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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>well, I really can't say that it's exactly a grudge
after 45 years but I can clearly recall the image of Bunny and Donna kiting
off at high speed for the office after seeing some boys flinging sawdust at each
other on the 10 acre playground we had at the country school at Flannigan in the
clay hills of southern IL. There arent enough kids to have a game of
solitaire there now. The old school is still standing but converted into a
home before being totally abandoned last account I had of it. I really
wasnt intending to be misogynistic or gender stereotyping but do recall
the glee with which the chance to successfully get us in trouble was
approached. The principal rounded us boys up and we were given a
treatment of several licks with a razor strap for our incontinence and lack of
fellowship.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I did call the sheriff myself a few years ago when
one of the local nutcases threatened my dad with a ball-peen hammer. One
of the neighbors had packed a pistol strapped to his leg for awhile after a
run-in with the same guy and I could see the matter escalating out of
control. My mother was worried that the guy would put down his hammer
and come back with a gun. It wasnt a situation where reason and soft
words were part of the equation, and the deputy came out and told the guy to go
home and mind his own business, which he did. My father was running a
bulldozer and constructing an anti-erosion waterway for another neighbor, which
thing the other objected to and suggested that raising knots on the
old man's head would assuage his anger somehow. Nobody was charged with
anything and peace prevailed.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fairtrademaid@gmail.com href="mailto:fairtrademaid@gmail.com">Vanessa
Moll</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ewj@pigs.ag
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag">E. Wayne Johnson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jbw292002@gmail.com
href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com">John W.</A> ; <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace Discuss</A> ; <A
title=discuss@communitycourtwatch.org
href="mailto:discuss@communitycourtwatch.org">Community Courtwatch</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:22
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Discuss] [Peace-discuss]
Non-interaction with Champaign police</DIV>
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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi
–</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There
are some themes I would like to focus in on:</SPAN></P>
<UL>
<LI><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">People
don’t trust police</SPAN>
<LI><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">People
don’t see police as valuable assets to the community, or even as part of the
community<BR></SPAN>
<LI><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">People
losing faith in the police</SPAN>
<LI><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">People
thinking that running to the police is a feminine thing to do or some kind
of skirmish thing.</SPAN></LI></UL>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Here
is why all of the above bother me. I grew up in Champaign, actually just south
of Hessel, all the way through high school. Was I in some way ingrained with
the above? Because in the last year, after being inflicted with very serious
violence, I didn’t go to the police. It was just the <I>last</I> thing I would
have done in any circumstance – why would I <I>ever</I> go to the
police?</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This
decision not to go to the police has caused a huge range of issues for me and
others.</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">People
who go to the police are brave combined with a sense that the police are part
of their community and they can trust the police to pursue justice.</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">So
what does this have to do with a reckless driver? Well, everything. Some
people encounter violence nearly every day, but (I hope that) some people only
encounter violence once in their lifetime. And those people need to be
prepared for that encounter. What prepares them is society’s attitude towards
pursuing justice. Do we let things go? Do we dole it out on the community
level? Do we believe in “the system”? Do we believe in the system enough to
use it and change it for the better?</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I
hope the very latter, because letting things go is only good for perpetuating
the status quo. Doling things out on the community level does not create
justice but rather can often silence targets in an oppressive system. I don’t
believe that the system is perfect, and I believe that racism and other isms
within the system has everything to blame for causing disbelief in the system
– but that’s precisely why I think we need to work with it.</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Finally,
I would appreciate it if people would avoid using “little girls” terminology
for disempowering youth, women, and men who are seeking justice. The usage of
systems of justice has bigger implications than our gender insecurities. Or
our grudge against the “little girl” that got us in trouble back on the
playground.</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-Vanessa</SPAN></P>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:27 AM, E. Wayne Johnson <SPAN
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target=_blank>ewj@pigs.ag</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>There would not be much reason to go with a
gun.<BR><BR>Actually it is the lack of a participative social model that
precipitated the Kiwane C. thing.<BR><BR>Simply asking the kids what they
were up to could have taken care of the whole matter.<BR><BR>I think that
city-fied folk like the rush of power they get by calling the cops on
someone.<BR><BR>Sort of like the little girls who used to run for the office
to tattle every time there was a skirmish on the playground.<BR><BR>Saying
that they are afraid to intervene directly seems pretty flimsy to
me.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On 7/19/2010 1:11 PM, John W. wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><BR>On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <<A
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" target=_blank>ewj@pigs.ag</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag" target=_blank>ewj@pigs.ag</A>>>
wrote:<BR><BR> The whole Society-by-Proxy thing rubs me the
wrong way.<BR><BR> Doesn't it occur to anyone that it's pretty
damn strange that the<BR> police power<BR> is
invoked rather than the people in the society communicating<BR>
with each other?<BR><BR> That there is this knee-jerk
response to call the cops rather than<BR> manage the
problem<BR> directly and locally is incredibly strange to
me.<BR><BR> But then again...uh... <BR>Right you are, Wayne.
