<html><head><base href="x-msg://939/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm not sure I agree with David. If my dental procedure of tomorrow allows, I may well go to the meeting simply to tell that soldier (and his admirers) that I think he represents a vile government, a truely terrorist and racist government, if not a population, as recent and ongoing events in Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon have shown the world. I hope others (Palestinian supporters) would also appear to make similar observations, and not be fearful of the opprobrium that may come their way from the Israeli apologists attending. My questions would not be respectful. <div><br></div><div>I really don't know what the Jewish students are feeling at present, but I would want them to hear what others think of their rogue state(s). --mkb<div><br><div><div>On Apr 12, 2010, at 8:31 PM, David Green wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">My two cents, which may understandably be seen as confusing or even hypocritical, is that there is nothing to be gained by attending this event. Apologetics for war criminality don't deserve a respectful hearing, and thus in this case, given the location, deserve no hearing at all. Nobody will be there with an open mind. Because the support for Israel among Jewish students is at an alltime low, they're looking for something to spice things up--of course, on their own terms. I wouldn't take the bait. Let them admire each other and bore each other. You wouldn't ask "respectful questions" to a rapist, would you?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">DG<br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chris Tuck <<a href="mailto:christuck911@gmail.com">christuck911@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mon, April 12, 2010 1:14:21 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Peace] SJP requests attendees for an Illini-PAC event<br></font><br>SJP has been formally invited to attend an IlliniPAC event where an IDF soldier will speak about the "high morals" of the IDF. We are requesting that any members of AWARE, CAN or ISO who are able to attend will please do so, and bring targeted questions to help raise our voices against the brutality of the Israeli Occupation.<br><br>-This comes from the facebook event page:<br><br><table class="profileTable info_table" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td class="label">Date:</td><td class="data"><div class="datawrap" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Tuesday, April 13, 2010</div></td></tr><tr><td class="label">Time:</td><td class="data"><div class="datawrap" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">8:00pm - 9:00pm</div></td></tr><tr><td class="label">Location:</td><td class="data"><div class="datawrap" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cohen Center, 5th and John</div></td></tr></tbody></table><br>"On Tuesday, a visiting Israeli soldier will come to U of I to talk about the challenges of fighting terror organizations who are using guerilla fighting in the heart of civilian population. The state of Israel is battling the front line of the war against terror. The soldier will talk about the moral challenges and the way the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Israeli Defense Forces are enforcing the highest moral code</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on their soldiers despite the challenges they face."<br><br>-Message to SJP from Hillel.<br><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="im" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br>Hi,<br><br>My name is Jessica Ost and I am the Israel intern at Hillel, the<br>center for Jewish life on campus.<br><br>I am emailing you to invite you and the Students for Justice in<br>Palestine to an event next week on Tuesday, April 13 at 8:00<br>p.m. at Hillel at 503 E. John Street (corner of 5th and John).<br><br>We will have a sergeant from the Israel Defense Forces come to<br>campus to discuss his experience as a front liner fighter and the<br>rules of the Israel Defense Force. He personally asked us to<br>invite other groups on campus and said that he would answer<br>any question that would be asked in a respectable manner.<br><br>We would really like to see you at the event.<br><br>Please email me if you have any questions.<br><br>Sincerely,<br>Jessica Ost<br></div></div><div class="im" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></font></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="h5" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><br><br></div></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Chris Tuck<br>-Undergrad-UIUC<br> Political Science, Philosophy, Physics.<br><br>-Carroll Fire Dept.<br> Firefighter/EMT-B<br><br>-ISO Champaign<br><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>This message has been scanned for viruses and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>dangerous content by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>believed to be clean.</div></div></div><br><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>This message has been scanned for viruses and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>dangerous content by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>believed to be clean.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br />--
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