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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You are right about moderate inflation being a
result of a growing economy. But that is where</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>there is increasing real productivity. If the
government is inflating by devaluing the currency as they </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>did in the long decline of Rome to fund various
absurdities (like the f in war), that isn't real productivity.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I just enquired with one local worker here and he
said he is fine other than a cough from a cold he had earlier in the
week</FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>He vigourously denied that the persistence of his
cough is the result of poor health care.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Actually it looks like to me that in the future the
world will be buying cheap artificial goods from Africa as the factories move
there...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I believe that the 90% likelihood of
manufacturing returning to the States is zero. That gives me some wiggle
room.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=davegreen84@yahoo.com href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">David
Green</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ewj@pigs.ag
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">E.Wayne Johnson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] How to win
in November: jobs & income</DIV>
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<DIV>In capitalistic terms, a devaluation will make American-produced goods
more competitive. Whether that works in the era of financial capitalism and
consumer debt, I don't know. But moderate inflation is a sign of a growing
(capitalist) economy. And there's ways to tax that will shift the burden of
inflation upward. Beyond that, public health care is the only serious source
of inflation in our economy, and of course war would be causing inflationary
pressures as it did with Vietnam, if our economy was in that good of a shape.
So the answers to your concerns lie elsewhere than in the maintenance of
artificially cheap goods from China at the expense of their workers
well-being.</DIV>
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<DIV>DG<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> E.Wayne Johnson
<ewj@pigs.ag><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> David
Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN
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<peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><BR><B><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>How so? Inflation is a regressively
structured tax on the entire population.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Are you hoping that Inflation will kill the Evil
Empire and end the wars or</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>do you have some other hope in mind?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><EM><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It looks like to me that a readjustment of
the dollar downward and the RMB upward is inevitable.</FONT></EM></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In this case, I think "inevitable" means "a good
thing."</FONT></P>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> E.Wayne Johnson <<A
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> David Green <<A
href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>>; John
W. <<A href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com">jbw292002@gmail.com</A>>; C. G.
Estabrook <<A href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow
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<DIV><EM>No, probably not. But I don't think the deficit (or the
cumulative national debt) is in any way "chimerical" I think it's very
real, and the interest on it alone saps something like a third of all the
income taxes we Americans pay. We owe real money to real lenders; or
else the Fed is simply printing money, which devalues the currency and
creates inflation. Either way or both ways, there's nothing chimerical
about it.</EM></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial>About 2 trillion of US government debt is held by the
Chinese, who recently downgraded the quality of that paper from AAA to
AA. The Chinese wont willingly buy more US debt.</FONT></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial>The current rate of inflation is about 6%. It
is currently misreported as about 2.5% via the trick called geometric
adjustment of the CPI. An accurate reporting of inflation will cause
mass chaos so they dont dare tell the truth.</FONT></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial>At an AWARE meeting several months ago I made the
statement that the value of the US dollar would fall by 50% in the next
year. If one considers the price of gold as a measure of the value of
the dollar, indeed the dollar has lost about 50% of its value, howbeit it
took longer than I said it was going to. Part of that loss in value
has been mediated somewhat by trading in virtual gold (gold that doesnt
exist). The Chinese recently also stated that the dollar has lost 50%
of its value, and are no longer buying Treasury bills but are buying
gold like its going out of style. They have chosen print
Renminbi at the same rate that the Fed prints dollars thus maintaining the
peg to the dollar. </FONT></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial>There was somewhat of a sell off of Treasury bills by the
Chinese some time back but they seem to have agreed to desist rather than
shake the house down.</FONT></DIV>
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any event, deficit spending now is needed to put people to work, and
eventually bring the deficit in line with historical levels. Given the
shortage of demand, there is no concern about inflation--in fact,
deflation is more of a concern. Our currency needs to be devalued in
relation to the Chinese, but that will only make domestic products more
competitive. Again, that's a different (but related)
issue.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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size=2 face=Arial>The RMB has been historically drastically undervalued
relative to the dollar. There was a small adjustment some time back
from 8.2xxx to 6.8xxx. The black market rate used to be 10 while
the bank would give 8.23xx. No one in China much wants dollars
presently. Devaluing the dollar will harm Chinese exports but
cause Americans to pay more for what they buy, and the Chinese will pay
less for the raw materials and feedstuffs they buy. US debt is
no longer considered to be a safe haven. It looks like to me that a
readjustment of the dollar downward and the RMB upward is
inevitable.</FONT></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> John W.
<jbw292002@gmail.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> C. G. Estabrook
<galliher@illinois.edu><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> peace discuss
<Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, July 14, 2010 10:18:25
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Peace-discuss] How to win in November: jobs &
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:27 PM, C. G. Estabrook
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
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wrote:</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>"...beyond the scope of this post"?! Come on, John.