If we think our neighbor's house is being broken into, we should all
just run over there with our Glocks and start blastin' away!<BR><BR>
On 7/19/2010 12:29 PM, Marti Wilkinson wrote:<BR><BR>
Al Johnston (hubby of Julia Rietz) lost a fully loaded
gun<BR> driving out of Cherry Hills, and they
still haven't found it<BR> yet. The News-Gazette
sat on the story until after Julia got<BR>
re-elected. I wouldn't be surprised if that gun is found
at<BR> the scene of a crime.<BR><BR>
Champaign cops often run on a 'see no evil; hear no
evil' type<BR> of protocol. So I wouldn't be
surprised if a bad driver got<BR> away with
mischief in Cherry Hills. However, if this became a<BR>
daily practice and enough people got pissed off then
the<BR> police would act. If what happened in
Hessel Park was an<BR> isolated one-time
occurrence I wouldn't expect much to be done.<BR><BR>
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:48 AM, David Green<BR>
<<A href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>><BR></DIV></DIV>
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target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>>>>
<DIV><BR> wrote:<BR><BR>
I understand what you're saying, of course, about
general<BR> differential policing. But
people in Cherry Hills would<BR>
certainly<BR> expect a quick
response from such a report, even if it was a<BR>
resident who was the offending party, and would be up
in<BR> arms if<BR>
they were treated dismissively, especially with license
plate<BR> information. It's just not
analogous to a kid in CH being<BR>
caught<BR> with some
weed.<BR><BR>
------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
*From:* Marti Wilkinson <<A
href="mailto:martiwilki@gmail.com"
target=_blank>martiwilki@gmail.com</A><BR>
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target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A><BR>
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target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>><BR></DIV>
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*Sent:* Sat, July 17, 2010 9:02:38
PM<BR><BR> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss]
Non-interaction with Champaign police<BR><BR>
I'm saying that "better" neighborhoods are not as policed
as<BR> aggressively. I grew up in
Holiday Park (same neighborhood<BR> as
the<BR> mayor) and now live in Garden
Hills, and there is a real<BR>
difference between how the areas are policed. You brought<BR>
up the<BR> situation with
Kiwane Carrington - if this had been a couple of<BR>
white kids in Cherry Hills - I doubt that the cops
would<BR> have run<BR>
in with their guns out. Look at the difference in how a
Cherry<BR> Hills doctor, who stabbed her
two sons killing one, and a black<BR>
janitor in Garden Hills was handled. In the latter case the guy<BR>
was suicidal and the city sent the SWAT team
after him.<BR><BR> If a white kid
attending the University of Illinois is<BR>
caught with<BR> a bag of weed, he
will probably face a misdemeanor charge. If a<BR>
black kid north of University Avenue gets caught with the
same<BR> amount, it may well turn into a
felony. Hence, if you want<BR> to be a<BR>
'lunatic driver" you are more likely to get
away with it around<BR> Hessel Park than
Douglass Park. An officer is more likely<BR>
going to<BR> be a witness in areas
north of University Ave to lunatic<BR>
drivers,<BR> which increases the
likelihood of being apprehended.<BR><BR>
As both Laurie and John pointed out there may be some<BR>
procedural<BR> aspects to
this as well. What I suggest is contacting the<BR>
members<BR> of the city council
and sharing your story and concerns<BR> with
them.<BR> Then see what they have to say
about this.<BR><BR> Marti<BR><BR>
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David
Green<BR> <<A
href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>><BR></DIV></DIV>
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target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>>>>
<DIV><BR> wrote:<BR><BR>
Are you saying that people in "better"
neighborhoods don't<BR>
want to be protected from lunatic drivers?<BR><BR>
------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
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target=_blank>martiwilki@gmail.com</A><BR>
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*Sent:* Fri, July 16, 2010
10:40:28 PM<BR> *Subject:*
Re: [Discuss] Non-interaction with Champaign<BR>
police<BR><BR> "What
accounts for this disinterest?"<BR><BR>
In the language of real estate - "Location,
Location,<BR> Location".
