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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Some local Democrat voters are unhappy with TJ's
opposition to the war.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I personally think that TJ is too old and tired to
fake it at this late stage of the game and </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>that his recent voting record seems to speak for
itself and may indeed represent a </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>change from previously held views. Actually
there is nothing wrong with that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>"We'd all love to change your head."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The upshot is that the war is not an issue in this
election if we</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>are to believe you. Don't be offended by
that. I think it was</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Mort who suggested that statements by candidates
lack credibility while </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>they are pursuing office. Let's assume your
complete sincerity for the moment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That should be reasonable enough.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Can you tell us how you feel about the bailouts,
the massive incarceration of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>American citizens, the trashing of constitutional
rights, the unconstitutionality </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>of the current endless war, spying on American
citizens, regulation of the internet,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>transparency in government, limitations on public
debate, ballot access, opinion shaping by the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>mainstream media, root problems with the local
and national economy, and monetary policy?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That's lots of stuff in one question but you can
address each one in sequence.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=davidgill2010@yahoo.com href="mailto:davidgill2010@yahoo.com">David
Gill</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=galliher@illinois.edu
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">C. G. Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=mkbrussel@comcast.net
href="mailto:mkbrussel@comcast.net">Brussel Morton K.</A> ; <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</A> ; <A
title=slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu">Stuart Levy</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] House Votes
Today on Afghan, Pakistan Wars</DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">As
I indicated, Carl, your recall is indeed poor...but perhaps it's not your
memory that's at</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> fault--
perhaps you simply want to diminish enthusiasm for Gill 2010 with your
distortions/falsehoods?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Your
blithe dismissal of my previous campaigns was off by a sizable and important
amount... </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I
received 42.5% last time, i.e., was defeated 4-3. You needn't depend on
your fuzzy memory,</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> though--
facts such as these are readily accessible.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Yes,
Carl, you can interpret my remark as the equivalent of Tim's
pledge to vote against funding</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> for
war in the Middle East (with the withdrawal
proviso)? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I
disagree with your assertion that "that is quite a change for you"-- my entire
life has been</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> dedicated
to improving and preserving the lives of my fellow men and women.... I find
your</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> pigeon-holing
of me as an associate of Bush or Obama to be far from the truth and terribly
simplistic.</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">
How interesting, too, that the man who feels that we need not "plumb the
souls" of candidates, now</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> asks
me of my "change of mind"?? Suffice it to say that unlike my opponent,
whose votes have</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> resulted
in the deaths of millions, I am not engaged in simple political
opportunism. And that when</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> the
next war is supported by 80% of the voters of IL-15, I won't be raising my
fist and joining in the</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> mass
insanity, as my opponent has done in the past and will do in the
future.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">David
Gill<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> C. G. Estabrook
<galliher@illinois.edu><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> David Gill
<davidgill2010@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Stuart Levy
<slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu>; Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel@comcast.net>;
david@gill2010.com; Peace-discuss List
<peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, July 28, 2010 3:58:59
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Peace-discuss] House Votes Today on Afghan, Pakistan Wars<BR></FONT><BR>Come
on, David: Obama dangled that "withdraw the vast majority of our troops"
<BR>(just as soon as the job is done) before the voters in the last
election.<BR><BR>Your vote in your previous outings has been between 30-40%
each time, as I <BR>recall. Something near to 33.3% of the vote means
that you got one vote for <BR>every two that went elsewhere. But maybe
it was closer to 3-2. Good for you.<BR><BR>I'm interested to read your
admission that you've "come to the conclusion that <BR>even leaving a few
thousand troops in Afghanistan/Pakistan is unwise" - that is <BR>quite a
change for you - but I'd like to hear more about your change of mind. <BR>Have
you decided that killing people in the Mideast is criminal, or just that
<BR>it's not working very well (in the light of the Wikileaks
documents)?<BR><BR>And it's good to hear that you would "support no AfPak
military funding other <BR>than that necessary to bring all of our troops home
now." But what about Iraq? <BR>Somalia? Yemen? Can we interpret
your remark as the equivalent of Tim's pledge <BR>to vote against funding for
war in the Middle East (with the withdrawal <BR>proviso)? He is as you
know voting that way.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>
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