<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Well, it's for the same reason that other big complicated machines are expensive -- combines, telescopes like the Hubble, planetarium projectors like Adler's or Parkland's... and most med facilities pay for them by charging patients and their ins companies for their use. This would all go away for individuals and their for-huge-profits ins companies if we got rid of the latter and replaced them entirely w/ government funded plans... but that would be socialized medicine, unacceptable to those wanting less gov't involved (while wanting yet more gov't involved -- medicare, overturning Roe v Wade, etc). Welcome to the Rabbit Hole.<div> --Jenifer<br><div><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 4/19/10, E.Wayne Johnson <i><ewj@pigs.ag></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: E.Wayne
Johnson <ewj@pigs.ag><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] a critique of american medicine and theflexner report<br>To: <br>Cc: "peace discuss" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br>Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 1:28 AM<br><br><div id="yiv1890795200">
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Why are MRI's and CTs expensive?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The machines are sitting there. The
technician is there. Those</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">are sunk costs. Does an MRI machine degrade
by some fraction every time</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">it is used? Does a CT machine use a lot of
expendibles causing the high cost?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">People seem to be so mystified by doctors that they
dont ask any questions.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">They are also terrified that if they dont pay
tribute to the medical industrial complex,</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">their doctors will let them die.</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="jencart13@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer
Cartwright</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu" ymailto="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu">Stuart Levy</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="ewj@pigs.ag" ymailto="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=ewj@pigs.ag">E.Wayne Johnson</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace discuss</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 19, 2010 12:05
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] a critique
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<td valign="top">Sometimes doctors recommend expensive procedures such as
MRIs or CT Scans to rule out e g CA, stroke, heart attack. If the
results are positive, I guess the procedures were necessary, but if
they're negative, then I guess they weren't, huh?
<div> --Jenifer<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 4/18/10, E.Wayne Johnson
<i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</a>></i></b>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;"><br>From:
E.Wayne Johnson <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</a>><br>Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] a critique of american medicine and theflexner
report<br>To: "Stuart Levy" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu">slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu</a>><br>Cc:
"peace discuss" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>Date:
Sunday, April 18, 2010, 4:21 PM<br><br>
<div class="plainMail">actually some people do just what Baker says,
going to India for some surgeries<br>and to other countries like China
for dental care. I know of people who come back to China to have
their teeth fixed and they can save enough money to pay for their air
ticket and get a visit with the family to boot.<br><br>I dont agree
with every thing the guy says but he makes some interesting
points.<br><br>Insurance has indeed led to many abuses. On a
couple of occasions members of my family were requested to have
unnecessary and costly examinations and we were given as a defense,
"your insurance will pay for it".<br><br><br>----- Original Message
----- From: "Stuart Levy" <<a rel="nofollow">slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu</a>><br>To:
"E.Wayne Johnson" <<a rel="nofollow">ewj@pigs.ag</a>><br>Cc: "peace
discuss" <<a rel="nofollow">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>Sent:
Monday, April 19, 2010 4:58 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] a
critique of american medicine and theflexner report<br><br><br>> On
Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 03:51:38AM +0800, E.Wayne Johnson
wrote:<br>>> My contention has long been that one of the primary
problems with medical<br>>> care in the USA is that there are
too few providers and that the number of<br>>> health care
providers is held low artificially by the deceit of the AMA.
I<br>>> have suggested a drastic loosening of the standards to
promote more<br>>> providers. There havent been many
takers for my notions, but here someone<br>>> examines the
history of medicine and the Flexner report and the fake
reform<br>>> of Obama and Co.<br>>> <br>>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mises.org/daily/4276">http://mises.org/daily/4276</a><br>> <br>>
Actually, economist Dean Baker agrees with you on this -- at least
that<br>> US medical providers are deliberately being kept scarce,
and that<br>> this raises the cost of medical care. He's said
a number of times<br>> that any consistent supporter of free trade
should oppose this highly<br>> protectionist policy.<br>>
<br>> Baker also promotes medical tourism as a way to provide
competition<br>> to the overpriced US system, though I'm uneasy
with this.<br>> It seems as though it would entice medical tourist
destinations'<br>> providers to flock to (likely better-paying)
private tourist clinics,<br>> at the expense of their own domestic
medical systems.<br>> <br>> <br>> There are some pretty
half-baked things in this Mises article though.<br>> For-profit
hospitals have better incentives than nonprofit ones<br>> to
control costs? Not in our system, where costs and
effectiveness<br>> are not transparent. Insurance of routine
procedures leads to<br>> overuse of services? Has the author
never heard of the effectiveness<br>> of preventive care, or the
value of public health measures?<br>> <br><br><br>-- This message
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