your very self. Our entire species moves in accordance with made-up stories. >> >> You might think a clear recognition that our entire society is made of bullshit would be a negative experience, and at first it can be, but what's ultimately understood is something very positive: that if our entire civilization is made up, then we can simply make up something else. Something better. Something that works for all of us. >> >> And then you notice something even cooler: that humanity is already unpacking this insight on a collective level. Longstanding beliefs about power structures and religion are being abandoned en masse. People are making up their own rules about money, gender, relationships, spirituality, etc. That's what you're seeing in these new ideas about cryptocurrencies, in the younger generations' ideas about gender and sexuality, in rewriting the rules of what relationships, marriages and families are supposed to look like. 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URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Feb 2 03:58:11 2023 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2023 21:58:11 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [New post] Patrick Lawrence: The Pathology of Ukrainian Nationalism References: <174340743.34015.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "scheerpost.com" > Date: February 1, 2023 at 3:17:29 PM CST > To: cgestabrook at gmail.com > Subject: [New post] Patrick Lawrence: The Pathology of Ukrainian Nationalism > > ? > scheerpost.com > Patrick Lawrence: The Pathology of Ukrainian Nationalism > Editor > Feb 1 > > 2019-08-24 Kyiv March Polk Azov, Veterans of Azov regiment. Goo3, CC BY-SA 4.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0, via Wikimedia Commons > By Patrick Lawrence / Original to ScheerPost > > What kind of people are these? I asked as I considered, in my previous commentary, the bottomless corruption and cynical theft that have lately bubbled to the surface in Ukraine. What kind of polity is this? What kind of country is Ukraine? To advance this line of inquiry we must now ask: What do we talk about when we talk about Ukrainian nationalism and Ukrainian nationalists? > > Volodymyr Zelensky offers us a nation of admirable patriotic pride and fervor. But does Ukraine?s president represent the sentiments of Ukrainians so faithfully as our corporate-owned media lead us to assume? There are too many reports of Zelensky?s political vulnerability to dismiss as he takes the nation in what amounts to a frenzy of self-destruction?destruction, this is to say, of the nation he purports to be saving. The New York Times and the other major American dailies, which print when the Times prints and are silent when the Times is silent, do not tire of telling us Zelensky came to office in a landslide electoral victory four years ago. I wish they were honest enough to note that one policy, more than any other, won Zelensky 71 percent of the vote. This was a commitment to negotiate a peaceful settlement with Ukraine?s Russian neighbor and mend the fracture running down the center of the country between its western and eastern provinces. > > What kind of national leader is this man who betrayed his electorate and now advertises himself as standing for them? Volodymyr Zelensky used to make his living as an actor, a performer, and it seems to me he continues to do so. What drama is he performing? > > The Azov Battalion, which has emerged as a critical component of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, dropped the Nazi Wolfsangel as its regimental symbol in mid?2022. This had proven problematic after hostilities began a year ago this month. When, with the war on and the West pouring weapons into Ukraine, members of the Azov Battalion went to Washington and then Disney World?an interesting itinerary?their sponsors required them to wear long sleeves to cover up their tattoos of the Wolfsangel and the Schwarze sonnen, their black suns, which figured prominently as occult symbols of Nazi SS rituals. Why? Because we like you! > > Support our Independent Journalism ? Donate Today! > > SUBSCRIBE TO PATREON DONATE ON PAYPAL > Do the Azovs and other such militias, some with tentacles running deep into civil society and politics, properly represent Ukraine?s 44 million people? These 44 million are behind them? I am not in the market for bridges to Brooklyn. > > Prior to the war, The Times and its pilot fish among the American dailies reported often enough on the neo?Nazi character of the Azov Battalion and other Ukrainian nationalists. Now they never do. Journalists who ought to know better, including estimable correspondents such as Roger Cohen, who I suspect does know better, now write routinely that this identification of Ukrainian nationalists with Nazi and Fascist ideology is nothing more than Russian propaganda. > > Eric Hobsbawm, the late and celebrated British historian, wrote a series of books giving names to historical epochs: The Age of Revolution, The Age of Capital, The Age of Empire, The Age of Extremes. They made an excellent chronology of the West?s progress?is this my word?--since the late 18th century. Shall we name our era ?The Age of Cosmetics?? > > Those running Ukraine and the oligarchs who control those running Ukraine are highly dependent on neo?Nazis bearing arms and other ultranationalists. These groups are present in Kyiv?s ministries and in the regime?s intelligence services and, ends justifying any and all means, count assassinations among their methods. A new makeup job will not change this. Fraud is a way of life among the ruling cliques and atop the military. The world?s largest black market in illicit weaponry, a human-trafficking cesspool, 122nd of 180 nations in Transparency International?s corruption rankings: Not even Vogue, with photographs by Annie Liebovitz, can make this look good other than among those with a crying need to believe the orthodoxy because they have a crying need to submit to authority. > > Let us look as closely as we can into this matter of Ukraine?s ardent belief in itself as a nation. Let us, with no help from our media, see what we can see. > > A while back I wrote of a lecture Ernest Renan, the 19th century critic and historian, delivered at the Sorbonne in 1882. Qu?est-ce qu?une nation? (What Is a Nation?) is remembered for Renan?s (disputable) argument about the place of collective forgetting in making a national consciousness. But it is remembered even more, maybe, for Renan?s thumbnail definition of a nation. In part: > > A nation is therefore a great solidarity constituted by the feeling of sacrifices made and those that one is still disposed to make. It presupposes a past but is reiterated in the present by a tangible fact: consent, the clearly expressed desire to continue a common life. A nation?s existence is (please excuse the metaphor) a daily plebiscite, just as an individual?s existence is a perpetual affirmation of life. > I?m willing to excuse the metaphor if you are. It is a very good one. Consent is the core notion here. ?Daily plebiscite? is the phrase students of Renan have celebrated down the decades. > > Taking this as a civilized idea of what makes a nation, even if there is more to the question, how does Ukraine stack up against Renan?s thinking? It is almost too bitter to type the question. Ukrainians had their plebiscite on the last day of March 2019, when they gave their consent to Zelensky?s two serious proposals?to eliminate the nation?s cancerous corruption and to settle up peaceably with Moscow. And the reply was, roughly, ?Plebiscite, schplebiscite, I am not serious about the corruption and I will not give you your peaceful co-existence with Russia. I am going with the Americans, who had no vote and who do not respect yours, who will continue to run our country, and who want neither peace nor co-existence between us and Russia.? > > I do not see how one can take seriously all the talk about Ukrainians? pride in their nation once the implications of what Zelensky has done with his presidency are taken into account. Staying with the just-considered definition, this puppet of America?s neoliberal cliques, this clownish clod Central Casting dresses up in military costume, has deprived Ukrainians of their nation even as he claims to speak in its name. > > Parenthetically, I wonder if we can use the 2019 vote count as a rough, very rough measure of national sentiment as to popular support for Ukraine?s neo?Nazis and ultranationalists and the war in which they figure so prominently and the influence they exert in public life. Probably not to the satisfaction of a good social scientist. But you cannot tell me the majority of Ukrainians think neo?Nazis represent them or that the bellowing professions of nationalism coming from these people have anything to do with Ukraine as a nation in any serious, civilized sense. > > Julia Kristeva, the Bulgarian?French psychoanalyst, wrote a book back in the early post?Cold War Years called Nations Without Nationalism, an argument for tolerance and acceptance of the otherness of the Others among us. In my reading of the Ukrainian majority, this is the kind of nation to which they aspire, this the nation they voted for in 2019. There is no indication whatsoever that they were then or are now on for an ultranationalist freak show featuring deluded Nazi sympathizers in influential places and on the front lines of a war they did not want. > > It makes me think we have to consider Ukraine?s extreme-right factions in terms of ?Nationalism Without a Nation,? because they are not at all interested in Ukraine as a serious nation just as they are not interested in the majority of Ukrainians. Their compulsive preoccupations are with ideological purity, with their derivative notions of a world divided between master and slave races, and with waging the cosmic confrontation between the two. > > Ukrainian nationalism is rooted centuries back in history, but in its modern manifestation dates