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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Here, I guess we differ. I do not think is as
clear cut and easy a matter as brainwashing. The mere fact that they are
so easily brainwashed, so unquestioningly dogmatic and uncritical, and so
inclined to come to the defense of the corporate ideology even when it is
clearly against their immediate interests suggests to me that enlightenment of
them would just be another form of brainwashing with a revised
dogma.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jbw292002@gmail.com
href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com">John W.</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:28 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ls1000@live.com href="mailto:ls1000@live.com">Laurie
Solomon</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu
href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu">Stuart Levy</A> ; <A
title=bill.strutz@gmail.com href="mailto:bill.strutz@gmail.com">Bill Strutz</A>
; <A title=peace-discuss@anti-war.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</A> ; <A
title=davegreen48@yahoo.com
href="mailto:davegreen48@yahoo.com">davegreen48@yahoo.com</A> ; <A
title=galliher@uiuc.edu href="mailto:galliher@uiuc.edu">Carl Estabrook AWARE</A>
; <A title=rbkutz@gmail.com href="mailto:rbkutz@gmail.com">rbkutz@gmail.com</A>
; <A title=r-szoke@illinois.edu href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu">Ron Szoke</A>
; <A title=mc-wetzel@hotmail.com
href="mailto:mc-wetzel@hotmail.com">MartyneConrad Wetzel</A> ; <A
title=dharley@illinois.edu
href="mailto:dharley@illinois.edu">dharley@illinois.edu</A> ; <A
title=jencart7@yahoo.com href="mailto:jencart7@yahoo.com">Jenifer Cartwright</A>
; <A title=kmedina67@gmail.com href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com">Karen
Medina</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Corn Festival -- RE: Sweet Corn Fest
Fri & Sat!</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Laurie Solomon <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:ls1000@live.com">ls1000@live.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>Why do people feel that they can successfully argue with
mental midgets?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Primarily because Carl has apparently experienced resounding success in
that endeavor. ;-) </DIV>
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<DIV>These folks are not really mental midgets, though, Laurie. They're
actually quite enlightened. They're just brainwashed by the corporate
media. They'd see right through the spin if only they were properly
instructed. ;-)</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"Stuart Levy" <<A href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu"
target=_blank>slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010
5:54 PM<BR>To: "Bill Strutz" <<A href="mailto:bill.strutz@gmail.com"
target=_blank>bill.strutz@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A
href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net"
target=_blank>peace-discuss@anti-war.net</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:davegreen48@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>davegreen48@yahoo.com</A>>; "Carl Estabrook AWARE" <<A
href="mailto:galliher@uiuc.edu" target=_blank>galliher@uiuc.edu</A>>;
"Stuart Levy AWARE" <<A href="mailto:slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu"
target=_blank>slevy@ncsa.uiuc.edu</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:rbkutz@gmail.com" target=_blank>rbkutz@gmail.com</A>>; "Ron
Szoke" <<A href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu"
target=_blank>r-szoke@illinois.edu</A>>; "MartyneConrad Wetzel" <<A
href="mailto:mc-wetzel@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mc-wetzel@hotmail.com</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:dharley@illinois.edu" target=_blank>dharley@illinois.edu</A>>;
"Jenifer Cartwright" <<A href="mailto:jencart7@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>jencart7@yahoo.com</A>>; "Karen Medina" <<A
href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kmedina67@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Corn
Festival -- RE: Sweet Corn Fest Fri & Sat!<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:09:09PM -0500, Bill Strutz
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>S'allright. It's good to know what happened,
though.<BR>The 5-7 shift was fairly quiet. It was in the 7-9 shift
that Stuart had to<BR>handle some argumentive people. I think that
beer may have been a factor..<BR>-- Bill<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>[oops, thought
i'd sent this before -- that's why you hadn't seen it, Carl!]<BR><BR>The
ones I talked with [one or maybe two Iraq vets, and the wife of
another]<BR>didn't seem to be drunk. Just committed to the good
effects of war.<BR>We're doing more good in Iraq than harm, you know.
Building schools,<BR>improving literacy, and fighting them over there
so we don't have to<BR>fight them here -- the whole line. And in their
eyes, Bradley Manning<BR>is guilty, guilty, guilty (not just 'accused'), and
no hero.<BR><BR><BR><BR>The only really frightening encounter of the evening
came later.<BR>Jenifer and I talked with a man (not apparently drunk) who
came by with<BR>his young son. He approved of bringing the troops
home. Said we should<BR>rid ourselves of the whole problem of the
Middle East by nuking it,<BR>just like we did Japan (Japanese were proud
people, they'd never surrender).<BR>Nuking the Middle East would save lots
of American lives. We know<BR>those people are dangerous -- just
remember 9/11.<BR>He appeared to be serious. Jenifer offered a
counterargument:<BR>if some Timothy-McVeigh-like American went to Mexico
and<BR>bombed something there, would he consider that the Mexicans<BR>would
be right to bomb the US? It made no dent. America is
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