Dave, no one said that you don't care about your fellow human beings.<br><br>Also, I don't like your assumptions about who does and who doesn't have health insurance. I don't at this moment, because I have been unable to continue paying the exorbinant premiums for the Cobra insurance from my job back in California (I'm at least $600 in the whole on my insurance, and even more in medical bills). Since I now have a new job I will have insurance starting on the 1st but it is not a full plan and does not cover prescriptions, so I will be paying around $300 a month for my medication until i get the full deal.<br>
<br>Do agree with the charging of a fine for those who cannot afford healthcare? Absolutely not. this is one of many things that I don't like about the bill.<br><br>Do I agree that single payer is the only solution (short of over-throwing capitalism)? Yes.<br>
<br>Do I think that means we should not have taken the reforms that are now in place, like preventing insurance companies from dropping people who get sick or refusing to cover those already sick (and yes, I know that there are exceptions)? No. it would be ignorant, arrogant and even insensitive not to.<br>
<br>You make some very large assumptions about your audience, and I am in fact not just a little offended. I may have a better job now, but I have worked crap jobs. I survived in LA on minimum wage, I survived in Illinois on 2 part time jobs. It sucks, and I know it does. You shouldn't assume that just cause we're not their now, that we don't know what it is like.<br>
<br>And Dave P's response was mostly an ad homonym attack and not worth responding to.<br><br>T <br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:59 PM, unionyes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:unionyes@ameritech.net">unionyes@ameritech.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="3" face="Arial">To Jenifer and the rest of you that think the Obama
so called " health care reform bill " is so great and that any of us who
criticize it don't care about their fellow human beings.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">First of all, I want to ask Jenifer if she has health
insurance and if so what type ?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Secondly, this posting by Dave P. sums up my feelings
perfectly.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">WE, the working poor, Myself included, are the ones who
will NOT benefit from this Bill.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Easy for many of the rest of you to say it is so great
when you already have health insurance and won't have to face the prospect of a
fine and still have no health care.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">As Dave P. states below, Single Payer IS the ONLY REAL
public option.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Again, most of you who support the Obama plan, already
have health insurance and / or you are relying on info provided to you via the
corporate media and the democratic party.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Who along with the repubs prevented for day one ANY
discussion about single payer.</font></div>
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<div>As an anarchist and a "precarious-shit-worker" who does do the 'grub-work,'
I take offense to this "<font face="Calibri">individualistic
libertarian anarchists</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">"
claim. We, anarcho-PSWs, do not have cushy university jobs with health-care,
sick days, vacations, living wages... or the time, privelege, and luxury
for academic debates. It is true, those of us who make around $1000/month will
NEVER, EVER be able to afford the $200-300/month minimum premiums to fucking
corporations after paying some $400 in rent alone! [Add $200-300/loans in
student loans, $150 in other bills, etc... and there's nothing left for food.
Keeps me in my boyish figure I guess <i>;-)</i> ] Simply, everyday life is
always a losing battle... we're working-poor and we're FUCKED, this is
real. And, the $700 penalty on top of taxes will only make things worse!
Now, for those who make some $40,000/yr this all may be doable, and an
improvement, but for many of us who don't it's completely impossible unless the
feds pay %100 of our premiums.... i.e., SINGLE-PAYER. So, single-payer is
the ONLY improvement for us, and the ONLY solution that was never on the table!
[thanks to Both Dems and Reps] </font></div>
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