to the final months of the First World War. Ukraine declared itself independent in January 1918, 11 months before the Armistice, three months after the October Revolution, but what is now Ukraine was soon divided between Poland, which took the western provinces, and, the eastern provinces, the new Soviet Union. The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, the OUN, the first of numerous violent far-right groups, was founded in 1929. As is well-known, a lot of gruesome history followed?the famine Stalin induced in the 1930s, the slaughters of Jews, division among Ukrainians between those who sided with the Red Army against the Nazi regime during World War II and those who fought with the Nazis against the Red Army. > > The ideology of present-day Ukrainian nationalists dates to the interwar years. Stepan Bandera, the murderous, anti-Semitic, anti?Russian, and anti-much else, emerged in the early 1940s by way of a split?what would these kinds of movements do without splits, more splits, and splits within splits??in the OUN. Bandera is, of course, much glorified by Ukrainian fanatics today. We have seen Bandera?s portrait hanging in the offices of government officials and on banners held aloft during freakish, Klan-like processions through Kyiv, just as we have seen the Wolfsangel and the Schwarze Sonne on the shoulder patches of Ukrainian troops. > > Dmitry Plotnikov, a Russian who writes about the histories of former Soviet republics and publishes widely at home and abroad, singles out a 20th century ideologue named Dmitry Dontsov to explain the specific origins of the 21st century version of Ukrainian nationalism as we have it (even if we cannot read much about it). Dontsov preached an ideology of ?integral nationalism,? drawing heavily from Mussolini and other Italian Fascists. He also equated nation and race?wrong times 10 to any civilized human being?and handed down the thought that Ukrainians are a master race locked in battle with Russians, a slave race. Neither Ukrainians nor Russians, of course, are by any stretch a race. > > Iron discipline, limitless sacrifice, violence as purification, the supremacy of a chosen avant-garde, the totalized remaking of the individual personality, the worthlessness and dispensability of all nonbelievers: All of this has carried over into contemporary Ukraine, all of it shot through with a fanatical fervor bordering on religious belief. But history, xenophobia, hatred of others, politics, military strategy, a desire for power, or other such discernible factors cannot explain the phenomenon of Ukrainian nationalism?not by themselves. We have to look more deeply to come to a useful understanding. We have to think of a pathology, a collective pathology. > > Some months ago one of my editors advised me to read Erich Fromm?s Escape From Freedom. We had been discussing a phenomenon I have already mentioned, the extraordinary tendency among Americans to believe anything those in authority tell them, however hollow or preposterous or transparently untrue. It comes down to a need to submit, to repudiate individual responsibility. So it is a psychological question. > > Fromm?s book is pertinent to this tendency among Americans. But it is all the more so as we try to understand the Azov Battalion, Right Sektor, Svoboda, and all their extremist ideological colleagues. Fromm, the German psychoanalyst associated early in his career with the Frankfurt School, wrote Escape from Freedom, in English in 1941, to explain the rise of the Nazi Reich and Italian Fascism. I can hardly overstate the book?s usefulness as we address our questions: Who are these people and what do we mean by ?Ukrainian nationalism?? > > Naziism and Fascism arose amid collapsing social orders. Such interims leave those in such societies unmoored, with nothing to hold onto. Social and political structures that had previously given life meaning and each person a place in a larger community no longer gave people either. Social isolation was the common condition. There was nothing to which people could belong. All this gave people what Fromm calls ?freedom from??freedom from old constraints, customs, orthodoxies, forms of oppression, what have you. But then came the need to act, Fromm?s ?freedom to,? meaning freedom to do new things?in short to be individually responsible. This is the freedom, in Fromm?s very credible case, Germans and Italians of the post-Great War decades found fearful. > > Escaping this freedom can take many forms. In one way or another there is always a search for a new authority to which people who feel themselves adrift can submit. In the American case, an empire on its back foot and a social and political system in advanced decay push people into a state of denial, which manifests as submitting to authorities?political, administrative, informational, the authority emanating from a television screen or a front page?even as the credibility of these authorities collapses. This is a topic worth more comment, and I will leave it for another time. > > The Ukrainian case?and note once again its origin in the disorder of the interwar years?seems to me uncannily similar to the earlier German and Italian experiences. For the believers, there is the same desire to create and submit to a new order provided by an ideology that serves all the functions, psychoanalytically speaking, of the old order: One has a place in it, one is once again anchored, one has a system that explains all worldly events in an apparently coherent fashion. To submit in this way renders the individual once again unfree?not responsible to himself or herself but to a new system of authority that mandates everything in life?what to think, what to believe, what to do, who to glorify and despise, and so on. > > I have been much given to social-psychological analyses of this kind since my days as a correspondent in Southeast Asia. There was no understanding those societies without grasping what their people were and were not psychologically ready for. But there is a danger here, as I was sometimes warned and that must now be noted. We can never dismiss the importance of history and politics to the direction a given society takes. But while mindful of this mistake, I am with Fromm: ?Man is not only made by history,? he wrote at the beginning of his book. ?History is made by man.? Psychological wounds, needs, and drives, in other words, cannot be ignored as we understand the political and social events that give newspapers their daily headlines?or that newspapers refuse to report, I ought to add. > > This is where I come out on the neo?Nazi presence in Ukraine and the professions of nationalism emanating not only from the ultraright but often enough from the regime itself. I do not doubt their will to power, that they are in their war with Russia to win it. But the project is not to build a nation: Ultranationalist elements have done diabolically well tearing apart what remains of one. When, not long after he was elected and before he had caved to the Americans, Zelensky went to the front line while the Ukrainian forces were bombarding their Russian-speaking countrymen in the eastern provinces, ultraright officers threatened to lynch him when he ordered them to stop the shelling. Whereupon Zelensky stepped back and the bombardments went on for many years. What does this tell us? These people have no interest in making a nation of Ukraine or serving a democratic citizenry. They have no idea of any such responsibility and no thought of assuming one. The project is to submit to an ideology that prominently features violence and a consuming hatred of others. War becomes the perfect ?duty,? the thing one must do, the pure expression of the authoritarianism to which they are dedicated. > > This is my ?nationalists without a nation.? To take at face value what Ukraine presents of itself, and the reproduction of this presentation by American officials and in American media, is merely another form of submission, nothing more. > > Subscribe to our weekly newsletter > > * indicates required > Email Address * > > > > > > Patrick Lawrence > Patrick Lawrence, a correspondent abroad for many years, chiefly for the International Herald Tribune, is a media critic, essayist, author and lecturer. His most recent book is Time No Longer: Americans After the American Century. His web site is Patrick Lawrence. Support his work via his Patreon site. His Twitter account, @thefloutist, has been permanently censored without explanation. > > Author Site > > ScheerPost.com is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International license. CC-BY-NC-ND only applies to ORIGINAL ScheerPost content. > > Comment > Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from scheerpost.com. > Change your email settings at manage subscriptions. > Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: > https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/01/patrick-lawrence-the-pathology-of-ukrainian-nationalism/ > Powered by WordPress.