From kmedina67 at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 23:29:06 2024 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2024 17:29:06 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?UIUC=E2=80=99s_Francis_Boyle_is_interv?= =?utf-8?q?iewed_on_=E2=80=9CDemocracy_Now!=E2=80=9D_Tuesday=2C_2_J?= =?utf-8?q?anuary=2C_2024?= Message-ID: Dear Peace Discuss, [Check out UIUC?s Francis Boyle is interviewed on ?Democracy Now!? Tuesday, 2 January, 2024. -Karen Medina] Democracy Now! title of interview: ?South Africa Files Genocide Case Against Israel at International Court of Justice? Link to the audio and the written transcript: https://www.democracynow.org/2024/1/2/south_africa_israel_genocide_icj Basic notes from the interview: * ?South Africa has filed a case at the main judicial body for the United Nations, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, accusing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. * PRESIDENT CYRIL RAMAPHOSA: The collective punishment of Palestinian civilians through the unlawful use of force by Israel is a war crime. The deliberate denial of medicine, fuel, food and water to the residents of Gaza is tantamount to genocide. * Boyle believes South Africa will win an order against Israel to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Palestinians * Why South Africa? > there is a direct comparison between the Israeli apartheid system on all the Palestinians * Why the International Court on Justice (ICJ)? > Orders of the ICJ can do a lot. * Examples of past successes through ICJ: stopping the genocide of Bosnia (and Herzegovina) by Yugoslavia * ?We here in the United States of America have the power to stop this? [genocide]. Israel has a history of listening to the United States? orders to stop its assaults on the Occupied Palestinian Territories. * Other examples: To stop U.S. President Reagan?s war against Nicaragua Who: Francis A. Boyle, a human rights lawyer, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include: * ?The Bosnian People Charge Genocide? (1994) Aletheia Press, * ?Palestine, Palestinians, and International Law? (2003) Clarity Press, * as well as ?World Politics, Human Rights, and International Law? (2021) Lexington Books. [To see the 19 book titles, see his list of publications: https://experts.illinois.edu/en/persons/francis-a-boyle/publications/ ] * from his College of Law bio: ?Over his career, Francis Boyle has represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot Nation (Canada), the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation, as well as numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare. From 1991 to 1992, Boyle served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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R.I.P. ----- Forwarded Message ---I-- From: Karen Medina via Peace-discuss To: Peace List ; Peace-discuss List Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 05:30:09 PM CSTSubject: [Peace-discuss] UIUC?s Francis Boyle is interviewed on ?Democracy Now!? Tuesday, 2 January, 2024 Dear Peace Discuss,[Check out UIUC?s Francis Boyle is interviewed on ?Democracy Now!? Tuesday, 2 January, 2024. -Karen Medina]? Democracy Now! title of interview: ?South Africa Files Genocide Case Against Israel at International Court of Justice? Link to the audio and the written transcript: https://www.democracynow.org/2024/1/2/south_africa_israel_genocide_icj Basic notes from the interview:? * ?South Africa has filed a case at the main judicial body for the United Nations, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, accusing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. * PRESIDENT CYRIL RAMAPHOSA: The collective punishment of Palestinian civilians through the unlawful use of force by Israel is a war crime. The deliberate denial of medicine, fuel, food and water to the residents of Gaza is tantamount to genocide. * Boyle believes South Africa will win an order against Israel to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Palestinians * Why South Africa? > there is a direct comparison between the Israeli apartheid system on all the Palestinians * Why the International Court on Justice (ICJ)? > Orders of the ICJ can do a lot. * Examples of past successes through ICJ: stopping the genocide of Bosnia (and Herzegovina) by Yugoslavia * ?We here in the United States of America have the power to stop this? [genocide]. Israel has a history of listening to the United States? orders to stop its assaults on the Occupied Palestinian Territories. * Other examples: To stop U.S. President Reagan?s war against Nicaragua Who: Francis A. Boyle, a human rights lawyer, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include: * ?The Bosnian People Charge Genocide? (1994) Aletheia Press,? * ?Palestine, Palestinians, and International Law? (2003) Clarity Press,? * as well as ?World Politics, Human Rights, and International Law? (2021) Lexington Books. [To see the 19 book titles, see his list of publications:?https://experts.illinois.edu/en/persons/francis-a-boyle/publications/?] * from his College of Law bio: ?Over his career, Francis Boyle has represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot Nation (Canada), the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation, as well as numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare. 