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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span> wrote:</div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> ... gentle nurse, <br>I pray thee, leave me to myself to-night, <br>For I have need of many <span>orisons</span> <br>To move the heavens to smile upon my state, <br>Which, well thou know'st, is cross, and full of sin. <br>
<br>Use every man after his desert, and who should <span>scape</span> <span>whipping</span>? <br>Use them after your own honour and dignity. <br>The less they deserve, the more merit is in your bounty. <br>Take them in. <br>
<br>David is in fact engaged in a godly enterprise - getting things right, <br>rather than acquiescing in an imperial mythology that promotes <br>the murder of innocents today. That surely is sin. </div></blockquote>
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<div>The latter, or the former? *smile* Yes, the murder of innocents surely is sin. Is that what Hitler....errr, I mean Churchill was engaged in? And FDR? And Abraham Lincoln? And all the other luminaries whom you gentlemen despise?</div>
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<div class="h5">On 8/16/10 11:11 AM, John W. wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">I hope G*d is more merciful in His assessment of the two of you than you are in your assessment of virtually every human being on earth, living and dead. Meanwhile, though, it must be glorious to possess such Olympian wisdom derived from books.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:04 AM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><br><br>On 8/16/10 10:42 AM, David Green wrote:<br>
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<br>I don't think that there is as much irony or mystery about WC as Greenwald and<br>NYT reviewer Hari make out to be. Hari refers disparigingly to Nicholson Baker's<br>"Human Smoke," which I think gets WC about right. He was a monster. There is no<br>
more reason to revere Churchill for "defeating" Hitler than there is to revere<br>Stalin, who in fact really did defeat him. I was not surprised by the NYT<br>review, only a little surprised by Hari, and somewhat more surprised by<br>
Greenwald's take.<br><br>DG</blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><br>