<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Let me take this opportunity to agree with Wayne here:<br><br>Last summer, I think it was, one of my neighbors and I noticed folks we didn't know moving furniture out of another neighbor's house. <br><br>I remembered another friend's story about being away for a weekend when some people essentially moved into their house - robbed them blind, had a big party, etc. - and when they got back their neighbors told them: "Your friends had such a wild party!" <br><br>So my neighbor and I conferred quietly and neither of us recognized the people, so we just walked over with big smiles and said, "Nice day for a robbery," or some such thing. We got to talking and it was clear what was going on, it wasn't a robbery in progress, etc. And no cops were called. And nobody was shot. Imagine that.<br><br>These things can also get complicated
by - oh, say, racism.<br><br>Ricky Baldwin<br>
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"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 7/18/10, E. Wayne Johnson <i><ewj@pigs.ag></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj@pigs.ag><br>Subject: Re: [Discuss] [Peace-discuss] Non-interaction with Champaign police<br>To: "Marti Wilkinson" <martiwilki@gmail.com><br>Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>, "Community Courtwatch" <discuss@communitycourtwatch.org><br>Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 11:41 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">The whole Society-by-Proxy thing rubs me the wrong way.<br><br>Doesn't it occur to anyone that it's pretty damn strange that the police <br>power<br>is invoked rather than the people in the society communicating with each <br>other?<br><br>That there is this knee-jerk response to call the cops rather than <br>manage the problem<br>directly
and locally is incredibly strange to me.<br><br>But then again...uh...<br><br><br>On 7/19/2010 12:29 PM, Marti Wilkinson wrote:<br>> Al Johnston (hubby of Julia Rietz) lost a fully loaded gun driving <br>> out of Cherry Hills, and they still haven't found it yet. The <br>> News-Gazette sat on the story until after Julia got re-elected. I <br>> wouldn't be surprised if that gun is found at the scene of a crime.<br>><br>> Champaign cops often run on a 'see no evil; hear no evil' type of <br>> protocol. So I wouldn't be surprised if a bad driver got away with <br>> mischief in Cherry Hills. However, if this became a daily practice and <br>> enough people got pissed off then the police would act. If what <br>> happened in Hessel Park was an isolated one-time occurrence I wouldn't <br>> expect much to be done.<br>><br>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:48 AM, David Green <<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"
href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a> <br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> I understand what you're saying, of course, about general<br>> differential policing. But people in Cherry Hills would certainly<br>> expect a quick response from such a report, even if it was a<br>> resident who was the offending party, and would be up in arms if<br>> they were treated dismissively, especially with license plate<br>> information. It's just not analogous to a kid in CH being caught<br>> with some weed.<br>><br>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> *From:* Marti Wilkinson <<a ymailto="mailto:martiwilki@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=martiwilki@gmail.com">martiwilki@gmail.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:martiwilki@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=martiwilki@gmail.com">martiwilki@gmail.com</a>>><br>> *To:* David Green <<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>>><br>> *Cc:* Peace Discuss <<a ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="/mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>>
<mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="/mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>>; Discuss Courtwatch<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org" href="/mc/compose?to=discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org">discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org" href="/mc/compose?to=discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org">discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org</a>>><br>> *Sent:* Sat, July 17, 2010 9:02:38 PM<br>><br>> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] Non-interaction with Champaign police<br>><br>> I'm saying that "better" neighborhoods are not as policed as<br>> aggressively. I grew up in Holiday Park (same
neighborhood as the<br>> mayor) and now live in Garden Hills, and there is a real<br>> difference between how the areas are policed. You brought up the<br>> situation with Kiwane Carrington - if this had been a couple of<br>> white kids in Cherry Hills - I doubt that the cops would have run<br>> in with their guns out. Look at the difference in how a Cherry<br>> Hills doctor, who stabbed her two sons killing one, and a black<br>> janitor in Garden Hills was handled. In the latter case the guy<br>> was suicidal and the city sent the SWAT team after him.<br>><br>> If a white kid attending the University of Illinois is caught with<br>> a bag of weed, he will probably face a misdemeanor
