Tristan---I agree with what you say---but let me make it clear---I am not in battle with with anyone. More to the point, I intentionally left my "Naysayer" nameless--and I cannot take responsibility for someone who has taken the anonymity of the remark and chose to own it. An interesting decision within itself, nonetheless, my intention was not to label a named individual as much as questioning underlying motives. With that in mind, I believe Marti summed it up well. <br>
<br>I assume there is a general lack of awareness by some--- that there are other folks on these listservs, who are married, work or are retired from UIUC and who are in tax brackets that a Bill, such as the Health Reform, will dig a little deeper into their pockets then those of the middle and poverty class. But if folks want to put their name on the "Naysayer" label, that is a choice they control, not me.<br>
<br>Moving on...<br>What I hope is that "Naysayers" won't distract from the purpose of such an important forum. Therefore, Tristan is correct to encourage personal debates that are absent any points of interest to the Health Reform, kept off these general discussions. <br>
<br>That said, it is important to note---for this and future forums---what a "Naysayer" is and why I used the term.<br><i style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><br>A Naysayer is one who frequently engages in excessive complaining, negative banter
and/or a genuinely poor and downbeat attitude. Naysayers are
distinguished by their tendency to consistently view the glass half
empty, make frequent one-way trips to negative town, and constantly
emphasize the worst of a situation. They have the capacity to rant and
whine for hours on end about the most insignificant inconveniences. They
tend to travel solo, but have the keen ability to spread their
pessimistic attitude to a group of unsuspecting bystanders and encourage
others to employ their mindset.
<br><br>Naysayers tend to blend in with those around them rather
well, granted they have learned over the years to adapt to their
surroundings. However, when the opportunity arises, their true nature
will be exposed and they will stop at nothing to exclude others or bring
a general sense of negativity to any situation.
<br><br>Not to be confused with non-Naysayers (as I intended to present myself in the earlier emails) who fight against the
negativity brought forth by Naysayers, make the best of a situation and
are not afraid to call out a Naysayer on the spot.
</i> <br><br>Now, spiraling back to the Health Reform discussion--- I thought that John W's comments responding to Claudia's second email were on point. It was refreshing to read John's pro and con take on the user-friendly information extracted out of labyrinth of legal maneuvers, concessions, and revisions the Health Care Bill has evolved from since it was originally brought to the table.<br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Tristan B <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tristan.bunner@gmail.com">tristan.bunner@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I was referring to both of you. If you want to fight about personal stuff, do it off list please.<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, C. G. ESTABROOK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cge@shout.net" target="_blank">cge@shout.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Don't be too hard on Ms. Rosales. I think she thought that she was making a<br>
political comment, however inappropriate it was.<br>
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Tristan B wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>
Can we keep personal conversations between whoever is part of them?<br>
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On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, C. G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:cge@shout.net" target="_blank">cge@shout.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cge@shout.net" target="_blank">cge@shout.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
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This is getting a bit creepy, Melodye.<br>
<br>
Am I to understand that someone emailed you with observations about my net<br>
worth - and you posted them - because of things I'd written about politics?<br>
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Melodye Rosales wrote:<br>
<br>
Oops! Did I say a quarter of a million? I misspoke----someone privately<br>
emailed to correct me------Correction to previous email:<br>
<br>
Silly me----I meant to say, more than a half-million (conservative estimate)<br>
in C-U property alone ----add to that personal assets, medical insurance<br>
packages from the University times two, University pension packages times<br>
two---- So, I guess that makes their combined package putting them in the<br>
(or close to---or above) millionaires?<br>
<br>
just clarifying...<br>
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