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Fri Feb 3 02:45:58 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2023 20:45:58 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Kim Iversen interviewed Congressional heckler, anti-war message via Dore on Carlson Message-ID: https://rumble.com/v284nw8-political-showdown-biden-vs-desantis-woke-al-marching-to-ww3-and-hunter-bid.html features Kim Iversen's interview with Jose Vega (starts at 14m40s) including a clip of Vega yelling at AOC for her pro-war vote which brings us all a little closer to nuclear war with Russia. Related: https://rumble.com/v281ss0-jimmy-dore-brings-anti-war-message-to-fox-news.html -- Jimmy Dore covering his segment on Tucker Carlson. https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1620623541581512704 (among multiple others citing the same recent Jimmy Dore appearance on Tucker Carlson), quoting Dore: > "This is what we were supposed to be afraid of with Donald Trump, right? He's a > crazy man with his finger on the nuclear button. And, now we have 'Demented Joe' > sabar rattling with two nuclear powers." Tucker Carlson Tonight bested his competition in the TV ratings: https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/wednesday-feb-1-scoreboard-tucker-carlson-tonight-hannity-average-most-adults-25-54-on-cable-news/523466/ wrote: > Wednesday, Feb. 1 Scoreboard: Tucker Carlson Tonight, Hannity Average Most Adults > 25-54 on Cable News Carlson is (according to adweek.com) clearly leading in "25-54 Demographic (Live+SD x 1,000)" -- 426 for Carlson with MSNBC's Hayes coming in a distant second at 135 -- and "Total Viewers (Live+SD x 1,000)" -- 3.007 for Carlson versus 1.242 for Hayes. From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Feb 5 23:34:23 2023 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 17:34:23 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] a-panicked-empire-tries-to-make-russia-an-offer-it-cant-refuse Message-ID: https://thecradle.co/article-view/20878/a-panicked-empire-tries-to-make-russia-an-offer-it-cant-refuse From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Feb 6 02:44:28 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 20:44:28 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] DOES UKRAINE NEED NOTHING BUT WEAPONS? In-Reply-To: <1677487522.524820.1674958428021@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1458686656.130699.1674793008871.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1458686656.130699.1674793008871@mail.yahoo.com> <2082751923.522930.1674957902539@mail.yahoo.com> <1677487522.524820.1674958428021@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: moboct1--- via Peace-discuss wrote: > YOU'D THINK UKRAINIANS AT THIS STAGE WOULD TELL ZELENSKY TO QUIT TAKING ORDERS > FROM UNCLE JOE & THE PENTAGON AND NEGOTIATE WITH RUSSIA, AS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE > BEFORE WAR STARTED. DO UKRAINIANS REALLY THINK DESTRUCTION OF THEIR COUNTRY, > DEVASTATING SACRIFICE OF UKRAINIAN LIVES AND CONTINUATION OF ENDLESS WAR IS WORTH > PURSUING THE PENTAGON'S PROXY WAR WITH RUSSIA? Perhaps Ukrainians are aware that Zelensky is a puppet who isn't making any real decisions (including the sacrifice of their country). NATO countries and the neo-nazis in the Ukraine military tell Zelensky to never seek peace with Russia or else Zelensky will be killed. I imagine that it doesn't take many people to tell Zelensky this and that the message will stick. Zelensky, I imagine, obeys because he knows that the threat is serious and he'll be replaced if he is deemed to be not up to the task. From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Feb 6 02:44:32 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 20:44:32 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] "An Inevitable War" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60d9f7d9-db33-c428-2c0a-05642e4f14d8@forestfield.org> C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > http://theislander.eu/ Relatedly: Israeli ex-PM confirmed ?peace had no chance? in Ukraine ? reporter https://rumble.com/v28gngy-israeli-ex-pm-confirmed-peace-had-no-chance-in-ukraine-reporter.html From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Feb 6 05:14:58 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 23:14:58 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] List of links of interest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9855980e-3ec3-f750-7956-c1bde7d865c2@forestfield.org> I wrote: > RT > > Special mention on the 20th anniversary of the US/UK-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 > https://www.rt.com/news/570557-iraq-and-big-american-lie/ and a worthy addition also from RT: Fabricated war: 20 years on from Colin Powell's lies at UN on Iraq WMDs https://rumble.com/v28eppk-fabricated-war-20-years-on-from-colin-powells-lies-at-un-on-iraq-wmds.html including: * former US Sec. of State Colin Powell's excuse for his January 2003 lecture of lies where he later said that he relied on "the best information that the Central Intelligence Agency made available" to him. He paid no real price for that "blot" on his career (as he would later say in a September 2005 TV interview). Powell died aged 84 on October 18, 2021. * former British Prime Minister Tony Blair's July 2016 speech where he said "I did not mislead this country. I made the decision in good faith I had at the time. And I believe that it is better that we took that decision...". Today Blair is alive and promoting a digital identity-based scheme. It seems that he too has met with no real punishment for his role in getting that invasion and occupation going. From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Feb 9 06:58:23 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 00:58:23 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Seymour Hersh on "How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline" Message-ID: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream Related coverage: RT: https://rumble.com/v28s1tq-us-behind-nord-stream-sabotage-legendary-nyt-journalist.html Common Dreams: https://www.commondreams.org/news/seymour-hersh-nord-stream Aaron Mat?: https://mate.substack.com/p/seymour-hersh-reveals-how-the-us From jbn at forestfield.org Fri Feb 10 03:21:31 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 21:21:31 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Seymour Hersh on "How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0379fb06-99ed-a19d-faf3-da022bb040ba@forestfield.org> I wrote: > https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream Tonight's episode of the Kim Iversen Show -- https://rumble.com/v28ydm8-sabotage-the-plot-to-blow-up-pipelines-and-the-plot-against-james-okeefe.html -- had reaction from former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter. Ritter was interviewed by Tara Reade who sat in for Kim Iversen while Iversen was traveling. Ritter also announced that he won't be speaking at the upcoming "Rage Against the War Machine" anti-war event (https://rageagainstwar.com/ on 2023-02-19). From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Feb 12 19:20:05 2023 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:20:05 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Realistic assessment of US proxy war against Russia Message-ID: <6E3B2FCB-4D7D-4963-B591-29241848EE87@newsfromneptune.com> https://www.theamericanconservative.com/this-time-its-different/ From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Feb 20 00:46:54 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:46:54 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Consortium_News_on_Seymour_Hersh=27s_e?= =?utf-8?q?xpos=C3=A9_on_=22How_America_Took_Out_The_Nord_Stream_Pipeline?= =?utf-8?q?=22=2C_latest_Assange_award_=26_speeches_in_Assange=27s_defense?= Message-ID: <36512411-cd66-58e1-47fa-96e953f7c476@forestfield.org> Consortium News interviews Seymour Hersh on "How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline" -- https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream https://youtube.com/watch?v=4wI38E9bJzk Ray McGovern Analyses Sy Hersh Report on Blowing Up Nord Stream https://youtube.com/watch?v=j5ppBllPfT0 Assange wins Gavin MacFayden Whistleblowers Award - with Jeremy Corbyn & Craig Murray https://youtube.com/watch?v=hv5NuPTe77k I'll note that Assange is winning (earning) another award here. Assange has won many other awards that (if it needed any shoring up) secures his position as a journalist extraordinaire and helps point out what a sham the US case against Assange continues to be. Recent speeches in defense of Julian Assange Jeremy Corbyn, member of UK Parliament https://youtube.com/watch?v=j7WYxJmlYnU Kristinn Hrafnsson, current WikiLeaks Editor-in-Chief https://youtube.com/watch?v=PifpSJFGgsg Stella Assange, Julian Assange's wife and former lawyer https://youtube.com/watch?v=UV3I_m5B0Wg From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Feb 20 02:22:09 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:22:09 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Democracy Now interviewed Seymour Hersh, didn't talk about "Rage Against the War Machine" anti-war demo but RT did Message-ID: Democracy Now interviewed Sy Hersh on his article "How America Took Out the Nord Stream Pipeline" https://www.democracynow.org/2023/2/15/nord_stream_sy_hersh But https://www.democracynow.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=rage+against+the+war+machine&commit=Search currently returns no hits from 2023. Perhaps something will be said and shown this week. Meanwhile, RT had a couple of segments on this anti-war rally uploaded to Rumble -- https://rumble.com/c/RTNews -- where the channel can still distribute videos (Rumble is eating YouTube's lunch): Former CIA Analyst, host of Sputnik's "The Whistleblowers" John Kiriakou's response and some live footage from on the scene in Washington, D.C. on 2023-02-19 while the rally took place https://rumble.com/v2a41b4-rage-against-the-war-machine-rally-takes-place-in-washington-dc.html Lionel's (RT media analyst) response to the rally and coverage of the rally https://rumble.com/v2a4c2a-thousands-gather-for-rage-against-the-war-machine-demo-in-washington-dc.html Aaron Mat? has been hosting The Jimmy Dore Show this past week and will host this coming week. He's been doing excellent coverage, I recommend watching the segments or live show. Find them all on https://rumble.com/c/TheJimmyDoreShow -- live shows are usually Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays at around 5PM Central and each live shows is linked to on https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore shortly before going live. From jbn at forestfield.org Tue Feb 21 01:03:12 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 19:03:12 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Democracy Now interviewed Seymour Hersh, didn't talk about "Rage Against the War Machine" anti-war demo but RT did In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wrote: > But > https://www.democracynow.