<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Good debate. Lessig position on Kagan: Trust her (as we trusted Obama?)…<div>She smells ugly to me, smart and unprincipled, like Clinton or Obama, or with the lousy principles, like Clinton or Obama. Maybe that's why Obama has confidence in her. </div><div><br></div><div>I thought it interesting that Qumsiyeh noticed that with her on the court, there will be six pro-zionists there. </div><div><br></div><div>A pig in a poke! </div><div><br></div><div>--mkb</div><div><br><div><div>On May 12, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>PS </div><div>The debate on Kagan's nomination by Greenwald and Lessig continued today on DN!</div><div><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/12/glenn_greenwald_v_lawrence_lessig_a">http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/12/glenn_greenwald_v_lawrence_lessig_a</a><br></div><div> --Jenifer</div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br>--- On <b>Tue, 5/11/10, Jenifer Cartwright <i><<a href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Jenifer Cartwright <<a href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] M.K.B. has forwarded an article to you from <a href="http://CommonDreams.org">CommonDreams.org</a>: Kagan in Context: Shafting Progressive Values<br>To: "Morton K. Brussel" <<a href="mailto:mkb3@mac.com">mkb3@mac.com</a>><br>Cc: "Peace-discuss" <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>Date:
Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 3:49 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1934265299"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;"><div><br></div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; ">That's what makes a horse race, I guess. </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">Here's Greenwald again on Rachel Maddow last nite...</span></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><a rel="nofollow">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#37074824</a><br></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><a rel="nofollow"></a>and (same show) Lawrence Lessig rebutting</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><a rel="nofollow">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#37074947</a></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">which again evens things out pro and con...</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">Bottom line: The Repubs are raising such a stink against Obama's mainstream nominees that a true progressive wouldn't stand a chance of being confirmed... plus another liberal judge wouldn't move the court to the left anyhow -- it'd still be 4 against 4, with Kennedy still siding w/ the conservatives most of the time. So the Admin's strategy seems to nominate someone who has a chance of making headway w/ Kennedy at least some of the time, persuade him to vote w/ the liberals, and keep the Court from moving any farther to the right than it already has.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">Yeah, it sucks, we can agree on that for sure.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"> --Jenifer</span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><br>--- On <b>Mon, 5/10/10, Morton K. Brussel <i><<a href="mailto:mkb3@mac.com">mkb3@mac.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><br>From: Morton K. Brussel <<a href="mailto:mkb3@mac.com">mkb3@mac.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] M.K.B. has forwarded an article to you from <a href="http://CommonDreams.org">CommonDreams.org</a>: Kagan in Context: Shafting Progressive Values<br>To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <<a href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 8:03 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1983991668">Sorry to disagree. Greenwald demolished Raskins nebulous comments IMO, and Amy tried to find something good by emphasizing, as is her wont, that Kagan
may be good on homosexual issues. Greenwald took this down, too--mkb<div><br><div><div>On May 10, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;">Greenwald's analysis was harsh, but I tho't both Amy and her other guest,<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);line-height:16px;"> law professor Jamin Raskin neutralized much of his criticism w/ their comments. An interesting exchange, check it out at </span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);line-height:16px;"><u><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/10/progressives_divided_over_obamas_nomination_of">www.democracynow.org/2010/5/10/progressives_divided_over_obamas_nomination_of</a></u></span></div><div><div> --Jenifer</div><div><br></div><div>--- On <b>Mon, 5/10/10, Morton K. Brussel <i><<a rel="nofollow">brussel@illinois.edu</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><br>From: Morton K. Brussel <<a rel="nofollow">brussel@illinois.edu</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] M.K.B. has forwarded an article to you from <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://CommonDreams.org/">CommonDreams.org</a>: Kagan in Context: Shafting Progressive Values<br>To: <a rel="nofollow">mkb3@mac.com</a><br>Cc: <a rel="nofollow">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 11:26 AM<br><br><div id="yiv670235089">A lively discussion which shows what a flake Kagan is
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