charge. If a<br>> black kid north of University Avenue gets caught with the same<br>> amount, it may well turn into a felony. Hence, if you want to be a<br>> 'lunatic driver" you are more likely to get away with it around<br>> Hessel Park than Douglass Park. An officer is more likely going to<br>> be a witness in areas north of University Ave to lunatic drivers,<br>> which increases the likelihood of being apprehended.<br>><br>> As both Laurie and John pointed out there may be some procedural<br>> aspects to this as well. What I suggest is contacting the members<br>> of the city council and sharing your story and concerns with them.<br>> Then see what they have to say about
this.<br>><br>> Marti<br>><br>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Green<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> Are you saying that people in "better" neighborhoods don't<br>> want to be protected from lunatic drivers?<br>><br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> *From:* Marti Wilkinson <<a ymailto="mailto:martiwilki@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=martiwilki@gmail.com">martiwilki@gmail.com</a><br>>
<mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:martiwilki@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=martiwilki@gmail.com">martiwilki@gmail.com</a>>><br>> *To:* David Green <<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>>><br>> *Cc:* Discuss Courtwatch<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org" href="/mc/compose?to=discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org">discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org"
href="/mc/compose?to=discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org">discuss@lists.communitycourtwatch.org</a>>>; Peace Discuss<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="/mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="/mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>><br>> *Sent:* Fri, July 16, 2010 10:40:28 PM<br>> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] Non-interaction with Champaign police<br>><br>> "What accounts for this disinterest?"<br>><br>> In the language of real estate - "Location, Location,<br>>
Location". If this had been north of University Ave the local<br>> cops would have been on this in a heartbeat.<br>><br>> I suggest you contact the Champaign City Council and ask them<br>> that question. Since they refused to have a civilian review<br>> board, and have appointed themselves as overseers on the<br>> community, they would be the perfect people to ask. Or write a<br>> letter to the News-Gazette and share your concerns over what<br>> happened.<br>><br>> This reminds me that I once received an anonymous email from<br>> someone a couple of years ago. This
person lived in Cherry<br>> Hills and wanted to file a noise complaint against a loud<br>> party, tried to call the cops and no one responded. It's no<br>> secret that both Julia Rietz and her hubby live in that area.<br>> Chief Finney lives in another McMansion subdivision close by.<br>><br>> Marti<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:56 PM, David Green<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>>
This past Sunday, sometime between 6:00 and 6:30 in the<br>> evening, I was walking around the paved track at Hessel<br>> Park. As I approached the entrance to the park (north<br>> side, Elm St.), I witnessed a white Mustang convertible<br>> with a young, white, male driver (along), speeding along<br>> Grandview, the street the semi-circles the park from Kirby<br>> to Elm to Kirby. He was travelling east towards Elm at at<br>> least 60 mph. Again, this was on a nice evening with much<br>> activity
at the park. His car spun out of control and he<br>> careened off of Grandview into a front yard, coming to a<br>> halt. He drove back out over the short embankment (there<br>> are no sidewalks on Grandview), out back onto Grandview,<br>> and turned left, going North up Elm St. towards Hessel<br>> Ave. He continued surpassing the speed limit. He did stop<br>> at the stop sign at the corner of Hessel and Elm.<br>> I caught his license plate, easier because it was<br>> personalized: STANGO 1. As I continued walking around
the<br>> park, I noticed a gentlemen on his cell phone. I assumed<br>> he was calling the police, which was correct. I told him<br>> the license plate. Shortly after, there was another man<br>> calling police, and I also told him the license plate.<br>> Later in the evening, I called the CPD--the public number,<br>> not 911. I informed the male answering the phone about my<br>> experience, assuming he had already heard from the others.<br>> I offered myself as a witness. He wasn't particularly<br>>
interested. He told me that there had been no officers in<br>> the area at the time of the incident, and gave me the<br>> impression that the case was closed, unless other officers<br>> came across this driver during the evening.<br>> I am no making moralistic judgments about this young man<br>> driving the car. I have no idea what circumstances may<br>> have prompted this behavior. Nevertheless, a car<br>> travelling at that speed and going out of control is<br>> clearly life-threatening.
If there had been someone in<br>> that front yard, they could have been killed.<br>> I am quite sure that STANGO 1 is a greater threat to<br>> public safety than Kiwane, the young man at Douglas Park,<br>> and any number of others.<br>> I assume that the CPD can access information on the basis<br>> of the license plate, at least the residence of the owner<br>> of the car.<br>> What accounts for this disinterest?<br>> David Green<br>><br>><br>>
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