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URL: From rwhelbig at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 19:02:53 2024 From: rwhelbig at gmail.com (Roger Helbig) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 11:02:53 -0800 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A_UIUC=E2=80=99s_Francis_Boyle_is_?= =?utf-8?q?interviewed_on_=E2=80=9CDemocracy_Now!=E2=80=9D_Tuesday?= =?utf-8?q?=2C_2_January=2C_2024?= In-Reply-To: <721209016.4410391.1704295022188@mail.yahoo.com> References: <867437452.4409654.1704293987473@mail.yahoo.com> <721209016.4410391.1704295022188@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For someone who has been pushing the lies began by Saddam Hussein about depleted uranium, I am not surprised he is supporting this ?Calculated Risk?: Israel to Fight South Africa?s Genocide ?Blood Libel? at The Hague By Etgar Lefkovits - 22 Tevet 5784 ? January 3, 2024 0 Share on Facebook Tweet on Twitter - - Photo Credit: TPS Israeli soldiers by the Gaza border on Dec. 29, 2023. (TPS) Israeli representatives will appear before the International Court of Justice in The Hague next week to challenge South Africa?s ?blood libel? accusing the Jewish state of committing genocide against Gazans in Gaza, a government spokesman said on Tuesday. The top-level government decision to enter a legal defense in the case, which South Africa launched last week, is designed to avert an interim order by the court calling on Israel to halt its offense against the Hamas terrorist organization. Advertisement ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ?In giving political and legal cover to the October 7 massacre and the Hamas human-shield strategy, South Africa has made itself criminally complicit with Hamas?s campaign of genocide against our people,? Israeli government spokesman Eylon Levy said. Around 1,200 persons, mostly civilians, were murdered when thousands of Hamas terrorists stormed through the border, while another approximately 240 were abducted to Gaza. Levy said that the State of Israel will appear at The Hague to ?dispel South Africa?s absurd blood libel.? He accused Pretoria of ?fighting pro-bono for anti-Jewish racists.? ?We have no doubt that after the Jewish state brings to justice the perpetrators of the bloodiest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, history will judge South Africa for abetting the modern heirs of the Nazis,? he said. ?We assure South Africa?s leaders: History will judge you, and it will judge you without mercy.? South Africa has asked the International Court of Justice to issue an interim order for Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in the Gaza Strip. A hearing on that request is expected to get underway next Thursday. The case will take years, but an interim order could be issued within weeks. A Calculated Risk Israeli legal experts said Tuesday that Jerusalem is taking a ?calculated risk? in going to the court. ?At the end of the day, this is a political, anti-Israel court, so it is unclear what their ruling will be,? said Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, an Israeli attorney, founder of Shurat HaDin?Israeli Law Center, who has represented hundreds of victims in legal actions against terrorist organizations and their supporters. She said that Israel was counting on the ?sane countries? of the world for support in the public debate. ?There is a good chance that there will be a hostile decision against Israel,? said Avraham Russel Shalev, a lawyer at the Kohelet Policy Forum. He said that the battle in the court was not so much a legal threat as a diplomatic and PR challenge. ?The point of attending is not so much for Israel to bring its case to the International Court of Justice but to the court of public opinion,? he said. Shalev noted that the court has issued decisions against the U.S., the U.K., Russia and Israel in the past that were all ignored, including a ruling against the security barrier during an earlier round of Palestinian terrorism two decades ago. Pretoria, which