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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</a>></span> wrote:</div>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">The whole Society-by-Proxy thing rubs me the wrong way.<br><br>Doesn't it occur to anyone that it's pretty damn strange that the police power<br>
is invoked rather than the people in the society communicating with each other?<br><br>That there is this knee-jerk response to call the cops rather than manage the problem<br>directly and locally is incredibly strange to me.<br>
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<div>Right you are, Wayne. If we think our neighbor's house is being broken into, we should all just run over there with our Glocks and start blastin' away!</div>
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<div class="im">On 7/19/2010 12:29 PM, Marti Wilkinson wrote:<br></div>
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<div class="im">Al Johnston (hubby of Julia Rietz) lost a fully loaded gun driving out of Cherry Hills, and they still haven't found it yet. The News-Gazette sat on the story until after Julia got re-elected. I wouldn't be surprised if that gun is found at the scene of a crime.<br>
<br>Champaign cops often run on a 'see no evil; hear no evil' type of protocol. So I wouldn't be surprised if a bad driver got away with mischief in Cherry Hills. However, if this became a daily practice and enough people got pissed off then the police would act. If what happened in Hessel Park was an isolated one-time occurrence I wouldn't expect much to be done.<br>
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<div class="im">On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:48 AM, David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br> I understand what you're saying, of course, about general<br> differential policing. But people in Cherry Hills would certainly<br> expect a quick response from such a report, even if it was a<br> resident who was the offending party, and would be up in arms if<br>
they were treated dismissively, especially with license plate<br> information. It's just not analogous to a kid in CH being caught<br> with some weed.<br><br> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
*From:* Marti Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:martiwilki@gmail.com" target="_blank">martiwilki@gmail.com</a><br></div> <mailto:<a href="mailto:martiwilki@gmail.com" target="_blank">martiwilki@gmail.com</a>>>
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<div class="h5"><br> *Sent:* Sat, July 17, 2010 9:02:38 PM<br><br> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] Non-interaction with Champaign police<br><br> I'm saying that "better" neighborhoods are not as policed as<br>
aggressively. I grew up in Holiday Park (same neighborhood as the<br> mayor) and now live in Garden Hills, and there is a real<br> difference between how the areas are policed. You brought up the<br> situation with Kiwane Carrington - if this had been a couple of<br>
white kids in Cherry Hills - I doubt that the cops would have run<br> in with their guns out. Look at the difference in how a Cherry<br> Hills doctor, who stabbed her two sons killing one, and a black<br> janitor in Garden Hills was handled. In the latter case the guy<br>
was suicidal and the city sent the SWAT team after him.<br><br> If a white kid attending the University of Illinois is caught with<br> a bag of weed, he will probably face a misdemeanor charge. If a<br> black kid north of University Avenue gets caught with the same<br>
amount, it may well turn into a felony. Hence, if you want to be a<br> 'lunatic driver" you are more likely to get away with it around<br> Hessel Park than Douglass Park. An officer is more likely going to<br>
be a witness in areas north of University Ave to lunatic drivers,<br> which increases the likelihood of being apprehended.<br><br> As both Laurie and John pointed out there may be some procedural<br> aspects to this as well. What I suggest is contacting the members<br>
of the city council and sharing your story and concerns with them.<br> Then see what they have to say about this.<br><br> Marti<br><br> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Green<br></div></div>
<div class="im"> <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br> Are you saying that people in "better" neighborhoods don't<br>
want to be protected from lunatic drivers?<br><br> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> *From:* Marti Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:martiwilki@gmail.com" target="_blank">martiwilki@gmail.com</a><br>
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<div class="im"><br> *Sent:* Fri, July 16, 2010 10:40:28 PM<br> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] Non-interaction with Champaign police<br><br> "What accounts for this disinterest?"<br><br> In the language of real estate - "Location, Location,<br>
Location". If this had been north of University Ave the local<br> cops would have been on this in a heartbeat.<br><br> I suggest you contact the Champaign City Council and ask them<br> that question. Since they refused to have a civilian review<br>
board, and have appointed themselves as overseers on the<br> community, they would be the perfect people to ask. Or write a<br> letter to the News-Gazette and share your concerns over what<br> happened.<br>
<br> This reminds me that I once received an anonymous email from<br> someone a couple of years ago. This person lived in Cherry<br> Hills and wanted to file a noise complaint against a loud<br> party, tried to call the cops and no one responded. It's no<br>
secret that both Julia Rietz and her hubby live in that area.<br> Chief Finney lives in another McMansion subdivision close by.<br><br> Marti<br><br><br><br> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:56 PM, David Green<br>
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<div class="h5"> <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br>
This past Sunday, sometime between 6:00 and 6:30 in the<br> evening, I was walking around the paved track at Hessel<br> Park. As I approached the entrance to the park (north<br> side, Elm St.), I witnessed a white Mustang convertible<br>
with a young, white, male driver (along), speeding along<br> Grandview, the street the semi-circles the park from Kirby<br> to Elm to Kirby. He was travelling east towards Elm at at<br> least 60 mph. Again, this was on a nice evening with much<br>
activity at the park. His car spun out of control and he<br> careened off of Grandview into a front yard, coming to a<br> halt. He drove back out over the short embankment (there<br> are no sidewalks on Grandview), out back onto Grandview,<br>
and turned left, going North up Elm St. towards Hessel<br> Ave. He continued surpassing the speed limit. He did stop<br> at the stop sign at the corner of Hessel and Elm.<br> I caught his license plate, easier because it was<br>
personalized: STANGO 1. As I continued walking around the<br> park, I noticed a gentlemen on his cell phone. I assumed<br> he was calling the police, which was correct. I told him<br> the license plate. Shortly after, there was another man<br>
calling police, and I also told him the license plate.<br> Later in the evening, I called the CPD--the public number,<br> not 911. I informed the male answering the phone about my<br> experience, assuming he had already heard from the others.<br>
I offered myself as a witness. He wasn't particularly<br> interested. He told me that there had been no officers in<br> the area at the time of the incident, and gave me the<br> impression that the case was closed, unless other officers<br>
came across this driver during the evening.<br> I am no making moralistic judgments about this young man<br> driving the car. I have no idea what circumstances may<br> have prompted this behavior. Nevertheless, a car<br>
travelling at that speed and going out of control is<br> clearly life-threatening. If there had been someone in<br> that front yard, they could have been killed.<br> I am quite sure that STANGO 1 is a greater threat to<br>
public safety than Kiwane, the young man at Douglas Park,<br> and any number of others.<br> I assume that the CPD can access information on the basis<br> of the license plate, at least the residence of the owner<br>
of the car.<br> What accounts for this disinterest?<br> David Green</div></div></blockquote></blockquote>