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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:15 PM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span> wrote:</div>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">So why don't we use the vestiges of democratic process that remain?<br><br>No one gets (re)elected to the Champaign City Council unless s/he pledges to<br>
dismiss Finney & Norbits and reform a corrupt police department.<br></blockquote>
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<div>And dismiss Steve Carter as well? His 25 years of service to the City of Champaign was just recently celebrated, was it not?</div>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">We can make a lot of noise about that. It should be the central issue in every<br>upcoming council election. There surely is nothing of equal importance. --CGE</blockquote>
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<div>Sure, we'll make our noise. The only problem is that a MAJORITY of Champaign citizens probably don't view the Champaign Police Department as riddled with corruption. They probably see the P.D. as doing a pretty good job of keeping them and their families and possessions safe.</div>
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<div>I'd be happy to be proved wrong.</div>
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<div class="im">On 4/25/10 7:29 PM, John W. wrote:<br></div>
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<div class="im"><br>On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:53 PM, E.Wayne Johnson <<a href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" target="_blank">ewj@pigs.ag</a><br></div>
<div class="im"><mailto:<a href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" target="_blank">ewj@pigs.ag</a>>> wrote:<br><br>Barbara, Because most of us are Principle Motivated, we often forget that<br>others, particularly those in positions of authority and ability, are not<br>
Principle Motivated, but are rather Money Motivated. I can hardly imagine a<br>more Money Motivated group than the City of Champaign. They may have a heart<br>of pure stone, but their pocketbook is made of glass. If you can drive a big<br>
enough stake into their hip pocket you can make them hurt enough to get the<br>reforms you are looking for. Carter and his cronies dont give a ripe red<br>rat's ass about peace and justice but after they feel the sting of a huge<br>
financial hit, they will change their attitude.<br><br>And how is that going to happen, Wayne? Any financial settlement resulting<br>from a civil lawsuit will come out of the pockets of We the Taxpayers. Steve<br>Carter isn't gonna feel a damned thing. You've apparently never had a career<br>
where you were able to count on a virtually unlimited supply of Other<br>People's Money.<br><br>The Plaintiffs need the meanest noisiest lawyer that money can buy.<br><br>----- Original Message ----- *From:* Barbara kessel<br>
</div><mailto:<a href="mailto:barkes@gmail.com" target="_blank">barkes@gmail.com</a>> *To:* Jenifer Cartwright<br><mailto:<a href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>> *Cc:* Peace-discuss List<br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> *Sent:* Monday, April 26, 2010 1:38
<div class="im"><br>AM *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Announce] And the FOP's response<br>toNorbits'suspension<br><br>Jennifer and interested others, Just a reminder that of the difference<br>between a civil suit and a criminal suit. What Norbitz (and Finney) did or<br>
did not do is relevant to "wrongful death," but it only results in money to<br>those who bring the suit, not to punishment of anyone. That would require a<br>revised finding by the States Attorney who has already declared it an<br>
"accident," not involving "negligence." Or a higher authority than the<br>county, bringing some person(s) to court on criminal charges. That is my<br>latest understanding at least and I am happy to be corrected, if that is not<br>
accurate. However, we are not just "waiting." There has been much research<br>and work on the public policies that inform this entire situation of the<br>"police culture." Stay tuned or come to the Champaign City Council (Tuesday<br>
nights) and the Human Relations Commission (evening of MAy 3). Come to the<br>CUCPJ forum on Thursday, MAy 6, at the IMC. More on that soon. Barbara Kessel<br></div></blockquote></blockquote><br>
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