has close ties with Hamas, has been a fierce critic of Israel?s military campaign in Gaza. South Africa is bringing the case to The Hague under the U.N.?s 1948 Genocide Convention because both it and Israel are signatories to it. ?South Africa is cynically using the convention adopted after the Holocaust against the very Jewish State that is protecting itself against Hamas perpetrators of genocide after the single largest attack on Jews since the Holocaust,? Shalev said. On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:17?AM moboct1--- via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Karen: Thanks for this. Democracy Now has the best coverage of the > Israel war on Palestine every night on the 'Net! It was a great interview > with Francis Boyle. I watch it every night from 8-9 pm on Eastern Illinois > University's PBS First Nation Experience Channel 51.2 rebroadcast of the > 7:00 show because I can't receive WILL where I live in Savoy. I only wish > Karen Aram were here to have seen it! R.I.P. > ----- Forwarded Message ---I-- > *From:* Karen Medina via Peace-discuss > *To:* Peace List ; Peace-discuss List < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 05:30:09 PM CST > *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] UIUC?s Francis Boyle is interviewed on > ?Democracy Now!? Tuesday, 2 January, 2024 > > Dear Peace Discuss, > [Check out UIUC?s Francis Boyle is interviewed on ?Democracy Now!? > Tuesday, 2 January, 2024. -Karen Medina] > > Democracy Now! title of interview: ?South Africa Files Genocide Case > Against Israel at International Court of Justice? > Link to the audio and the written transcript: > https://www.democracynow.org/2024/1/2/south_africa_israel_genocide_icj > > > Basic notes from the interview: > * ?South Africa has filed a case at the main judicial body for the United > Nations, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, accusing > Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. > * PRESIDENT CYRIL RAMAPHOSA: The collective punishment of Palestinian > civilians through the unlawful use of force by Israel is a war crime. The > deliberate denial of medicine, fuel, food and water to the residents of > Gaza is tantamount to genocide. > * Boyle believes South Africa will win an order against Israel to cease > and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Palestinians > > * Why South Africa? > there is a direct comparison between the Israeli > apartheid system on all the Palestinians > * Why the International Court on Justice (ICJ)? > Orders of the ICJ can do > a lot. > * Examples of past successes through ICJ: stopping the genocide of Bosnia > (and Herzegovina) by Yugoslavia > * ?We here in the United States of America have the power to stop this? > [genocide]. Israel has a history of listening to the United States? orders > to stop its assaults on the Occupied Palestinian Territories. > * Other examples: To stop U.S. President Reagan?s war against Nicaragua > > Who: Francis A. Boyle, a human rights lawyer, professor of international > law at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include: * ?The > Bosnian People Charge Genocide? (1994) Aletheia Press, > * ?Palestine, Palestinians, and International Law? (2003) Clarity Press, > * as well as ?World Politics, Human Rights, and International Law? (2021) > Lexington Books. > [To see the 19 book titles, see his list of publications: > https://experts.illinois.edu/en/persons/francis-a-boyle/publications/ ] * > from his College of Law bio: ?Over his career, Francis Boyle has > represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot > Nation (Canada), the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation, as well as > numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised > numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and > genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare. From 1991 to 1992, Boyle served > as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace > Negotiations.? > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 15:34:58 2024 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 09:34:58 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A_UIUC=E2=80=99s_Francis_Boyle_is_?= =?utf-8?q?interviewed_on_=E2=80=9CDemocracy_Now!=E2=80=9D_Tuesday?= =?utf-8?q?=2C_2_January=2C_2024?