<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Absolutely! The issue isn't whether to protest, but getting the info to those who oppose Rove's past-present-future agenda and would happily join peace activists in this -- Democrats, Friends, misc others... I'm guessing this is in the works?? Strength in numbers.<div> --Jenifer<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 3/13/10, Robert Naiman <i><naiman.uiuc@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [sf-core] couple things<br>To: "Stuart Levy" <slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu><br>Cc: "C. G. ESTABROOK" <cge@shout.net>, "Socialist Forum" <sf-core@yahoogroups.com>, "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br>Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 11:12 AM<br><br><div
class="plainMail">In addition to what Stuart said, Karl Rove is a contemporary political<br>player. It isn't merely a question of protesting someone who helped<br>organize crimes against humanity in the past. He is a prominent<br>advocate - big media perch - of crimes against humanity in the<br>present. If you think of the Obama Administration as including the<br>media, Karl Rove is part of the Obama Administration.<br><br>But more importantly, as Jim Duffett of CBHC and I envisioned this<br>protest, at least, the goal isn't so much to project the message "we<br>hate Karl Rove" or "Karl Rove is evil"; rather, we see Karl Rove's<br>presence in Champaign as a hook on which to hang: end the wars, bring<br>the troops home, put America back to work, health care for all... In<br>media terms, Karl Rove's presence is a big deal; Jim D. believes there<br>will be out of town media there.<br><br>So, as a crude, practical matter, for me the question boils down
to<br>this: in what contexts is it most strategic to hold your sign? When<br>you are at a peace demonstration on a city sidewalk, typically, all<br>other things being equal, if you can you stand on the street with the<br>most traffic, because more people will see you. Here the question is a<br>bit more of a probability calculation, because we can't know exactly<br>what the media play will be. But I would note that a few days ago<br>there was a national day of mobilization for higher education, and it<br>got significant media coverage, and when I was watching the coverage<br>on CNN, there were anti-war signs (e.g. "money for schools, not for<br>war.")<br><br>If the mountain will not come to Muhammad, Muhammad must go to the mountain...<br><br>Here's what Jim D sent around...<br><br>FAMILY VALUES<br>NOT<br>CORPORATE GREED<br>RALLY<br>LIVING WAGE JOBS<br>HEALTH CARE PEACE<br>STOP BUDGET CUTS<br><br>March 20th (Saturday)<br>10:30am - Noon<br>I
Hotel & Conference Center<br><br> (1900 South First Street, Champaign – directly<br><br> South of the Illini Assembly Hall/parking)<br><br>On March 20th, Karl Rove will join Illinois political figures<br>attending the Lincolin Day Luncheon for the Champaign County GOP. For<br>the past 14 months opponents of fairness have been waging a<br>mean-spirited, divisive and right out lying campaign on how pro-family<br>health care reforms, jobs and other measures would affect our county.<br>Saying NO and defending the financial interests of the insurance<br>industry, Wall Street and other corporate interests are NOT family<br>values.<br><br>On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Stuart Levy <<a ymailto="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu">slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu</a>> wrote:<br>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:51:24PM -0600, C. G. ESTABROOK wrote:<br>>> It is
certainly "a bit perverse" to assert that the present administration<br>>> represents any improvement over that last in, say, the matter of killing<br>>> people.<br>><br>> I don't think we need to claim that to find Rove thoroughly worthy<br>> of demonstrating against.<br>><br>> Rove is one of the principal political architects of support for the<br>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And he has not changed his tune.<br>> The Obama administration has not shown that kind of grand initiative --<br>> they owe a heavy debt to the previous admin.<br>><br>> For some fun, check out recent Doonesbury strips (doonesbury.com),<br>> which involve helicopters, the CIA, and an Afghan wedding party, but<br>> not in the usual tragic way. It also includes Trudeau's favorite<br>> quotes from recent news, and here's the current one:<br>><br>> "I'm proud that we used techniques that broke the
will of these<br>> terrorists... I'm proud that we kept the world safer than it was,<br>> by use of these techniques." -- Karl Rove on waterboarding<br>><br>> If John Yoo came to town, would we refrain from demonstrating about<br>> his presence on the grounds that he wasn't part of the current administration?<br>> How short are our memories supposed to get?<br>><br>> During the Bush administration I didn't see AWARE, at least, as<br>> a specifically anti-Republican action group, and I don't see us as a<br>> specifically anti-Democratic one now. We're a peace group.<br>><br>> Stuart<br>><br>> --<br>> This message has been scanned for viruses and<br>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is<br>> believed to be clean.<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Peace-discuss mailing list<br>> <a
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