When did you think anything to be beyond the scope of your
posts?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>*smile*</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>You're right that Americans are much more concerned
about jobs than about the deficit - in spite of all that Republicans and
Democrats and the entire MSM can do to get them worried about the
chimerical deficit - but Americans doubt (correctly) that the war is
producing many jobs. Our mercenary army, of course, and some arms
manufacturing jobs - but they'd be there anyway. (Israel e.g. needs
weapons.) Americans' first reaction to an announcement that the US
is withdrawing its troops from the Mideast would not be, "Oh, no, there
go our jobs!"<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>No, probably not. But I don't think the deficit (or the
cumulative national debt) is in any way "chimerical" I think it's
very real, and the interest on it alone saps something like a third of all
the income taxes we Americans pay. We owe real money to real
lenders; or else the Fed is simply printing money, which devalues the
currency and creates inflation. Either way or both ways, there's
nothing chimerical about it.</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>In fact a withdrawal of US expeditionary forces abroad
would produce a clamor for "building up our defenses" - and probably
scotch any attempt (like the Barney Frank-Ron Paul proposal) to reduce
the military.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Probably. Because we (collectively) still believe in the
"terrorist" bogeyman, and have absolutely no concept of how American
foreign policy creates and sustains what terrorists there are around the
world.</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>How about spending the money going to war actually to
hire people (maybe even to do useful work, like building mass transit)?
The $33.5 billion "supplemental" war budget the House just passed
would pay a lot of wages and salaries - more than it's doing through the
profit-heavy "defense" industries.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Well, of course I agree with you here. But apparently a
majority of Americans don't....or at least our "leaders" don't.</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>We need a movement (in any political party) that
demands the federal government provide a living-wage job to anyone who
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<DIV>Though I think your suggestion here is overly simplistic, it would be
lovely.</DIV>
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<DIV class=im>On 7/14/10 9:02 PM, John W. wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=im><BR>On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, C. G. Estabrook
<<A href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=h5><mailto:<A href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</A>>>
wrote:<BR><BR>[And no one believes any more that the Democrats will
provide that. People<BR>are beginning to notice that the war is making
us poor. --CGE]<BR><BR>I think not, Carl. The reality is that
war generally creates jobs but adds<BR>to the deficit. America's
loss of jobs over the past 30 years is due, not to<BR>war, but to
other factors beyond the scope of this post. Since according
to<BR>the poll Americans are much more concerned about jobs than about
the deficit,<BR>this would support the very opposite of your tortured
reasoning.<BR><BR>Americans Really Care About Jobs; Deficit, Not so
Much By: Jon Walker<BR>Wednesday July 14, 2010 8:01 am<BR><BR>While
collective deficit hysteria fully grips Washington, what the
American<BR>people really care about is jobs and the economy.
According to a new CBS News<BR>poll, 38 percent of Americans think the
most important problem facing our<BR>country is the economy and jobs.
Second is the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan<BR>at seven percent. Health
care comes in third at about six percent, and all<BR>the way back in
fourth place, with a mere five percent, is the budget deficit<BR>and
national debt.<BR><BR>I have said it before, but since members of
Congress are descending into<BR>highly destructive deficit insanity,
it needs to be said again. The American<BR>people don’t really care
about the deficit. They consider it to be an issue<BR>that should
eventually get addressed but is a low priority right now. As<BR>common
sense would dictate, with almost 10 percent official unemployment
and<BR>a serious problem of long-term unemployment, what the American
people care<BR>about is jobs.<BR><BR>When the poll specifically asked
people for the most important economic<BR>problem facing the country,
the top response, again at 38 percent, was jobs<BR>and unemployment.
That number is even slightly higher when you consider that<BR>three
percent chose the issue of jobs going overseas. The collective topic
of<BR>budget, national debt and government spending was the top
priority for only<BR>10 percent of the country.<BR><BR>For Washington
politicians to obsess about the deficit at the expense of
job<BR>creation and protection is clearly not what most Americans want
their leaders<BR>to do. Doing the opposite of what the voters want is
an even worse political<BR>move, considering that increasing average
real disposable income is a<BR>significant predictor of how well the
incumbent party will do in the next<BR>election. So, refusing to
extend unemployment insurance, continue COBRA<BR>subsidies and provide
aid to local governments to prevent massive teacher<BR>layoffs right
before an election is a bad move for the party in power. It is<BR>even
worse because the main excuse given for the focus on the deficit,
bond<BR>vigilantes, is nothing more than a Washington, DC fever dream
with no basis<BR>in reality. The cost of American borrowing is still
much lower than even a<BR>few years ago.<BR><BR>So, this deficit
hysteria is not only misguided policy and morally cruel but<BR>also
extremely bad politics. The pollsters and political advisers who
have<BR>convinced Democrats to focus on the issue at the expense of
aiding regular<BR>Americans are either secretly trying to destroy the
party or are incompetent.<BR>Either way, they should have been fired
yesterday.<BR><BR><A
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