= In-Reply-To: References: <867437452.4409654.1704293987473@mail.yahoo.com> <721209016.4410391.1704295022188@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Roger, You seem to have cut off the information about the source of this article you shared. / Is it from the Jewish News Syndicate? The article repeats that Oct 7 was an attempt at genocide. Even if the actions on the one day of October 7, 2013 was an *attempt* by Hamas to commit genocide against the Jewish nation of Israel, Hamas could not. Hamas' resources are miniscule in comparison to Israel's weapons, power (to cut off water, power, and communication), resources, and support from the United States. The government of Israel should know better than to commit genocide, and it is beyond any doubt, the goverment is committing genocide as fast as it can. [Israel has been committing Israel by murdering Gazans; permanently displacing 80% of the population; destroying homes, roads, hospitals, and infrastructure; and denying humanitarian aid is not convincing the Gazans to love the Jewish Nation of Israel. Perhaps they should rethink their tactics. Best, Karen Medina On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 1:03?PM Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > For someone who has been pushing the lies began by Saddam Hussein about > depleted uranium, I am not surprised he is supporting this > > ?Calculated Risk?: Israel to Fight South Africa?s Genocide ?Blood Libel? > at The Hague > By > Etgar Lefkovits > - > 22 Tevet 5784 ? January 3, 2024 > 0 > > Share on Facebook > > > > Tweet on Twitter > > > > > > > > > - > - > > Photo Credit: TPS > > Israeli > soldiers by the Gaza border on Dec. 29, 2023. > > (TPS) Israeli representatives will appear before the International Court > of Justice in The Hague next week to challenge South Africa?s ?blood libel? > accusing the Jewish state of committing genocide against Gazans in Gaza, a > government spokesman said on Tuesday. > > The top-level government decision to enter a legal defense in the case, > which South Africa launched last week, is designed to avert an interim > order by the court calling on Israel to halt its offense against the Hamas > terrorist organization. > Advertisement > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > ?In giving political and legal cover to the October 7 massacre and the > Hamas human-shield strategy, South Africa has made itself criminally > complicit with Hamas?s campaign of genocide against our people,? Israeli > government spokesman Eylon Levy said. > > Around 1,200 persons, mostly civilians, were murdered when thousands of > Hamas terrorists stormed through the border, while another approximately > 240 were abducted to Gaza. > > Levy said that the State of Israel will appear at The Hague to ?dispel > South Africa?s absurd blood libel.? He accused Pretoria of ?fighting > pro-bono for anti-Jewish racists.? > > ?We have no doubt that after the Jewish state brings to justice the > perpetrators of the bloodiest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, history > will judge South Africa for abetting the modern heirs of the Nazis,? he > said. ?We assure South Africa?s leaders: History will judge you, and it > will judge you without mercy.? > > South Africa has asked the International Court of Justice to issue an > interim order for Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in > the Gaza Strip. > > A hearing on that request is expected to get underway next Thursday. The > case will take years, but an interim order could be issued within weeks. > > A Calculated Risk > Israeli legal experts said Tuesday that Jerusalem is taking a ?calculated > risk? in going to the court. > > ?At the end of the day, this is a political, anti-Israel court, so it is > unclear what their ruling will be,? said Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, an > Israeli attorney, founder of Shurat HaDin?Israeli Law Center, who has > represented hundreds of victims in legal actions against terrorist > organizations and their supporters. > > She said that Israel was counting on the ?sane countries? of the world for > support in the public debate. > > ?There is a good chance that there will be a hostile decision against > Israel,? said Avraham Russel Shalev, a lawyer at the Kohelet Policy Forum. > > He said that the battle in the court was not so much a legal threat as a > diplomatic and PR challenge. ?The point of attending is not so much for > Israel to bring its case to the International Court of Justice but to the > court of public opinion,? he said. > > Shalev noted that the court has issued decisions against the U.S., the > U.K., Russia and Israel in the past that were all ignored, including a > ruling against the security barrier during an earlier round of Palestinian > terrorism two decades ago. > > Pretoria, which has close ties with Hamas, has been a fierce critic of > Israel?s military campaign in Gaza. > > South Africa is bringing the case to The Hague under the U.N.?s 1948 > Genocide Convention because both it and Israel are signatories to