<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">So what do you disagree with in Dawkins' reply? Arguments would be more useful than sneers. Perhaps you should read his book(s) and doff your parochial hat.. <div><br></div><div>His remarks were both apt and appreciated. <div><br></div><div>--mkb</div><div><br><div>Thanks, Jenifer, for relaying these remarks. </div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 19, 2010, at 9:44 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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If anyone took Dawkins seriously before this, I doubt they will now.<br>
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For those who are still abject believers, I recommend Terry
Eagleton, "Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God
Debate" (Yale UP pbk, 2010).<br>
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If I thought anyone took Ditchkins seriously, I'd propose a
symposium or panel on the subject. I doubt I'd find many takers.<br>
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Actually, I'd be willing to host it on my UPTV program, News from
Neptune. <br>
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But I don't think anyone's interested enough for that. <br>
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On 9/19/10 9:31 PM, E.Wayne Johnson wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Most importantly, the Nazis were
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">That fact explains the lion's
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--- On <b>Sun, 9/19/10, fransears<i>></i></b>
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Posted in Liberaland by Alan • September 17, 2010,<br>
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Pope Benedict’s speech to Queen Elizabeth in
England praised how<br>
Britain fought “Nazi tyranny that wished to
eradicate God from<br>
society,” prompting one of the world’s best known
atheists, Richard<br>
Dawkins, to proclaim it “a despicable outrage.”
What set off Dawkins<br>
is this paragraph:<br>
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“Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how
Britain and her leaders<br>
stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to
eradicate God from society<br>
and denied our common humanity to many, especially
the Jews, who were<br>
thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s
attitude to<br>
Christian pastors and religious who spoke the
truth in love, opposed<br>
the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their
lives. As we reflect<br>
on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism
of the twentieth<br>
century, let us never forget how the exclusion of
God, religion and<br>
virtue from public life leads ultimately to a
truncated vision of man<br>
and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of
the person and his<br>
destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).”<br>
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Dawkins responds:<br>
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Even if Hitler had been an atheist, his political
philosophy was not<br>
based upon atheism and had no connection with
atheism. Hitler was<br>
arguably (and by his own account) a Roman
Catholic. In any case he<br>
enjoyed the open support of many of the most
senior catholic clergy in<br>
Germany and the less demonstrative support of Pope
Pius XII. Even if<br>
Hitler had been an atheist (he certainly was not),
the rank and file<br>
Germans who carried out the attempted
extermination of the Jews were<br>
Christians, almost to a man: either Catholic or
Lutheran, primed to<br>
their anti-Semitism by centuries of Catholic
propaganda about<br>
‘Christ-killers’ and by Martin Luther’s own
seething hatred of the<br>
Jews. To mention Ratzinger’s membership of the
Hitler Youth might be<br>
thought to be fighting dirty, but my feeling is
that the gloves are<br>
off after this disgraceful paragraph by the pope.<br>
<br>
Dawkins is urging a letter-writing campaign to
British media in protest, adding:<br>
<br>
I am incandescent with rage at the sycophantic BBC
coverage, and the<br>
sight of British toadies bowing and scraping to
this odious man. I<br>
thought he was bad before. This puts the lid on
it.<br>
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