<html><head><base href="x-msg://51/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I guess I found it interesting, if not surprising, that Freud, living in Vienna where anti-semitism of a virulent kind probably existed, foresaw that the Zionist project of Hertzl would lead to the persecution of others. Einstein probably had similar understanding. And I found it notable that Qumsiyeh discovered this quotation. Did you know about it?<div><br></div><div>But why do you ask?</div><div><br></div><div>Glad to be back, in some ways. </div><div><br></div><div>Mort</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 5, 2010, at 5:47 PM, David Green wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">"Which I found interesting."</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Yes, but do you really know<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><em>why<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></em>you found it interesting?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Welcome back.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">DG<br><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Morton K. Brussel <<a href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Peace-discuss List <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mon, July 5, 2010 11:41:48 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Peace-discuss] Fwd: [HumanRights] In Vienna: Hitler and Hertzl vs Mozart, Popper, and Freud<br></font><br>Qumsiyeh was visiting Vienna, representing, as usual, the Palestinian cause,<br>and wrote:<br><br>> …But back to Hertzl who contributed to 110 years of conflict and suffering<br>> for millions of people. Hertzl wrote in his diaries that “Anti-Semites will<br>> become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.” Instead of<br>> working to better life for all people, he chose to mimic ethnocentric<br>> chauvinistic nationalism in Europe and export it to another land whose<br>> people had nothing to do with what was happening in Europe. Another famous<br>> Austrian Jew, father of psychoanalysis Sigmund Freud, rejected Zionism<br>> because it has within it the same seeds of human frailty that he could<br>> easily comprehend. To wit, Freud wrote once to a Zionist who tried to<br>> recruit him:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> *“I cannot do as you wish. I am unable to overcome my aversion to burdening<br>> the public with my name, and even the present critical time does not seem to<br>> me to warrant it. Whoever wants to influence the masses must give them<br>> something rousing and inflammatory and my sober judgment of Zionism does not<br>> permit this. I certainly sympathize with its goals, am proud of our<br>> University in Jerusalem and am delighted with our settlement’s prosperity.<br>> But, on the other hand, I do not think that Palestine could ever become a<br>> Jewish state, nor that the Christian and Islamic worlds would ever be<br>> prepared to have their holy places under Jewish care. It would have seemed<br>> more sensible to me to establish a Jewish homeland on a less<br>> historically-burdened land. But I know that such a rational viewpoint would<br>> never have gained the enthusiasm of the masses and the financial support of<br>> the wealthy. I concede with sorrow that the baseless fanaticism of our<br>> people is in part to be blamed for the awakening of Arab distrust. I can<br>> raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece<br>> of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of<br>> the natives. Now judge for yourself whether I, with such a critical point of<br>> view, am the right person to come forward as the solace of a people deluded<br>> by unjustified hope.”*<br><br>Which I found interesting.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>--mkb<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br></div></div></div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>