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=rage+against+the+war+machine&commit=Search > currently returns no hits from 2023. Perhaps something will be said and shown this week. It turns out that https://www.democracynow.org/2023/2/20/biden_kyiv_visit_russia_ukraine_war contains the one sentence that is DN's entire coverage of Sunday's "Rage Against the War Machine" anti-war demonstration. This coverage is so short, Aaron Mat? (who is covering for Jimmy Dore this week) just played the entirety of DN's coverage. Here is what Amy Goodman said: > AMY GOODMAN: Sunday in Washington, D.C., there was also a Rage Against the War > Machine protest at the Lincoln Memorial, where former Green Party presidential > candidate Jill Stein and others spoke. That's it. One sentence. Less than 10 seconds to read aloud. It's hard to conclude that Amy Goodman is different than the pro-establishment programs that DN competes with (CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, NBC, PBS, New York Times, Washington Post, etc.). This was followed by: 1) an interview/debate with pro-war Matt Duss (as Aaron Mat? has covered and debunked before on The Jimmy Dore Show) and, 2) Medea Benjamin of Code Pink for Peace who did not go to the anti-war demonstration over some disagreement with one or more of the speakers at that rally. There's a further explanation (naming & shaming) those who call themselves anti-war but didn't go in tonight's Jimmy Dore Show, segments will appear on Rumble.com tomorrow. Benjamin called out a lie Duss tried to pass on in this interview but the three did not get into why Benjamin wasn't at that rally. https://rumble.com/v2a8i3y-bidens-surprise-visit-to-kiev-white-house-denies-nord-stream-allegations-w-.html is live now. From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Feb 22 00:05:53 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 18:05:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Max Blumenthal on who claims to be anti-war but didn't attend the 2023 "Rage Against the War Machine" demonstration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1743d986-ce5e-f0a7-c036-41f037e112bf@forestfield.org> I wrote: > 2) Medea Benjamin of Code Pink for Peace who did not go to the anti-war demonstration > over some disagreement with one or more of the speakers at that rally. There's a > further explanation (naming & shaming) those who call themselves anti-war but didn't > go in tonight's Jimmy Dore Show, segments will appear on Rumble.com tomorrow. > Benjamin called out a lie Duss tried to pass on in this interview but the three did > not get into why Benjamin wasn't at that rally. Correction: I was mistaken about Medea Benjamin not being at the 2023-02-19 "Rage Against the War Machine" demonstration -- she was there but I found no recording of her talking and Max Blumenthal (who did speak) said that she was backstage. That would explain why I haven't yet seen footage of her there. From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Feb 22 04:36:14 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 22:36:14 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Whom do you endorse demonstrating with in order to help stop nuclear war? Message-ID: * Kim Iversen interviewed Chris Hedges in https://rumble.com/v29uevs-anti-war-activist-infighting-reaches-boiling-point-evidence-us-assassinated.html and around 21m43s she said: > Kim Iversen: That really needs to be where that line is -- people need to just > say, "Look, I'm gonna look through the platform of what this particular rally is > for [moving her hands as if reviewing a checklist of points] I agree, I agree, I > agree, I agree, okay then why not show up? You know, just because you maybe don't > like some of the people who are going to be there. If they include, because it's > some different group that's organizing, if it includes something you don't agree > with then you can say "I cannot support this rally because it has this particular > platform piece on it that I don't agree with". That's fair enough, right? I think > that's fair, just like you say in the piece > [https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/12/chris-hedges-there-are-no-permanent-allies-only-permanent-power/] > there are red lines. You don't have to [attend a rally] just because you don't > agree with 90%, if there's 10% you don't agree with, if it's bad enough then you > don't have to go. * Jimmy Dore in https://rumble.com/v2ab03g-jimmy-dore-rages-against-war-machine-at-dc-peace-rally.html starting around 11m12s in, here's an excerpt: > Jimmy Dore: I know there are some people who wouldn't show up to this peace > rally, this anti-war rally, because of some of the speakers they didn't like on > this stage [crowd audibly boos] and I get what they're saying. They're saying, > "hey, I wanna help stop nuclear war but not with those people" [crowd laughs and > applauds]. I get it, I'm the same way -- my house caught on fire a couple of > months ago. When the firemen showed up I was like "woah, woah woah. What's your > views on Social Security and Medicare?". [crowd laughs] "I mean I get that this > is a scary situation -- my house is on fire -- but first I need to get your stance > on LGBTQ and gender-affirming surgery. I know my house is burning down, but are > you vaxxed?! I need to see proof of at least one booster. I need to know what > your position is on gender-affirming surgery: what age should it start, and what's > your cutoff? And they're standing there lookin' at me like I'm fuckin' crazy! I > guess you don't get to put out my fire then, and my house is gonna burn down. I > hope you're happy. [...] You have to work with people you disagree with big time, > even sometimes people you hate, because we need each other to survive. I'm > reminded of the words of Frederick Douglass who said "I will join with anyone to > do good but with no one to do bad.". If Black Panthers can march hand-in-hand with > the KKK down Las Vegas Boulevard to get welfare payments reinstated, we can join > hands with the right-wing, the Libertarians, the Left, the Socialists, the > Communists, everybody to stop a nuclear war! And what's happening right here, at > this rally, is what scares the hell out of the establishment: everybody from the > Left, everybody from the Right, everybody from the middle coming together to > realize that we have more in common than divides us and we share a common enemy. > That enemy is the Military-Industrial Complex and the oligarchy. The same > oligarchy that did a controlled demolition of our economy and they want me to hate > my neighbor for the pain I'm feeling because of that because they wouldn't take a > vaccine that didn't work the way they said it did in the first fuckin' place! > Well, I'm not gonna hate my neighbor! I'm gonna love my neighbor! [...] * What Max Blumenthal described in the Jimmy Dore Show segment titled "?Boutique? Left Worked OBSESSIVELY To Undermine Anti-War Rally" (https://rumble.com/v2ab5ju-boutique-left-worked-obsessively-to-undermine-anti-war-rally.html) where guest host Aaron Mat? and Max Blumenthal discussed who was not supporting and/or undermining the recent anti-war rally. Mat? & Blumenthal named and shamed Amy Goodman of Democracy Now who gave a shamefully short coverage of the rally with no correspondent at the rally, Blumenthal talked about how Code PINK for Justice opposed the rally on specious grounds, and that the ANSWER Coalition is trying to stage a upcoming competing rally built around vague inactionable goals instead. Max Blumenthal said that Medea Benjamin was "backstage with us at the rally, she was fully in support of it" but "one Code PINK staffer after another, these kind of millennial professional left types, NGO types, would say that they didn't feel safe at the rally as a Muslim or as a gay person so she [Medea Benjamin] couldn't participate." (19m40s). There was no reason for anyone to feel unsafe; no reports of any problems have come up and there were not even speakers saying things where they objected to Muslims or non-heterosexuals. * Chris Hedges wrote in https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/12/chris-hedges-there-are-no-permanent-allies-only-permanent-power/ > ?The left has become largely irrelevant in the U.S. because it is incapable of > working with the right,? said Nick Brana[1], chair of The People?s Party[2], > which organized[3] the rally with libertarians. ?It clings to identity politics > over jobs, health care, wages and war, and condemns half the country as > deplorables.? > > We will not topple corporate power and the war machine alone. There has to be a > left-right coalition, which will include people whose opinions are not only > unpalatable but even repugnant, or we will remain marginalized and ineffectual. > This is a fact of political life. Alliances are built around particular issues, > in this case permanent war, which often fall apart when confronting other > concerns. If I had organized the rally, there are some speakers I would not have > invited. But I didn?t. This does not mean that there are no red lines: I would not > join a protest that included neo-Nazi groups such as Aryan Nations or militias > such as The Proud Boys or Oath Keepers. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_3nR0NmUW8 [2] https://peoplesparty.org/ [3] https://rageagainstwar.com/#Coalition Kim Iversen in https://rumble.com/v29uevs-anti-war-activist-infighting-reaches-boiling-point-evidence-us-assassinated.html covered this issue and interviewed Chris Hedges about this. Hedges rightly identified the objections to this recent rally as being "about woke culture" and how ineffective such people are at organizing people. Hedges went on quite consistently and agreeably for most of the interview. At 19m17s in the clip, Iversen asked about the above quote ("This does not mean that there are no red lines: I would not join a protest that included neo-Nazi groups such as Aryan Nations or militias such as The Proud Boys or Oath Keepers.") and Hedges drew a line at organizing versus attending -- "showing up". Hedges said everyone was allowed to attend but he would not join a rally organized by the groups he listed because, "The central tenets of those organizations are one: they embrace violence, which I don't, but often that's racialized violence. And if they wanna show up to this rally they're more than welcome if they want to embrace those particular points you read out, all of which I support.". * Max Blumenthal interviewed Medea Benjamin about 5 months prior to Sunday's rally (that interview is shown in https://youtube.com/watch?v=_n1M0ucV5II). About 2m into that interview: > Max Blumenthal: Do you think it's possible to work with 'America First' > Republicans, I mean are they the opposition on this specific issue? Is it > possible to have a coalition with them? > > Medea Benjamin: [shook her head 'no' as Blumenthal spoke] Well, they're the > uh... When you look at the reasons they voted against this [funding war with > Russia via Ukraine] there's all kinds of weird reasons that I don't feel > comfortable being in the same coalition with people who say that the problem in > this country is immigrants, that they're not in favor of using this money instead > of war to address the climate and they don't agree that there's a climate crisis. > I think what we have to do is build up the opposition from the progressive > community -- from those who care about the climate crisis and see that war is > actually fueling that crisis. [...] From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 06:29:38 2023 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 00:29:38 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Whom do you endorse demonstrating with in order to help stop nuclear war? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <821b7d04-b6bd-9e06-496f-812a27326c06@gmail.com> I think this gives an unfair impression of Medea Benjamin's stance. During the Feb 20th Democracy Now interview, she is clearly supportive of a broader antiwar coalition, including people she wouldn't agree with on other questions, and makes it plain that not speaking at the weekend rally had not been her own choice: > The issue of yesterday?s march, a rally and then a march to the White > House, it was fascinating, Amy. I?ve never been at an antiwar rally > like that. My organization, CodePink, didn?t want me to speak there, > because they didn?t like a number of the speakers and their positions > on other issues. But when have we ever had an antiwar march that > brought together Ron Paul, Tulsi Gabbard, Jill Stein, Dennis Kucinich, > people from very different political perspectives? And there is > another march coming up on March 18th, which a different set of groups > is putting together. I think we have to be at every antiwar march. And > I?m also excited that on Tuesday we?re having a lobby day in Congress, > inviting people of all political persuasions to come meet us in the > Rayburn Building and go to the offices of every member of the Armed > Services Committee in Congress to say, ?Enough weapons. Stop sending > weapons. Start negotiating. Stop escalating. Start negotiating.? This > is the message I think now that more and more American people want us > to take to Congress, which has done nothing but supply billions and > billions of weapons to keep this war going, when there is no winning > on the battlefield. On 2/21/23 22:36, J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss wrote: > * Kim Iversen interviewed Chris Hedges in > https://rumble.com/v29uevs-anti-war-activist-infighting-reaches-boiling-point-evidence-us-assassinated.html > and around 21m43s she said: > >> Kim Iversen: That really needs to be where that line is -- people >> need to just >> say, "Look, I'm gonna look through the platform of what this >> particular rally is >> for [moving her hands as if reviewing a checklist of points] I agree, >> I agree, I >> agree, I agree, okay then why not show up? You know, just because you >> maybe don't >> like some of the people who are going to be there. If they include, >> because it's >> some different group that's organizing, if it includes something you >> don't agree >> with then you can say "I cannot support this rally because it has >> this particular >> platform piece on it that I don't agree with". That's fair enough, >> right? I think >> that's fair, just like you say in the piece >> [https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/12/chris-hedges-there-are-no-permanent-allies-only-permanent-power/] >> >> there are red lines. You don't have to [attend a rally] just because >> you don't >> agree with 90%, if there's 10% you don't agree with, if it's bad >> enough then you >> don't have to go. > > > * Jimmy Dore in > https://rumble.com/v2ab03g-jimmy-dore-rages-against-war-machine-at-dc-peace-rally.html > starting around 11m12s in, here's an excerpt: > >> Jimmy Dore: I know there are some people who wouldn't show up to this >> peace >> rally, this anti-war rally, because of some of the speakers they >> didn't like on >> this stage [crowd audibly boos] and I get what they're saying. >> They're saying, >> "hey, I wanna help stop nuclear war but not with those people" [crowd >> laughs and applauds]. I get it, I'm the same way -- my house caught >> on fire a couple of months ago. When the firemen showed up I was like >> "woah, woah woah. What's your views on Social Security and >> Medicare?". [crowd laughs] "I mean I get that this >> is a scary situation -- my house is on fire -- but first I need to >> get your stance >> on LGBTQ and gender-affirming surgery. I know my house is burning >> down, but are >> you vaxxed?! I need to see proof of at least one booster. I need to >> know what >> your position is on gender-affirming surgery: what age should it >> start, and what's >> your cutoff? And they're standing there lookin' at me like I'm >> fuckin' crazy! I >> guess you don't get to put out my fire then, and my house is gonna >> burn down. I >> hope you're happy. [...] You have to work with people you disagree >> with big time, >> even sometimes people you hate, because we need each other to >> survive. I'm >> reminded of the words of Frederick Douglass who said "I will join >> with anyone to >> do good but with no one to do bad.". If Black Panthers can march >> hand-in-hand with >> the KKK down Las Vegas Boulevard to get welfare payments reinstated, >> we can join >> hands with the right-wing, the Libertarians, the Left, the >> Socialists, the >> Communists, everybody to stop a nuclear war! And what's happening >> right here, at >> this rally, is what scares the hell out of the establishment: >> everybody from the >> Left, everybody from the Right, everybody from the middle coming >> together to >> realize that we have more in common than divides us and we share a >> common enemy. >> That enemy is the Military-Industrial Complex and the oligarchy. The >> same >> oligarchy that did a controlled demolition of our economy and they >> want me to hate >> my neighbor for the pain I'm feeling because of that because they >> wouldn't take a vaccine that didn't work the way they said it did in >> the first fuckin' place! Well, I'm not gonna hate my neighbor! I'm >> gonna love my neighbor! [...] > > > > * What Max Blumenthal described in the Jimmy Dore Show segment titled > "?Boutique? Left Worked OBSESSIVELY To Undermine Anti-War Rally" > (https://rumble.com/v2ab5ju-boutique-left-worked-obsessively-to-undermine-anti-war-rally.html) > where guest host Aaron Mat? and Max Blumenthal discussed who was not > supporting and/or undermining the recent anti-war rally. > > Mat? & Blumenthal named and shamed Amy Goodman of Democracy Now who > gave a shamefully short coverage of the rally with no correspondent at > the rally, Blumenthal talked about how Code PINK for Justice opposed > the rally on specious grounds, and that the ANSWER Coalition is trying > to stage a upcoming competing rally built around vague inactionable > goals instead. > > Max Blumenthal said that Medea Benjamin was "backstage with us at the > rally, she was fully in support of it" but "one Code PINK staffer > after another, these kind of millennial professional left types, NGO > types, would say that they didn't feel safe at the rally as a Muslim > or as a gay person so she [Medea Benjamin] couldn't participate." > (19m40s). There was no reason for anyone to feel unsafe; no reports of > any problems have come up and there were not even speakers saying > things where they objected to Muslims or non-heterosexuals. > > > > * Chris Hedges wrote in > https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/12/chris-hedges-there-are-no-permanent-allies-only-permanent-power/ > >> ?The left has become largely irrelevant in the U.S. because it is >> incapable of working with the right,? said Nick Brana[1], chair of >> The People?s Party[2], >> which organized[3] the rally with libertarians. ?It clings to >> identity politics >> over jobs, health care, wages and war, and condemns half the country as >> deplorables.? >> >> We will not topple corporate power and the war machine alone. There >> has to be a left-right coalition, which will include people whose >> opinions are not only unpalatable but even repugnant, or we will >> remain marginalized and ineffectual. This is a fact of political >> life. Alliances are built around particular issues, >> in this case permanent war, which often fall apart when confronting >> other >> concerns. If I had organized the rally, there are some speakers I >> would not have >> invited. But I didn?t. This does not mean that there are no red >> lines: I would not >> join a protest that included neo-Nazi groups such as Aryan Nations or >> militias >> such as The Proud Boys or Oath Keepers. > > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_3nR0NmUW8 > [2] https://peoplesparty.org/ > [3] https://rageagainstwar.com/#Coalition > > Kim Iversen in > https://rumble.com/v29uevs-anti-war-activist-infighting-reaches-boiling-point-evidence-us-assassinated.html > covered this issue and interviewed Chris Hedges about this. Hedges > rightly identified the objections to this recent rally as being "about > woke culture" and how ineffective such people are at organizing > people. Hedges went on quite consistently and agreeably for most of > the interview. > > At 19m17s in the clip, Iversen asked about the above quote ("This does > not mean that there are no red lines: I would not join a protest that > included neo-Nazi groups such as Aryan Nations or militias such as The > Proud Boys or Oath Keepers.") and Hedges drew a line at organizing > versus attending -- "showing up". Hedges said everyone was allowed to > attend but he would not join a rally organized by the groups he listed > because, "The central tenets of those organizations are one: they > embrace violence, which I don't, but often that's racialized violence. > And if they wanna show up to this rally they're more than welcome if > they want to embrace those particular points you read out, all of > which I support.". > > > > * Max Blumenthal interviewed Medea Benjamin about 5 months prior to > Sunday's rally (that interview is shown in > https://youtube.com/watch?v=_n1M0ucV5II). About 2m into that interview: > >> Max Blumenthal: Do you think it's possible to work with 'America >> First' Republicans, I mean are they the opposition on this specific >> issue? Is it >> possible to have a coalition with them? >> >> Medea Benjamin: [shook her head 'no' as Blumenthal spoke] Well, >> they're the uh... When you look at the reasons they voted against >> this [funding war with Russia via Ukraine] there's all kinds of weird >> reasons that I don't feel comfortable being in the same coalition >> with people who say that the problem in this country is immigrants, >> that they're not in favor of using this money instead of war to >> address the climate and they don't agree that there's a climate >> crisis. I think what we have to do is build up the opposition from >> the progressive community -- from those who care about the climate >> crisis and see that war is actually fueling that crisis. 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Mearsheimer on Ukraine crisis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4s7T-TLp6k Published on 2023-02-22 From moboct1 at aol.com Fri Feb 24 14:57:12 2023 From: moboct1 at aol.com (moboct1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2023 14:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] UNAWC (United National Antiwar Coalition) webinar: Scott Ritter & Margaret Kimberly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <517409504.245219.1677250632062@mail.yahoo.com> This morning (Feb 24 - "one year out" I woke up at 5 am with NPR news (my usual rude wake-up signal) marking the first year since the Russian "unprovoked" invasion ot Ukraine (straight from the master spin-doctors CIA).? Below is the link to hear an anternative discussion of this unfortunate anniversary: #yiv6181601307 html, #yiv6181601307 body{font-family:"Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;}#yiv6181601307 .yiv6181601307custom_logo {margin:0 auto;max-width:640px;}#yiv6181601307 .yiv6181601307img-responsive {display:block;height:auto;max-height:200px;}#yiv6181601307 .yiv6181601307custom_image {float:right;margin:10px 0 10px 10px;max-width:100px;}#yiv6181601307 .yiv6181601307cssTab{margin-left:24px;} | | | ? | | Here is the video of the webinar. Please feel free to share it with your friends and contacts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb7qkfdqMcI | | ? | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Feb 25 01:04:56 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2023 19:04:56 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Current_and_upcoming_videos_of_interes?= =?utf-8?q?t_for_anti-war_discussion_=28Jimmy_Dore=2C_Aaron_Mat=C3=A9=2C_S?= =?utf-8?q?eymour_Hersh=29?= Message-ID: <5194df63-2561-389f-dacb-c14e137bb297@forestfield.org> Jimmy Dore was on Tucker Carlson tonight. That segment might show up on https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlTLHnxSVuIzrARlmz9oCfQEF08UV-v-E and that means more anti-war talk in front of the country on a watched program (Tucker Carlson is the most watched news and opinion show in his timeslot). Aaron Mat? did an excellent job guest hosting Jimmy Dore Show this week and last week. I'm not sure which Jimmy Dore Show clips will get censored on YouTube so I'll recommend catching up on those segments on https://rumble.com/c/TheJimmyDoreShow instead. Clips from tonight's show should appear there soon. Seymour Hersh's interview will run on Going Underground on Saturday. The clip should show up on https://rumble.com/user/GoingUndergroundTV soon. Jimmy Dore was recently interviewed on Going Underground and his segment (https://rumble.com/v29x6ae-jimmy-dore-on-russia-vs-nato-the-us-war-machine-is-out-of-control-the-usa-a.html) is online. From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Feb 25 22:45:49 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 16:45:49 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Current_and_upcoming_videos_of_interes?= =?utf-8?q?t_for_anti-war_discussion_=28Jimmy_Dore=2C_Aaron_Mat=C3=A9=2C_S?= =?utf-8?q?eymour_Hersh=29?= In-Reply-To: <5194df63-2561-389f-dacb-c14e137bb297@forestfield.org> References: <5194df63-2561-389f-dacb-c14e137bb297@forestfield.org> Message-ID: I wrote: > Aaron Mat? did an excellent job guest hosting Jimmy Dore Show this week and last > week. I'm not sure which Jimmy Dore Show clips will get censored on YouTube so I'll > recommend catching up on those segments on https://rumble.com/c/TheJimmyDoreShow > instead. Clips from tonight's show should appear there soon. Those clips have been posted and are now on https://rumble.com/c/TheJimmyDoreShow . Some clips are particularly worth noting: * MSNBC Accidentally Tells Truth In Report On Anti-War Rally -- https://rumble.com/v2av7v6-msnbc-accidentally-tells-truth-in-report-on-anti-war-rally.html -- This clip is interesting not only because it shows MSNBC doing good reporting on the Rage Against the War anti-war rally from a week ago, but because it also shows the entire 9 second coverage Democracy Now gave for the same rally. I didn't think MSNBC would end up doing a better job reporting on an anti-war rally than DN. This clip really puts a fine point on how far DN has fallen. * Zelensky Was Threatened w/ DEATH If He Negotiated With Russia -- https://rumble.com/v2av7r0-zelensky-was-threatened-w-death-if-he-negotiated-with-russia.html * ?I Won?t Investigate Nord Stream Attack? ? Dem Leader Hakeem Jeffries -- https://rumble.com/v2av7p2-i-wont-investigate-nord-stream-attack-dem-leader-hakeem-jeffries.html -- gives further evidence to what Glenn Greenwald has also pointed out on his show System Update. Rep. Hakeem Jeffries is an establishment proponent despite whatever identity politics qualifications were used to advocate on his behalf. > Seymour Hersh's interview will run on Going Underground on Saturday. The clip should > show up on https://rumble.com/user/GoingUndergroundTV soon. https://rumble.com/v2atfik-seymour-hersh-on-why-us-blew-up-the-nordstreams-compares-his-source-to-edwa.html is that interview. From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Feb 26 19:39:53 2023 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 13:39:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] CGTN: Exclusive interview with Prof. John J. Mearsheimer on Ukraine crisis In-Reply-To: <82d1c785-5401-b214-c45c-c62d473a25cc@forestfield.org> References: <82d1c785-5401-b214-c45c-c62d473a25cc@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <1137f3bd-2b4e-f54b-b750-49ef55380c2a@forestfield.org> I wrote: > Exclusive interview with Prof. John J. Mearsheimer on Ukraine crisis > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4s7T-TLp6k and The Point: Exclusive with Prof. Jeffrey Sachs https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Lus4Kjr9ko Sachs talks about the peace plan published by China, saying that that plan "is correct". Among many other comments and analysis, Sachs also points out that: > The United States participated in the overthrow of a duly elected Constitutional > president of Ukraine in February 2014. We're actually not at the first anniversary > of this war, we're at the ninth anniversary of this war because the war started > with the overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych and then fighting broke out. Russia also > took Crimea, the fighting in the Donbass broke out, NATO, especially the United > States, sent massive amounts of armaments to Ukraine. And so we're in the ninth > year of escalation. From carl at newsfromneptune.com Mon Feb 27 03:07:00 2023 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 21:07:00 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] How US and Ukraine's far-right made pro-peace Zelensky a 'no peace' president Message-ID: https://open.substack.com/pub/mate/p/how-us-and-ukraines-far-right-made?r=692a&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web From carl at newsfromneptune.com Mon Feb 27 03:12:16 2023 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 21:12:16 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] How US and Ukraine's far-right made pro-peace Zelensky a 'no peace' president Message-ID: https://open.substack.com/pub/mate/p/how-us-and-ukraines-far-right-made?r=692a&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web From carl at newsfromneptune.com Mon Feb 27 05:33:41 2023 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 23:33:41 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [New post] Chris Hedges: The Trump-Russia Saga and the Death Spiral of American Journalism References: <174340743.35828.