If this had been north of University Ave the<BR>
local<BR> cops would
have been on this in a heartbeat.<BR><BR>
I suggest you contact the Champaign City Council
and<BR> ask them<BR>
that question. Since they refused to have a civilian
review<BR> board, and have
appointed themselves as overseers on the<BR>
community, they would be the perfect people to ask.
Or<BR> write a<BR>
letter to the News-Gazette and share your concerns
over<BR> what<BR>
happened.<BR><BR>
This reminds me that I once received an anonymous
email<BR> from<BR>
someone a couple of years ago. This person lived in
Cherry<BR> Hills and
wanted to file a noise complaint against a loud<BR>
party, tried to call the cops and no one
responded. It's no<BR>
secret that both Julia Rietz and her hubby live in that<BR>
area.<BR>
Chief Finney lives in another McMansion subdivision<BR>
close by.<BR><BR>
Marti<BR><BR><BR><BR>
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:56 PM, David Green<BR>
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<DIV><BR> wrote:<BR><BR>
This past Sunday, sometime
between 6:00 and 6:30 in the<BR>
evening, I was walking around the paved track at
Hessel<BR>
Park. As I approached the entrance to the park (north<BR>
side, Elm St.), I
witnessed a white Mustang convertible<BR>
with a young, white, male driver
(along), speeding<BR> along<BR>
Grandview, the street the
semi-circles the park<BR> from Kirby<BR>
to Elm to Kirby.
He was travelling east towards Elm<BR> at
at<BR> least
60 mph. Again, this was on a nice evening<BR>
with much<BR>
activity at the park. His car spun out of control<BR>
and he<BR>
careened off of Grandview into a front yard,
coming<BR> to a<BR>
halt. He drove back out over the short
embankment<BR> (there<BR>
are no sidewalks on Grandview),
out back onto<BR> Grandview,<BR>
and turned left, going
North up Elm St. towards Hessel<BR>
Ave. He continued surpassing the speed limit.
He<BR> did stop<BR>
at the stop sign at the corner of
Hessel and Elm.<BR>
I caught his license plate, easier because it was<BR>
personalized: STANGO 1.
As I continued walking<BR> around the<BR>
park, I noticed a
gentlemen on his cell phone. I<BR>
assumed<BR>
he was calling the police, which was correct. I<BR>
told him<BR>
the license plate. Shortly after, there was another
man<BR>
calling police, and I also told him the license plate.<BR>
Later in the evening, I
called the CPD--the public<BR> number,<BR>
not 911. I
informed the male answering the phone<BR> about
my<BR>
experience, assuming he had already heard from the<BR>
others.<BR>
I offered myself as a witness. He wasn't particularly<BR>
interested. He
told me that there had been no<BR> officers
in<BR> the
area at the time of the incident, and gave me the<BR>
impression that the case was
closed, unless other<BR> officers<BR>
came across this
driver during the evening.<BR>
I am no making moralistic judgments about
this<BR> young man<BR>
driving the car. I have no idea
what circumstances may<BR>
have prompted this behavior. Nevertheless, a car<BR>
travelling at that
speed and going out of control is<BR>
clearly life-threatening. If there had been
someone in<BR>
that front yard, they could have been killed.<BR>
I am quite sure that
STANGO 1 is a greater threat to<BR>
public safety than Kiwane, the young man at
Douglas<BR> Park,<BR>
and any number of others.<BR>
I assume that the
CPD can access information on the<BR>
basis<BR>
of the license plate, at least the residence of the<BR>
owner<BR>
of the car.<BR>
What accounts for this disinterest?<BR>
David
Green<BR><BR></DIV></DIV>
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