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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Since when does one need an explanation for an opinion
or even a justification for having one? It never stopped you (or me or
Carl or anyone else). Most people typically make flat statements until
someone asks them for an explanation or justification supporting the substance
of their opinion. Did anyone ask her for an explanation? When I read
the story, I thought that there were several implicit reasons why she held the
opinion that she did (although you might not finds her implied reasons
compelling) as to why she felt that China was better than the US and held out a
better hope for the future than the US. As for her opinion on the Cultural
Revolution experience as quoted in the article, she does not offer any
justification or explanation as to why she supported it (although others can and
have offered a number of very good reasons for supporting it or why it was
needed or beneficial) except to say it was a "terrific experience" and that is
the only reason she needs. Moreover, she does not need to explain why she
found it to be a "terrific experience." </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I must have missed something in the discussion,
Who is this Alice that Wayne brings up?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jbw292002@gmail.com
href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com">John W.</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 13, 2010 3:27 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ewj@pigs.ag href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">E.Wayne
Johnson</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] An instructive life</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:34 PM, E.Wayne Johnson <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</A>></SPAN> wrote:</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>Alice says that China is better than the USA when
asked.<BR><BR>Alice offers no explanation for her flatly stated opinion.
(Zhongguo hao.) </BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I found the article merely interesting until I got to the final
sentence: "Of course I was 100 percent behind everything that happened in
the Cultural Revolution — it was a terrific experience.”</DIV>
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<DIV>Good Lord.</DIV>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR><BR>[In 2005 Hinton wrote, “There are two opposing
superpowers in the world today:<BR>the U.S. on one side, and world public
opinion on the other. The first thrives<BR>on war. The second demands peace
and social justice.” --CGE]<BR><BR># The New York Times<BR>June 11,
2010<BR>Joan Hinton, Physicist Who Chose China Over Atom Bomb, Is Dead at
88<BR>By WILLIAM GRIMES<BR><BR>Joan Hinton, a physicist who worked on the
Manhattan Project, which developed<BR>the atom bomb, but spent most of her
life as a committed Maoist working on dairy<BR>farms in China, died on Tuesday
in Beijing. She was 88.<BR><BR>The cause has not yet been determined, but she
had an abdominal aneurysm, her<BR>son Bill Engst said.<BR><BR>Ms. Hinton was
recruited for the Manhattan Project in February 1944 while still<BR>a graduate
student in physics at the University of Wisconsin. At the secret<BR>laboratory
at Los Alamos, N.M., where she worked with Enrico Fermi, she was<BR>assigned
to a team that built two reactors for testing enriched uranium
and<BR>plutonium.<BR><BR>When the first atom bomb was detonated near
Alamogordo, N.M., on July 16, 1945,<BR>she and a colleague, riding a
motorcycle, dodged Army jeep patrols and hid near<BR>a small hill about 25
miles from the blast point to witness the event.<BR><BR>“We first felt the
heat on our faces, then we saw what looked like a sea of<BR>light,” she told
The South China Morning Post in 2008. “It was gradually sucked<BR>into an
awful purple glow that went up and up into a mushroom cloud. It
looked<BR>beautiful as it lit up the morning sun.”<BR><BR>Ms. Hinton thought
that the bomb would be used for a demonstration explosion to<BR>force a
Japanese surrender. After the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
she<BR>became an outspoken peace activist. She sent the mayors of every major
city in<BR>the United States a small glass case filled with glassified desert
sand and a<BR>note asking whether they wanted their cities to suffer the same
fate.<BR><BR>In 1948, alarmed at the emerging cold war, she gave up physics
and left the<BR>United States for China, then in the throes of a Communist
revolution she<BR>wholeheartedly admired. “I did not want to spend my life
figuring out how to<BR>kill people,” she told National Public Radio in 2002.
“I wanted to figure out<BR>how to let people have a better life, not a worse
life.”<BR><BR>In China she met her future husband, Erwin Engst, a
Cornell-trained dairy-cattle<BR>expert, who went on to work on dairy farms as
a breeder while she designed and<BR>built machinery. During the Cultural
Revolution, they were editors and<BR>translators in Beijing.<BR><BR>Ms. Hinton
applied her scientific talents to perfecting a continuous-flow<BR>automatic
milk pasteurizer and other machines. For the past 40 years, she worked<BR>on a
dairy farm and an agricultural station outside Beijing, tending a herd
of<BR>about 200 cows.<BR><BR>Joan Chase Hinton was born on Oct. 20, 1921, in
Chicago. Her father, Sebastian<BR>Hinton, was a patent lawyer who invented the
jungle gym in 1920. Her mother,<BR>Carmelita Chase Hinton, founded the Putney
School, a progressive coeducational<BR>secondary school in Putney, Vt., which
Joan attended and where she excelled as a<BR>skier, qualifying for the United
States Olympic Team that would have competed in<BR>the 1940 games had they not
been canceled.<BR><BR>After earning a bachelor’s degree in natural science
from Bennington College in<BR>1942, she enrolled at the University of
Wisconsin, where she earned a doctorate<BR>in physics in 1944.<BR><BR>At Los
Alamos, teams were assigned to theoretical and practical work. Ms.<BR>Hinton,
assigned to practical work, piled beryllium blocks around the core of<BR>the
site’s first reactor and constructed electronic circuits for the
counters.<BR><BR>According to Ruth H. Howes and Caroline L. Herzenberg, the
authors of “Their Day<BR>in the Sun: Women of the Manhattan Project,” she then
helped design and<BR>construct the control rods for a second
reactor.<BR><BR>In her spare time, she played violin in a string quartet whose
members included<BR>the physicists Edward Teller and Otto Frisch.<BR><BR>After
the war she studied with Mr. Fermi as a fellow at the Institute for<BR>Nuclear
Studies at the University of Chicago and then left for China, where she<BR>met
and married Mr. Engst, who had been in the country since 1946
teaching<BR>agriculture and dairy-herd management.<BR><BR>Mr. Engst died in
2003. In addition to her son Bill, of Marlboro, N.J., she is<BR>survived by
another son, Fred Engst of Beijing; a daughter, Karen Engst of Pau,<BR>France;
and four grandchildren.<BR><BR>During the McCarthy era, Ms. Hinton’s name
surfaced as a possible spy and<BR>spiller of nuclear secrets after she spoke
at a peace conference in Beijing.<BR>Rear Adm. Ellis M. Zacharias denounced
her in a 1953 article for Real magazine<BR>titled “The Atom Spy Who Got
Away.”<BR><BR>An illustration depicted her as a furtive blonde in a trench
coat, taking notes<BR>as she observed a nuclear test. There was never any
evidence to show that Ms.<BR>Hinton passed secrets or did any work as a
physicist in China.<BR><BR>She and her husband remained true believers in the
Maoist cause.<BR><BR>“It would have been terrific if Mao had lived,” Ms.
Hinton told The Weekend<BR>Australian in 2008 during a trip to Japan. “Of
course I was 100 percent behind<BR>everything that happened in the Cultural
Revolution — it was a terrific experience.”<BR><BR><A
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