it. > > ?South Africa is cynically using the convention adopted after the > Holocaust against the very Jewish State that is protecting itself against > Hamas perpetrators of genocide after the single largest attack on Jews > since the Holocaust,? Shalev said. > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:17?AM moboct1--- via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> Karen: Thanks for this. Democracy Now has the best coverage of the >> Israel war on Palestine every night on the 'Net! It was a great interview >> with Francis Boyle. I watch it every night from 8-9 pm on Eastern Illinois >> University's PBS First Nation Experience Channel 51.2 rebroadcast of the >> 7:00 show because I can't receive WILL where I live in Savoy. I only wish >> Karen Aram were here to have seen it! R.I.P. >> ----- Forwarded Message ---I-- >> *From:* Karen Medina via Peace-discuss >> *To:* Peace List ; Peace-discuss List < >> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 05:30:09 PM CST >> *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] UIUC?s Francis Boyle is interviewed on >> ?Democracy Now!? Tuesday, 2 January, 2024 >> >> Dear Peace Discuss, >> [Check out UIUC?s Francis Boyle is interviewed on ?Democracy Now!? >> Tuesday, 2 January, 2024. -Karen Medina] >> >> Democracy Now! title of interview: ?South Africa Files Genocide Case >> Against Israel at International Court of Justice? >> Link to the audio and the written transcript: >> https://www.democracynow.org/2024/1/2/south_africa_israel_genocide_icj >> >> >> Basic notes from the interview: >> * ?South Africa has filed a case at the main judicial body for the United >> Nations, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, accusing >> Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. >> * PRESIDENT CYRIL RAMAPHOSA: The collective punishment of Palestinian >> civilians through the unlawful use of force by Israel is a war crime. The >> deliberate denial of medicine, fuel, food and water to the residents of >> Gaza is tantamount to genocide. >> * Boyle believes South Africa will win an order against Israel to cease >> and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Palestinians >> >> * Why South Africa? > there is a direct comparison between the Israeli >> apartheid system on all the Palestinians >> * Why the International Court on Justice (ICJ)? > Orders of the ICJ can >> do a lot. >> * Examples of past successes through ICJ: stopping the genocide of Bosnia >> (and Herzegovina) by Yugoslavia >> * ?We here in the United States of America have the power to stop this? >> [genocide]. Israel has a history of listening to the United States? orders >> to stop its assaults on the Occupied Palestinian Territories. >> * Other examples: To stop U.S. President Reagan?s war against Nicaragua >> >> Who: Francis A. Boyle, a human rights lawyer, professor of international >> law at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include: * ?The >> Bosnian People Charge Genocide? (1994) Aletheia Press, >> * ?Palestine, Palestinians, and International Law? (2003) Clarity Press, >> * as well as ?World Politics, Human Rights, and International Law? (2021) >> Lexington Books. >> [To see the 19 book titles, see his list of publications: >> https://experts.illinois.edu/en/persons/francis-a-boyle/publications/ ] >> * from his College of Law bio: ?Over his career, Francis Boyle has >> represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot >> Nation (Canada), the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation, as well as >> numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised >> numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and >> genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare. From 1991 to 1992, Boyle served >> as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace >> Negotiations.? >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -- -- karen medina "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." - Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 15:57:38 2024 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 09:57:38 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A_UIUC=E2=80=99s_Francis_Boyle_is_?= =?utf-8?q?interviewed_on_=E2=80=9CDemocracy_Now!=E2=80=9D_Tuesday?= =?utf-8?q?=2C_2_January=2C_2024?