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<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That's quite good, sir. Rejoinder to that
rejoinder seems thin although necessitated.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Maybe they should change the name to
Audacia.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>"I act a bit?".</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dr. King was fond of quoting:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>auferens bella usque ad finem terrae arcum conteret
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>et confringet arma et scuta conburet in
igne</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>vacate et videte quoniam ego sum Deus </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>exaltabor in gentibus exaltabor in terra</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>*</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The war on terra. We may be bozos on this bus,
but the gentibus has a different populace.</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>From: "C. G. Estabrook" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>galliher@illinois.edu</FONT></A><FONT size=2
face=Arial>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>To: "E.Wayne Johnson" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ewj@pigs.ag"><FONT size=2 face=Arial>ewj@pigs.ag</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Cc: "peace discuss" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</FONT></A><FONT size=2
face=Arial>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:43 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Quo usque tandem
abutere, America, patientia nostra?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2
face=Arial>> How long, America, will you abuse our
patience?<BR>> How long will your madness continue to
frustrate us?<BR>> When is there to be an end to your
violent "Audacity of Hope"?<BR>> --after Cicero...<BR>>
<BR>> On 7/22/10 3:29 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:<BR>>> Quam diu etiam
furor iste tuus nos eludet? quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit<BR>>>
"AUDACIA SPEI"?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On 7/22/10 2:17 PM, E.Wayne
Johnson wrote:<BR>>>> Glenn Greenwald:<BR>>>><BR>>>>
That's really the only relevant question: how much longer will Americans
sit<BR>>>> by passively and watch as a tiny elite become more bloated,
more powerful,<BR>>>> greedier, more corrupt and more unaccountable --
as the little economic<BR>>>> security, privacy and freedom most
citizens possess vanish further still? How<BR>>>> long can this be
sustained, where more and more money is poured into Endless<BR>>>> War,
a military that almost spends more than the rest of the world
combined<BR>>>> <</FONT><A
href="http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/26/defense"><FONT
size=2
face=Arial>http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/26/defense</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>>,<BR>>>> where close to 50% of all U.S. tax
revenue goes to military and intelligence<BR>>>>
spending<BR>>>> <</FONT><A
href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/S17GGwQ1TrI/AAAAAAAACSY/X2bs4rpZpWU/s1600-h/spending.png"><FONT
size=2
face=Arial>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/S17GGwQ1TrI/AAAAAAAACSY/X2bs4rpZpWU/s1600-h/spending.png</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>>,<BR>>>><BR>>>> where the rich-poor gap
grows seemingly without end<BR>>>> <</FONT><A
href="http://obrag.org/?p=1758"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>http://obrag.org/?p=1758</FONT></A><FONT size=2 face=Arial>>, and
the very people who virtually destroyed the<BR>>>> world economy wallow
in greater rewards than ever<BR>>>> <</FONT><A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/18/business/18wall.html"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/18/business/18wall.html</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>>, all while the<BR>>>> public infrastructure
(both figuratively<BR>>>> <</FONT><A
href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61K2I520100221"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61K2I520100221</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>> and literally<BR>>>> <</FONT><A
href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/going-backwards-say-good-bye-to.html"><FONT
size=2
face=Arial>http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/going-backwards-say-good-bye-to.html</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>>)<BR>>>> crumbles and the ruling class is openly
collaborating on a bipartisan,<BR>>>> public-private basis even to
*cut* *Social Security benefits*?<BR>>>><BR>>>> * * * *
*<BR>>>><BR>>>> The answer, unfortunately, is probably this: a
lot longer. And one primary<BR>>>> reason is that our media-shaped
political discourse is so alternatively<BR>>>> distracted and distorted
that even shining light on all of this matters<BR>>>> little. /The New
York Times/' Peter Baker had a good article<BR>>>> <</FONT><A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/weekinreview/18baker.html?partner=rss&emc=rss"><FONT
size=2
face=Arial>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/weekinreview/18baker.html?partner=rss&emc=rss</FONT></A><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>><BR>>>> this weekend on how totally
inconsequential squabbles dominate the news more<BR>>>> or less
continuously: last week's riveting drama was the bickering
between<BR>>>> the White House and Nancy Pelosi over Robert Gibbs'
warning that Democratic<BR>>>> control of the House was endangered.
Baker quotes Democratic strategist Chris<BR>>>> Lehane as follows:
"Politics in D.C. have become Seinfeldesque. *Fights about<BR>>>>
nothing*."<BR>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/07/19/secrecy/index.html"><FONT
size=2
face=Arial>http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/07/19/secrecy/index.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
size=2 face=Arial>>>
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