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: <52A718B5-3253-409B-8D73-B9B221F18A2B@newsfromneptune.com> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "scheerpost.com" > Date: February 26, 2023 at 11:02:25 PM CST > To: carl at newsfromneptune.com > Subject: [New post] Chris Hedges: The Trump-Russia Saga and the Death Spiral of American Journalism > > ? > scheerpost.com > Chris Hedges: The Trump-Russia Saga and the Death Spiral of American Journalism > Editor > Feb 26 > > De-Pressed - Mr. Fish > By Chris Hedges / Original to ScheerPost > > Reporters make mistakes. It is the nature of the trade. There are always a few stories we wish were reported more carefully. Writing on deadline with often only a few hours before publication is an imperfect art. But when mistakes occur, they must be acknowledged and publicized. To cover them up, to pretend they did not happen, destroys our credibility. Once this credibility is gone, the press becomes nothing more than an echo chamber for a selected demographic. This, unfortunately, is the model that now defines the commerical media. > > The failure to report accurately on the Trump-Russia saga for the four years of the Trump presidency is bad enough. What is worse, major media organizations, which produced thousands of stories and reports that were false, refuse to engage in a serious postmortem. The systematic failure was so egregious and widespread that it casts a very troubling shadow over the press. How do CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, The Washington Post, The New York Times and Mother Jones admit that for four years they reported salacious, unverified gossip as fact? How do they level with viewers and readers that the most basic rules of journalism were ignored to participate in a witch hunt, a virulent New McCarthyism? How do they explain to the public that their hatred for Trump led them to accuse him, for years, of activities and crimes he did not commit? How do they justify their current lack of transparency and dishonesty? It is not a pretty confession, which is why it won?t happen. The U.S. media has the lowest credibility ? 26 percent ? among 46 nations, according to a 2022 report from the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism. And with good reason. > > The commercial model of journalism has changed from when I began working as a reporter, covering conflicts in Central America in the early 1980s. In those days, there were a few large media outlets that sought to reach a broad public. I do not want to romanticize the old press. Those who reported stories that challenged the dominant narrative were targets, not only of the U.S. government but also of the hierarchies within news organizations such as The New York Times. Ray Bonner, for example, was reprimanded by the editors at The New York Times when he exposed egregious human rights violations committed by the El Salvadoran government, which the Reagan administration funded and armed. He quit shortly after being transferred to a dead-end job at the financial desk. Sydney Schanberg won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting in Cambodia on the Khmer Rouge, which was the basis for the film ?The Killing Fields.? He was subsequently appointed metropolitan editor at The New York Times where he assigned reporters to cover the homeless, the poor and those being driven from their homes and apartments by Manhattan real estate developers. The paper?s Executive Editor, Abe Rosenthal, Schanberg told me, derisively referred to him as his ?resident commie.? He terminated Schanberg?s twice-weekly column and forced him out. I saw my career at the paper end when I publicly criticized the invasion of Iraq. The career-killing campaigns against those who reported controversial stories or expressed controversial opinions was not lost on other reporters and editors who, to protect themselves, practiced self-censorship. > > Support our Independent Journalism ? Donate Today! > > SUBSCRIBE TO PATREON DONATE ON PAYPAL > But the old media, because it sought to reach a broad public, reported on events and issues that did not please all of its readers. It left a lot out, to be sure. It gave too much credibility to officialdom, but, as Schanberg told me, the old model of news arguably kept ?the swamp from getting any deeper, from rising higher.? > > The advent of digital media and the compartmentalizing of the public into antagonistic demographics has destroyed the traditional model of commercial journalism. Devastated by a loss of advertising revenue and a steep decline in viewers and readers, the commercial media has a vested interest in catering to those who remain. The approximately three and a half million digital news subscribers The New York Times gained during the Trump presidency were, internal surveys found, overwhelmingly anti-Trump. A feedback loop began where the paper fed its digital subscribers what they wanted to hear. Digital subscribers, it turns out, are also very thin-skinned. > > ?If the paper reported something that could be interpreted as supportive of Trump or not sufficiently critical of Trump,? Jeff Gerth, an investigative journalist who spent many years at The New York Times recently told me, they would sometimes ?drop their subscription or go on social media and complain about it.? > > Giving subscribers what they want makes commercial sense. However, it is not journalism. > > News organizations, whose future is digital, have at the same time filled newsrooms with those who are tech-savvy and able to attract followers on social media, even if they lack reportorial skills. Margaret Coker, the bureau chief for The New York Times in Baghdad, was fired by the newspaper?s editors in 2018, after management claimed she was responsible for its star terrorism reporter, Rukmini Callimachi, being barred from re-entering Iraq, a charge Coker consistently denied. It was well known, however, by many at the paper, that Coker filed a number of complaints about Callimachi?s work and considered Callimachi to be untrustworthy. The paper would later have to retract a highly acclaimed 12-part podcast, ?Caliphate,? hosted by Callimachi in 2018, because it was based on the testimony of an imposter. ??Caliphate? represents the modern New York Times,? Sam Dolnick, an assistant managing editor,said in announcing the launch of the podcast. The statement proved true, although in a way Dolnick probably did not anticipate. > > Gerth, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter who worked at The New York Times from 1976 until 2005, spent the last two years writing an exhaustive look at the systemic failure of the press during the Trump-Russia story, authoring a four-part series of 24,000 words that has been published by The Columbia Journalism Review. It is an important, if depressing, read. News organizations repeatedly seized on any story, he documents, no matter how unverified, to discredit Trump and routinely ignored reports that cast doubt on the rumors they presented as fact. You can see my interview with Gerth here. > > The New York Times, for example, in January 2018, ignored a publicly available document showing that the FBI?s lead investigator, after a ten month inquiry, did not find evidence of collusion between Trump and Moscow. The lie of omission was combined with reliance on sources that peddled fictions designed to cater to Trump-haters, as well as a failure to interview those being accused of collaborating with Russia. > > The Washington Post and NPR reported, incorrectly, that Trump had weakened the GOP?s stance on Ukraine in the party platform because he opposed language calling for arming Ukraine with so-called ?lethal defensive weapons? ? a position identicalto that of his predecessor President Barack Obama. These outlets ignored the platform?s support for sanctions against Russia as well its call for ?appropriate assistance to the armed forces of Ukraine and greater coordination with NATO defense planning.? News organizations amplified this charge. In a New York Times column that called Trump the ?Siberian candidate,? Paul Krugman wrote that the platform was ?watered down to blandness? by the Republican president. Jeffrey Goldberg, editor of The Atlantic, described Trump as a ?de facto agent? of Vladimir Putin. Those who tried to call out this shoddy reporting, including Russian-American journalist and Putin critic Masha Gessen were ignored. > > After Trump?s first meeting as president with Putin, he was attacked as if the meeting itself proved he was a Russian stooge. Then New York Times columnist Roger Cohen wrote of the ?disgusting spectacle of the American president kowtowing in Helsinki to Vladimir Putin.? Rachel Maddow, MSNBC?s most popular host, said that the meeting between Trump and Putin validated her covering the Trump-Russia allegations ?more than anyone else in the national press? and strongly implied ? and her show?s Twitteraccount and YouTube page explicitly stated ? that Americans were now ?coming to grips with a worst-case scenario that the U.S. president is compromised by a hostile foreign power.? > > The anti-Trump reporting, Gerth notes, hid behind the wall of anonymous sources, frequently identified as ?people (or person) familiar with? ? The New York Times used it over a thousand times in stories involving Trump and Russia, between October 2016 and the end of his presidency, Gerth found. Any rumor or smear was picked up in the news cycle with the sources often unidentified and the information unverified. > > A routine soon took shape in the Trump-Russia saga. ?First, a federal agency like the CIA or FBI secretly briefs Congress,? Gerth writes. ?Then Democrats or Republicans selectively leak snippets. Finally, the story comes out, using vague attribution.? These cherry-picked pieces of information largely distorted the conclusions of the briefings. > > The reports that Trump was a Russian asset began with the so-called Steele dossier, financed at first by Republican opponents of Trump and later by Hillary Clinton?s campaign. The charges in the dossier ? which included reports of Trump receiving a ?golden shower? from prostituted women in a Moscow hotel room and claims that Trump and the Kremlin had ties going back five years ? were discredited by the FBI. > > ?Bob Woodward, appearing on Fox News, called the dossier a ?garbage document? that ?never should have? been part of an intelligence briefing,? Gerth writes in his report. ?He later told me that the Post wasn?t interested in his harsh criticism of the dossier. After his remarks on Fox, Woodward said he ?reached out to people who covered this? at the paper, identifying them only generically as ?reporters,? to explain why he was so critical. Asked how they reacted, Woodward said: ?To be honest, there was a lack of curiosity on the part of the people at the Post about what I had said, why I said this, and I accepted that and I didn?t force it on anyone.?? > > Other reporters who exposed the fabrications ? Glenn Greenwald at The Intercept, Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone and Aaron Mate at The Nation ? ran afoul of their news organizations and now work as independent journalists. > > The New York Times and The Washington Post shared Pulitzer Prizes in 2019 for their reporting on ?Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and its connection to the Trump campaign, the President-elect?s transition team and his eventual administration.? > > The silence by news organizations that for years perpetuated this fraud is ominous. It cements into place a new media model, one without credibility or accountability. The handful of reporters who have responded to Gerth?s investigative piece, such as David Corn at Mother Jones, have doubled down on the old lies, as if the mountain of evidence discrediting their reporting, most of it coming from the FBI and the Mueller Report, does not exist. > > Once fact becomes interchangeable with opinion, once truth is irrelevant, once people are told only what they wish to hear, journalism ceases to be journalism and becomes propaganda. > > NOTE TO SCHEERPOST READERS FROM CHRIS HEDGES: There is now no way left for me to continue to write a weekly column for ScheerPost and produce my weekly television show without your help. The walls are closing in, with startling rapidity, on independent journalism, with the elites, including the Democratic Party elites, clamoring for more and more censorship. 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He is the host of show The Chris Hedges Report. > > Author Site > Comment > Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from scheerpost.com. > Change your email settings at manage subscriptions. > Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: > https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/26/chris-hedges-the-trump-russia-saga-and-the-death-spiral-of-american-journalism/ > Powered by WordPress.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Mon Feb 27 05:40:56 2023 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 23:40:56 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: How US and Ukraine's far-right made pro-peace Zelensky a 'no peace' president References: <20230226181758.3.d773da8ce1daa1e5@mg-d0.substack.com> Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Aaron Mat? from Aaron Mate > Date: February 26, 2023 at 12:18:49 PM CST > To: galliher at illinois.edu > Subject: How US and Ukraine's far-right made pro-peace Zelensky a 'no peace' president > Reply-To: Aaron Mat? from Aaron Mate > > ? > Open in app or online > This is a preview of a post for paid subscribers. > How US and Ukraine's far-right made pro-peace Zelensky a 'no peace' president > Elected in 2019 to bring peace to Ukraine, a Zelensky aide now declares that "there is no peace with Russia, and Ukraine must arm itself to the teeth." > AARON MAT? > FEB 26 > ? > PREVIEW > > > > > > SAVE > > > (Photo by STR/NurPhoto via Getty Images) > Volodymyr Zelensky marked the one-year anniversary of Russia?s invasion of Ukraine by rejecting any negotiations with the Kremlin. > > ?There is nothing to talk about and nobody to talk about over there,? Zelensky declared. > > The Ukrainian President delivered the message just two weeks after his French and German counterparts urged him, at a meeting in Paris, ?to start considering peace talks with Moscow,? the Wall Street Journal reports. > > But as an adviser explained to the New York Times, Zelensky is now ?more at peace with himself,? and therefore has no need to entertain the possibility of peace with his neighbor. > > ?He has a clear understanding what Ukraine should do,? the adviser said. ?There is no ambiguity: There is no peace with Russia, and Ukraine must arm itself to the teeth.? > > Zelensky?s ?clear understanding? of the need to reject peace with Russia and turn his country into a NATO arms depot is a resounding victory for the Ukrainian far-right and its US government allies. As I wrote here last year, these two powerful forces, aligned by their converging interests in prolonging the post-2014 war in Ukraine?s Donbas region, sabotaged the peace platform that Zelensky was elected on in April 2019. As Adam Schiff put it, the US has used Ukraine?s civil war ?so that we can fight Russia over there, and we don't have to fight Russia here.? > > The commemoration of the first anniversary of Russia?s cross-border invasion to end Schiff?s bipartisan ?fight? has yielded more insight into how the US, in concert with its ideological allies in Ukraine?s powerful far-right, helped convert Zelensky from pro-peace candidate to ?no peace? president... > Keep reading with a 7-day free trial > Subscribe to Aaron Mate to keep reading this post and get 7 days of free access to the full post archives. > > Start trial > A subscription gets you: > > Subscriber-only posts and full archive > Post comments and join the community > > LIKE > COMMENT > SHARE > > Read Aaron Mate in the app > Listen to posts, join subscriber chats, and never miss an update from Aaron Mat?. > > ? 2023 Aaron Mat? > 548 Market Street PMB 72296, San Francisco, CA 94104 > Unsubscribe > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook via Peace To: Peace ; Peace Discuss Sent: Sun, Feb 26, 2023 11:41 pm Subject: [Peace] Fwd: How US and Ukraine's far-right made pro-peace Zelensky a 'no peace' president Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Aaron Mat? from Aaron Mate Date: February 26, 2023 at 12:18:49 PM CST To: galliher at illinois.edu Subject: How US and Ukraine's far-right made pro-peace Zelensky a 'no peace' president Reply-To: Aaron Mat? from Aaron Mate ? 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12px;height:auto;margin-top:10px;}#yiv3049518952 .yiv3049518952poll-editor-modal {}#yiv3049518952 .yiv3049518952poll-embed .yiv3049518952poll-anchor-target .yiv3049518952poll-anchor-copy-button {}#yiv3049518952 .yiv3049518952poll-embed .yiv3049518952poll-wrapper.yiv3049518952poll-web .yiv3049518952poll-dialog .yiv3049518952modal-table .yiv3049518952modal-row .yiv3049518952modal-content > .yiv3049518952container {padding:40px 0px;}#yiv3049518952 .yiv3049518952poll-embed .yiv3049518952poll-wrapper.yiv3049518952poll-web .yiv3049518952poll-dialog .yiv3049518952modal-row .yiv3049518952modal-cell .yiv3049518952modal-exit-btn {}Elected in 2019 to bring peace to Ukraine, a Zelensky aide now declares that "there is no peace with Russia, and Ukraine must arm itself to the teeth." 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How US and Ukraine's far-right made pro-peace Zelensky a 'no peace' president Elected in 2019 to bring peace to Ukraine, a Zelensky aide now declares that "there is no peace with Russia, and Ukraine must arm itself to the teeth." | | | Aaron Mat? | | | | Feb 26 | | | ? | | Preview | | | | | | | | ? | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Save | | | | | ? | | | | | (Photo by STR/NurPhoto via Getty Images) Volodymyr Zelensky marked the one-year anniversary of Russia?s invasion of Ukraine by rejecting any negotiations with the Kremlin. ?There is nothing to talk about and nobody to talk about over there,? Zelensky declared. The Ukrainian President delivered the message just two weeks after his French and German counterparts urged him, at a meeting in Paris, ?to start considering peace talks with Moscow,? the Wall Street Journal reports. But as an adviser explained to the New York Times, Zelensky is now ?more at peace with himself,? and therefore has no need to entertain the possibility of peace with his neighbor. ?He has a clear understanding what Ukraine should do,? the adviser said. ?There is no ambiguity: There is no peace with Russia, and Ukraine must arm itself to the teeth.? Zelensky?s ?clear understanding? of the need to reject peace with Russia and turn his country into a NATO arms depot is a resounding victory for the Ukrainian far-right and its US government allies. As I wrote here last year, these two powerful forces, aligned by their converging interests in prolonging the post-2014 war in Ukraine?s Donbas region, sabotaged the peace platform that Zelensky was elected on in April 2019. As Adam Schiff put it, the US has used Ukraine?s civil war ?so that we can fight Russia over there, and we don't have to fight Russia here.? The commemoration of the first anniversary of Russia?s cross-border invasion to end Schiff?s bipartisan ?fight? has yielded more insight into how the US, in concert with its ideological allies in Ukraine?s powerful far-right, helped convert Zelensky from pro-peace candidate to ?no peace? president... Keep reading with a 7-day free trial Subscribe to Aaron Mate to keep reading this post and get 7 days of free access to the full post archives. 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Estabrook) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:43:50 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] How US and Ukraine's far-right made pro-peace Zelensky a 'no peace' president Message-ID: <040275E2-0E27-480A-83F5-C523BD8EDD49@newsfromneptune.com> https://open.substack.com/pub/mate/p/how-us-and-ukraines-far-right-made