= In-Reply-To: References: <867437452.4409654.1704293987473@mail.yahoo.com> <721209016.4410391.1704295022188@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Furthermore, even if Hamas were a cross between Genghis Khan and Atila the Hun, it wouldn't justify Israeli atrocities. That's not how Ethics and Morality work. "You kill my civilians, I kill your civilians." That's not Justice. On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 9:35?AM Karen Medina via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Hi Roger, You seem to have cut off the information about the source of > this article you shared. / Is it from the Jewish News Syndicate? > > The article repeats that Oct 7 was an attempt at genocide. Even if the > actions on the one day of October 7, 2013 was an *attempt* by Hamas to > commit genocide against the Jewish nation of Israel, Hamas could not. > Hamas' resources are miniscule in comparison to Israel's weapons, power (to > cut off water, power, and communication), resources, and support from the > United States. > > The government of Israel should know better than to commit genocide, and > it is beyond any doubt, the goverment is committing genocide as fast as it > can. [Israel has been committing > > Israel by murdering Gazans; permanently displacing 80% of the population; > destroying homes, roads, hospitals, and infrastructure; and denying > humanitarian aid is not convincing the Gazans to love the Jewish Nation of > Israel. Perhaps they should rethink their tactics. > > Best, > Karen Medina > > > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 1:03?PM Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> For someone who has been pushing the lies began by Saddam Hussein about >> depleted uranium, I am not surprised he is supporting this >> >> ?Calculated Risk?: Israel to Fight South Africa?s Genocide ?Blood Libel? >> at The Hague >> By >> Etgar Lefkovits >> - >> 22 Tevet 5784 ? January 3, 2024 >> 0 >> >> Share on Facebook >> >> >> >> Tweet on Twitter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> - >> >> Photo Credit: TPS >> >> Israeli >> soldiers by the Gaza border on Dec. 29, 2023. >> >> (TPS) Israeli representatives will appear before the International Court >> of Justice in The Hague next week to challenge South Africa?s ?blood libel? >> accusing the Jewish state of committing genocide against Gazans in Gaza, a >> government spokesman said on Tuesday. >> >> The top-level government decision to enter a legal defense in the case, >> which South Africa launched last week, is designed to avert an interim >> order by the court calling on Israel to halt its offense against the Hamas >> terrorist organization. >> Advertisement >> ------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ?In giving political and legal cover to the October 7 massacre and the >> Hamas human-shield strategy, South Africa has made itself criminally >> complicit with Hamas?s campaign of genocide against our people,? Israeli >> government spokesman Eylon Levy said. >> >> Around 1,200 persons, mostly civilians, were murdered when thousands of >> Hamas terrorists stormed through the border, while another approximately >> 240 were abducted to Gaza. >> >> Levy said that the State of Israel will appear at The Hague to ?dispel >> South Africa?s absurd blood libel.? He accused Pretoria of ?fighting >> pro-bono for anti-Jewish racists.? >> >> ?We have no doubt that after the Jewish state brings to justice the >> perpetrators of the bloodiest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, history >> will judge South Africa for abetting the modern heirs of the Nazis,? he >> said. ?We assure South Africa?s leaders: History will judge you, and it >> will judge you without mercy.? >> >> South Africa has asked the International Court of Justice to issue an >> interim order for Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in >> the Gaza Strip. >> >> A hearing on that request is expected to get underway next Thursday. The >> case will take years, but an interim order could be issued within weeks. >> >> A Calculated Risk >> Israeli legal experts said Tuesday that Jerusalem is taking a ?calculated >> risk? in going to the court. >> >> ?At the end of the day, this is a political, anti-Israel court, so it is >> unclear what their ruling will be,? said Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, an >> Israeli attorney, founder of Shurat HaDin?Israeli Law Center, who has >> represented hundreds of victims in legal actions against terrorist >> organizations and their supporters. >> >> She said that Israel was counting on the ?sane countries? of the world >> for support in the public debate. >> >> ?There is a good chance that there will be a hostile decision against >> Israel,? said Avraham Russel Shalev, a lawyer at the Kohelet Policy Forum. >> >> He said that the battle in the court was not so much a legal threat as a >> diplomatic and PR challenge. ?The point of attending is not so much for >> Israel to bring its case to the International Court of Justice but to the >> court of public opinion,? he said. >> >> Shalev noted