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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If you want to see the shape of things to come, take a
look at the videos from the Republican National Convention and the Pittsburgh
G-20. They shot people in the face with rubber bullets in P-burgh.
Some of the Storm Troopers at Pittsburgh were from ILAS, the paramilitary
police academy in Urbana!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Barney Fife in a Darth Vader outfit. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>More than just a pair of those expensive shiny sunglasses
they love to wear...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>"They say that it won't happen here...you know it'll
never happen here..." - Jordan Page ("Listen")</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If they can detain you without cause in Iraq and
Pittsburgh, they can do it anywhere they want...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lynn.stuckey@hotmail.com href="mailto:lynn.stuckey@hotmail.com">Lynn
Stuckey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jbw292002@gmail.com
href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com">john wasson</A> ; <A title=ewj@pigs.ag
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>
; <A title=discuss@communitycourtwatch.org
href="mailto:discuss@communitycourtwatch.org">discuss list</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:02
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Discuss] [Peace-discuss]
Non-interaction with Champaign police</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV> John W. wrote:<BR><BR>Policing has changed dramatically
over the past 50 years, and I don't think it's been for the
best.<BR> <BR>Don't know if you've ever met Doug West, a gentlemen who
used to attend a lot of the Champaign School Board meetings, but he says
something very similar. He talks often of how militarized the police (in
general, not just in Champaign) have become in his lifetime (roughly 70-some
years).<BR> <BR>If you think of how many police departments operate,
and how poorly the "wars" ('invasions" is a much better descriptor) in Iraq
and Afghanistan are going, you probably won't be surprised to see that a
large number of cops have prior military service.<BR><BR>Lynn <BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:40:27 -0500<BR>From: jbw292002@gmail.com<BR>To:
ewj@pigs.ag<BR>CC: peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net;
discuss@communitycourtwatch.org<BR>Subject: Re: [Discuss] [Peace-discuss]
Non-interaction with Champaign police<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:27 AM, E. Wayne Johnson
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</A>></SPAN>
wrote:</DIV>
<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote><BR> </DIV>
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class=ecxgmail_quote>There would not be much reason to go with a
gun.<BR><BR>Actually it is the lack of a participative social model that
precipitated the Kiwane C. thing.<BR><BR>Simply asking the kids what they
were up to could have taken care of the whole matter.<BR><BR>I think that
city-fied folk like the rush of power they get by calling the cops on
someone.<BR><BR>Sort of like the little girls who used to run for the office
to tattle every time there was a skirmish on the playground.<BR><BR>Saying
that they are afraid to intervene directly seems pretty flimsy to
me.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If we leave violence out of the equation, I quite agree. There are
certainly situations in which it's most appropriate to simply talk to one's
neighbors first. I've done that several times in my apartment building
with regard to loud music. No need to involve the cops unless the
neighbor is uncooperative or belligerent.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But it does take a modicum of courage. And in the scenario I
posited, where your neighbor's house is being burglarized by people you don't
know (and who might be presumed to be armed), you call the cops.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the case of Kiwane, I have often wondered why the two police officers
didn't simply walk up to the two boys and say, "Hey, what are you guys up
to?" Fifty years ago, and in a situation where race wasn't a factor, I
think that's what probably would have happened. Policing has changed
dramatically over the past 50 years, and I don't think it's been for the
best.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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class=ecxgmail_quote>On 7/19/2010 1:11 PM, John W. wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=h5><BR>On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM, E. Wayne Johnson
<<A href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">ewj@pigs.ag</A>>> wrote:<BR><BR>
The whole Society-by-Proxy thing rubs me the wrong
way.<BR><BR> Doesn't it occur to anyone that it's pretty damn
strange that the<BR> police power<BR> is invoked
rather than the people in the society communicating<BR> with
each other?<BR><BR> That there is this knee-jerk response to
call the cops rather than<BR> manage the problem<BR>
directly and locally is incredibly strange to me.<BR><BR>
But then again...uh... <BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>Right you are, Wayne. If we think our neighbor's house
is being broken into, we should all just run over there with our Glocks
and start blastin' away!</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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