<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Maybe it's time for AWARE Films to re-screen <b><i>Sir, No Sir!</i></b><div><b><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; "><div> --Jenifer</div></span></i></b><br>--- On <b>Tue, 7/13/10, David Green <i><davegreen84@yahoo.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: David Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] U.S troop rebellion in Vietnam<br>To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher@illinois.edu><br>Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br>Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 7:45 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1393957038"><style type="text/css"><!--#yiv1393957038 DIV {margin:0px;}--></style><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div>If I ever saw
these numbers, I wouldn't have guessed their magnitude.</div>
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<div>By the way, that's "Restrepo".<br></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> C. G. Estabrook <galliher@illinois.edu><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> David Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Peace Discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, July 13, 2010 6:46:54 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Peace-discuss] U.S troop rebellion in Vietnam<br></font><br>
Part of the living memory of those years even if not in the history <br>books/official propaganda - but it's interesting to put some numbers on it.<br><br>Thanks for this. I hadn't seen it. --CGE<br><br>On 7/13/10 5:03 PM, <span id="lw_1279068181_0" class="yshortcuts">David Green</span> wrote:<br>> Part of a critical discussion of Restropo:<br>><br>> As the American War in Vietnam staggered to a close, U.S. troops were in an open<br>> state of rebellion. Fraggings -- attacks on commanders (often by /frag/mentation<br>> grenade) -- were rising, so was the escape into drug use. Troops bucked orders,<br>> mutinied, and regularly undertook "search and evade" missions, holing up in safe<br>> spots while calling in false coordinates.<br>><br>> AWOLs and desertions went through the roof. During World War II, Marine Corps<br>> desertion rates peaked at 8.8 per 1,000 in 1943. In 1972, the last full year of<br>> U.S. combat in
<span id="lw_1279068181_1" class="yshortcuts">Vietnam</span>, the Marines had a desertion rate of 65.3 per 1,000. And<br>> precious few Marines were even in Vietnam at that point. AWOL rates were also<br>> staggering -- 166.4 per 1,000 for the much more numerous Army and 170 per 1,000<br>> for the Marines. In a widely-read 1971 /Armed Forces Journal/ article, retired<br>> Colonel Robert D. Heinl, Jr., wrote, "By every conceivable indicator, our army<br>> that now remains in Vietnam is in a state of approaching collapse, with<br>> individual units avoiding or having refused combat, murdering their officers and<br>> <span id="lw_1279068181_2" class="yshortcuts">noncommissioned officers</span>, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near-mutinous."<br>><br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07/13-11"><span id="lw_1279068181_3"
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