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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I agree John. I think that the police in
Champaign are doing exactly what the citizens want</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and some of them would help Norbits file a notch in
his gun.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>"My shots are clean, and my shots are
Final.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My shots are deadly and when its done</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You're as stiff as my smoking barrel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You're as dead as the desert night</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You're and I'm a Legend</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You're at Peace and...." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- Alice Cooper</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I think there is some fear of running our of money
in Champaign.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>And a big settlement does get people's
attention.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jbw292002@gmail.com href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com">John W.</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=galliher@illinois.edu
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">C. G. Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=ewj@pigs.ag
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">E.Wayne Johnson</A> ; <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</A> ; <A
title=barkes@gmail.com href="mailto:barkes@gmail.com">Barbara kessel</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 26, 2010 2:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Announce]
And the FOP's responsetoNorbits'suspension</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:15 PM, C. G. Estabrook <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</A>></SPAN>
wrote:</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>So why don't we use the vestiges of democratic process
that remain?<BR><BR>No one gets (re)elected to the Champaign City Council
unless s/he pledges to<BR>dismiss Finney & Norbits and reform a corrupt
police department.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And dismiss Steve Carter as well? His 25 years of service to the
City of Champaign was just recently celebrated, was it not?</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>We can make a lot of noise about that. It should be
the central issue in every<BR>upcoming council election. There surely is
nothing of equal importance. --CGE</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Sure, we'll make our noise. The only problem is that a MAJORITY of
Champaign citizens probably don't view the Champaign Police Department as
riddled with corruption. They probably see the P.D. as doing a pretty
good job of keeping them and their families and possessions safe.</DIV>
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<DIV>I'd be happy to be proved wrong.</DIV>
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<DIV class=im>On 4/25/10 7:29 PM, John W. wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=im><BR>On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:53 PM, E.Wayne Johnson <<A
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" target=_blank>ewj@pigs.ag</A><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=im><mailto:<A href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag"
target=_blank>ewj@pigs.ag</A>>> wrote:<BR><BR>Barbara, Because most
of us are Principle Motivated, we often forget that<BR>others,
particularly those in positions of authority and ability, are
not<BR>Principle Motivated, but are rather Money Motivated. I can hardly
imagine a<BR>more Money Motivated group than the City of Champaign.
They may have a heart<BR>of pure stone, but their pocketbook is made
of glass. If you can drive a big<BR>enough stake into their hip
pocket you can make them hurt enough to get the<BR>reforms you are looking
for. Carter and his cronies dont give a ripe red<BR>rat's ass about
peace and justice but after they feel the sting of a huge<BR>financial
hit, they will change their attitude.<BR><BR>And how is that going to
happen, Wayne? Any financial settlement resulting<BR>from a civil
lawsuit will come out of the pockets of We the Taxpayers.
Steve<BR>Carter isn't gonna feel a damned thing. You've
apparently never had a career<BR>where you were able to count on a
virtually unlimited supply of Other<BR>People's Money.<BR><BR>The
Plaintiffs need the meanest noisiest lawyer that money can
buy.<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- *From:* Barbara
kessel<BR></DIV><mailto:<A href="mailto:barkes@gmail.com"
target=_blank>barkes@gmail.com</A>> *To:* Jenifer
Cartwright<BR><mailto:<A href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>jencart13@yahoo.com</A>> *Cc:* Peace-discuss
List<BR><mailto:<A href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
target=_blank>peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>> *Sent:* Monday,
April 26, 2010 1:38
<DIV class=im><BR>AM *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Announce] And the
FOP's response<BR>toNorbits'suspension<BR><BR>Jennifer and interested
others, Just a reminder that of the difference<BR>between a civil suit and
a criminal suit. What Norbitz (and Finney) did or<BR>did not do is
relevant to "wrongful death," but it only results in money to<BR>those who
bring the suit, not to punishment of anyone. That would require
a<BR>revised finding by the States Attorney who has already declared it
an<BR>"accident," not involving "negligence." Or a higher authority
than the<BR>county, bringing some person(s) to court on criminal charges.
That is my<BR>latest understanding at least and I am happy to be
corrected, if that is not<BR>accurate. However, we are not just "waiting."
There has been much research<BR>and work on the public policies that
inform this entire situation of the<BR>"police culture." Stay tuned or
come to the Champaign City Council (Tuesday<BR>nights) and the Human
Relations Commission (evening of MAy 3). Come to the<BR>CUCPJ forum on
Thursday, MAy 6, at the IMC. More on that soon. Barbara
Kessel<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>-- <BR>This message has been
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