that the court has issued decisions against the U.S., the >> U.K., Russia and Israel in the past that were all ignored, including a >> ruling against the security barrier during an earlier round of Palestinian >> terrorism two decades ago. >> >> Pretoria, which has close ties with Hamas, has been a fierce critic of >> Israel?s military campaign in Gaza. >> >> South Africa is bringing the case to The Hague under the U.N.?s 1948 >> Genocide Convention because both it and Israel are signatories to it. >> >> ?South Africa is cynically using the convention adopted after the >> Holocaust against the very Jewish State that is protecting itself against >> Hamas perpetrators of genocide after the single largest attack on Jews >> since the Holocaust,? Shalev said. >> >> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:17?AM moboct1--- via Peace-discuss < >> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >>> Karen: Thanks for this. Democracy Now has the best coverage of the >>> Israel war on Palestine every night on the 'Net! It was a great interview >>> with Francis Boyle. I watch it every night from 8-9 pm on Eastern Illinois >>> University's PBS First Nation Experience Channel 51.2 rebroadcast of the >>> 7:00 show because I can't receive WILL where I live in Savoy. I only wish >>> Karen Aram were here to have seen it! R.I.P. >>> ----- Forwarded Message ---I-- >>> *From:* Karen Medina via Peace-discuss >> > >>> *To:* Peace List ; Peace-discuss List < >>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 05:30:09 PM CST >>> *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] UIUC?s Francis Boyle is interviewed on >>> ?Democracy Now!? Tuesday, 2 January, 2024 >>> >>> Dear Peace Discuss, >>> [Check out UIUC?s Francis Boyle is interviewed on ?Democracy Now!? >>> Tuesday, 2 January, 2024. -Karen Medina] >>> >>> Democracy Now! title of interview: ?South Africa Files Genocide Case >>> Against Israel at International Court of Justice? >>> Link to the audio and the written transcript: >>> https://www.democracynow.org/2024/1/2/south_africa_israel_genocide_icj >>> >>> >>> Basic notes from the interview: >>> * ?South Africa has filed a case at the main judicial body for the >>> United Nations, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, >>> accusing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. >>> * PRESIDENT CYRIL RAMAPHOSA: The collective punishment of Palestinian >>> civilians through the unlawful use of force by Israel is a war crime. The >>> deliberate denial of medicine, fuel, food and water to the residents of >>> Gaza is tantamount to genocide. >>> * Boyle believes South Africa will win an order against Israel to cease >>> and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Palestinians >>> >>> * Why South Africa? > there is a direct comparison between the Israeli >>> apartheid system on all the Palestinians >>> * Why the International Court on Justice (ICJ)? > Orders of the ICJ can >>> do a lot. >>> * Examples of past successes through ICJ: stopping the genocide of >>> Bosnia (and Herzegovina) by Yugoslavia >>> * ?We here in the United States of America have the power to stop this? >>> [genocide]. Israel has a history of listening to the United States? orders >>> to stop its assaults on the Occupied Palestinian Territories. >>> * Other examples: To stop U.S. President Reagan?s war against Nicaragua >>> >>> Who: Francis A. Boyle, a human rights lawyer, professor of international >>> law at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include: * ?The >>> Bosnian People Charge Genocide? (1994) Aletheia Press, >>> * ?Palestine, Palestinians, and International Law? (2003) Clarity Press, >>> >>> * as well as ?World Politics, Human Rights, and International Law? >>> (2021) Lexington Books. >>> [To see the 19 book titles, see his list of publications: >>> https://experts.illinois.edu/en/persons/francis-a-boyle/publications/ ] >>> * from his College of Law bio: ?Over his career, Francis Boyle has >>> represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot >>> Nation (Canada), the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation, as well as >>> numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised >>> numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and >>> genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare. From 1991 to 1992, Boyle served >>> as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace >>> Negotiations.? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> > > > -- > -- karen medina > "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." - Mark > Twain > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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